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01:49<@planetmaker>moin
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01:52<@Terkhen>good morning
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05:16*dihedral was just considering coding for diaspora - but oddly enough i do not feel like coding for another project :-P
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05:16<SpComb>you're getting old
05:17<dihedral>arent we all
05:17<SpComb>'
05:17<SpComb>besides, wasn't diaspora's code, like, shit?
05:20<SpComb>so it would be very depressing
05:20<dihedral>hehe
05:21<dihedral>well - i have to head to the dentists
05:21*dihedral waves farewell :-(
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05:29<Eddi|zuHause>*sob* we hardly knew ya :(
05:30<Sacro>alas poor yorick
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06:57*dihedral is still alive :-P
07:01<Noldo>since when is that news?
07:05<Eddi|zuHause>bah... no sense of humour these kids...
07:06<Noldo>:|
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07:21<rane>try #peoplewhocare
07:21<rane>:-p
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08:43<@Belugas>hi ho hello snow
08:44<+glx>in march ?
08:44<@planetmaker>brrr
08:48<@Belugas>20cm
08:48<@Belugas>righ now
08:49<@Belugas>since yestderday evening
08:49<Eddi|zuHause>congratulations.
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09:01<@Belugas>that's an honnor, i wold pass to anyone else ;)
09:06<@Alberth>more like a horror? :p
09:06<@Belugas>quite :D
09:06<@Belugas>mmh... let's make a piture from my window
09:07<@Alberth>20cm is probably not enough to cover the whole window :)
09:08<Sacro>where is text based openttd? :(
09:10*Alberth ponders having some coffee
09:11<supermop>using rhino with a one button mouse is an exercise in frustration
09:13<Sacro>i see you baby, shaking dat ass
09:15<@Alberth>the only useful function of a mouse is to point to which terminal window your keyboard input goes ;)
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09:16<supermop>having to constantly type in the commands for pan, orbit, and zoom dynamic is pretty frustrating
09:18<supermop>has led to me drawing with this mouse and navigating/beginning actions with the trackpad
09:19<supermop>hmm
09:19<supermop>i am exporting these as .dwg, and i can open them fine in autocad, but it seems my coworker cannot
09:20<@Yexo>supermop: http://pastebin.com/NJjzAQze <- new nml code so you can support more than 16 different railtypes
09:20<Eddi|zuHause>Sacro: i'm fairly sure there's someone who did an aalib frontend for SDL
09:20<supermop>anyone here have acad and want to seen if they can open something?
09:20<supermop>cool thanks Yexo
09:20<supermop>i have to finish up this cad work, then i will get back to nml
09:20<@Yexo>sure
09:21<@Yexo>if it doesn't work, let me know, you might need a newer version of nml
09:23<@Belugas>haa... some refreshing pictures
09:23<@Belugas>http://devs.openttd.org/belugas/pictures/Snow/
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09:27<supermop>what does the 'param[10]' mean?
09:29<@Alberth>Belugas: they look mostly very cold :)
09:31<@Belugas>in the comfort of the house, no, not really ;)
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09:33<Noldo>supermop: array with 10 elements or the eleventh element of that array, depending on context
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09:37<supermop>i feel like i should try to understand what the code i use means
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09:39<@Yexo>supermop: each grf has 128 parameters it can use. "param[10]" is the 11th (start counting at 0) parameter.
09:40<@Yexo>nml reserves the top 64 parameters (64..127) for internal use
09:40<@Yexo>the first (0..) parameters are set by the user
09:40<@Yexo>you're free to use the rest in any way you like
09:41<@Yexo>you can use those parameters to perform calculations, store temporary results etc.
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09:41<@Alberth>moin Wolf01
09:41<Wolf01>hello
09:41<@Yexo>in the example I posted it's used to set the grf-internal id to the value of param[10], than increase param[10] by one
09:42<@Yexo>that's needed because the maximum grf-internal id of a railtype is 16
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09:48<supermop>ah neat
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09:51<@planetmaker>hm... would you manage to write something like a beginner's guide to writing a newgrf, supermop ? From your experiences you make with this depot one?
09:52<@planetmaker>I think a lot of people could profit from that
09:56<supermop>the thing is
09:56<supermop>I am still so clueless about what is going on, I think I would hurt more people than I would help
09:57<supermop>but after I wrap up the grf i can give it a try
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09:58*ZirconiumX is scared
09:58<ZirconiumX>Well, you would be
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09:59<ZirconiumX>When you've been threatened with a stanley knife - and stabbed
09:59-!-ZirconiumX is now known as Zir|Scared
10:00<Zir|Scared>Very scared
10:00<@Belugas>stabbed?
10:00<Zir|Scared>stabbed
10:00<@Belugas>and you're not in the hospital?
10:01<@Belugas>the ER or else?
10:01<Zir|Scared>penknife - doesn't go far
10:01<@Belugas>ho...
10:01<@Belugas>that kind of knife :)
10:01*Zir|Scared had the police in
10:01<Zir|Scared>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_knife
10:02<Zir|Scared>something like that
10:03<Zir|Scared>nonetheless, I have a mark about 2 inches (5cm) above waistline
10:03<Zir|Scared>about a cm wide
10:03<@Belugas>http://www.scubacenter.com/scubacenter_onlinestore/Knives_Shears/Aqua_Lung_Military_Knives.htm
10:03<@Belugas>that's my diving knofe
10:03<@Belugas>knife
10:03*Zir|Scared is unarmed
10:04<Zir|Scared>something like that would make even that guy scared
10:04<@Belugas>i was carrying it one day, after a good dive. a guy had a pocket knife and asked for my money
10:04<@Belugas>i think he is still running...
10:04<Zir|Scared>*sigh*
10:04<Zir|Scared>He asked me where I lived
10:04<@Belugas>lol
10:05<@Belugas>that's a bastard alright :)
10:05*Zir|Scared thanks my neighbours that they planted a tree right near my door
10:05<Zir|Scared>The guy was a teen
10:06<Zir|Scared>Mum thinks he was high on something
10:06<Chaot_s>fjb : are you here?
10:06<supermop>what country do you live in, zir?
10:06<Zir|Scared>UK
10:06<supermop>hm
10:07<Zir|Scared>the best armament I can do is a nerf gun
10:07<supermop>I guess there is a fair amount of knife crime there these days?
10:07<Zir|Scared>21 is the age for buying a knife
10:07<Zir|Scared>or 18
10:08<Wolf01>I have 2 swords and a katana
10:08<Wolf01>but they are difficult to bring around
10:08<@Belugas>Zir|Scared, a one or two hour of self defense would make you laugh at that guy. IT's easy to get him unarmed with such a small tool
10:08<@Belugas>really
10:08<Zir|Scared>It's illegal for anyone under the age of 18 to buy a knife.
10:08<@Belugas>Wolf01 is the dark knife of OpenTTD
10:09<@Belugas>he,
10:09<@Belugas>knight
10:09<@Belugas>coffee time... i'm empty
10:09*Zir|Scared picture OpenTTD walking down the street and being stabbed by Wolf01
10:10-!-Zir|Scared is now known as Zir|NotSoScared
10:10<Wolf01>maybe the other way around..
10:10<Wolf01>me stabbed by ottd logo
10:10<Zir|NotSoScared>Hmmm
10:10<Wolf01>here is illegal to have a fork (yes those used for eating) at any age
10:11<Wolf01>figure you having a knife
10:11<sla_ro|master>o0
10:11<Zir|NotSoScared>Meh, the police
10:11<sla_ro|master>fork illegal?
10:12<Zir|NotSoScared>"We have an offensive weapon here" he says, looking at the knife (cutlery, you wouldn't kill anyone with that)
10:12<Wolf01>if you purchase a set of forks at the supermarket and police blocks you, they can take them because any stupid thing can be considered a weapon
10:12<Wolf01>also "Duomo di Milano" miniatures -.-
10:12<SmatZ>my fists are weapon
10:13*Zir|NotSoScared has found a loophole
10:13<Wolf01>do they have the safe?
10:13<Zir|NotSoScared>You can either
10:14<Zir|NotSoScared>A) cross the border to scotland and get one at 16
10:14<Zir|NotSoScared>B) get an 18+ friend to buy it and pay them back
10:14*planetmaker suddenly fears SmatZ ;-)
10:15<Zir|NotSoScared>SmatZ: Do you have a safety on them?
10:15<Chaot_s>ah in elgium they throw you on the rails for an ipod.
10:15<Chaot_s>http://www.beglium.be/magazine/opsporing_verzocht_metro_brussel/
10:15<Wolf01>I can cut a person in half with my tongue, that's why I don't speak often
10:15<Chaot_s>the video tells enough by itself
10:17<Zir|NotSoScared>7 inch serrated blade
10:17*Zir|NotSoScared drools at Belugas' Knife
10:17<Zir|NotSoScared>@logs
10:17<@DorpsGek>Zir|NotSoScared: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd
10:18<Wolf01>does it hurts much getting stabbed?
10:18*Zir|NotSoScared feels a bit better
10:19<Zir|NotSoScared>I consider myself Overweight - even though my mother disagrees
10:19<Zir|NotSoScared>I guess that was an element
10:19<Zir|NotSoScared>he had a stanley knife
10:20<Zir|NotSoScared>that's another
10:20<Zir|NotSoScared>he was a bad shot
10:20<Zir|NotSoScared>another
10:20<Zir|NotSoScared>not much - It's the shock
10:21<Zir|NotSoScared>Dettol - It's amazing( how much it hurts)
10:21<Zir|NotSoScared>But it does the trick
10:21<Chaot_s>Zir|NotSoScared : i hope its apropriate to say, though when something impacting happens among friends, we alway say something like... if it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger.
10:21<Wolf01>if somebody will stab me (in any part), with a 5cm knife, I think it could pass through from part to part, I'm a little underweight, not so much, just 7kg
10:22<Zir|NotSoScared>then your fine
10:22<Zir|NotSoScared>the peak of the knife was 3cm at most
10:23<Zir|NotSoScared>What's rather annoying is the fact that I had a friend
10:23<Zir|NotSoScared>he still stabbed me - left him alone
10:23<Zir|NotSoScared>I saw him twice
10:24<Zir|NotSoScared>one outside my friends house
10:24<Zir|NotSoScared>he asked me where I was going
10:24<Zir|NotSoScared>(to my friend's house)
10:24<Zir|NotSoScared>he ran off
10:24<Zir|NotSoScared>I collected my friend - and went home
10:25<Zir|NotSoScared>I'd got to about halfway up the street
10:26<Zir|NotSoScared>when he asked me where I was going
10:26<Zir|NotSoScared>I replied home
10:27<Zir|NotSoScared>He asked where I lived
10:27<Zir|NotSoScared>I replied just down there - blue door
10:28<Zir|NotSoScared>and he said I was lying
10:28<Zir|NotSoScared>I begged him not to hurt me
10:28<Zir|NotSoScared>he asked again
10:28<Zir|NotSoScared>I said go to the other side of the street - you'll see it
10:29<Zir|NotSoScared>he did so and said I was lying
10:29<Zir|NotSoScared>- and stabbed me
10:29<Zir|NotSoScared>before running off again
10:29<Zir|NotSoScared>C'est la vie...
10:30<Chaot_s>i wonder under what influence he was
10:30<Wolf01>the world is full of crazy people
10:31<Zir|NotSoScared>C'est la vie - avec des idiots ajouté ...
10:31<@planetmaker>so... was he caught and jailed?
10:31<Zir|NotSoScared>not as yet
10:31<Chaot_s>you think they do actualy take time for that stuff?
10:31<Zir|NotSoScared>it happened 'bout an hour ago
10:31<Zir|NotSoScared>(that's life - complete with added idiots)
10:33<Chaot_s>in the netherlands a we where in the last train to amsterdam. then the ??Conductor?? (he who comes by and checks if you have a valid ticket came by. he checked us, and went on
10:34<Chaot_s>2 seats further there was a foreign boy who didn't have a valid ticket, so he was told he had to pay a fine and stuff.
10:34<Chaot_s>he then took a knife and threatned to stab the person.
10:35<Zir|NotSoScared>Chaot_s: I don't know - why would someone want to injure an under 13 kid
10:35<Zir|NotSoScared>In case your wondering parent's consent for tt-forums
10:35<Zir|NotSoScared>(11 year old)
10:36<Chaot_s>thats where, as if it was planned before, we 4 stood up and told the ***** that he wouldn't get the chance to tell what happend if he didn't put the knife away in a matter of seconds.
10:36<Chaot_s>it finaly took the police 3 hours to irive at the next train station.
10:36<Chaot_s>they didn't think it was important enough
10:36<Zir|NotSoScared>15/16 guy armed w/ stanley knife vs. unarmed 11 year old
10:37<Chaot_s>okay... that does change the whole view a bit
10:37<Zir|NotSoScared>Police always have better things to do
10:37<Chaot_s>the impact things have on youngsters or somewhat older persons is different
10:38<Zir|NotSoScared>As I said before - it's the shock more than anything else
10:38<Chaot_s>time will eventualy help with that.
10:39<Chaot_s>(sorry for my sometimes poor choice of words)
10:39<Chaot_s>i can't express myself in the way i would in my primary language.
10:39<Zir|NotSoScared>you sympathise - that's what's important
10:40<Chaot_s>anyways, everything i say is meant with good intentions
10:40<Chaot_s>i hope they get the person and help him get a real life.
10:40<Zir|NotSoScared>me too
10:41<Chaot_s>instead of a life witch depends on threatning other people in order to gain something for them selves
10:42<Chaot_s>honestly, i would like to know what makes a person go that way. i couldn't imagine how that would seem to be a choice.
10:42<Chaot_s>if i realy needed money or something i wouldn't go and threathen people.
10:43<Chaot_s>its so useless and nearly always has the effect of makeing things worse
10:44<fjb>Chaot_s: I'm here now.
10:44<Zir|NotSoScared>I didn't have any money - so he hasn't gained anything
10:44<Chaot_s>so you end up with a cut and he gained nothing.
10:45<Zir|NotSoScared>precisely
10:45<Chaot_s>only the risk of getting police on his back
10:45<@Belugas>he gained police attention
10:45<@planetmaker>hopefully more than he bargained for
10:45<Chaot_s>fjb : I want to thank you again for last night.
10:46<Zir|NotSoScared>AFAIK three cars - some people with *dogs* some who are *armed*
10:46<Chaot_s>i realy apreciate the response you gave.
10:47<Zir|NotSoScared>planetmaker: a *lot* more than he bargained for
10:47<@planetmaker>Zir|NotSoScared, my bet is that every policemen is armed when on such hunt. Just not obviously.
10:47<Zir|NotSoScared>pepperspray - and the good old baton
10:47<Chaot_s>it realy helped me to regain control over my impulsive responses.
10:48<Chaot_s>most persons can be handled without those means.
10:49<Chaot_s>a good talk can make a person stop resisting in a confronting situation. most dutch cops are trained to do just that.
10:49<Chaot_s>only if its realy needed they resort to violence
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11:01<Chaot_s>and then.... there was silence
11:02<Zir|NotSoScared>I've asked my mum if she will take me to a self-defence class
11:02<Zir|NotSoScared>I'm still shocked though
11:05*Zir|NotSoScared shudders
11:05<@Belugas>hum... if you were older then 11, i would say : take a good sip of rum, that will pass ;)
11:05<@Belugas>but in this case...
11:05<Zir|NotSoScared>hot choccy
11:06<@Belugas>not as conforting
11:06<@Belugas>mmh...
11:06<@Belugas>go swim!
11:06<@Belugas>that helped me a lot back then
11:06<Zir|NotSoScared>I can't swim
11:06<@Belugas>an intense physical activity
11:07<@Belugas>you CAN'T SWIM?????
11:07<Zir|NotSoScared>the only stroke I can do is backstroke - with armbands
11:07<@Belugas>that is... very sad
11:07<Zir|NotSoScared>and no local swimming pool
11:07<@Belugas>ha.. that mighexplain
11:07<__ln__>aren't you surrounded by sea/ocean
11:07<@Belugas>lol
11:07<Chaot_s>Belugas : not in every country swimming is a school event.
11:07<Zir|NotSoScared>I could take a dip in the derwent
11:08<@Belugas>i get that now, Chaot_s :)
11:08<Chaot_s>i was slow in typing :D
11:08<Chaot_s>real life conversation going on too :D
11:10*Belugas is working, atm
11:11<Chaot_s>Belugas : a nother hour to go?
11:11<Chaot_s>in other words? near the end of the day
11:11<@Alberth>he'd like that :p
11:12<@Belugas>to go before lunch break, yes
11:12*Belugas sends a cookie to Alberth :)
11:12<@Alberth>yummie :)
11:13<Zir|NotSoScared>My friends have came round to see how I was
11:14<Zir|NotSoScared>It would appear it has spread like the metaphorical wildfire
11:14<@Belugas>they were disappointed, there is no more blood!
11:14<@planetmaker>such things spread like a wild fire
11:14<Zir|NotSoScared>they were still shocked
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11:14<@planetmaker>but it's good to notice who actually checks back :-)
11:15<@Belugas>damned... i have two screens at work, only one from home. some setups are done for twins, so opening a program setup for seconde scren is like... impossible
11:16<@Alberth>ask your boss for a second screen so you can work at home :p
11:17<@Belugas>1) physical limit of home's desk
11:17<@Belugas>2) he'd rather have me on site ;)
11:18<@planetmaker>3) bigger screen at home also for past-time activity ;-)
11:18*SpComb wants a second L220x
11:19<@Belugas>planetmaker: past-time = xbox-kinect, tv, basement construction, jams, solo guit playing
11:19<@Belugas>compter?
11:19<@Belugas>email
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11:19<Zir|NotSoScared>hmm
11:19<@Belugas>or... work@home
11:19<SpComb>and porn
11:22<@Belugas>lol
11:22<@Belugas>not my style, by far not :)
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11:24<@Belugas>plus, he... if my wife is awaken by the pick hitting the strings one floor down, imagine if i was watching porn in the room besides the bedroom!
11:24<@planetmaker>no need when there's the real thing [TM] ;-)
11:24<avdg>bleh, looks likes r22222 is going to translators :p
11:24<@Belugas>plus... who needs pron when one has a nice wife?
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12:05<@Terkhen>hello
12:07<@planetmaker>wb, Terkhen
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13:45<CIA-11>OpenTTD: yexo * r22222 /trunk/src/ai/ai.hpp: -Fix: compilation when compiling with --disable-ai
13:45<CIA-11>OpenTTD: translators * r22223 /:
13:45<CIA-11>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-11>OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 7 changes by elleryq
13:45<CIA-11>OpenTTD: frisian - 16 changes by Taeke
13:45<CIA-11>OpenTTD: greek - 28 changes by fumantsu
13:45<@orudge>r22222 :)
13:45<CIA-11>OpenTTD: italian - 30 changes by Snail_, lorenzodv
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13:46<frosch123>orudge: did you have a highlight on that?
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14:19<CIA-11>OpenTTD: rubidium * r22224 /branches/1.1/ (15 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
14:19<CIA-11>OpenTTD: [1.1] -Backport from trunk:
14:19<CIA-11>OpenTTD: - Fix: Compilation when compiling with --disable-ai (r22222)
14:19<CIA-11>OpenTTD: - Fix: When downloading a file via HTTP failed mid-way and OpenTTD fell back to the old system the partial downloaded amount would be counted twice [FS#4543] (r22208)
14:19<CIA-11>OpenTTD: - Fix: The 'center' (for movement) of vehicles is (currently still) always at
14:19<CIA-11>OpenTTD: 4/8th original vehicle length from the front, so trains should stop at the same
14:19<CIA-11>OpenTTD: location regardless of the length of the front engine [FS#4545] (r22206)
14:21<__ln__>when was american spelling adopted into commit messages?
14:21<@Alberth>when was a single language for commit messages established?
14:22<__ln__>important questions
14:24<@Rubidium>never ;)
14:24<@Alberth>only a bit important, both british english and american english are very readable
14:24<@Rubidium>as it's a mix of English "dialects"
14:24<@Rubidium>including Dunglish
14:25<@Alberth>and typos ;)
14:25<@orudge>frosch123: no, I just noticed it
14:25<@Terkhen>I'm not be able to discern between spelling styles, except in a few cases such as colour and color
14:26<@planetmaker>center and centre
14:26<@planetmaker>;-)
14:27<@Terkhen>I wouldn't be able to tell which style is each one :)
14:28<@Yexo>center american, centre british?
14:28<@planetmaker>yep
14:29<__ln__>also meter, metre
14:29<Prof_Frink>Meter is british english.
14:29<@planetmaker>but not google and googel :-P
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14:51<SpComb>fibre and fiber
14:52<SpComb>regexp and ergexp
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14:56<__ln__>pound and dollar
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14:59<@Belugas>bear and beer
14:59<@Belugas>fear and feet
14:59<@Belugas>pea and pee
15:00<__ln__>tea and coke
15:00<frosch123>kick and ban
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15:08<@Belugas>mmh... snow has stopped
15:09<@Belugas>i guess it's time for exercising the back
15:11<@Rubidium>you mean shovelling money to the guy that'll shovel your lawn?
15:12<frosch123>he prepares room for more snow
15:15<@Belugas>more like ... move the car, clean under it, shovel the stairs, around the garbages, stuff like that :)
15:15<@Belugas>the guy came by two times already
15:16<@Belugas>need to "finalize" the brute force jobs he did
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16:11<@Belugas>oooch
16:11<@Belugas>it hurts
16:12<@Belugas>but it's done
16:17<@Alberth>good night Belugas
16:18<@Belugas>you too sir Alberth
16:18<@Belugas>and yes, i'll sleep like a little baby tomight :)
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17:00<@Terkhen>good night
17:01<@Belugas>night sir :)
17:01<@Belugas>looks like the sun is definitively down on the old continent :)
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17:05<TroyMcClure>anyone knows when the final edition of 1.1.0 is coming out?
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17:07<Wolf01>TroyMcClure, when it's ready
17:08<@Belugas>soon
17:09<@Belugas>or later, depends of your degree of impatience :)
17:10<Noldo>TroyMcClure: everyone knows
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17:19<@planetmaker>not today ;-)
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17:54<Eddi|zuHause>i'm betting money on 1st april ;)
17:55<Prof_Frink>Fool.
17:55<Eddi|zuHause>i'm fairly certain it won't be "rose monday" :p
17:56<@planetmaker>hm... How much money do you wager, Eddi|zuHause ?
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17:58<Eddi|zuHause>planetmaker: the amount you get by clicking "add money to your account" button in the cheat window ;)
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