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| 02:47 | <@Terkhen> | good morning |
| 02:48 | <@planetmaker> | moin Terkhen |
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| 03:09 | <LordAro> | moin all |
| 03:11 | <Markk> | Moin |
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| 04:16 | <Mazur> | Morning. |
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| 06:41 | <@SmatZ> | You won 990,784.00 GBP from LUKOIL COMPANY AWARD. Contact Mr Benson Parker for payment details. |
| 06:41 | <@SmatZ> | yay! |
| 06:42 | <andythenorth> | now you can fund Openttd |
| 06:42 | <andythenorth> | what shall we spend the money on? |
| 06:42 | <andythenorth> | (a) a new logo |
| 06:42 | <@SmatZ> | real-world openttd! :) |
| 06:42 | <andythenorth> | (b) bigger servers |
| 06:42 | <andythenorth> | (c) underground railways |
| 06:42 | <@SmatZ> | :) |
| 06:43 | <@SmatZ> | underground railways are doable, but it would change openttd a lot |
| 06:43 | <@Terkhen> | servers for 255 companies and 65535 players |
| 06:43 | <@SmatZ> | eg. you would need user interface to build them |
| 06:43 | <@SmatZ> | :) |
| 06:43 | <@SmatZ> | also, later you would want to add sloped underground track... |
| 06:43 | <dihedral> | decentralized multiplayer |
| 06:43 | <andythenorth> | an interface to build things you can't see :P |
| 06:43 | * | dihedral pokes SmatZ :-D |
| 06:44 | <@SmatZ> | hmm yeah :) |
| 06:44 | <@SmatZ> | :D |
| 06:44 | <@SmatZ> | I remember when I was trying to build something like that in locomotion, the game never did what I wanted |
| 06:44 | <@SmatZ> | or when I rotated the view, the track was built somewhere else than it looked like when I was building it... |
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| 06:51 | <andythenorth> | underground is stupid |
| 06:51 | <andythenorth> | might as well just use tunnels for it |
| 06:51 | <andythenorth> | build nodes on the surface, built tunnels to them |
| 06:52 | <andythenorth> | nothing else can be on the node tile |
| 06:52 | <andythenorth> | use the map bits for signalling and crap |
| 06:53 | <andythenorth> | node tile can look like a vent shaft or something |
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| 07:13 | <Eddi|zuHause> | http://maps.google.de/?ie=UTF8&ll=51.507527,11.927826&spn=0.002311,0.005257&t=h&z=18 <-- so, who codes this as a newgrf-tram/bus-station? ;) |
| 07:16 | <@peter1138> | it's unrealistic! |
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| 07:17 | <@peter1138> | looks like an old industrial station converted to an out-of-town one |
| 07:18 | <@peter1138> | s/one/passenger station/ |
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| 08:08 | <Eddi|zuHause> | nope, never was industrial. first it was a single turning loop for the tram line from the right, and later they added a tram line from below, so they made it a double-loop |
| 08:10 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i guess original plans to extend the line towards the top were scrapped in favour of the bus lines |
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| 08:19 | <Wolf01> | hello |
| 08:19 | <@peter1138> | hmm |
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| 09:00 | <@Belugas> | hello |
| 09:01 | <@Belugas> | freezing rain pouring down over me |
| 09:01 | <@Belugas> | lovely |
| 09:05 | <Markk> | I would like that right now. |
| 09:05 | <@planetmaker> | hm... around 20°C here right now. T-Shirt weather actually |
| 09:05 | <@Belugas> | come, as you are |
| 09:06 | <@Belugas> | as you were |
| 09:06 | <@planetmaker> | and not a single cloud :-) |
| 09:06 | <@Belugas> | as i want you to be |
| 09:06 | <Markk> | Belugas: Nirvana :D |
| 09:06 | <@Belugas> | :D |
| 09:06 | <@Belugas> | one of the easiest songs to play EVER, but so cool to play!! |
| 09:07 | <Markk> | :D |
| 09:10 | <Markk> | 19 degrees here. |
| 09:11 | <Markk> | Sunny and high humidity too, so it feels like 22-23. |
| 09:13 | * | Belugas longs for some heat |
| 09:13 | <@Belugas> | 2 celcius :( |
| 09:14 | <@Belugas> | and rain mixed with freezing rain |
| 09:14 | * | Belugas cries for a bit of sun! |
| 09:14 | <Markk> | wtf |
| 09:14 | <Markk> | Where are thou? |
| 09:16 | <@Belugas> | in the cold, damned |
| 09:16 | <Markk> | Canada? |
| 09:16 | <@Belugas> | Montreal, Quebec, north Pole |
| 09:16 | <Markk> | <3 |
| 09:17 | <Markk> | But isn't Montreal pretty far south for being Canada? |
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| 09:19 | <@Belugas> | quite. we're just like 45 minutes frm the states. We're lucky, in fact, there are people in the priovince that are receiving snow right now |
| 09:19 | <@Belugas> | and a pile of it! |
| 09:19 | <@peter1138> | i have sun |
| 09:19 | <@peter1138> | it's too hot, yes |
| 09:19 | <@peter1138> | 24°C in this office |
| 09:20 | <Markk> | Belugas: wtf. |
| 09:20 | <Markk> | I live in Ireland, the most rainy sheitisland, and it's nearly summer here. |
| 09:21 | <@Belugas> | say Yeah for Gulf Stream ;) |
| 09:21 | <Markk> | Yep :D |
| 09:21 | <@Belugas> | that's what is eating up the continent |
| 09:22 | <@Belugas> | it totally misses us. Instead, we have that stream coming down the arctic circle |
| 09:22 | <@Belugas> | thus the difference |
| 09:22 | <Markk> | ah |
| 09:22 | <Markk> | That sucks. |
| 09:22 | <Markk> | How is Vancouver by this time of the year? |
| 09:22 | <@Belugas> | nope, that freezes ;) |
| 09:23 | <@Belugas> | I can't tell. I was doing an install by remote yesterday, the guy was so boring we did not talk about the weater |
| 09:23 | <Markk> | Haha |
| 09:26 | <@Belugas> | and I know that Calgary was a bit frisky as well yesterday :) |
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| 09:28 | <@Belugas> | -3 actually |
| 09:28 | <@Belugas> | so... looks like i should not complain too much :D |
| 09:30 | <Markk> | wtf |
| 09:30 | <Markk> | It's spring! |
| 09:30 | <Markk> | Not winter |
| 09:30 | <Markk> | :D |
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| 09:46 | <ZirconiumX> | Hello all |
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| 09:51 | <andythenorth> | playing a game causes me to invent lots of tickets |
| 09:51 | <andythenorth> | mostly for me :P |
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| 09:52 | <ZirconiumX> | least they aren't bus tickets |
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| 10:00 | <andythenorth> | ZirconiumX: your feedback on FIRS graphics was useful - it inspired me to improve them more... |
| 10:01 | <andythenorth> | does this one blend in in your view? |
| 10:01 | <andythenorth> | http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=143429 |
| 10:01 | * | ZirconiumX gives thumbs up |
| 10:02 | <ZirconiumX> | it's not perfect - but as nothing can be - it's one of the best I've seen |
| 10:02 | * | ZirconiumX thinks andythenorth should do a station set |
| 10:02 | <@Terkhen> | it loos quite nice :) |
| 10:02 | <@Terkhen> | looks* |
| 10:03 | <andythenorth> | ZirconiumX: it won't be perfect :) while (a) I insist on using my own ground tile (b) I don't add fences (c) I make industries same size as town buildings, instead of compressed in size |
| 10:03 | <andythenorth> | and I'm not simon foster :) |
| 10:04 | <ZirconiumX> | I've seen thenew fishing harbour |
| 10:04 | <ZirconiumX> | very good IMO |
| 10:05 | <andythenorth> | fanks |
| 10:08 | <Ammler> | [16:03] <andythenorth> and I'm not simon foster <-- you are better |
| 10:08 | <andythenorth> | not really |
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| 10:09 | <Ammler> | but you might have used more time per sprite as he |
| 10:09 | <Ammler> | :-) |
| 10:09 | <andythenorth> | I have more time than he probably had |
| 10:09 | <andythenorth> | I have been working on it for two years |
| 10:09 | <andythenorth> | I don't know how long TTD production took |
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| 10:19 | <@Belugas> | nice looking, andythenorth |
| 10:21 | <andythenorth> | ta much |
| 10:21 | * | andythenorth back to work |
| 10:24 | <ZirconiumX> | or play |
| 10:30 | <ZirconiumX> | andythenorth: there appears to be a 'bulge' in the dairy exhaust pipe |
| 10:30 | <ZirconiumX> | The dairy is a good sprite but the bulge looks 'wrong' |
| 10:30 | <andythenorth> | there is a bulge - it's a collar on the chimney |
| 10:31 | <ZirconiumX> | ah - sorry |
| 10:31 | <andythenorth> | you may have a point |
| 10:31 | <ZirconiumX> | could you either recolour it - or remove it |
| 10:31 | <andythenorth> | maybe |
| 10:32 | <andythenorth> | I don't enjoy criticism, but if it makes for better art... |
| 10:32 | <ZirconiumX> | recolour would be better IMO |
| 10:32 | <ZirconiumX> | but - it's your work |
| 10:32 | <andythenorth> | the bulge is realistic, but maybe doesn't look right. There are other cases of it |
| 10:32 | <andythenorth> | I'll try later |
| 10:32 | <ZirconiumX> | ty |
| 10:33 | <ZirconiumX> | and - is there a snowy harbour |
| 10:33 | <ZirconiumX> | or slightly salty? |
| 10:34 | <andythenorth> | ask yourself - how low does the snow line go? |
| 10:34 | <andythenorth> | ;) |
| 10:34 | <ZirconiumX> | 7 bottom |
| 10:34 | <ZirconiumX> | hmm |
| 10:34 | <andythenorth> | min height is level 2 for snow |
| 10:34 | <andythenorth> | afaik |
| 10:35 | <andythenorth> | although you can build fishing harbours in lakes above sea level |
| 10:35 | <andythenorth> | but not likely when using terrain generator |
| 10:35 | <andythenorth> | I would like a snowy version |
| 10:35 | <ZirconiumX> | but maybe the salt deposited on the shipway |
| 10:35 | <andythenorth> | it would look...neat |
| 10:35 | <@planetmaker> | well. You *can* set it lower via NewGRF. But you'd have to supply snowy shores as well |
| 10:35 | <andythenorth> | that might be a worthwhile project... |
| 10:35 | <andythenorth> | 'total snow' |
| 10:35 | <andythenorth> | would look awesome |
| 10:36 | <ZirconiumX> | and icy water |
| 10:36 | <dihedral> | mini has been ordered :-) |
| 10:36 | <ZirconiumX> | just oe problem |
| 10:36 | <andythenorth> | yarp |
| 10:36 | <@planetmaker> | I *think* you can then not have a variable snow line |
| 10:36 | <dihedral> | \o/ |
| 10:36 | <@planetmaker> | hm... icy river sprites... |
| 10:37 | <andythenorth> | yarp |
| 10:37 | <ZirconiumX> | the small wooden ships of FISH going through thick ice |
| 10:37 | <ZirconiumX> | is IMO unrealistic |
| 10:37 | <@planetmaker> | if height - snowline > 3 then use_frozen_water_sprites |
| 10:37 | <andythenorth> | i would happily draw ice breakers |
| 10:37 | <andythenorth> | my ships are all ice capable :) |
| 10:37 | <andythenorth> | that's why they're so expensive :P |
| 10:37 | <@planetmaker> | :-) |
| 10:37 | <@planetmaker> | he. |
| 10:37 | <ZirconiumX> | :D |
| 10:37 | <@planetmaker> | Actually I think costs should match the costs of standard vehicles. |
| 10:38 | <andythenorth> | I think there should be a cost-parameter ;) |
| 10:38 | <@planetmaker> | If people want other costs, they can use base cost mods for that, or parameters :-P |
| 10:38 | <andythenorth> | and for some reason my ship costs are currently all wrong |
| 10:38 | <ZirconiumX> | cost multiplier param? |
| 10:38 | <@planetmaker> | andythenorth, yes, but one parameter must always be "matches default" |
| 10:38 | <andythenorth> | I recently reset them right, now they are wrong again in my game |
| 10:38 | * | andythenorth must have changed a difficulty setting somewhere |
| 10:38 | <@planetmaker> | and IMHO "best" is to match default by default :-P |
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| 10:39 | <ZirconiumX> | Hmm |
| 10:39 | <@planetmaker> | of course they vary by the difficulty setting, sure |
| 10:39 | <ZirconiumX> | and what about salty deposits on the harbour? |
| 10:39 | <andythenorth> | maybe |
| 10:39 | <@planetmaker> | andythenorth, because, if every newgrf has its own defaults, that may be reasonable from one newgrf's perspective. But not from a player who wants to use several newgrfs of the same type |
| 10:39 | <ZirconiumX> | from the seawater |
| 10:39 | <andythenorth> | planetmaker: known issue yes /no ? |
| 10:39 | <andythenorth> | cost parameter... |
| 10:40 | <@planetmaker> | uhm, what about it? |
| 10:40 | <@planetmaker> | doesn't fish have one? |
| 10:40 | <andythenorth> | Not yet |
| 10:40 | <@planetmaker> | he |
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| 10:40 | <ZirconiumX> | :) |
| 10:40 | <@planetmaker> | it should get one |
| 10:40 | <andythenorth> | I have minimal objection to making the default match default vehicles |
| 10:40 | <andythenorth> | planetmaker: there's a ticket for it :P |
| 10:40 | <@planetmaker> | :-) |
| 10:40 | <andythenorth> | you went hiking |
| 10:40 | <andythenorth> | instead |
| 10:40 | <@planetmaker> | :-D |
| 10:40 | <andythenorth> | seemed odd, but you must have your fun I suppose :P |
| 10:41 | <@planetmaker> | me? |
| 10:41 | <andythenorth> | yup |
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| 10:41 | * | ZirconiumX goes off to do some demonstartion |
| 10:41 | <@planetmaker> | must be a pretty old ticket, I recon |
| 10:41 | <andythenorth> | http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2160 |
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| 10:44 | <@planetmaker> | what's your reservation against matching default vehicles? |
| 10:45 | <andythenorth> | not a lot |
| 10:45 | <andythenorth> | it's just a change of attitude |
| 10:45 | <andythenorth> | I can live with it |
| 10:45 | <@planetmaker> | :-) |
| 10:45 | <andythenorth> | people like pikka and mb and zephyris have made grfs that adjust the gameplay according to their vision |
| 10:45 | <andythenorth> | especially wrt costs etc |
| 10:45 | <@planetmaker> | Well, previously I also rather matched Pikka's costs / run costs (which is 0 / +2) - but overall, that's probably not the best approach |
| 10:45 | <andythenorth> | matching default costs for ships and rvs is not optimal |
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| 10:46 | <andythenorth> | ships and rvs are crippled in the original game |
| 10:46 | <andythenorth> | which is fine, because it's a train game :P |
| 10:46 | <@planetmaker> | are they? |
| 10:46 | <andythenorth> | I find them very hard to make money with |
| 10:46 | <andythenorth> | it's an assertion, unevidenced |
| 10:46 | <@planetmaker> | the AIs contradict at least the RV theory |
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| 10:47 | <@planetmaker> | some of the most successful ones only use RVs |
| 10:47 | <andythenorth> | although my response has been to make FISH much more expensive than defaults, so my argument may have gaping holes int |
| 10:47 | <@planetmaker> | and ships usually make a good profit when I use them |
| 10:47 | <andythenorth> | well I may be plain wrong |
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| 10:47 | <andythenorth> | it happens |
| 10:47 | <@planetmaker> | of course it does happen :-) |
| 10:47 | <andythenorth> | and yes, matching defaults is not a bad idea |
| 10:47 | <andythenorth> | it has the benefit of being simple and consisteny |
| 10:47 | <andythenorth> | t /s |
| 10:47 | <@planetmaker> | But default ships with default industries... usually are in for good money. Like oil from rig to refinery |
| 10:48 | * | ZirconiumX has probably ruined a sprite - in order to show something |
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| 10:48 | <@planetmaker> | andythenorth, sure enought the grf should always have the option to adjust also itself to match other than default levels, no doubt. I won't and don't want to argue there about that need |
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| 10:49 | <@planetmaker> | especially as there are so many different cost levels already :S |
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| 10:49 | <andythenorth> | I think we know the winning answer ;) |
| 10:49 | <@planetmaker> | which all claim to be "I solve the economy thing" |
| 10:49 | <@planetmaker> | yup :-P |
| 10:49 | <andythenorth> | I am currently using 1/4 costs for HEQS in my game :P |
| 10:49 | <andythenorth> | and I made the damn thing |
| 10:49 | <@planetmaker> | :-D |
| 10:50 | <@planetmaker> | Maybe I should start again trying to convince DJN that default costs should not be insane ;-) |
| 10:50 | <@planetmaker> | he has like +3/+2 or so |
| 10:50 | <@planetmaker> | it's only usable with giant maps |
| 10:50 | <@planetmaker> | the larger the map -> the larger the costs and run costs may be |
| 10:51 | <andythenorth> | I liked your idea of trying to balance against sets automatically |
| 10:51 | <andythenorth> | but it would be troubling to implement |
| 10:51 | <andythenorth> | a better way might be for suggested values |
| 10:51 | <@planetmaker> | yes, I haven't forgotten it. And to some degree... it is feasible. Also with a default of 0/0 cost settings |
| 10:51 | <andythenorth> | maybe in the description, or readme |
| 10:52 | <@planetmaker> | that could well be done additionally |
| 10:52 | <@planetmaker> | and would give some real value to the readme |
| 10:53 | * | andythenorth wishes there was an agreed standard for setting costs |
| 10:53 | <andythenorth> | but there's no way to figure one out |
| 10:53 | <andythenorth> | nor will we all agree |
| 10:53 | <andythenorth> | nor does that make good gameplay |
| 10:53 | <andythenorth> | something like cost / ton |
| 10:53 | <andythenorth> | cost / ton mile |
| 10:54 | <andythenorth> | but the results wouldn't be useful |
| 10:54 | <@planetmaker> | you need to figure at least also speed |
| 10:55 | * | ZirconiumX has ruined a sprite |
| 10:55 | <ZirconiumX> | http://www.thelumpit.net/something.png |
| 10:55 | <ZirconiumX> | something like that for salty deposits |
| 10:55 | <ZirconiumX> | ? |
| 10:55 | <andythenorth> | grime! slime! salt! sea dogs! |
| 10:55 | <andythenorth> | I'll consider it |
| 10:56 | <andythenorth> | tropic buildings have mildew :) |
| 10:56 | <andythenorth> | maybe there's a case |
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| 10:56 | * | ZirconiumX runs andythenorth-ish to english translator |
| 10:56 | <andythenorth> | I'd rather have a frozen sea |
| 10:56 | <andythenorth> | you'll be lucky |
| 10:56 | <andythenorth> | I'm english english |
| 10:56 | <ZirconiumX> | I'll consider it = It's hopeless |
| 10:56 | <andythenorth> | so I don't speak the language |
| 10:57 | <ZirconiumX> | it is though |
| 10:57 | <ZirconiumX> | IMO |
| 10:57 | <andythenorth> | put it in the FIRS thread, see what others say |
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| 11:00 | <ZirconiumX> | http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=41607&p=942748#p942748 |
| 11:00 | <ZirconiumX> | now we wait |
| 11:01 | <ZirconiumX> | for everyone to laugh at me :( |
| 11:01 | <andythenorth> | or not ;) |
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| 11:02 | <ZirconiumX> | Well - I've *ruined* your sprite - and rushed it beyond any vain hope of it looking good |
| 11:03 | <andythenorth> | it's ok |
| 11:03 | <andythenorth> | I have backups :P |
| 11:04 | <ZirconiumX> | lol |
| 11:05 | <ZirconiumX> | [CHIPS development thread] MAYO, KETCHUP, SALT + VINEGAR |
| 11:05 | <ZirconiumX> | I'm more a WORCESTER SAUCE myself |
| 11:08 | <@SmatZ> | why "hopeless" sprite? |
| 11:09 | <ZirconiumX> | because I am a feeble drawer |
| 11:10 | <ZirconiumX> | and the salt looks way too bright |
| 11:10 | <ZirconiumX> | and I've drawn it in the wrong place |
| 11:10 | <@SmatZ> | I don't see any salt there |
| 11:10 | <ZirconiumX> | my sprite |
| 11:10 | <ZirconiumX> | look at the original |
| 11:10 | <ZirconiumX> | and then look at mine |
| 11:11 | <ZirconiumX> | you should see that there are white spots |
| 11:11 | <ZirconiumX> | that's me |
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| 11:11 | <@SmatZ> | ok :) |
| 11:12 | <@planetmaker> | hm, andythenorth do fishing harbours require water or really sea? |
| 11:12 | <@planetmaker> | if it's "only" water, there's indeed a case for snowy harbours: on lakes ;-) |
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| 11:18 | <andythenorth> | planetmaker: that is a point of pain |
| 11:18 | <andythenorth> | as I have no control over that anyway |
| 11:18 | <andythenorth> | (it's that partially fixed location bug from a few months back) |
| 11:19 | <andythenorth> | 'water tile' is not a very specific thing for newgrfs |
| 11:21 | <ZirconiumX> | LOL |
| 11:21 | <ZirconiumX> | http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=51515#p916696 |
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| 11:21 | <ZirconiumX> | 7th lne |
| 11:21 | <ZirconiumX> | Line |
| 11:22 | <ZirconiumX> | To add to the list, let's remind that holding s*** while drawing a line makes it vertical/horizontal/ 45° angled. |
| 11:23 | <ZirconiumX> | he misspelt shift to *AHEM* |
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| 11:35 | <@planetmaker> | andythenorth, well, 'water' is not very specific. But IMHO it isn't wrong either to allow harbours on lakes ;-) |
| 11:36 | <@planetmaker> | but I do understand the 'need' to get more specific feed-back |
| 11:41 | <andythenorth> | planetmaker: bbl on this ;) |
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| 13:03 | <andythenorth> | favour |
| 13:04 | <andythenorth> | can anyone ping 213.133.67.181 and see if packets are lost? |
| 13:04 | <supermop> | i have no idea how to do that |
| 13:04 | <Mazur> | Does not seem like it. |
| 13:05 | <Mazur> | over 40 successful so far. |
| 13:05 | <andythenorth> | thanks |
| 13:05 | <andythenorth> | anyone else? |
| 13:05 | <Mazur> | 70 |
| 13:06 | <andythenorth> | Mazur: what's your location (country is close enough)? |
| 13:06 | <Mazur> | 75 packets transmitted, 71 received, 5% packet loss, time 75042ms |
| 13:06 | <Mazur> | NL |
| 13:06 | <andythenorth> | thanks |
| 13:06 | <Mazur> | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 23.147/28.131/70.788/6.034 ms |
| 13:06 | <Mazur> | np |
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| 13:14 | <Hendikins> | I can't help but think I should be using a dedicated server right now. I've got a game that keeps moving between my desktop and laptop. |
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| 13:48 | <CIA-1> | OpenTTD: czech - 3 changes by SmatZ |
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| 14:14 | <andythenorth> | how many menu groups in a station set is ideal? |
| 14:14 | <andythenorth> | more? |
| 14:14 | <andythenorth> | or less? |
| 14:16 | <@SmatZ> | more or less |
| 14:16 | <@SmatZ> | I think more groups is better |
| 14:16 | <@SmatZ> | if the stations are split logically |
| 14:21 | * | Hendikins ponders how hard it would be to have a wait for full load of specific cargo, for when dealing with say, passenger jets. |
| 14:22 | <__ln__> | not realistic; the passengers would complain |
| 14:22 | <@SmatZ> | aircraft always wait only for full pax, afaik |
| 14:22 | <@SmatZ> | even when set to "full load" |
| 14:24 | <Hendikins> | SmatZ: I've found they'll take off with zero pax and full mail. |
| 14:24 | <Hendikins> | I'd rather have them wait for full passengers irrespective of mail loaded (and whack on a couple of aircraft refitted for mail to soak that cargo up) |
| 14:25 | <Hendikins> | It would also be applicable to mixed trains, etc. |
| 14:25 | <@SmatZ> | Hendikins: even when you set it to "full load"? (not "full load any") |
| 14:25 | <@SmatZ> | but yeah |
| 14:25 | <@SmatZ> | maybe there's a feature request for that somewhere |
| 14:26 | <Hendikins> | SmatZ: Full load waits for mail too. |
| 14:26 | <@SmatZ> | hmhm |
| 14:29 | <Hendikins> | Both behaviours are what I would expect (wait for full load of any one cargo or both), but not what I'd be after. |
| 14:32 | <dihedral> | "We will ask for your FTP credentials and automatically transfer the latest stable ocPortal to your server over an encrypted connection." <- LOL |
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| 14:46 | <Eddi|zuHause> | <andythenorth> I don't know how long TTD production took <-- the TTO manual had a section on game development, but i don't have it anymore... i lost it a long time ago |
| 14:47 | <andythenorth> | if I tried I could probably find out |
| 14:47 | <andythenorth> | the guy who fixed my windows used to work at microprose |
| 14:47 | <andythenorth> | :P |
| 14:47 | <andythenorth> | such a glamorous life I lead |
| 14:47 | <supermop> | oooh |
| 14:48 | <supermop> | thinking of micropose makes me think of the red micropose logo fading in over the TTO theme |
| 14:49 | <andythenorth> | makes me think of the chipping sodbury mop dance |
| 14:49 | <supermop> | such an awesome song |
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| 14:59 | <@Terkhen> | :) |
| 15:01 | <__ln__> | anyone been following the news about the election in finland? |
| 15:05 | <supermop> | vaugley |
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| 15:07 | <Prof_Frink> | andythenorth: I believe this is an accurate account of the development process: http://nylon.net/ttd/bible/bible.htm |
| 15:09 | <andythenorth> | ho |
| 15:09 | <andythenorth> | probably |
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| 15:24 | <andythenorth> | I have YAPF for my ships |
| 15:24 | <andythenorth> | doesn't solve an issue with silly ships though :) |
| 15:24 | <andythenorth> | ship in a closed body of water |
| 15:24 | <andythenorth> | trying to route to a depot in another body of water, land separated |
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| 15:25 | <andythenorth> | there is no valid route to that depot |
| 15:25 | <andythenorth> | but it tries anyway :P |
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| 15:34 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i do remember this paragraph in the manual where he talked about "coding an AI that makes sensible routes" :p |
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| 15:53 | <andythenorth> | bye |
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| 16:51 | <yorick> | s/compiler/assembler/ |
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| 18:10 | <andythenorth> | evenings |
| 18:11 | <@SmatZ> | because two evenings are better than one! |
| 18:13 | <andythenorth> | if I could have two evenings for the price of one, I would be happy |
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| 18:20 | <@Terkhen> | good night |
| 18:25 | <@SmatZ> | good night Terkhen |
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| 18:39 | <Wolf01> | 'night all |
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| 18:51 | <pikka> | gentlemen |
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| 18:54 | <@SmatZ> | we got signal |
| 18:58 | <pikka> | I see the briefcase is still safe, actually. :) |
| 18:58 | <pikka> | but main screen turn on works too. |
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| 19:07 | <pikka> | I'm tired |
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| 19:08 | <pikka> | only 9.5 hours til I can go home D: |
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| 19:19 | <Lakie> | My reply ok pikka? 'tis a little vague on the specifics but should point him in the right direction? |
| 19:19 | * | Belugas supports your pain, pikka |
| 19:19 | <Lakie> | About putting random bits of code together and hoping? |
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| 19:20 | <@Belugas> | always pray when adding random bits of code... and compile first! |
| 19:20 | <Lakie> | Hehe |
| 19:20 | <@Belugas> | ...look who is talking :S |
| 19:21 | <Lakie> | To be fair, I've been hoping that those two would start trying to undertand the concepts they are using. |
| 19:21 | <Lakie> | Well, I stick random bits of code in at times, but I always make an effort to understand what its doing... |
| 19:21 | <Lakie> | Otherwise its effectively useless. :) |
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| 19:22 | <@Belugas> | quite :) |
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| 19:35 | * | Belugas goes down and starts the TV-wife time :) |
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| 19:50 | <pikka> | having a tv wife must be good :) |
| 19:52 | <DanMacK> | lol |
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| 20:15 | <Eddi|zuHause> | something doesn't compute with this turntable: www.eisenbahnstiftung.de/bg/pics/3037.jpg |
| 20:19 | <DanMacK> | :/ Interesting |
| 20:19 | <Eddi|zuHause> | location is given as "Bw Kreuzberg im Ahrtal" |
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