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---Logopened Mon Oct 24 00:00:03 2011
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02:20<FFLaguna>Is there a keyboard shortcut to DELETE a signal while the signal tool is selected?
02:20<FFLaguna>It's annoying to click and back forth between bulldozer button when adjusting signals :(
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02:22<Noldo>might be r
02:26<FFLaguna>Ohhhhhh YEAH :D
02:26<FFLaguna>You just saved me a LOT of annoyance!!
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02:28<Terkhen>good morning
02:29<Terkhen>FFLaguna: OpenGFX+ Industries lets you customize which default industry chains you want to use
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03:17<planetmaker>moin
03:20<Terkhen>hi planetmaker
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06:51<Arafangion>Simutrans on the iPhone is a joke, also.
06:54<@peter1138>oh?
06:54<Arafangion>Lets just say that bridges were the least of my difficulties.
06:55<@peter1138>dunno
06:55<@peter1138>been about 6 years since i played it
06:55<Arafangion>Well, it was a stupid port.
06:55<Arafangion>Imagine the iphone.
06:55<Arafangion>Now, just *port* the entire thing as-is, with zero UI changes.
06:56<Arafangion>The thing didn't even scroll like an iphone app.
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07:22<Eddi|zuHause>is it really necessary to have both VT95 and VT98 in core?
07:24<@peter1138>ooh
07:24<@peter1138>shall i go to see katie price book signing?
07:24<@peter1138>can i resist?
07:26<@peter1138>Eddi|zuHause, yes, you need every possible engine
07:27<planetmaker>:-P hence asking for 'core' ;-)
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07:28<@Celestar>*waves*
07:29<planetmaker>o_O
07:29<planetmaker>hello Celestar
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07:30<__ln__>hællo Celestar
07:30<Celestar>how'S stuff ?
07:31<@peter1138>woah, celestar
07:31<Celestar>\o peter1138
07:31<Celestar>good to see it'S still basically the same troop :D
07:41<planetmaker>kinda :-)
07:42<Celestar>any everyone's life's still the same? :P
07:43<planetmaker>I guess not ;-)
07:43<Celestar>hrhr
07:45<Celestar>and what
07:45<Celestar>and what's the big news in the Openttd world?
07:47<Eddi|zuHause>lots of little news
07:48<Celestar>I should try it out again I guess :)
07:48<Celestar>haven't gotten around to playing for like 6 months.
07:55<planetmaker>I guess nothing revolutionary got added since then
07:55<Eddi|zuHause>several small newgrf additions, that won't show immediately if you use no such newgrf
07:58<Celestar>nice
07:58<TrueBrain>what?! A Celestar here?!
07:59<TrueBrain>this I cannot believe ...
07:59<Celestar>Sound like Yoda you do
07:59*TrueBrain hugs Celestar deeply
07:59*Celestar hugs back
07:59<TrueBrain>what brings you here? :)
07:59<Celestar>nothing special.
08:00<Celestar>remembering good old times where I spent work days coding openttd? :P
08:00<TrueBrain>:D:D:D
08:00<TrueBrain>the good old days :P
08:00<Celestar>lmao
08:00<Celestar>maybe they'll return at some point :P
08:01<TrueBrain>ghehe
08:01<z-MaTRiX>hi
08:01<z-MaTRiX>someone knows squid?
08:02<TrueBrain>those animals in the sea?
08:02<Celestar>..proxy?
08:02<TrueBrain>(and Celestar, no, nothing changed, people still query about all questions in this channel :D)
08:03<Celestar>rofl
08:03<planetmaker>and still ask meta questions ;-)
08:03<@peter1138>yeah, work days coding openttd, they were fun
08:03<Celestar>indeed ...
08:04<Celestar>peter1138: not coding anymore? ;)
08:04<z-MaTRiX>yeah proxy animal
08:04<z-MaTRiX>:)
08:04<z-MaTRiX>trying to redirect, but it only rewrites request url
08:05<z-MaTRiX>my rewriter gives 302:url back and it doe not work right
08:06<@peter1138>Celestar, not a lot
08:09<Celestar>I know what you're talking about.
08:09<Celestar>Things are weird once you have a life
08:09<__ln__>"a life", is that some newgrf or something?
08:10<planetmaker>it's called openttd3D in other discussions
08:11<TrueBrain>planetmaker: no, VOXELS
08:11<TrueBrain>or cubics?
08:11<TrueBrain>I forgot ..
08:13<heffer>Ammler: you got any RPM spec for NML yet by any chance?
08:16<@Yexo>heffer: trunk opengfx needs trunk nml. There will be an nml release before the next opengfx release
08:16<heffer>good stuff :)
08:16<heffer>i was just looking for a rpm spec file i can use to base my spec for fedora off :)
08:23<Celestar>Yexo :)
08:27<@Yexo>welcome back Celestar :)
08:27<Celestar>thanks :)
08:27<Celestar>... why is my ping 27 seconds O_o
08:28<TrueBrain>stop using pidgeons as transmission protocol?
08:30<Celestar>it'S called UMTS, but yeah, same thing really.
08:37<planetmaker>heffer, it's part of the repo: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/entry/.devzone/build/nml.spec
08:37<planetmaker>http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/LATEST/rpms/ <-- resulte
08:37<planetmaker>-e
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08:45<Eddi|zuHause>mäh... i think i'm at the limit of the preprocessor...
08:46<planetmaker>hm?
08:46<Eddi|zuHause>i need to preprocess the left side of a #define
08:46<planetmaker>errm...
08:46<Eddi|zuHause>so i can "#define VEH_ID(capacity_switch) CAPACITY"
08:47<Eddi|zuHause>and it must be evaluated to "#define DB_VT12capacity_switch capacity_80_switch"
08:47<Eddi|zuHause>before actually getting #defined
08:48<TrueBrain>#define VEH_ID(x) DB_VT12 # x
08:48<TrueBrain>#define CAPACITY capacity_80_switch
08:48<TrueBrain>done!
08:49<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: that's what currently is defined, but that won't work.
08:50<TrueBrain>haha, no, it wont :)
08:50<TrueBrain>you can't evaluate the left side in a define
08:50<TrueBrain>by definition you cant :)
08:50<Eddi|zuHause>i know
08:50<TrueBrain>(as you are defining it ... :P)
08:50<Eddi|zuHause>but i have to!
08:50<TrueBrain>I think you need a better solutio n;)
08:50<TrueBrain>no clue what you are doing, but it sounds dirty and very wrong
08:51<Eddi|zuHause>nml is too stup^W limited
08:52<Eddi|zuHause>if i do "VEH_ID(capacity_switch) = CAPACITY;" it complains "this cannot be assigned to a parameter"
08:52<Eddi|zuHause>nml needs named constants
08:53<Eddi|zuHause>(CAPACITY evaluates to the name of a switch)
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09:10<@Belugas>hello
09:11<z-MaTRiX>printf '%s\n' "$teststr" | sed -re 's;.*google.[^/\.]+/url?[^\&]*q=([^\&]+).*;\1;' | while IFS= read -d '' -r -n1 c; do [[ $c = % ]] && { read -n2 hex; printf \\x"$hex"; } || printf '%s' "$c"; done | sed 's;.*;303:&;'
09:11<z-MaTRiX>made this to be squid url_rewrite app and now google redirection is evaluated onthefly
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09:16<Ammler>heffer: it is part of the repo or you can use the one from suse: https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=nml&project=home%3Aopenttdcoop
09:16<Eddi|zuHause>http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/670/ <-- need someone who understans magic...
09:16<Ammler>heffer: also nml is available from pypi
09:17<Celestar>yo Belugas :)
09:17<Eddi|zuHause>purpose should be: go backwards in vehicle chaing, step size 3: find first vehicle with ID>128
09:18<Eddi|zuHause>a) i don't know whether that does actually do that
09:18<Eddi|zuHause>b) i wonder if it could be simplified
09:18<@Belugas>ho, the Celestar man :) hello sir. nice seeing yuou coming down frm the clouds ;)
09:18<Celestar>:D
09:18<Eddi|zuHause>c) or better put into a procedure
09:18<Celestar>the clouds?
09:18<Ammler>heffer: the spec should be completely compatible to fedora, if not, please report :-)
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09:27<@Belugas>Clouds as an expression pointing out to your job
09:27<@Belugas>unless you've changed sinc last time ;)
09:33<andythenorth>hola
09:35<Celestar>good question.
09:35<Celestar>when was last time :D
09:35<z-MaTRiX>ahaha
09:35<z-MaTRiX>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_NMxazFqCA&feature=related
09:45<@Belugas>hem... it was... a long time ago?
09:47<Celestar>yeah.
09:47<Celestar>pretty
09:48<@Belugas>a year ago?
09:49<@Belugas>maybe two...
09:49<@Belugas>can't tell
09:49<__ln__>10 days ago: <@DorpsGek> Celestar was last seen in #openttd 39 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 10 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <Celestar> hahah
09:49<@Belugas>but.. are you still in aerospatial industry?
09:49<Celestar>hm.
09:53<TrueBrain>he is not allowed to say :D
09:54<planetmaker>dress code: black hat, trench coat and black sun glasses now? :-P
09:57<Celestar>not really.
09:57<Celestar>I'm more like devving software :P
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10:00<Eddi|zuHause>so when's your next openttd patch coming? :)
10:01<Eddi|zuHause>mäh, my code is definitely not working...
10:04<planetmaker>yeah... I heart that Celestar has a few new OpenTTD projects coming. Can't have heart wrong, can I? :-P (Or did I dream?)
10:04<Celestar>rofl.
10:04<Celestar>I guess all my patches are vs revision 13xxx :P
10:04<Celestar>i.e. futterly useless :D
10:04<planetmaker>hehe
10:05<@Belugas>you've always been in software???
10:05<Eddi|zuHause>we need something evil with parallelization :p
10:06<planetmaker>I need a clue why the first hunk is actually needed (used in the last hunk only): http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/grid/150_add_grid_rail.diff
10:10<planetmaker>which all relies on http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/grid/100_draw_gridlines.diff
10:21<Celestar>Belugas: no
10:21<Celestar>Belugas: but I'll tell ye the story later on.
10:21<Celestar>gotta haul my butt to town
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10:43<Trojanin>hi APTX|
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10:56<@Belugas>ho... a story!
10:56<@Belugas>cool
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11:09<heffer>anyone want to fix the nml doc files directions.png, index.html and old-callbacks.html having executable permissions? :D
11:09<heffer>my rpmlint is crying :D
11:11<@peter1138>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EnYMtNlKwQ < tee hee
11:18<MINM>...owned
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11:23<planetmaker>I made a note on that, heffer
11:24<heffer>planetmaker: thx
11:29<Ammler>heffer: you build head?
11:30<heffer>yes for now
11:30<Ammler>hmm, I thought that was fixed
11:30<heffer>i'm afk for an hour or so :) need to get groceries
11:30<Ammler>maybe some windows guy committed again new bugs ;-)
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13:40<@Yexo>Eddi|zuHause: LOAD_TEMP(0)<128?LOAD_TEMP(0):STORE_TEMP(-6, 0x10F) <- that probably doesn't work as you expect it to work
13:40<@Yexo>the STORE_TEMP(-6, 0x10F) is always executed
13:42<@Yexo>if you really want conditional execution of that you'll have to write multiple switch-blocks yourself
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13:51<Wolf01>'ing
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14:27<@Belugas>anyone that can recommand a small midi foot controler? kind like 3-4 switches? Boss FC300 and Behringher FCB1010 are too big for what i need
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16:05<Wolf01>'night
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16:55<planetmaker>g'night
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18:18<Eddi|zuHause>ini: invalid value 'weekly' for 'gui.autosave' <-- we need better handling of this. currently it disables autosave completely, instead of choosing a default value of "monthly"
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18:22<Eddi|zuHause>someone pray that my reboot works...
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18:29<Eddi|zuHause>it's alive!
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20:47<Eddi|zuHause>kernel: [3308222.895852] ata1.00: device reported invalid CHS sector 0 <-- err, do i have to worry?
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21:31<z-MaTRiX>Eddi|zuHause<< well you could do a full test using smartctl
21:32<z-MaTRiX>having some similar things with a 3 year old samsung 400GB PATA
21:32<z-MaTRiX>was going 24/7
21:32<Eddi|zuHause> DMA: mdma0 mdma1 *mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 udma5 <-- that doesn't look right either
21:32<z-MaTRiX>drivenotready seekcomplete errors
21:32<z-MaTRiX>do you have ata133 cable?
21:33<z-MaTRiX>old 40wire cables doesnt support UDMA
21:33<Eddi|zuHause>it's an 80 wire cable
21:33<Eddi|zuHause>and it used to do UDMA
21:34<Eddi|zuHause>up to the above error
21:34<z-MaTRiX>then badsectors?
21:34<Eddi|zuHause>which was apparently 3 days ago
21:34<Eddi|zuHause>no, it's just slower than usual
21:34<z-MaTRiX>smart may tell whats goung on
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21:34<Eddi|zuHause>at least from what i can tell
21:34<z-MaTRiX>maybe its dieing
21:35<Eddi|zuHause>smartctl not saying anything interesting
21:35<z-MaTRiX>smartctl -a /dev/sda
21:36<Eddi|zuHause>yes, that one
21:36<z-MaTRiX>reallocated sector cound?
21:36<z-MaTRiX>Hardware_ECC_Recovered ?
21:37<Eddi|zuHause> 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 199 199 140 Pre-fail Always - 1
21:37<z-MaTRiX>that means badsector
21:37<z-MaTRiX>disc is rotting
21:37<Eddi|zuHause>doesn't have Hardware_ECC_Recovered
21:37<Eddi|zuHause>"1" is hardly an alarming figure
21:38<Eddi|zuHause>i mean, the drive is really old
21:38<Eddi|zuHause>something 8 years-ish
21:38<z-MaTRiX>well doesn mean much, my samsung seems to hide every reallocation
21:38<z-MaTRiX>only using for temp storage for videos with md5sum
21:38<Eddi|zuHause> 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 036 036 000 Old_age Always - 47436
21:39<z-MaTRiX>haha
21:39<z-MaTRiX>more than mine
21:39<z-MaTRiX>Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 32068
21:39<Eddi|zuHause>@calc 47436/24/365
21:39<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: 5.41506849315
21:39<z-MaTRiX>Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 4373817
21:39<z-MaTRiX>and this means something noncool too
21:39<Eddi|zuHause>100 means everything is alright
21:40<z-MaTRiX>UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 2
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21:40<z-MaTRiX>well it may be allright for samsung but not me
21:40<z-MaTRiX>has some things like this in report
21:40<z-MaTRiX>84 51 78 47 2b 40 e7 Error: ICRC, ABRT 120 sectors at LBA = 0x07402b47 = 121645895
21:41<z-MaTRiX>Extended offline Completed: read failure 90% 14303 30159187
21:41<z-MaTRiX>but its magically gone...
21:41<z-MaTRiX>not reallocated
21:45<z-MaTRiX>never abused
21:45<z-MaTRiX>roomtemp
21:45<z-MaTRiX>low power on cycles
21:52<z-MaTRiX>anyway you should get hitachi if you want quality
21:53<z-MaTRiX>they have new superior technology since 2010
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21:57<z-MaTRiX>dont know if a power out can cause this during a read
21:57<z-MaTRiX>40 51 0c 11 60 c4 e9 Error: UNC 12 sectors at LBA = 0x09c46011 = 163864593
21:57<z-MaTRiX>but probably
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