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---Logopened Thu Jun 30 00:00:36 2011
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00:22<SaintMacintosh>hey who knows ai scripting and squirrel?
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00:28<SaintMacintosh>any one here?
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01:36<SaintMacintosh>does any one know NoAI and squirrel?
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02:44<SaintMacintosh>hello
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02:48<SaintMacintosh>hello
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03:09<@Terkhen>good morning
03:13<lord-carlos>stupid game .. it's 9AM and i am still awake >.>
03:16<@Terkhen>:)
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05:07<@planetmaker>good day
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05:44<wiggy>hi all
05:45<fjb>Moin
05:45<wiggy>hows things?
05:48<@planetmaker>g'day
05:53<wiggy>does anyone know if the 2010 version of visual c++ express can be used to compile openttd as the 2008 one doesnt seem to be available any more
05:54<@peter1138>try it
05:55<wiggy>im going to but need to download it and didnt want to waste time and bandwidth if it wasnt going to work thats all
05:56<Sacro>wiggy: should be fine
05:56<Sacro>same compiler
05:56<wiggy>cheers sacro
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06:17<@Terkhen>wiggy: yes, it can be used
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06:53<Wolf01>hello
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06:58<@Terkhen>hi Wolf01
07:06<Eddi|zuHause>the TOC of the callback page is totally confusing
07:07<Eddi|zuHause>better if the numbers are disabled in the TOC
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07:38<Ammler>ap_cmd rescan_newgrf
07:38<Ammler>[2011-06-30 11:35:55] dbg: [misc] The file 'content_download/data/AveiMils_PIGM-0.3.tar' isn't a valid tar-file
07:38<Ammler>delete the files and try again?
07:40<Ammler>looks like an old file
07:41<__ln__>off-topic: gibt es weihnachtsmarkten und glühwein in der schweiz?
07:41<@peter1138>udp or tcp?
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07:42<Ammler>__ln__: yes, but of course not that big as in Germany
07:42<__ln__>ok
07:43<Ammler>kinda relative to the city size :-)
07:43<Ammler>and our biggest city has 400k, so you can imagine yourself :-P
07:45<Ammler>peter1138: question to me? we use content command to download stuff
07:46<@peter1138>question for anyone
07:46<Ammler>ok, then yes :-P
07:47<__ln__>anyone? ok, in that case i meant tcp glühwein
07:54<Eddi|zuHause>i'll take TCP Glühwein as well
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08:14<Eddi|zuHause>"lower saxony's 'police vulture' program to use birds instead of sniffer dogs to find bodies doesn't 'take off' as expected" :p
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08:34<Eddi|zuHause>http://www.zackenbahn.de/images/fahrzeuge/et87/et87_tz.jpg <-- anyone can decipher these numbers?
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08:39<Eddi|zuHause>@calc (42520-10750)/2
08:39<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: 15885
08:39<Eddi|zuHause>@calc 10750/24000
08:39<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: 0.447916666667
08:39<Eddi|zuHause>@calc 10750/24000*16
08:39<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: 7.16666666667
08:40<Eddi|zuHause>@calc 15885/24000*16
08:40<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: 10.59
08:41<Eddi|zuHause>@calc 10750/26000*16
08:41<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: 6.61538461538
08:41<Eddi|zuHause>@calc 15885/26000*16
08:41<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: 9.77538461538
08:42<Eddi|zuHause>hm, could do 10+8+10 and cheat a little with the length?
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08:49<lugo>German Signals v0.4 has an aligment error with PBS semaphores; at least the version i get from bananas/forums
08:49<lugo>anyone know of a fixed version? :)
08:53<Sacro>check bananas/forums?
08:59<lugo>yeah, it's the same file...
09:01*lugo wonders why noone told the author
09:01*lugo will have to grave digg
09:07<Eddi|zuHause>hm, i don't think i understand blender...
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10:00<lugo>Thanks Eddi|zuHause :)
10:02<Eddi|zuHause>lugo: it's actually a really old bug from nsignalsw, which probably was just copy-pasted
10:04<Eddi|zuHause>check this image from 2006: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/nsignalswbugbig.png
10:04<Eddi|zuHause>i have no idea if that was ever fixed, thoug
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13:10<ZirconiumX>Hello all
13:11<ZirconiumX>Is the fact that the server is moving the reason why there are no Mac binaries?
13:12<+glx>probably yes
13:15<ZirconiumX>explains everything
13:15*ZirconiumX promptly waits
13:15<ZirconiumX>still no binary
13:15*ZirconiumX throws tantrum
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13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: translators * r22612 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/ (basque.txt thai.txt):
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: basque - 7 changes by Thadah
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: thai - 18 changes by nirakanz
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14:16<Ashiren>good evening
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14:17<Ashiren>is there any detailed server cheker for php/python? mostly online/offline status but other info like users number would be cool too
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14:22<Ammler>Ashiren: there are some libs for, but no complete app
14:23<Ammler>at least for python and java
14:23<Ashiren>i see
14:23<Ashiren>but simple status checker is available?
14:23<Ashiren>the only one i found parses the server list tab
14:23<Ammler>https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/admintools
14:23<Ashiren>thank you
14:23<Ammler>the pyhton lib is on bitcket, afaik
14:24<Ammler>bitbucket*
14:25<Ammler>Ashiren: we use openttdlib, a php app which is not using the new interface
14:25<Ammler>e.g. www.openttdcoop.org/servers/stable
14:25<Ammler>or s/stable/p{s,z}/
14:30<Ashiren>i appreciate your help
14:30<Ashiren>bye
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14:34<andythenorth>evenings
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15:08<Wolf01>hello
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17:20<Eddi|zuHause>he forgot the call-operator
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17:28<Wolf01>'night
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17:38<@Terkhen>good night
17:39<Eddi|zuHause>wtf? there's a "DB XL 1.0" on bananas :p
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17:52<Hirundo>OpenTTD tells me the grf is already on my pc
17:52<Hirundo>"DB Set, gefunden im Netz. Credits gehen an den Author, leider kann ich nicht sagen wer das ist."
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17:59<Eddi|zuHause>sounds highly suspicious
17:59<supermop>ha
18:04<Eddi|zuHause>but i thought bananas rejects all "known" grf-ids?
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18:07<Hirundo>where does it look for such 'known' grfids?
18:07<@planetmaker>data and content_download/data
18:08<@planetmaker>but bananas does not reject all 'known' grfs
18:08<@planetmaker>actually none. Except those whose grfID is already uploaded
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18:08<@planetmaker>and dbxl IS uploaded
18:08<@planetmaker>but just made unavailable to all, thus blocked
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18:09<@planetmaker>others had that bright idea before this current occurance
18:09<Eddi|zuHause>i was once told all mb-ids got "banned", because people frequently uploaded them
18:09<@planetmaker>Eddi|zuHause: yes, they actually are. By having them due to those actions already there.
18:09<@planetmaker>and double grfID doesn't work
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18:10<Ammler>stupid bananas rule
18:10<Eddi|zuHause>planetmaker: so how can this happen?
18:13<@planetmaker>Eddi|zuHause: dunno. Other grfID?
18:13<Eddi|zuHause>planetmaker: but why would it then say the grf already is downloaded?
18:14<@planetmaker>maybe it is the grfID of a manually added grf?
18:14<@planetmaker>I haven't tested it nor can I right now
18:15<Eddi|zuHause>the download window doesn't say the grfid/md5sum
18:15<Eddi|zuHause>and it's not on binaries.openttd.org
18:16<@planetmaker>not yet probably. It's not immediately synced
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18:21<Ammler>or an older version not available anymore
18:22<Eddi|zuHause>@calc 282133/1024
18:22<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: 275.520507812
18:23<Ammler>Rubidium: published from time to time a list with grfids
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19:26<Eddi|zuHause>"Bundestag [german parliament] decides shutdown of all nuclear power stations until 2022 with vast majority"
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19:52<DanMacK>Hey All
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20:19<caracal>so why would i see four vehicles in the "Available Vehicles" list, but only one when i click "New Vehicle" in a depot?
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20:35<@planetmaker>caracal: because they're available for a different track / road type?
20:35<@planetmaker>a depot is always associated with one type only
20:36<caracal>well, from the road vehicles list i select Available and see four types of road vehicle, but when i build a depot i see only one
20:37<caracal>not sure how to "activate" the others, since there's only one road type and one depot type that i know of
20:37<@planetmaker>trams?
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20:43<caracal>two kinds of tram and one "streetcar"
20:43<caracal>appear in the "available road vehicles" list, but not available for building at a depot
20:44<caracal>only the ford model t bus
20:46<caracal>do i need to lay track for those or something?
20:52<caracal>bah, and i just satisfied the requirements of a subsidy, but didn't get it ... cheat!
20:56<caracal>huh, and a new tram type just appeared, and is now in the avail list, but i still can't buy them
20:57<caracal>clearly there's something about trams i don't understand
21:13<caracal>ahhhh ... it's a submenu off the road-building button
21:20<caracal>well that works much better <g>
21:24<lugo>iirc, subsidies work in one direction only, or at least the establishment of it
21:25<lugo>so if town a to town b is subsidised you need to make sure that your vehicle starts in town a, in order to instantly get the subidy
21:28<caracal>this was livestock from a farm to a food processing plant
21:28<caracal>which can go in only one direction anyway
21:28<caracal>built the line, delivered several loads, then the subsidy expired
21:29<caracal>i call bug <grin>
21:29<lugo>heh :)
21:33<caracal>i thought i'd seen a subsidy bug earlier, with passengers, but i realized i had inserted an intermediate stop between the source and destination, so even though passengers were being delivered, they weren't passengers from the correct origin city
21:33<caracal>but this is a straight two-station line, hard to see how that could get messed up
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