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| 01:52 | <@planetmaker> | moin |
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| 02:56 | <@peter1138> | Eddi|zuHause2, http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/enginepurchaseinfo.diff |
| 03:00 | <@peter1138> | oh *above* the other text :p |
| 03:00 | <@planetmaker> | below, right above the buttons is better IMHO ;-) |
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| 03:10 | <@Terkhen> | good morning |
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| 03:19 | <appe> | morning. |
| 03:21 | <@planetmaker> | hello appe |
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| 03:25 | <dihedral> | hello |
| 03:26 | <@planetmaker> | hi dihedral |
| 03:26 | <__ln___> | good beforenoon |
| 03:30 | <@peter1138> | planetmaker, either way is easy :) |
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| 03:31 | <@planetmaker> | whereever, it's a good idea for articulated vehicles in particular |
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| 06:23 | <Eddi|zuHause> | peter1138: now add some magic that it can adjust to drawing larger sprites (with higher detail) :) |
| 06:25 | <@peter1138> | Eddi|zuHause, it doesn't care |
| 06:25 | <Eddi|zuHause> | peter1138: yes, but the gui should resize properly |
| 06:25 | <@peter1138> | well, height-wise it does, but i gave it 2x space |
| 06:25 | <@peter1138> | width-wise it should be centred |
| 06:26 | <@peter1138> | and yes i was thinking as i wrote it that it could already adapt it for EZ |
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| 06:32 | <andythenorth> | quak |
| 06:32 | <frosch123> | moin |
| 06:33 | <Eddi|zuHause> | mäh |
| 06:35 | <@planetmaker> | muh |
| 06:37 | <@Terkhen> | hi |
| 06:40 | <@peter1138> | http://thehairpin.com/2011/11/women-struggling-to-drink-water |
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| 06:46 | <Eddi|zuHause> | photoshop! |
| 06:48 | * | andythenorth -> writes html |
| 06:49 | <andythenorth> | with inline styles |
| 06:51 | <@peter1138> | nasty |
| 06:51 | <@peter1138> | andythenorth, make some preview sprites |
| 06:51 | <@peter1138> | well, purchase info |
| 06:51 | <andythenorth> | eh? |
| 06:51 | <andythenorth> | spec / screenie... |
| 06:52 | <@peter1138> | um, i only have a diff :S |
| 06:52 | <@planetmaker> | var 0x10, type 22 |
| 06:52 | <@planetmaker> | or something like that |
| 06:52 | <@peter1138> | yes |
| 06:52 | <@planetmaker> | extra purchase view sprite |
| 06:52 | <@planetmaker> | like extra purchase view text |
| 06:52 | <andythenorth> | bah |
| 06:52 | <andythenorth> | yet another newgrf feature I haven't had time to implement :P |
| 06:52 | <andythenorth> | this is fun :) |
| 06:53 | <@planetmaker> | well, not even existing yet ;-) |
| 06:53 | <@peter1138> | you've had 4 hours |
| 07:00 | <frosch123> | should it have some actiion 0 flag to enable it? |
| 07:00 | <frosch123> | it might look pointless for normal vehicles |
| 07:01 | <@peter1138> | frosch123, i was wondering about that, but wanted to keep it simple as a test |
| 07:01 | <frosch123> | otoh, it might look more consistent if the selection is always shown |
| 07:01 | <@peter1138> | also i wouldn't have any way to make sure it displayed it properly without making a test grf :) |
| 07:01 | <frosch123> | :p |
| 07:02 | <frosch123> | though if it autosizes in y direction, it would always be inconsistent |
| 07:02 | <@peter1138> | it doesn't, it gets a static vehicle height |
| 07:03 | <@peter1138> | selected only by type, not model |
| 07:05 | <@peter1138> | hmm, the yate cargo ship in opengfx is too long |
| 07:06 | <frosch123> | all ships are too long |
| 07:06 | <@peter1138> | well |
| 07:06 | <@peter1138> | the originals fit in the purchase list :) |
| 07:07 | <@peter1138> | hmm, aircraft are too wide tooo |
| 07:08 | <@peter1138> | even the originals don't all fit there :) |
| 07:09 | <@peter1138> | i could always set up a DPI to crop them ;) |
| 07:10 | <frosch123> | make them autosize, and the ignore the SETX from the names :p |
| 07:10 | <@peter1138> | some use spaces, no? |
| 07:10 | <@peter1138> | well |
| 07:11 | <@peter1138> | autosize..hmm.. |
| 07:11 | <frosch123> | if, then they are broken anyway |
| 07:11 | <@peter1138> | problem is size can vary by year |
| 07:11 | <frosch123> | afaik we also autosize the ship and aircraft depot cells |
| 07:12 | <frosch123> | peter1138: the the grf shall supply sufficient transparency to make the sprites have the same size |
| 07:12 | <@peter1138> | erm, right |
| 07:12 | <@peter1138> | of course |
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| 07:16 | <andythenorth> | autosize depot cells! |
| 07:16 | <andythenorth> | :o |
| 07:16 | <andythenorth> | :) |
| 07:16 | <andythenorth> | how about 'fix articulated RVs are a raging mess in depot etc' |
| 07:16 | <andythenorth> | ? |
| 07:16 | <andythenorth> | :) |
| 07:17 | <frosch123> | andythenorth: just implement a train-like depot for rv |
| 07:17 | <andythenorth> | hmm |
| 07:18 | <andythenorth> | someone did a rough patch for that |
| 07:18 | <andythenorth> | proof of concept |
| 07:18 | <andythenorth> | it's funny how someone never gets anything useful done |
| 07:18 | <Eddi|zuHause> | imho the grf should just provide a property how wide it wishes the purchase sprites to be |
| 07:19 | <andythenorth> | but someone has often done half a patch that cannot be found |
| 07:22 | <@planetmaker> | Eddi|zuHause: within limits, please |
| 07:23 | <@planetmaker> | or I'll request 640px :-P |
| 07:23 | <yorick> | are there any plans to upgrade noai from squirrel 2.2.x to 3.0.x? |
| 07:23 | <frosch123> | no |
| 07:23 | <@planetmaker> | currently not |
| 07:23 | <yorick> | ok, thanks :) |
| 07:23 | <@planetmaker> | yw |
| 07:23 | <frosch123> | 3.0 is incompatible to 2.x in many places |
| 07:24 | <frosch123> | so, most ais would break |
| 07:24 | <andythenorth> | hmm |
| 07:24 | <andythenorth> | I thought they'd solved this as experimental error http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15791236 |
| 07:25 | <frosch123> | andythenorth: maybe the software evaluating the result is buggy :p |
| 07:28 | <@Terkhen> | maybe the universe is buggy |
| 07:29 | <frosch123> | yeah, the matrix has limited precision |
| 07:29 | <frosch123> | they only use doubles |
| 07:30 | <yorick> | http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=58 <-- maybe the fpga they used to detect the particles is buggy |
| 07:31 | <andythenorth> | frosch123: could be closer to the truth than you realise |
| 07:36 | <Mazur> | Why does the r23238 have no language pack? |
| 07:36 | <Mazur> | The nightly. |
| 07:36 | <Mazur> | And how do I fix it, again? |
| 07:36 | <Mazur> | Please. |
| 07:37 | * | Mazur nearly forgot the magic worm. |
| 07:39 | <frosch123> | did you copy it over an existing installation, without replacing all files? |
| 07:39 | <@planetmaker> | bah, we're crazy. we have industrytype.h and industry_type.h |
| 07:41 | <frosch123> | we also have cargotype and cargo_type :) |
| 07:41 | <frosch123> | i always open both :p |
| 07:42 | <@planetmaker> | :-P |
| 07:43 | <Mazur> | frosch123, I just used autostart, so a fresh checkout down downloaded. |
| 07:43 | <Mazur> | But I think I may know what went wrong: a local patch, which it could not apply, and I said to skip, must have been applied after all. |
| 07:43 | <@planetmaker> | Mazur: I can only assume that compile barfed on some changes |
| 07:43 | <@planetmaker> | re-compile and see |
| 07:44 | <+michi_cc> | planetmaker: There's more of that, is it station_base.h or base_station_base.h for example :) |
| 07:44 | <@planetmaker> | :-) |
| 07:45 | <@planetmaker> | hm... good point. Maybe station tiles should also get an option to draw grids |
| 07:46 | <Mazur> | Problem solved, thank you all. |
| 07:52 | <TrueBrain> | you are welcome |
| 07:59 | <@peter1138> | recompile the universe? |
| 08:05 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: frosch * r23248 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Rename everything related to the NewGRF 'readme' to 'textfile', so it is more generic. |
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| 09:35 | <@Belugas> | hello |
| 09:36 | <@planetmaker> | hello Belugas |
| 09:37 | <@peter1138> | oh right |
| 09:38 | <@peter1138> | my NAT configuration wasn't working because... |
| 09:38 | <@peter1138> | i didn't enable ipforwarding. oops. |
| 09:38 | <@Belugas> | mister planetmaker :) |
| 09:40 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: frosch * r23249 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: Also allow viewing of the other two textfiles supplied by BaNaNaS tars, i.e. changelog and license. |
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| 09:46 | <@Yexo> | iIn python, is "some_list = some_list[1:]" thread-safe if another thread does "some_list.append(3)" ? |
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| 09:54 | <Hirundo> | Yexo: It seems not, according to http://bytes.com/topic/python/answers/693373-threads-mutual-exclusion-lists which suggests to use a Queue instead |
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| 10:32 | <Xaroth> | Terkhen: I think TB made a new addict out of you :P |
| 10:32 | <@Terkhen> | I didn't play that much :P |
| 10:32 | <Xaroth> | hah |
| 10:32 | <Xaroth> | liar :P |
| 10:32 | <Xaroth> | you didn't play that much -today- :P |
| 10:32 | <Xaroth> | but yesterday... |
| 10:32 | <@planetmaker> | hm? |
| 10:33 | <@Terkhen> | only a few hours, today I logged in to see a gigantic city |
| 10:33 | <@Terkhen> | that probably answers who were playing a lot yesterday and today :P |
| 10:33 | <Xaroth> | yeh.. er, sorry |
| 10:33 | <Xaroth> | we.. went a bit overboard :P |
| 10:33 | <@planetmaker> | oh, the server is still up? |
| 10:33 | <Xaroth> | planetmaker: yep |
| 10:33 | <Xaroth> | you can see our work :P |
| 10:35 | <@planetmaker> | hm, got the DL link? |
| 10:35 | <@planetmaker> | for the binary? |
| 10:35 | <@Terkhen> | http://master.binaries.openttd.org/custom/nogo/h52c7e417/index.html |
| 10:35 | <@planetmaker> | ty |
| 10:37 | <@peter1138> | .xz... |
| 10:37 | <Xaroth> | dot..what? |
| 10:37 | <@planetmaker> | I guess I allow that programme to access the internet. Even when it was downloaded from the internet :-P |
| 10:38 | <Xaroth> | well you don't -have- to.. but that might complicate things a bit if you don't... |
| 10:38 | <@planetmaker> | hm... I don't find the server, though |
| 10:39 | <Xaroth> | it's not advertised |
| 10:39 | <@planetmaker> | he |
| 10:39 | <Xaroth> | rawr.xaroth.nl |
| 10:39 | <TrueBrain> | I forgot the -nogo prefix, so advertising would be a bit bad ;) |
| 10:44 | <Rubidium> | TrueBrain: it's quite unlikely there's another revision with that revision number any time soon |
| 10:44 | <TrueBrain> | Rubidium: very true |
| 10:44 | <TrueBrain> | but I like things to be clear :) |
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| 10:50 | <@planetmaker> | http://imagebin.org/184629 <-- I should fix something, I guess ;-) |
| 10:51 | <@planetmaker> | I hope it's only locally screwed up :-P |
| 10:51 | <TrueBrain> | wher eon the map? |
| 10:52 | <@planetmaker> | my only tracks. Centre, a bit to the top |
| 10:52 | <@peter1138> | um... |
| 10:52 | <TrueBrain> | that really is a local problem, yeah ;) |
| 10:52 | <@peter1138> | oh, graphics glitch :p |
| 10:52 | <@planetmaker> | I guess I screwed with track templates then ;-) |
| 11:02 | <TrueBrain> | 5 developers on one server ... that is a first (for me) to see :P |
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| 11:04 | <Swissfan91> | hi everyone |
| 11:05 | <@planetmaker> | hehe, TrueBrain |
| 11:05 | <@Terkhen> | hi Swissfan91 |
| 11:05 | <@planetmaker> | it's quite rare, possibly first for me, too |
| 11:05 | <@planetmaker> | hi Swissfan91 |
| 11:05 | <@Terkhen> | first for me too :P |
| 11:06 | <Swissfan91> | when you have a minute.. http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=969787#p969787 |
| 11:06 | <Swissfan91> | :) |
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| 13:27 | <Wolf01> | evenink |
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| 13:36 | <@Alberth> | hi |
| 13:37 | <andythenorth> | peter1138: so what sprites am I drawing? |
| 13:38 | <Rubidium> | andythenorth: monospaced characters? |
| 13:38 | <andythenorth> | bleargh |
| 13:38 | <andythenorth> | there isn't a pixel font we can rasterise? |
| 13:39 | <Rubidium> | there probably is ;) |
| 13:40 | <Rubidium> | but then we need some GPL-ed or BSD licensed font |
| 13:40 | <andythenorth> | any idea of point size? |
| 13:41 | <b_jonas> | um, what kind of font? what do you need one for? |
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| 13:42 | <Rubidium> | andythenorth: something 10-ish? |
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| 13:42 | <Rubidium> | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Font_Comparison_-_Liberation_Mono_to_Courier_New.svg/500px-Font_Comparison_-_Liberation_Mono_to_Courier_New.svg.png <- the Liberation Mono seems nice |
| 13:42 | <frosch123> | why do we need a monospaced sprite font? |
| 13:43 | <Rubidium> | frosch123: for the readme/changelog that'd be nice |
| 13:43 | <@planetmaker> | frosch123: for readme |
| 13:43 | <frosch123> | do you want it as monospaced version of the normal sprite font, or do you want to use it instead of a freetype font? |
| 13:44 | <Rubidium> | frosch123: the former |
| 13:44 | <Rubidium> | basically adding a fourth sprite font 'type' |
| 13:45 | <Rubidium> | though I see some difficulty with the freetype font; we need to "add" some extra tests there |
| 13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: translators * r23250 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: |
| 13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: basque - 20 changes by Thadah |
| 13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: english_US - 8 changes by Rubidium |
| 13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: esperanto - 55 changes by Christopher |
| 13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: finnish - 9 changes by jpx_ |
| 13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: german - 7 changes by planetmaker |
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| 13:47 | <andythenorth> | http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/sfds/ |
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| 13:50 | <andythenorth> | http://www.paradroid.net/emd/ |
| 13:50 | <Rubidium> | too bad the example fails :( |
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| 13:51 | * | frosch123 votes for Floral Caps :p |
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| 13:52 | <andythenorth> | we need a gpl or bsd monaco |
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| 13:59 | <frosch123> | maybe we should just add a dependency for liberation fonts :p |
| 13:59 | <__ln___> | hmm, 20% of britons do not know the meaning of the french word 'bonjour'. |
| 14:02 | <Wolf01> | __ln___, you have a longer tail tonight |
| 14:03 | <frosch123> | i would have expected Sacro to say that |
| 14:05 | <@peter1138> | hmm |
| 14:05 | <@peter1138> | Name: Emd Nouveau |
| 14:05 | <@peter1138> | Style: Regular |
| 14:05 | <@peter1138> | Type: DOS/Windows executable |
| 14:05 | <@peter1138> | what? |
| 14:06 | <@peter1138> | __ln___, it's french for "ZeroConf" |
| 14:06 | <__ln___> | peter1138: that's correct |
| 14:07 | <Rubidium> | hmm, fontcache only returns one monospaced font for me |
| 14:07 | <Rubidium> | although 19 have mono in their name |
| 14:10 | <Sacro> | pssh |
| 14:10 | <Sacro> | i know what bonjour means |
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| 14:23 | <@Belugas> | ho? me too! me too!! |
| 14:23 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: frosch * r23251 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Fix: 3-column view of NewGRF GUI had too much space for certain font sizes. |
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| 15:04 | <b_jonas> | peter1138: lol |
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| 15:38 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: frosch * r23252 /trunk/src/ (widget.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Add WD_BEVEL_xxx constants. |
| 15:39 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: frosch * r23253 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Fix: Several clipping issues with the display of textfiles, esp. with RTL text direction. |
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| 15:42 | <LordAro> | evenings |
| 15:43 | <@Terkhen> | hi LordAro |
| 15:44 | <LordAro> | hi Terkhen |
| 15:48 | <__ln___> | is this actually grammatical: "¿Quieres instalar a la última versión de Spotify?" |
| 15:52 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r23254 /branches/1.1/ (6 files in 4 dirs): |
| 15:52 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: [1.1] -Backport from trunk: |
| 15:52 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Run StartupEngines() if NewGRFs changed during loading a savegame, just like it's running when NewGRFs are changed during a game (r23083) |
| 15:52 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: - Fix: Account for snow line table when determining the snow line for building houses (r23082) |
| 15:52 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] If a NewGRF overrides a default house the minimum start year for that house was set to 1930 [FS#4794] (r23059) |
| 15:52 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] AIOrder::GetOrderCount() did not hide implicit orders (r23057) |
| 15:55 | <@Terkhen> | __ln___: that "a" shouldn't be there |
| 15:55 | <__ln___> | Terkhen: that's what i thought too. |
| 16:04 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r23255 /branches/1.1/ (7 files in 6 dirs): |
| 16:04 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: [1.1] -Backport from trunk: |
| 16:04 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: - Fix: When any keys on the on-screen keyboard were pressed the text cursor disappeared (r23132) |
| 16:04 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] AIOrder::IsCurrentOrderPartOfOrderList return false for valid vehicles and crashed for invalid ones (r23131) |
| 16:04 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] calling require() to include a file gave you 100.000 opcodes for free (r23117) |
| 16:04 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: - Fix: Allow accessing the server's client info as well in the admin network [FS#4813] (r23115) |
| 16:10 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r23256 /branches/1.1/ (4 files in 4 dirs): |
| 16:10 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: [1.1] -Backport from trunk: |
| 16:10 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: - Fix: [Squirrel] replace custom qsort by std::sort to fix stack overflow [FS#4830] (r23190, r23187, r23186) |
| 16:10 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: - Fix: Do not display railway fences between track and waypoints [FS#4627] (r23163) |
| 16:10 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] AIOrder didn't handle implicit orders correctly in all cases [FS#4823] (r23133) |
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| 16:15 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r23257 /branches/1.1/ (15 files in 4 dirs): |
| 16:15 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: [1.1] -Backport from trunk: |
| 16:15 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] Hide AIObject from the documentation as it cannot be used (r23204, r23201) |
| 16:15 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: - Fix: [Network] Unstable sorting in the network list when two servers had the exact same name [FS#4829] (r23202) |
| 16:15 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: - Fix: Oil rigs that "expired" did not get removed from the station list [FS#4822] (r23199) |
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| 16:17 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r23258 /branches/1.1/src/lang/ (25 files): [1.1] -Backport from trunk: language updates |
| 16:18 | <appe> | http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/626388_460s.jpg |
| 16:19 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r23259 /branches/1.1/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:19 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: [1.1] -Backport from trunk: |
| 16:19 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: - Fix: 3-column view of NewGRF GUI had too much space for certain font sizes (r23251) |
| 16:19 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: - Fix: Ignore special characters, such as the train "character", when determining a fallback font (r23237) |
| 16:19 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Make train var 0xF3 consistent with TTDPatch (r23231) |
| 16:19 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: - Fix: Invalidate build vehicle window when changing the setting for wagon speed limits (r23211) |
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| 16:26 | <LordAro> | frosch123: i love how i spent several months getting readme viewer working, then you get changelog and license viewer working within days :L |
| 16:27 | <frosch123> | those did not affect the viewer itself at all :p |
| 16:28 | <frosch123> | just loading a different file |
| 16:31 | <@Terkhen> | it's easier to add features when most of the work is done :P |
| 16:32 | <LordAro> | i guess |
| 16:32 | <LordAro> | :) |
| 16:33 | <LordAro> | i guess the viewer still has the issues of 'tables not being able to work' and 'some strings get truncated' |
| 16:33 | <SpComb> | tables? |
| 16:33 | <LordAro> | columns of text |
| 16:34 | <SpComb> | sounded almost like HTML |
| 16:34 | <Rubidium> | LordAro: that requires a monospaced font, which someone has to "draw" |
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| 16:35 | <LordAro> | i would class it as TMWFTLB tbh :) |
| 16:35 | <@planetmaker> | truncation shouldn't happen (anymore) and I didn't see it, LordAro |
| 16:35 | <@planetmaker> | LordAro: it might not be tmwftlb |
| 16:37 | <LordAro> | i noticed it with 2cc train set (2.0.0 beta4.1) |
| 16:37 | <LordAro> | (truncation) |
| 16:40 | <frosch123> | LordAro: strings are no longer truncated |
| 16:41 | <LordAro> | was that r23253? |
| 16:41 | <LordAro> | i guess it didn't get into tonight's nightly |
| 16:41 | <frosch123> | yes |
| 16:43 | <LordAro> | thanks, that part of the patch confused my (even more) - (bevel edges and text truncation-y-stuff) :) |
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| 16:44 | <andythenorth> | commit spree :P |
| 16:45 | <LordAro> | andythenorth: no, it's backport week :P |
| 16:45 | <andythenorth> | Rubidium: I think there are monospaced fonts with appropriate licenses |
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| 16:49 | <Rubidium> | andythenorth: so do I ;) |
| 16:52 | <Rubidium> | just haven't found the 'will' to actually do something towards monospaced fonts :( |
| 16:56 | <z-MaTRiX> | hi |
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| 17:13 | <@Terkhen> | good night |
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| 17:39 | <andythenorth> | hmm |
| 17:39 | <andythenorth> | steam trams could sometimes run engine backwards |
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| 18:55 | <TrueBrain> | pompiedom |
| 18:56 | <@peter1138> | indeed |
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| 19:20 | <z-MaTRiX> | jrx |
| 19:20 | <z-MaTRiX> | heyho |
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| 19:39 | <Wolf01> | 'night |
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| 20:26 | <Eddi|zuHause> | hmzz... |
| 20:26 | <Eddi|zuHause> | 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 001 001 051 Pre-fail Always FAILING_NOW 4867 |
| 20:29 | <+glx> | seems bad |
| 20:37 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it's not hugely important data on there, but that's my router/download-box hdd |
| 20:37 | <Eddi|zuHause> | and i'm not sure if i have a small enough hdd to replace it |
| 20:38 | <__ln__> | how small? |
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| 20:38 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it's currently 120GB, i think. doesn't make a lot of sense to put a 500GB-2TB hdd in there. |
| 20:40 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i might have some old 40GB disks, but i'm not sure if they're already bad |
| 20:42 | <Eddi|zuHause> | PS: it's not quite useful to have a headless box display a mexxage "press F1 to continue" on SMART-failure |
| 20:43 | <__ln__> | usually there's a "halt on no errors" setting in bios |
| 20:44 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i was under the impression i set that |
| 20:44 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but i disabled smart in bios now, so it should avoid that anyway |
| 20:48 | <z-MaTRiX> | :) |
| 20:48 | <z-MaTRiX> | http://matrix.z-labor.com/tmp/C/sdltest_circle3.c |
| 20:48 | <z-MaTRiX> | heres my example of drawing a simple line |
| 20:49 | <z-MaTRiX> | *circle |
| 20:49 | <z-MaTRiX> | line is still to be cleaned up |
| 20:50 | <__ln__> | indentation is missing |
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| 20:51 | <z-MaTRiX> | :( |
| 20:51 | <z-MaTRiX> | will look after that |
| 20:51 | <z-MaTRiX> | (oh and it has unix lineends) |
| 20:51 | <__ln__> | it's suboptimal to calculate sqrt(2) in the loop condition, because it obviously doesn't change. |
| 20:52 | <z-MaTRiX> | hmm well yes |
| 20:55 | <z-MaTRiX> | actually r/sqrt(2) is constant too |
| 20:55 | <z-MaTRiX> | will fix that |
| 20:55 | <__ln__> | i have an unused 1TB disk which i don't dare use for anything important although it appears to work fine |
| 20:55 | <z-MaTRiX> | and whats the problem with it? |
| 20:57 | <__ln__> | once, though only once, i had severe problems with reading data from it, and i thought i'm actually going to lose a bunch of photos and other irreplaceable stuff. but next day, when i ran dd_rescue on it, everything worked flawlessly again. |
| 20:59 | <Eddi|zuHause> | 1TB is still overkill for that box |
| 20:59 | <z-MaTRiX> | type? |
| 20:59 | <z-MaTRiX> | if mayt0r then it will die soon |
| 20:59 | <__ln__> | the disk reports zero bad sectors, but running the long smart test always just stops at 20%. |
| 21:00 | <__ln__> | it's a samsung |
| 21:01 | <Eddi|zuHause> | WDC WD1200BB-00DAA1 |
| 21:02 | <Eddi|zuHause> | served me well over the past almost-a-decade |
| 21:03 | <Eddi|zuHause> | might be 2004-ish |
| 21:03 | <z-MaTRiX> | hmm |
| 21:03 | <z-MaTRiX> | well... |
| 21:03 | <z-MaTRiX> | it lloks like it has reached the theshold then |
| 21:03 | <z-MaTRiX> | *threashold |
| 21:03 | <z-MaTRiX> | threshold |
| 21:03 | <z-MaTRiX> | nah |
| 21:03 | <z-MaTRiX> | so bits are rotting now |
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| 21:05 | <__ln__> | Eddi|zuHause: btw, are you in a need of ide or sata disk? |
| 21:05 | <Eddi|zuHause> | either is fine |
| 21:05 | <z-MaTRiX> | i have bought a hitachi 500GB recently |
| 21:05 | <z-MaTRiX> | hitachi has the leading-edge technology since 2009 |
| 21:06 | <z-MaTRiX> | a more correct and stable solution of disc magnetizing method |
| 21:06 | <z-MaTRiX> | plus advanced materials |
| 21:06 | <__ln__> | "Western Digital to Acquire Hitachi Global Storage Technologies." |
| 21:07 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i really doubt there's actually that much difference |
| 21:07 | <Eddi|zuHause> | and HDD prices skyrocketed in the past few weeks |
| 21:10 | <__ln__> | so they say |
| 21:12 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it's said that the prices are now totally overvalued. the actual production pause only warranted like a 10% increase, but they increased like over 100% |
| 21:12 | <Eddi|zuHause> | like |
| 21:13 | <__ln__> | if one can increase the price of a product by 100% and people still buy it, then it would be stupid not to. |
| 21:14 | <Eddi|zuHause> | that's what they did with fuel |
| 21:15 | <Eddi|zuHause> | there's a weird weekly change in fuel prices that i don't really understand |
| 21:16 | <Eddi|zuHause> | fuel is most expensive on thursdays, and cheapest on sunday |
| 21:16 | <Eddi|zuHause> | by a margin of around 5¢ |
| 21:19 | <__ln__> | i also seem to have an unused 120GB ide disk, which isn't failing afaik |
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| 21:20 | <__ln__> | unused as in "not in active use", not "brand new" |
| 21:21 | <Eddi|zuHause> | or i opt for a brandnew low-power system with like a 40GB SSD |
| 21:22 | <__ln__> | at some point SSDs were not actually lower-power than HDDs, but that may have changed |
| 21:23 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but i'm sure there are more low-power systems than a 7 year old athlon-1GHz |
| 21:23 | <Eddi|zuHause> | or 1.3GHz |
| 21:23 | <Eddi|zuHause> | or something like that |
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| 21:25 | <__ln__> | my 1.2GHz ARM system consumes 7W (plus HDD's power) |
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| 21:32 | <z-MaTRiX> | also note that newer hdds usually 80-120GB and up has FSB (fluid dynamic bearings) |
| 21:32 | <z-MaTRiX> | *FSB |
| 21:32 | <z-MaTRiX> | ;/ |
| 21:33 | <z-MaTRiX> | s/FSB/FDB/ |
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