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---Logopened Fri Jun 18 00:00:31 2010
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02:14-!-peter1138 changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.0.1, 1.0.2-RC1 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask
02:33<Terkhen>good morning
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03:05<andythenorth>FIRS -> r962 :)
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03:17<planetmaker>moin
03:17<planetmaker>I'd like to ask: are there means to obtain the build date of a depot?
03:17<planetmaker>I haven't found one, but I might just be blind and ignorant
03:18<planetmaker>changing depot graphics as a function of the current date is not so much fun as as a function of its build date ;-)
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04:43<SmatZ>planetmaker: afaik, the build date is not stored anywhere
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04:44<planetmaker>I feared as much - and opened a feature request ;-)
04:45<planetmaker>it's somewhat funny, if the building switches colour and shape on 1.1.1966 :-P
04:45<SmatZ>:)
04:48<TrueBrain>@whoami
04:48<TrueBrain>DorpsGek: what is wrong with you?
04:48<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: TrueBrain
04:48<TrueBrain>damn you slow bastard
04:50<@peter1138>true true truebrain
04:55*andythenorth ponders another 37 FIRS commits for 1k
04:55*andythenorth has real work to do
04:56<@peter1138>hmm
04:56<VVG>what's a real work compared to 1k commits?
04:56<VVG>err, hi
04:57<planetmaker>go, andythenorth, go! :-)
04:59<theholyduck>andythenorth, either your commits each have very little stuff in them, or you work like a nutter
04:59<theholyduck>x264, the worlds leading h264 encoder has 1700 commits or so
04:59<theholyduck>over something like 4 years
04:59<theholyduck>hmm, more like 6 actually
05:01<VVG>i don't get FIRS - mines' production seems to only drop overtime, if i don't use eng supplies. Or is this actually intented behavior?
05:06<TrueBrain>Yexo: where did we say we would meet again?
05:06<TrueBrain>Utrecht, but forgot where :D
05:16<andythenorth>VVG: I can't remember the code, but yes I think it currently randomly drops over time
05:16<andythenorth>there won't be many parameters for FIRS, but there will (one day) be a parameter to control industry production / closing
05:24<VVG>somewhere in FIRS forum thread i read it backs to default production change rountine, if eng supplies aren't present
05:25<andythenorth>VVG: I can't remember if that is current code
05:29<VVG>such behavior was quite unexpected for me, after default and ECSv industries. I went through about 20 last pages of FIRS development thread to see any indication of how production changes, and the only one i found is the one that it switches to default routine if eng supplies aren't present. thanks for clarifying it now
05:34<__ln__>11:48 < TrueBrain> DorpsGek: what is wrong with you? 11:48 <@DorpsGek> TrueBrain: TrueBrain <-- DorpsGek's being honest?
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05:39*__ln__ @ Turku airport
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05:46<andythenorth>VVG: I just read the code, it works as follows:
05:46<andythenorth>ENSP delivered: random chance of increase
05:47<andythenorth>no ENSP delivered. Case 1: current production is high. High chance of production increase
05:47<andythenorth>oops. High chance of production *decrease*
05:48<andythenorth>Case 2: current production is low. Low chance of production decrease
05:48<andythenorth>Case 3: production is at closure threshold. Tiny chance of closure.
05:49<andythenorth>actual values for high / low production vary by industry
05:49<andythenorth>that's the code in current nightly, think it was present in 0.1
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05:53<VVG>That makes things even more clear. Very helpful, thnks. It will make an excelent piece of info in first post of FIRS thread and readm. 0.1 readyme i have says closure is disabled, which seems now outdated.
05:53<andythenorth>I can't remember when I made the change :)
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05:56<VVG>Do i understand right that this check for supplies pefrormed evry month and approriated cases of action performed also evry month?
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06:19<andythenorth>VVG: yes, production change runs at the start of each month (if I remember correctly)
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07:09<VVG>How do i easily past someone's nickname into typing field in mirc?
07:10<Markk>Paste?
07:10<Markk>Or auto complete?
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07:11<VVG>insert :)
07:11<planetmaker>VVG, probably type the initial characters and press tab
07:11<VVG>to it looks like "Markk: insert :)"
07:11<VVG>whoa
07:11<VVG>nice, thanks
07:11<Markk>:)
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07:13<VVG>andythenorth: do you have any limit for how many eng supplies get used per month at primaries planned?
07:15<VVG>I'm trying now local transfer stations for frequent supplying primaries with engsupplies, but that means i do that in low quantities. i wonder if that is a design feature
07:15<planetmaker>VVG, 1 supply per month is sufficient for the effect to take place
07:16<andythenorth>it's a design feature
07:16<planetmaker>and a good one!
07:16<andythenorth>it mimics the town growth behaviour of default TTD
07:17*andythenorth suspects the question will keep getting asked for the next n years though :P
07:17<planetmaker>andythenorth, FAQ / readme :-P
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08:00<VVG>andythenorth: does amount of supplies avaible have any effect on chance of increase and/or actual production increase?
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08:08<andythenorth>VVG: no
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08:21<Yexo>TrueBrain: at the stadium, right?
08:21<TrueBrain>ah, yes
08:21<TrueBrain>tnx :)
08:21<Yexo>I still have to figure out which bus to take there
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08:23<Yexo>TrueBrain: do you have a "pomp voor een luchtbed"?
08:24<+glx>mouth works well for that ;)
08:24<Yexo>yes, but that's a lot of work :p
08:24<TrueBrain>Yexo: nope ...
08:24<TrueBrain>can ask for one here ...
08:24<TrueBrain>need something myself too :p
08:24<+glx>12V compressor is better :)
08:25<Yexo>planetmaker: do you have one?
08:25<Yexo>a pump for an air mattress?
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08:35<__ln__>greetings from Bjarniland's airport
08:42<ccfreak2k>Yexo, could also be a tire pump.
08:44<ccfreak2k>Although I guess "luchtbed" doesn't match.
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09:03<@Belugas>hi hi
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09:14*frosch123 heads for train :)
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09:17<Zuu>me is on a train
09:17<Zuu>And will have about 20 hour of going on train this weekend :-)
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09:18<Zuu>And a 60 pages long report to review.
09:20*andythenorth hopes for some nice code this weekend :)
09:20*andythenorth will contribute some FIRS in return
09:20<Zuu>how is your commit script going? :-)
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09:22*andythenorth waves two fingers at Zuu
09:22<andythenorth>go read the diffs :P
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09:22<Zuu>ottd or firs?
09:23<andythenorth>FIRS
09:23<Zuu>hmm, google intreprete "firs" as first :-(
09:24<Zuu>is there a website where the firs svn log can be seen?
09:25<andythenorth>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository
09:25<Zuu>Thanks, btw, have you yet added firs to grf-crawler?
09:27<andythenorth>can't remember
09:27<andythenorth>it's on Bananas
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09:27<Zuu>I see many "Change: provide cb28 spacing of distances for ..." with about a second between each commit. However you did stop quite far from r1000
09:28<andythenorth>Zuu: I've got to think of another 37 easy changes :P
09:28<andythenorth>each of those commits is valid
09:28<Zuu>:-)
09:28<andythenorth>Each is a significant change to an industry. And each one has to be tested before commit.
09:29<andythenorth>They are 1s apart because I pushed them all at once :)
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09:41<Eddi|zuHause>hm... the 32bpp extra zoom graphics heavily increase the toy railway factor...
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09:52<planetmaker>Is there a way for a rail tile to query whether it's part of a station or depot?
09:52<planetmaker>afaik they 'just' get the normal track - and then the station or depot drawn on top of it.
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09:54<Yexo>if it's about snow on the tracks in the depot the querying the tile type won't help you for stations
09:54<Yexo>some stations are "open" and some have a roof
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09:59<planetmaker>true. But that's exactly what it's about
10:00<Yexo>for depots you can solve it in another way, right?
10:01<planetmaker>I can draw the depots with the tracks included
10:01<planetmaker>effectively over-painting the drawn tracks
10:01<planetmaker>stations is another issue... they're independent sets
10:02<Yexo>station tiles would need a bit to indicate whether they have a roof or not
10:02<planetmaker>yes
10:02<Yexo>then rail tiles could query "roof or not", which would return true for depots
10:03<planetmaker>feature request ;-)
10:03<planetmaker>so many there are
10:03<planetmaker>btw, other construction site: did you see my NML report?
10:03<Yexo>yes
10:03<Yexo>param in switch range <- that one, right?
10:04<planetmaker>yes
10:04<planetmaker>is it me or NML?
10:04<Yexo>I'll try and fix that now
10:04<planetmaker>ok :-)
10:04<planetmaker>the apples are already bought ;-)
10:05<Yexo>do you have a pump for an air mattress?
10:05<Zuu_>Hmm, that would be usefull, I've put mine into my bag, but I've not left Sweden yet. :-)
10:06<Eddi|zuHause>i have never left sweden in my whole life :p
10:07<Zuu_>I'll bring mine unless I'm told pm has one of the right type.
10:08<fjb>Hm, signals on bridgeheads would be a nice feature in my actual game.
10:09<Zuu_>Eddi: ^^
10:10<planetmaker>Yexo: I don't
10:10<Zuu_>Mine is about 8-10 mm I think.
10:13<planetmaker>hm.... not much room in my fridge anymore ;-)
10:13<Zuu_>hehe
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10:13<Zuu_>That we'll solve tomorrow :-)
10:13<planetmaker>I hope so!
10:14<Yexo>what about breakfast sunday morning? bringing some bread etc. isn't a problem as long as I know what to bring
10:14<planetmaker>the weather forecast is not of the nice kind really :-(
10:15<planetmaker>Yexo: I have a bit of cheese and marmelades
10:15<planetmaker>I thought we get rolls from the bakery on Sunday
10:15<Yexo>ok, good idea
10:16<planetmaker>I don't have Smutjes, though ;-)
10:16<planetmaker>nor Vla
10:18<Zuu_>heh, saturday is rather okay, only "chance for showers" in the afternoon, but on suday it is "slight chance for thunderstorm" :-p
10:19<Zuu_>sunday*
10:19<Eddi|zuHause>we should have done it today :)
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10:19<planetmaker>well. Doesn't really make a difference
10:19<planetmaker>yeah, today is fine weather... sort of
10:19<planetmaker>yesterday!
10:20<Zuu_>Hmm, i'm soon getting of this train. See you tomorrow!
10:20<planetmaker>well. I've two tents.
10:20<planetmaker>See you, Zuu!
10:20<planetmaker>Have a safe travel
10:20<Zuu_>thanks. I've even made a hand-written map over your area :-)
10:21<planetmaker>he. I thought everyone used google maps and just a print-out of it.
10:22<Zuu_>Well, no printer on the train :-p and it would be to expansive to go online to google maps arbroad. :-(
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10:22<planetmaker>oh, yes :-)
10:22<Zuu_>Unfortutately my flatrate only works within sweden.
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10:22<planetmaker>well... I'd have assumed you got that at home :-P
10:22<Zuu_>I got a printer at one of my homes but didn't remember to do that.
10:23<Zuu_>:-)
10:23<Zuu_>bye
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10:44<@Belugas>hooo.... Zuu is a rich man....
10:44<@Belugas>ONE of my HOMES
10:50<zachanim1>planetmaker!
10:50<planetmaker>?
10:52<@Belugas>planetmaker!!
10:52*planetmaker wonders wether...
10:52<planetmaker>...the first random highlight had more sense than just being annoying
10:52<planetmaker>hello Belugas :-)
10:53<@Belugas>hehehe
10:53<@Belugas>hello sir :)
10:53<planetmaker>I still have one spot reserved :)
11:00<zachanim1>planetmaker, not really
11:00<zachanim1>was it annoying? T_T
11:02<planetmaker>irritating
11:02<planetmaker>I usually assume someone wants to talk to me then for... some reason ;-)
11:05<@Belugas>or at least wave at you, when they are people you know :)
11:06<zachanim1>well
11:07<zachanim1>I just wanted to say teh_hi
11:10<@Belugas>hi zachanim1
11:11<planetmaker>hi hi :-)
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11:13<zachanima>hi Belugas
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11:33<@Belugas>planetmaker, you should be honnored ;) he hailed you above all the other guys in here ;)
11:33<@Belugas>hello Lakie
11:33<Lakie>Hi Belugas
11:33<planetmaker>:-) true dat
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13:12<Wolf01>hi
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13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r19994 /trunk/src/lang/ (slovak.txt unfinished/irish.txt):
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: irish - 108 changes by tem
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: slovak - 17 changes by keso53
13:50<SirSquidness>oh man, so close
13:50*SirSquidness bounces around a bit :D
13:51<GVV>andythenorth: is 936 savegame compatible with 913 version?
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14:00<planetmaker>SirSquidness: tomorrow ;-)
14:01<__ln__>_o/
14:10<@Belugas>unless i commit a typo which will end up in about 4 other commits to fix the typo fix since i don't compile...
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14:12<@Belugas>nice.. very nice...
14:12<@Belugas>i am doing this build of our app
14:12<@Belugas>it's version : 5.7.7 RL
14:13<@Belugas>pffffff
14:15<Wolf01>bbl
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14:19<andythenorth>evening
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14:34<Eddi|zuHause>looks like we'll be passing the Hbf on our way
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14:47<planetmaker>coming from Halle?
14:47<planetmaker>by car
14:47<planetmaker>unlikely
14:47<planetmaker>as I'd assume you come via A2
14:48<planetmaker>loool @ Belugas ' app version
14:50<Eddi|zuHause>i did tell you in the past that i'm not actually in Halle, but outside, on the "wrong" side of the river...
14:51<Eddi|zuHause>so we'd come via B6
14:52<Eddi|zuHause>A14/A2 could theoretically be faster, but they haven't finished the A143 yet
14:52<planetmaker>yeah... but still I thought A14/A2 is faster
14:52<Eddi|zuHause>so there is no sensible way to cross the river
14:52<planetmaker>oki :-)
14:52<planetmaker>then you'll come past the station probably, yes
14:53<Eddi|zuHause>B6 is 20km shorter
14:53<Eddi|zuHause>according to google
14:53<Eddi|zuHause>and i don't believe it saying that it's not going to be faster
14:54<Eddi|zuHause>google says difference is 2 minutes
14:54<Eddi|zuHause>but i know the road it's suggesting, and i don't believe it...
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15:01<+michi_cc>planetmaker: Anything I should bring tomorrow?
15:02<planetmaker>ah, moin & welcome back
15:03<planetmaker>hm, yes, maybe: bring Baguette
15:03<planetmaker>suficient for 14 people to come along with BBQ
15:03<planetmaker>then I can skip buying that tomorrow and 'just' bake cake :-)
15:03<planetmaker>I have 3 'Fladenbrot' already, though
15:03<planetmaker>And herb butter
15:04<planetmaker>gah.. discussing BBQ in English is not 100% trivial
15:04<+michi_cc>no problem if they have enough in the shop, trunk of the car is big enough :)
15:04<planetmaker>:-)
15:04<planetmaker>and bring good weather :-P
15:04<+michi_cc>enough meat and drinks are present?
15:05<planetmaker>I *think*
15:05<andythenorth>FIRS 964...not many to go :)
15:05<planetmaker>It's always hard to judge if it's too little, too much or just right
15:05<+michi_cc>Just hope I didn't bring Vancouver weather along because that's mostly rain :)
15:05<planetmaker>two sausages for everyone, some spare ribs, some steaks
15:05<planetmaker>some sticks
15:06<planetmaker>sufficient?
15:06<zachanima>forum post?
15:06<planetmaker>oh... and "Bauchfleisch"
15:06<planetmaker>like 1.5 per nose
15:06<planetmaker>same with the steaks I *think*
15:06<planetmaker>and the spare ribs. Always a factor 1.5 on the number of people or so
15:07<planetmaker>or factor 1
15:07<planetmaker>zachanima: yes, there is somewhere. About the r20k meeting
15:07<+michi_cc>should be enough I guess. If I see something looking very tasty I might buy a bit
15:07<planetmaker>But I think no one replied there what they bring ;-)
15:07<planetmaker>oki :-)
15:08<zachanima>planetmaker, yeah, I was just uh
15:08<zachanima>where is it?
15:08<+michi_cc>drinks all set?
15:08<planetmaker>michi_cc: I don't have bought specifically strong ones
15:09<planetmaker>Two sets of beer, a 5l keg and SmatZ is bringing a car full of beer
15:09<+michi_cc>I'm driving, so I don't care
15:09<planetmaker>I have also alcohol free yeast beer :-)
15:09<SpComb>czech beer
15:09<planetmaker>I've a bit coke, Apfelschorle, some juices
15:09<planetmaker>And a set of Bionade
15:09<SpComb>and a working WLAN? :)
15:09<planetmaker>sure
15:10<planetmaker>I just looked up my WAP password :-)
15:10<planetmaker>so that I actually will recall tomorrow ;-)
15:10<SpComb>oh, it's tomorrow
15:10<Eddi|zuHause>i can bring a few bottles of Fanta, if you want
15:10<planetmaker>Eddi|zuHause: if you want. I never drink that stuff. That's why I try to avoid getting large stocks of that around here
15:11<Eddi|zuHause>2x1.5l Fanta, 1x1.5l Sprite?
15:11<+michi_cc>Do you need any help setting things up? I should be able to manage getting up early enough tomorrow :)
15:11<planetmaker>I have a bit bitter lemon, tonic water and one bottle of orangina here
15:11<SpComb>planetmaker: how many people do you know are coming?
15:11<planetmaker>14
15:11<planetmaker>michi_cc: I guess it'll be fine.
15:11<Eddi|zuHause>value: about 5€ ;)
15:12<planetmaker>though if you feel like come along when you want :-)
15:12<Rubidium>WAP as in WPA or as in WEP?
15:12<SpComb>wap-only network access
15:12<Eddi|zuHause>that sounds fun... ;)
15:12<planetmaker>wpa2
15:12<SpComb>set up your own WML proxy
15:13<Eddi|zuHause>... i have no reasonable laptop anyway
15:13<planetmaker>well. I can provide cable connection, too ;-)
15:13*andythenorth has just got an iPad
15:13<andythenorth>for work purposes
15:13<Eddi|zuHause>i have a 486SX25, but the battery is dead, and it doesn't have WLAN
15:13<Eddi|zuHause>or any other kind of LAN for that matter
15:14<planetmaker>Eddi|zuHause: well, bring those drinks, if you like
15:14<planetmaker>@calc 190/14
15:14<@DorpsGek>planetmaker: 13.5714285714
15:14<Eddi|zuHause>it should have a 200MB hard disk, 8MB ram and win95 on it
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15:16<planetmaker>well, I have food worth 13€ per expected person here right now :-)
15:16<planetmaker>zachanima: it's in Braunschweig
15:17<planetmaker>we start at ~13:30 when the Dutch start playing ;-)
15:17<zachanima>Germany?
15:17<planetmaker>yes
15:17<zachanima>how far down?
15:17<Eddi|zuHause>northern germany
15:17<planetmaker>52.2670°N, 10.5330°
15:18<zachanima>open to not-so-into-the-community-yet?
15:18<planetmaker>yes
15:18<zachanima>hmm
15:18<zachanima>interesting
15:18<planetmaker>where about are you from?
15:18<Yexo>planetmaker: about the cost: do you prefer some cash tomorrow or do you want it via bank transfer (in that case, mail me the details)?
15:18*andythenorth has 33 commits to go :P
15:19<planetmaker>Yexo: I don't really care :-)
15:20<planetmaker>I trust all participating persons enough for either way
15:20<planetmaker>what do you like?
15:21<Yexo>I don't care, cash is easy but I can image you don't like too much cash at home
15:21<Yexo>TrueBrain: ^^ same question to you for the fual / car rental cots
15:23<TrueBrain>eeeuuuuhhhh .... don't care :p
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15:26<planetmaker>Yexo: that's not more cash than I can handle
15:26<planetmaker>I have to re-fill my canteen card anyway next week :-P
15:26<Yexo>ok :)
15:26<Eddi|zuHause>i wonder how much i still have on mine...
15:26<Eddi|zuHause>haven't used it in a year
15:27<planetmaker>zachanima: if you feel like you're very welcome tomorrow
15:28<zachanima>planetmaker, thanks, I'
15:29<planetmaker>michi_cc: coming to think about it: it might be helpful if you could come a bit earlier
15:29<zachanima>I'll look into the cost (which is the major concern, really - obviously I love travelling by rail =)
15:29<planetmaker>we have to setup the tents and move the tables / seats
15:29<zachanima><- from Denmarkia
15:29<planetmaker>two more hands might be very welcome there
15:29<planetmaker>:-)
15:29<planetmaker>you're not the furthest away then, zachanima
15:29<Rubidium>the "French" kinda destroyed that "love" for trains for me
15:30<zachanima>planetmaker, really? Hmm
15:30<zachanima>what bahnhof should I aim for, if I decided to go?
15:30<Eddi|zuHause>zachanima: you probably missed __ln__, he apparently passed through there earlier today
15:30<zachanima>hmm
15:30<Eddi|zuHause>zachanima: Braunschweig Hbf
15:30<zachanima>sweden?
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15:31<zachanima>honestly though, is there an info page or something? times, what to bring, cost etc.?
15:31<Eddi|zuHause>zachanima: as far as i understood it, he took the plane from finland to denmark
15:31<planetmaker>oh, for anyone coming tomorrow: if you're unsuccessful with my door bell: walk around the house into the garden
15:31<zachanima>oh I see
15:31<zachanima>Fins do that
15:31<planetmaker>zachanima: there's not
15:32<planetmaker>it's mostly organized in this channel
15:32<zachanima>I have a friend from Finland who flies to Breakpoint every year (well, he did until it stopped)
15:32<zachanima>and I'd take the train and we'd be there at the same time
15:32<zachanima>about 8 hours' travel
15:32<zachanima>that's not too bad
15:32<planetmaker>I only did a forum post a week ago
15:33<planetmaker>quite unfortunate I won't be able to host more people over night than I count now; but I think I gave an account of a few hotels in that forum post
15:33<zachanima>hmm
15:33<zachanima>so, what are the times?
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15:33<Eddi|zuHause>zachanima: start is around 14:00-ish
15:34<zachanima>Eddi|zuHause, hmm
15:34<planetmaker>if we know that someone is coming later we'll keep a piece of cake :-)
15:35<Eddi|zuHause>the current estimate is we arrive between 14:00 and 14:30
15:35<Eddi|zuHause>but no battle plan ever survived the first contact with the enemy :p
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15:37<planetmaker>anything urgent someone needs to know? I'm off for the next 30 or 45 minutes - getting our Swiss colegue from the station ;-)
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15:46*andythenorth wonders how the electrical substation is provided in FIRS
15:46<andythenorth>there appears to be no code for it :P
15:51<Eddi|zuHause>cool, how you sit in front of code and think "which idiot has written/documented this?!?" :p
15:51<Alberth>and then realize you wrote it yourself :p
15:52<andythenorth>in this case, FooBar wrote it....but we can't blame the absent ones :)
15:52<andythenorth>I don't know what he wrote, because I can't find it. But it works
15:53<Alberth>as long as that stays the case, all is well :)
15:53<Eddi|zuHause>the way i look at NFO code is search the (real-)sprite, then look around that location
15:57*andythenorth has an interesting feature request
15:57<andythenorth>with newgrf industries....for any industry type, default production is the same when built
15:57<andythenorth>for default industries, production is randomised on construction
15:58<andythenorth>I can't see a way to randomise prop 12 when constructing an industry
16:00<Rubidium>high doses of radiation focussed at the right location
16:00<andythenorth>sun spot
16:00<andythenorth>shake the machine hard enough that the bits move around
16:01<andythenorth>Eddi|zuHause oil wells - one big industry high production, or many small ones, but very close so all can be served with one station?
16:01<andythenorth>second version sucks for ENSP behaviour
16:03<Eddi|zuHause>first one sounds better, but make sure it doesn't flatten the land
16:05<ccfreak2k>andythenorth, I would advise prayer to the right gods.
16:05<ccfreak2k>A sacrifice wouldn't hurt either, unless YOU are the sacrifice.
16:07<andythenorth>Eddi|zuHause: I can do it with 1 tile oil-pumps, and allow building on slopes (when I figure that out) :P
16:07*andythenorth wonders about PBI oil well sprites
16:07<Eddi|zuHause>i didn't like the "tower" style oil pumps of PBI
16:07<Eddi|zuHause>earlier PBI had nicer ones
16:08<@Belugas>bye
16:08<@Belugas>good weekend
16:08<Eddi|zuHause>Belugas: so when can we expect you over here? :p
16:10*andythenorth likes the PBI animated nodding-donkey pumps
16:10<andythenorth>@seen pikka
16:10<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: pikka was last seen in #openttd 8 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, 6 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <Pikka> @calc andythenorth
16:10<andythenorth>poop
16:13<andythenorth>Eddi|zuHause: farms above the snowline....I'm thinking cut production by 1/3
16:13<andythenorth>need to balance game play and reality :)
16:13<Eddi|zuHause>hm... maybe
16:14<andythenorth>any other ideas?
16:14<andythenorth>it's wide open at the moment :)
16:14<Eddi|zuHause>the silly thing about stopping industry production in winter is that you still need a train waiting, or the rating will be low in the next spring
16:14<andythenorth>yes
16:14<andythenorth>it's annoying
16:15<andythenorth>I could simply prevent farms above snow line
16:15<Eddi|zuHause>but i never had any farms above always-summer snowline in alpine...
16:15<Yexo>maybe only increase production during spring/summer and only decrease production during winter?
16:15<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: snow line can change
16:16<andythenorth>that is an additional complication :)
16:16<andythenorth>game always starts in January?
16:16<andythenorth>hmm
16:16<Yexo>I mean use the normal increase/decrease code but prevent increasing production during the winter
16:17<andythenorth>someone has a grf supporting southern hemisphere so checking months doesn't help :P
16:17*andythenorth ponders
16:17<andythenorth>so why should farms above snowline do anything special at all?
16:18<Eddi|zuHause>oh... and if you have too much spare time, could you make the current forest graphics snow-line aware?
16:19<Eddi|zuHause>unless you expect the forests-as-fields feature really soon ;)
16:19<andythenorth>frosch promised it when FIRS hits 1k
16:19<andythenorth>or maybe he said 10k :P
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16:22<andythenorth>Eddi|zuHause: excuse the terrible pun, but when it comes to snowline....
16:22<andythenorth>I would say this is the low-hanging fruit :P
16:22<andythenorth>http://tt-foundry.com/misc/fruit_snowline.png
16:23<__ln__>Eddi|zuHause: yeah, i flew to denmark and then further to hannover.
16:23<+michi_cc>planetmaker: when should I come? around 12?
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16:28*andythenorth runs out of easy FIRS commits
16:28<andythenorth>frick
16:29<Eddi|zuHause>making forests snow-aware is "easy", because both graphics are already there ;)
16:30*andythenorth ponders digging out the default tiles
16:30<andythenorth>the current code just uses the existing industry almost 100%
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16:46<+glx>try Zuu_
16:46<__ln__>@seen Zuu_
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16:46<Wolf01>'night
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16:46<__ln__>night
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17:16<andythenorth>FIRS 986
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17:25<planetmaker>michi_cc: yeah, might be good time
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17:44<andythenorth>FIRS 990
17:44*andythenorth hunts down 1k
17:44<TrueBrain>Yexo / Rubidium: tot morgen, 10:00, Utrecht :)
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17:44*Yexo and alberth will arrive 9:45 if everything goes according to plan
17:44<Yexo>see you there :)
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17:49<zachanima>hmm
17:49<zachanima>connections from the station to uh, the place (where is it? someone's flat?) won't be too difficult/expensive, right?
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18:04<Eddi|zuHause>zachanima: in the order of 1,50€ probably...
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18:05<zachanima>Eddi|zuHause, ah
18:05<zachanima>well, shouldn't be a problem then ^^
18:06<Eddi|zuHause>i don't know who else arrives by train... depending on the time, something might be organised to pick you up
18:06<zachanima>it'll be past 14 so
18:07<zachanima>14:41, if the train schedule is anything to go by
18:07<Eddi|zuHause>otherwise, plan for tram/bus towards "Burgundenplatz" or "Siegfriedstraße"
18:07<zachanima>so planetmaker tells me ^^
18:07<Eddi|zuHause>last time i checked, it had one transfer in it...
18:11<zachanima>I should be able to figure that out
18:11<zachanima>I can read/listen to german just fine, anyway
18:12<planetmaker>Eddi|zuHause: depends: tram: maybe, maybe not. bus: yes
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18:39<Eddi|zuHause>http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/tt-forums.net
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19:10<fjb>I'm going by car and could carry 4 persons from the railway station to planetmaker.
19:10<zachanima>fjb, any takers yet? And when would this be?
19:11<fjb>Nobody yet. When? Don't know. When will it begin? Just came home.
19:11<zachanima>think it's about 14
19:12<zachanima>I won't be at the station till 14:41 though, so ... yes
19:13<fjb>Hm, I didn't plan anything yet.
19:14<fjb>When will the others arrive?
19:15<zachanima>keine ahnung
19:15<zachanima>(sp?, etc.)
19:15<fjb>When Do you have to know it? :-)
19:16<zachanima>not until 14:41
19:16<zachanima>=)
19:16<zachanima>I'll contact planetmaker then
19:16<zachanima>or you, if you're willing to share your phone number =)
19:17<fjb>Probably I will take you.
19:18<zachanima>that would be nothing less than swell
19:24<fjb>I have sent planetmaker my mobile phone number.
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