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---Logopened Mon May 09 00:00:00 2011
00:28<@SmatZ>morning
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01:06<@planetmaker>moin
01:11<Rediz>morning
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02:13<andythenorth>morninh
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02:20<Eddi|zuHause>mornini
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02:27<andythenorth> "If I could have the cargo routing without the destinations chosen for me, that'd be better imo"
02:27<andythenorth>^ current prize for stupidest forum comment
02:28<Eddi|zuHause>the guy is so full of these prizes it's not funny anymore...
02:31<@Terkhen>good morning
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02:41<andythenorth>all that's needed is time travel
02:41<andythenorth>or quantum entanglement
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02:46<@Terkhen>that's easy, it only needs a GUI for deciding the destination of each cargo packet :)
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02:48<@Terkhen>or better, a popup: "Please set the destination for cargo packet #2349084"
02:49<@peter1138>yea
02:49<@peter1138>ouch
02:49<@peter1138>game pauses for each popup
02:49<@Terkhen>:D
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03:36<compi>How works the ranking if i play citybuilder?
03:37<V453000>ask the citybuilder adming I guess
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03:47<@planetmaker>citybuilder is an unpublished patch and no-one else than the server owner can tell you
03:47<@planetmaker>and that one is not here - afaik
04:05<@peter1138>*other than
04:14<andythenorth>repainting FISH is a PITA
04:14<andythenorth>but probably worth it
04:14*andythenorth back to the pixels
04:21<Eddi|zuHause>now that you told me about lighting, i think that the arc bridge in TBRS is wrong...
04:21<andythenorth>loads of things are wrong :P
04:21<andythenorth>but some of the default sprites are wrong too :)
04:21<Eddi|zuHause>but that is the only one i actually noticed
04:22<andythenorth>some things will need to be lit wrong, it will be the only way to draw certain shapes in a way that doesn't suck
04:22<andythenorth>;)
04:23<V453000>I think wrong lighting of TBRS arc bridge still broke less games than unreversible engines
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04:24<Eddi|zuHause>the majority of engines is symmetric anyway
04:24<Eddi|zuHause>wait... are you NekoMaster in disguise?
04:25<@peter1138>heh
04:25<@peter1138>bjarni's silly feature ;(
04:27<V453000>well, it completely broke UKRS GEC91 for example :) it cannot be used single headed because it has Shunting
04:27<V453000>now it cannot be used double headed either ...
04:27<@peter1138>...
04:28<V453000>can it?
04:28<Eddi|zuHause>V453000: it's a trivial change to the newgrf.
04:28<@peter1138>you're not meant to double head it
04:28<@peter1138>put a mail carriage on the end
04:29<V453000>im not putting a mail carriage to a coal train :)
04:31<Eddi|zuHause>it's not the game that is broken, then.
04:33<@peter1138>does uk railway set allow it to be flipped?
04:33<@peter1138>v2, that is
04:33<V453000>v2 is pax only
04:34<@peter1138>eh?
04:34<V453000>but I dont think it does
04:34<V453000>anyway, UKRS has nothing to do with UKRS2 imo
04:34<V453000>besides being from the same author
04:34<compi>V453000, planetmaker thanks for the answer
04:35<@peter1138>ukrs2 does certainly have freight
04:36<V453000>yes but the GEC91 isnt freight and other engines are symmetric
04:36<@peter1138>it carries freight
04:37<Mazur>So does my father when he gopes shopping.
04:37<Mazur>-p
04:37<@peter1138>herr herr
04:40<@peter1138>you can use the freightliner, or passenger carriages
04:40<@peter1138>the engine automatically flips
04:42<V453000>no, I want to use a double headed GEC 91
04:43<andythenorth>so create one in a newgrf.... ;)
04:44<@peter1138>class 90 is suitable in ukrs2
04:45*andythenorth ponders
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04:45<V453000>why do I even talk to you
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04:46<@peter1138>lol
04:46<andythenorth>he's not normally like that :o
04:46<@peter1138>unable to flip an engine == broken games? lol
04:46<@peter1138>i bet he plays with wagon speed limits off too
04:47<Eddi|zuHause>wasn't he some coop guy?
04:52<@peter1138>you can't flip the gec91 in ukrs2 cos it's a multihead engine, heh
04:53<@peter1138>i guess he is under the impression that freight 91s were always run slab-end first
04:55<@peter1138>i'm not sure they ever were used with freight
04:56<@peter1138>but this is getting into dragonhorseboy territory :p
04:57*Eddi|zuHause hardly remembers this guy
04:58<@peter1138>asks obscure rail related questions on #tycoon
04:58<@peter1138>then doesn't when a) nobody knows b) nobody cares
04:58<@peter1138>+understand
04:59<andythenorth>v453000 is normally pretty handy
05:00<andythenorth>anyway
05:00<andythenorth>time for cornish breakfast
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05:15<Mazur>time for a breadish breakfast
05:19<@peter1138>breakish cornfast
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05:26<Eddi|zuHause>fastish cornbreak?
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05:31<compi>Mazur: whats the time at your place?
05:32*peter1138 so hungry :S
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06:15<Wolf01>hello
06:16<__ln__>Wolf01: so predictable
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07:16<Ammler>yacd is MP stable
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07:20<Ammler>michi_cc: now, you can make yais :-)
07:20<@peter1138>:S
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09:05<@Belugas>hello
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09:56<Eddi|zuHause>"lower saxony 'outsources' its WWII-bomb-diffusing department"
09:58<@planetmaker>do they ship the old amunition it to a 3rd-world country now?
09:59<Eddi|zuHause>http://www.taz.de/1/politik/deutschland/artikel/1/bombenentschaerfung-bald-privat/
10:00<@planetmaker>it opens up certainly new trade opportunities.
10:00<@planetmaker>Maybe there are also special deals for prospective terrorists
10:00<__ln__>i guess they choose the company that offers the cheapest price
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10:01<@planetmaker>certainly
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12:02<supermop>good afternoon
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12:13<ChoHag_>Can I forcibly replace an airport with a larger one?
12:14<andythenorth>not magically
12:14<andythenorth>delete, rebuild
12:14<ChoHag_>All the pesky little villages refuse to allow me to replace the entire bloody village with an airport.
12:14<Sacro>you can do anything you want given enough force
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12:15<ChoHag_>Is there an editor which will let me ignore the paper pushing local authorities?
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12:42<Rubidium>ChoHag_: yes, for example MSVC has been proven a fine editor for going around the game's rules
12:46<__ln__>Sacro: the dark side of the force you speak of?
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12:56<LordAro>gah, my crontab is not working...
13:01<@planetmaker>good evening
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13:14<Sacro>__ln__: perhaps
13:16<__ln__>is there still some country in the world where slavery is not abolished?
13:17<andythenorth>many
13:17<@Belugas>yes, canada. I'm a slave at home and at work
13:18<__ln__>i see
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14:37<@Belugas>happiness is slavery
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14:51<@Alberth>I don't think I want to know how you reached that conclusion :p
14:52<andythenorth>babies are slavery :P
14:54<@Alberth>but babies are happiness ?
14:55<andythenorth>no
14:55<andythenorth>babies are joy
14:55<@planetmaker>thus the circle closes
14:55<andythenorth>not happiness
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14:56<@peter1138>happiness in slavery
14:56<andythenorth>http://shinybrite.wordpress.com/2010/07/08/new-york-all-joy-and-no-fun-why-parents-hate-parenting/
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15:04<@Belugas>IN ? ho... i was sure it was IS
15:06*Belugas goes back to Portishead - Machine Gun
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15:21<__ln__>do hungarians speak some non-hungarian language? (from a tourist's point of view)
15:22<andythenorth>some german
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15:24<andythenorth>Belugas: http://www.lighthouse-duo.net/lh1/Battery%20Point/Battery%20Point.html
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15:53<andythenorth>this might be a valid issue: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=945567#p945567
15:55<@Alberth>it's entirely based on the need to be realistic, how is that valid?
15:55<Rubidium>how can it be realistic when the map isn't realistic
15:55<Rubidium>he's like transporting food in trucks from the north pole to the south pole... no wonder it takes too long
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16:29<CIA-1>OpenTTD: terkhen * r22440 /trunk/src/os/windows/win32.cpp: -Change: [Windows] Remove Cancel button from information messages.
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16:32<andythenorth>I could add parameters per cargo to set decay rate etc
16:32<andythenorth>@calc 3*31
16:32<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: 93
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16:39<@Alberth>andythenorth: 3*3 and 3*1 are too difficult already?
16:39<andythenorth>he
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16:44<frosch123>night
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17:29<@Terkhen>good night
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18:07<ChoHag_>Can I force a town to grow? I'm trying to test things out and I need large towns.
18:07<Eddi|zuHause>in the scenario editor
18:08<ChoHag_>Can I get to that from within an existing game?
18:08<@Yexo>save game, rename *.sav to *.scn, load in scenario editor
18:08<Eddi|zuHause>yes, but do you really need that?
18:09<ChoHag_>Well I've already set up the tracks I want to play around with.
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19:18<Eddi|zuHause><__ln__> do hungarians speak some non-hungarian language? (from a tourist's point of view) <-- around Balaton you find plenty of german, towards Budapest rather not as commonly
19:19<Eddi|zuHause>i'm fairly certain it's the same with english
19:20<Eddi|zuHause>are there any other relevant touristic regions?
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20:42<Eddi|zuHause>here's something i don't understand: in the 1850's and 1860's, the democratic party was pro slavery and the (newly founded) republican party was contra slavery. today, the republican party is the party of "rich white guys", while the democratic party has the first black president. what happened?
20:43<supermop>they are essentially not the same parties
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20:49<Eddi|zuHause>supermop: that is not much of an explanation
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