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01:53<andythenorth>DNS troubles somewhere?
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01:57<Markk>Morn.
01:57<Markk>Moin*
01:58<Markk>andythenorth: Seems like there was some issues with the EFNet server xs4all at 10-11 PM UTC+2 (CEST) yesterday.
01:59<Markk>And there seems to be some general stability issues. :o
01:59<andythenorth>tt-forums and openttdcoop.org are both unreachable currently
01:59<andythenorth>unusual for both to go awya
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02:15<_Terkhen_>good morning
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02:26<SilentThunder>Mornin
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04:51<@peter1138>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=54325 < That thread is illogical
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05:21<Wolf01>hello
05:26<Cursarion>hi
05:29<@Terkhen>hi Wolf01 and Cursarion
05:29<__ln__>hi Wolf01, Cursarion and Terkhen
06:02<@peter1138>hi Wolf01, Cursarion, Terkhen and __ln__
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07:06<Eddi|zuHause><peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=54325 < That thread is illogical <-- he edited his second post while i answered
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07:14<@peter1138>And it doesn't show it :S
07:14<yorick>it doesn't show it if you are within 5 minutes or so
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09:27<@Belugas>hi
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09:47<@Belugas>i hate the day after elections
09:47<@Belugas>"I won my elections" !!
09:47<@Belugas>yeah right...
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09:47<@Belugas>you are now a political man?
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09:52<@Belugas>of course not...
09:52<@Belugas>but people seem to think that voting for the winner makes them better. So they follow the polls.
09:52<@Belugas>morons...
09:58<ccfreak2k>Wait.
09:58<ccfreak2k>As a voter, I can win an election?
09:58<Markk>Yes.
09:59<Markk>Depends om country probably, but usually, yes.
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10:13<Eddi|zuHause>Belugas: it's like "We are Pope" or "We are Football Champion"
10:15<@Belugas>Eddi|zuHause, exactly
10:15<@Belugas>ccfreak2k, you can only win an election or a sport event if you are one of the actors who perform the event
10:15<Eddi|zuHause>Belugas: but maybe he bet money on the outcome of the election? :)
10:16<@Belugas>eve then, he won the bet, not the elections ;)
10:16<Eddi|zuHause>nitpicking :p
10:26<@Belugas>hehehe
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11:05<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r22414 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Fix [FS#4606]: kicking thyself via remote console crashes the server
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12:29<__ln__>poll: should rubidium watch south park s15e01?
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13:07<ZirconiumX>hello all
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14:25<andythenorth>hellos
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14:28*Alberth waves hi to andy
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14:35*andythenorth ponders
14:35<andythenorth>is it quiet because of (a) YACD (b) Portal 2 (c) other
14:35<andythenorth>?
14:36<@Alberth>I was also wondering about lack of suggestions the past 2 days
14:37<@Alberth>perhaps a holiday?
14:39<andythenorth>maybe it's done
14:39<@Yexo>wouldn't a holiday normally _increase_ the number of users?
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14:46<@Terkhen>I was quiet because of portal 2 weeks ago :P
14:51<Rubidium>andythenorth: maybe the weather isn't bad enough?
14:53<andythenorth>tt fans go outside? :o
14:53<andythenorth>I don't :P
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14:58<Rubidium>alternatively... maybe our players are aging and having jobs instead of being students (or unemployees)
14:59<andythenorth>meh
15:00*Rubidium wonders if little orudge is already hooked on *TTD*
15:00<andythenorth>over-rated
15:00<andythenorth>jobs, not TTD
15:08<andythenorth>is there a timeseries chart of bananas downloads?
15:10<@Alberth>it only goes up, as nobody ever returns his bits after use.
15:10<Rubidium>andythenorth: in what sense?
15:10<andythenorth>downloads per day (or week)
15:11<Rubidium>rbijker.net/openttd/stats.pdf (but it's somewhat out of date)
15:11<Rubidium>alternatively I could provide you with more detailed information
15:11<andythenorth>I'm just interested in usage patterns
15:12<andythenorth>is popularity of game trending up / down / flat etc
15:12<Rubidium>see the PDF ;)
15:13<Rubidium>hmm, got more information locally ;)
15:22<Rubidium>andythenorth: I've updated it for you ;)
15:24<@orudge>[19:59:59] * Rubidium wonders if little orudge is already hooked on *TTD* <-- not yet. She does rather like my iPhone, though.
15:24<Rubidium>if you want more precise bananas info, please have a place where I can dump say... 70 MiB ;)
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15:30<TheBoss>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ3Y34qbTRA&feature=feedu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ3Y34qbTRA&feature=feedu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ3Y34qbTRA&feature=feedu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ3Y34qbTRA&feature=feedu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ3Y34qbTRA&feature=feedu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ3Y34qbTRA&feature=feedu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ3Y34qbTRA&feature=feedu h
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15:33<andythenorth>Rubidium: what's the blue chart with x scale 0-23?
15:33<Rubidium>downloads per hour-of-day
15:34<andythenorth>so the general trend is 'upwards'? But there was a large spike when 1.0 was released?
15:34<Rubidium>1) downloads of binaries per day (line = 30 day average), 2) downloads of binaries per day-of-week, 3) downloads of binaries per hour of day, 4) blue is downloads, yellow 30 day average, orange in MBs of traffic (all in bananas)
15:35<Rubidium>andythenorth: exactly
15:35<Rubidium>in the first graph the major spikes are 1.0.0-beta1 and 1.0.0
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15:37<Rubidium>in the last graph the "massive" bumps/spikes are 0.7.0 (introduction of bananas in stables, you'll see a beta/rc period small bump je before that), 1.0.0-beta1 and 1.0.0
15:38<Rubidium>theoretically one can generate graph #4 for each NewGRF individually as well
15:38<Rubidium>and probably the other graphs could be made per (specific) binary
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15:38<Rubidium>just needs someone writing the right query
15:39<Rubidium>which for the bananas info is definitely dead slow because the table has no indices ;)
15:39<andythenorth>could plot it with this: http://code.google.com/apis/visualization/documentation/gallery/annotatedtimeline.html
15:40<andythenorth>although this might be more popular :P http://visapi-gadgets.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/barsofstuff/doc.html
15:40<Rubidium>;)
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16:01<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r22415 /extra/website/bananas/ (forms.py templates/bananas/managerEdit.html views.py): [Website] -Fix [FS#4486, FS#4563]: typo and make some text a bit clearer
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16:20<CIA-1>OpenTTD: frosch * r22416 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix: When action14 specified different values for the palette, the values were OR-ed. Use the last set value instead.
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16:30<CIA-1>OpenTTD: frosch * r22417 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Add: an advanced setting to specify the default palette to use for NewGRFs without action 14 palette information; this makes the default choice independent from the used base graphics and '-i' option.
16:31<andythenorth>YACD + FIRS .... still hard :D :P
16:31<andythenorth>newgrf spec for YACD?
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16:33<Rubidium>why'd that be needed?
16:33<Rubidium>either ttdp doesn't need it either, or it's already spec-ed
16:33<andythenorth>cb (on a per industry basis) to specify the cargo weightings
16:34<andythenorth>allowing individual industries to influence preference wrt near or distant industries as destinations
16:34<Rubidium>maybe better specify something about the best input ratio of the different cargos (will be useful for AIs as well)
16:35<Rubidium>like 3 coal + 1 ore is optimum, then CD might use that for better weighting/distribution
16:35<Rubidium>basically dumping the excess coal at the power stations
16:36<andythenorth>the issue I'm having is that relatively low cargo production is split into amounts that are too small for trains to make money
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16:36<andythenorth>and the game is too early for decent RVs
16:37<andythenorth>and I can't increase cargo production because I can't get a FIRS supplies chain going
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16:44<@planetmaker>the preferred cargo ration has the additional advantage that OpenTTD could display that. And save FIRS a few extra strings ;-)
16:45<andythenorth>true
16:45<@planetmaker>*ration also
16:45<andythenorth>and maybe it could use progressive disclosure...
16:45<andythenorth>(hide / show)
16:45<andythenorth>but maybe it should stay a newgrf thing
16:45*andythenorth wonders if entire industry window should be newgrf controlled
16:49<CIA-1>OpenTTD: frosch * r22418 /trunk/src/gfxinit.cpp: -Fix (r22417): Messed up the palette detection of the extra base grf.
16:49<@Alberth>why not program OpenTTD in NewGRF?
16:50<andythenorth>and why not...?
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16:55<@Yexo><andythenorth> but maybe it should stay a newgrf thing <- making the preferred input a (static) property of the newgrf means it will be possible for AIs to serve them properly
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17:33<andythenorth>good night
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17:41<@Terkhen>hmm... with YACD I need longer group names
17:45<Eddi|zuHause>i agree ;)
17:45<Eddi|zuHause>i said that a year ago :p
17:46<yorick>does GPL require attribution?
17:46<frosch123>why can't the off-topic stuff just stay in the off-topic forum...
17:47<@Terkhen>yorick: IIRC yes
17:47<@Terkhen>frosch123: I think the same :/
17:48<Eddi|zuHause>the quizz thingie?
17:48<frosch123>yup
17:48<Eddi|zuHause>i reported it as off-topic now ;)
17:49<@Terkhen>I'm finally going to use the small buses of egrvts too
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17:51<Eddi|zuHause>shunting engines etc. are rare in vehicle sets
17:51<Eddi|zuHause>but small busses are only useful if you have passenger reduction
17:52<Eddi|zuHause>the extreme masses of passengers can hardly be handled properly by big vehicles
17:53<@planetmaker>yorick: it requires attribution and to indicate your changes when you base your work on someone's else work
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17:54<@Terkhen>Eddi|zuHause: the scenario that I'm playing has lots of small towns
17:54<@Terkhen>I guess I will have to switch to normal buses later when they grow
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17:58<Eddi|zuHause>in my previous (cargodist) game, i played with 2^-4 reduction
17:58<Eddi|zuHause>that actually gives sensible amounts of passengers
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18:05<@Terkhen>let's see how this goes, I'm just starting :P
18:06<Eddi|zuHause>i'm now playing a 256x128 map, and i'm getting ridiculous amounts of passengers, compared to freight
18:07<Eddi|zuHause>and even on "high" industry setting, i'm only getting one of each (firs) industry
18:07<Eddi|zuHause>and not even the aluminium chain started up...
18:08<Twerkhoven[L]>tried multiple industries of same type per town?
18:09<@Terkhen>yes, FIRS has too many industries
18:09<@Terkhen>I agree, multiple industries of same type is a must with FIRS on small maps
18:13<yorick>planetmaker: hmm that's not so nice when concerning an addition to openttd.grf
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18:19<@Terkhen>heh, this amount of passengers is already getting a bit crazy
18:20<@planetmaker>yorick: why not?
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18:21<@planetmaker>usually a proper commit message is deemed sufficiently detailed, especially when used in conjunction with a vcs
18:22<@planetmaker>as indication of what was changed that is. Not as attribution, of course
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18:33<yorick>planetmaker: it says "just keep my name somewhere around it"
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18:36<yorick>copy paste patch desyncs when you paste a bridge with both tram and road types
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18:43<@planetmaker>"keep intact all the notices that refer to this License and to the absence of any warranty; and give any other recipients of the Program a copy of this License along with the Program." (...) and "You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change." imply you must not remove the existing copyright notices, thus not...
18:43<@planetmaker>..."somewhere around" but "where they are".
18:44<yorick>that's kindof impossible, it's a file download note :P
18:52<@Terkhen>good night
18:54<yorick>night
18:55<@planetmaker>sounds tempting. good night here, too
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21:08<Wolf01>'night
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22:33<ImNotDrunk>hello?
22:33<ImNotDrunk>where can i d/l the installer frmo? site isnt working
22:34<ImNotDrunk>anyone here?
22:36<+glx>http://de.binaries.openttd.org/binaries/releases/1.1.0/index.html
22:36<+glx>us works too
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22:55<ImNotDrunk>so i downloaded the installer and it says that it is unable to d/l the graphics and sound etc... what files should i d/l from that link you sent me?
23:11<ImNotDrunk>anyone here?
23:12<ImNotDrunk>where can i get a hold of the graphics sounds and music files since the website is down and the installer file tries to d/l from the wrbsite as well
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