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| 04:47 | <@peter1138> | merry christmas |
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| 05:26 | <Eddi|zuHause> | SmatZ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1C359uhRWs&feature=player_embedded :) |
| 05:30 | <Eddi|zuHause> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIxkMlaDTHI&feature=relmfu |
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| 05:39 | <Wolf01> | hohoho merry xmas to all |
| 05:39 | <appe> | :) |
| 05:40 | <@peter1138> | hello |
| 05:40 | <appe> | hiya peter. |
| 05:40 | <appe> | had a good christmas? |
| 05:41 | <appe> | oh wait, some countries still have christmas eve |
| 05:41 | <Wolf01> | some countries have today and tomorrow instead of yesterday :P |
| 05:42 | <@peter1138> | yup |
| 05:42 | <@peter1138> | no point rushing it |
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| 05:42 | <appe> | hehe |
| 05:42 | <appe> | sweden reserved the 24:th. |
| 05:45 | <@peter1138> | hmm, suddenly explosion of stickied 32bpp threads :S |
| 05:45 | <@peter1138> | -ly |
| 05:48 | * | peter1138 ponders working on ez sprites again |
| 05:49 | <appe> | peter1138: isnt this a day for ..not openttd related stuff? |
| 05:50 | * | appe hands ginger bread |
| 05:51 | <@peter1138> | what? why? |
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| 05:55 | <appe> | no, no particular reason. im just trying to insert ginger bread in your sprites |
| 06:03 | <@peter1138> | i don't make sprites |
| 06:11 | <Eddi|zuHause> | germany is the worst... we have christmas eve, christmas day, and 2nd christmas day.... |
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| 06:12 | <@peter1138> | boxing day |
| 06:14 | <appe> | oh |
| 06:14 | <appe> | :D |
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| 07:40 | <vargadanis> | hi! |
| 07:41 | <vargadanis> | I have a little problem which I demonstrate on this image: http://i39.tinypic.com/2vwz8tk.jpg |
| 07:41 | <vargadanis> | this is a station that can be loaded from both sides and trains tend to turn around and create a hook which blocks all incoming and outgoung traffic |
| 07:42 | <vargadanis> | is there any way to get around this? |
| 07:43 | <@peter1138> | use path signals |
| 07:43 | <@peter1138> | http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=57875 |
| 07:44 | <Progman> | vargadanis: isn't there a track piece missing at the left on the lower junction? |
| 07:45 | <@peter1138> | vargadanis, follow the signal layout that pikkabird gives |
| 07:45 | <vargadanis> | Progman, there is thanks for pointing it out however the train was comging from the 3rd station should have made a difference in this case |
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| 07:46 | <Progman> | what about the "allow turn in station" setting? |
| 07:46 | <vargadanis> | it is turned on |
| 07:46 | <vargadanis> | trains do get sometimes turn around |
| 07:47 | <vargadanis> | peter1138, does this signal layout make any difference? |
| 07:47 | <vargadanis> | I could try it see what happens |
| 07:47 | <@peter1138> | yes |
| 07:48 | <@peter1138> | one of the concepts of path signals is safe waiting points |
| 07:48 | <@peter1138> | only place signals where trains can wait safely |
| 07:48 | <@peter1138> | safe in this context means without blocking other routes |
| 07:49 | <@peter1138> | your trains may end up waiting in the station slightly longer when it's busy, but they shouldn't block each other like that |
| 07:49 | <vargadanis> | sweet thank you |
| 07:50 | <vargadanis> | I just "transformed" that station |
| 07:50 | <vargadanis> | as well I forgot to place 2 exist signals on the further end of the 4 tracks |
| 07:50 | <vargadanis> | so that kinda screwed it up too |
| 07:51 | <vargadanis> | my delivered cargo graph is scillating that is a good indication something is Fd up :) |
| 07:51 | <vargadanis> | btw this layout seems to be easier to look over |
| 07:51 | <vargadanis> | less cluttering |
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| 07:57 | <vargadanis> | awesome... I can see the actual throughput of the station increase |
| 07:57 | <Svish> | These two-ended train sets, do they have twice the power they say they have? Or said in a different way, when I have two train engines in the same train, is it good to replace those two with a single two-ended engine? Or should I have two of them (taking up 4 slots rather than 2) to have the same "effect"? |
| 07:58 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i think that was changed back and forth a few times... |
| 07:59 | <Eddi|zuHause> | to double check, build such a train, and look in the train details (there are both ends summed up) |
| 07:59 | <Svish> | also, if I use the replace feature, will it create two double-ended engines if I have two single-ended ones? |
| 07:59 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yes |
| 07:59 | <Svish> | ah ok |
| 07:59 | <Svish> | should be a an option to change that perhaps |
| 08:00 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yes. but how to do it properly, so the next person won't request a slightly different behaviour again next week? |
| 08:00 | <Eddi|zuHause> | see the various threads about consist-replacing |
| 08:05 | <Svish> | I think it should just be an option in the replace dialog. some checkboxes or something. Retain number of engines or something |
| 08:11 | <TrueBrain> | # Surfin' USA |
| 08:11 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yes. and the next person wants to retain the first or the last wagon, or add new wagons, or choose a refit option, or ... |
| 08:12 | <Eddi|zuHause> | TrueBrain: typical christmas song? |
| 08:12 | <@peter1138> | Eddi|zuHause, the final power wasn't changed, just the way it's used in the vehicles |
| 08:13 | <@peter1138> | then it became irrelevant because bjarni disallowed dual head parts to be split up |
| 08:13 | <Eddi|zuHause> | peter1138: i meant whether half or full power is displayed in the purchase menu |
| 08:14 | <TrueBrain> | Eddi|zuHause: I guess |
| 08:14 | <@peter1138> | full i think |
| 08:16 | <Eddi|zuHause> | that was fun in TTO when you reached the wagon limit, you could build half TGV and half EuroStar :) |
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| 08:17 | <Svish> | Eddi|zuHause: all those should be options in the replace menu I think, per replace "order". would also be cool if I could tell a single train to "add two wagons of type x to yourself the next time you get service" |
| 08:17 | <TrueBrain> | and there goes the coop server once again |
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| 08:17 | <TrueBrain> | stability: E |
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| 08:18 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Svish: but then you get so many options that the GUI will be incomprehensible |
| 08:18 | <Svish> | i guess |
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| 08:19 | <Svish> | anyways, another question, I started a multiplayer game, but I'd like to change one of the advanced options. Can I do that somehow? It's locked in the options tree |
| 08:20 | <Eddi|zuHause> | only by quitting, loading in single player, changing, loading in multiplayer again |
| 08:26 | <Svish> | ok. that seems to have worked :) |
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| 08:57 | <Svish> | what is an Implicit order? |
| 09:01 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it's a record of stops the train has made which you did not order |
| 09:03 | <Svish> | aha |
| 09:07 | <Ardonel> | Merry Christmas all. |
| 09:07 | <vargadanis> | Svish, if you set the order to be non-stop, the implicit orders will go away |
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| 09:07 | <vargadanis> | http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=153575&sid=27302217dbf184277a9ac274e5ead2c6 |
| 09:07 | <vargadanis> | ^ that works very well |
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| 09:27 | <Svish> | vargadanis: what's that? |
| 09:28 | <Rubidium> | his forum session to hijack ;) |
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| 10:00 | <JoeyJo0> | Hey there. |
| 10:00 | <JoeyJo0> | I have a question regarding trains and its silly pathfinding. I can provide a screenshot in a moment. |
| 10:02 | <JoeyJo0> | So, I'm using a 2-line system, up and down, quite standard. |
| 10:02 | <JoeyJo0> | And there is this junction that switches from 2 lines to 4 lines, of which 2 lines go to Station A and 2 go to Station B. |
| 10:03 | <JoeyJo0> | I've ordered the train to go to station A, but it keeps going to station B. |
| 10:03 | <JoeyJo0> | I'm preparing the screenshot now. |
| 10:06 | <JoeyJo0> | Wait, nevermind. It was a pathfinding error caused by an unreachable order. |
| 10:07 | <Eddi|zuHause> | for pathfinding problems, screenshots are usually useless |
| 10:07 | <Eddi|zuHause> | savegames are necessary |
| 10:07 | <JoeyJo0> | Still, it might've been an incorrectly placed sign. |
| 10:09 | <Eddi|zuHause> | or a track that is not electrified, or a wrong waypoint, or ... |
| 10:09 | <JoeyJo0> | All my tracks are electrified. |
| 10:09 | <JoeyJo0> | I've never placed non-electrified tracks. |
| 10:10 | <Eddi|zuHause> | sure, but we don't know that |
| 10:10 | <JoeyJo0> | True. |
| 10:12 | <Eddi|zuHause> | the weirdest pathfinding problem i have seen was some guy who had trains running in circles |
| 10:12 | <Eddi|zuHause> | turned out the penalty for full platforms was higher than going around enough circles to reach 10 signals |
| 10:13 | <Eddi|zuHause> | (after 10 signals, track reservation is not accounted for anymore) |
| 10:14 | <JoeyJo0> | So, he had a track going round and he wanted to have a train bouncing between two stations? |
| 10:15 | <JoeyJo0> | Argh, I hate it when local authorities refuse to allow me to wreck streets ;/ |
| 10:16 | <Eddi|zuHause> | JoeyJo0: he had a terminus station with waiting tracks before it |
| 10:16 | <Eddi|zuHause> | JoeyJo0: and when the station was full, the trains did not wait in the waiting tracsk |
| 10:16 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but kept going in circles |
| 10:17 | <Eddi|zuHause> | until one platform was free again, then they happily waited |
| 10:17 | <JoeyJo0> | That's strange. |
| 10:18 | <JoeyJo0> | I like my relatively simple system. |
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| 10:51 | <Eddi|zuHause> | oh... i was just wondering why i can't reach devzone :p |
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| 11:00 | <weirdy> | Hey |
| 11:01 | <weirdy> | ah, problem solved itself naturally |
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| 11:06 | <vargadanis> | I have another problem demonstrated on this picture: http://i41.tinypic.com/zwc283.png |
| 11:06 | <vargadanis> | the power plant isn't accepting anything, how could that be? |
| 11:07 | <Eddi|zuHause> | not all tiles of the power station accept coal, use the [?] tool |
| 11:08 | <weirdy> | I'd always ensure that stations are as close to the industry as possible. |
| 11:11 | <vargadanis> | Eddi|zuHause, you were right, the tiles I had the stations on didn't accept coal :s |
| 11:12 | <vargadanis> | I placed another station to overlap not connected to the roads with CTRL pressed and it solved the problem |
| 11:12 | <vargadanis> | gonna have to pay more attention next time |
| 11:15 | <JoeyJo0> | I'm dealing with a quantum train here. |
| 11:15 | <JoeyJo0> | As long as I observe it, it chooses the right path. |
| 11:15 | <JoeyJo0> | But once I don't watch it, it goes in directions it shouldn't go. |
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| 11:40 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it's a Heisentrain |
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| 12:09 | <vargadanis> | finally found a way to compete with admiralAI :) |
| 12:10 | <vargadanis> | quite a challenge :) |
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| 12:20 | <SmatZ_> | so... I actually bought a game... for mere ~12Eur... and my silly DVD drive fails to read it :( |
| 12:20 | <SmatZ_> | so I have to get it "ilegally" anyway... |
| 12:21 | <SmatZ_> | it's even worse than the last time I bought a DVD movie |
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| 12:21 | <Eddi|zuHause> | that should teach you :p |
| 12:21 | <SmatZ_> | where it failed only at few places, where the movie got stuck... |
| 12:21 | <Wolf01> | I once bought a game but the DRM don't let me to play it with wine, so I have to play the russian version which is DRM free |
| 12:21 | <SmatZ_> | but this time, it won't even detect the DVD... |
| 12:21 | <SmatZ_> | hehe :) |
| 12:38 | <Elukka> | i had to torrent victoria 2 to be able to play it with a friend because the steam version i had bought didn't work |
| 12:38 | <Elukka> | legal download of some train sim didn't work either... |
| 12:39 | <Elukka> | windows insisted i hadn't bought it one time too and was very smug about it |
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| 13:03 | <JoeyJo0> | Is there a way to quickly close all windows? |
| 13:04 | <Rubidium> | (shift +) delete |
| 13:04 | <JoeyJo0> | Ahh, thanks. |
| 13:04 | <JoeyJo0> | My screen usually gets really cluttered when routing trains. |
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| 13:09 | <XaTriX> | hi |
| 13:09 | <XaTriX> | ottd are unique threaded no ? |
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| 13:11 | <Rubidium> | XaTriX: that's debatable |
| 13:13 | <XaTriX> | im talking about serv prog |
| 13:14 | <Rubidium> | then it's still debatable |
| 13:14 | <XaTriX> | :p |
| 13:14 | <Rubidium> | e.g. savegame compression happens in a separate thread, so it's not 100% single threaded |
| 13:14 | <XaTriX> | oukey |
| 13:15 | <XaTriX> | so it didnt use the power of multicores ? |
| 13:19 | <Rubidium> | as I said, it's debatable |
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| 13:27 | <XaTriX> | okay :p |
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| 13:28 | <XaTriX> | in fact its to choose a proc to host a game, and know if quad (or more) is good or not.. |
| 13:29 | <XaTriX> | because with IS+ECS (and more) its use a lot of proc power.. |
| 13:29 | <Rubidium> | chose one that is slower than the clients you want to be able to join |
| 13:29 | <Rubidium> | anything faster than the CPU of the clients will disconnect the clients for lagging behind when the game gets crowded |
| 13:30 | <XaTriX> | hmm |
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| 13:30 | <Rubidium> | the server and clients calculate the whole game state, but the clients also have to handle drawing |
| 13:31 | <XaTriX> | even with good cpu the server lag with a lot of trains (400+) |
| 13:31 | <XaTriX> | "good" |
| 13:33 | <XaTriX> | = middle cpu (delete "even") .. my english.. is like my president.. |
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| 13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: translators * r23671 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): |
| 13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: |
| 13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: hebrew - 1 changes by rril |
| 13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: indonesian - 10 changes by fanioz |
| 13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: korean - 123 changes by telk5093 |
| 13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: russian - 2 changes by Lone_Wolf |
| 13:45 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: vietnamese - 32 changes by nglekhoi |
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| 13:47 | <CIA-6> | OpenTTD: rubidium * r23672 /trunk/src/lang/korean.txt: -Fix: WT3 validation failure |
| 13:50 | <JoeyJo0> | I hate it when trains get stuck ;/ |
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| 13:53 | <@Terkhen> | hello :) |
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| 14:48 | <vargadanis> | ohh wow |
| 14:48 | <vargadanis> | I purched one of the competitor AIs network all together and i suddenly got 500 vechicles |
| 14:49 | <vargadanis> | that qty is unmanagable |
| 14:49 | <@Alberth> | :D |
| 14:50 | <andythenorth> | bon noel |
| 14:53 | <andythenorth> | anybody like to help me with some CPP? |
| 14:53 | <andythenorth> | nothing says 'christmas' like a pre-processor |
| 14:54 | <@Alberth> | #define CHRISTMAS 1 |
| 14:54 | <andythenorth> | hmm |
| 14:54 | <andythenorth> | now concatenate that with another string? |
| 14:54 | <andythenorth> | like 'HAPPY_' |
| 14:54 | <Eddi|zuHause> | with ## |
| 14:55 | <@Alberth> | ## iirc, but only in replacement context |
| 14:55 | <andythenorth> | so I have #define THIS_VEH_ID veh_truck_test |
| 14:55 | <andythenorth> | and I also want to define switch_articulated_veh_truck_test |
| 14:55 | * | Alberth opens a terminal and an editor |
| 14:56 | <andythenorth> | I als want to define str_name_veh_truck_test |
| 14:56 | <@Alberth> | bummer, x.cpp already exists :p |
| 14:56 | <Eddi|zuHause> | andythenorth: CETS does that |
| 14:56 | <andythenorth> | so does FIRS but I don't understand it :P |
| 14:57 | <andythenorth> | if I learn it from scratch for BANDIT, I might be able to understand FIRS :D |
| 14:57 | <Eddi|zuHause> | file.write('#define VEH_ID(...) %s_%s_%s ## __VA_ARGS__\n'%(comp, ident, i)) |
| 14:57 | <Eddi|zuHause> | and then you write VEH_ID(test) etc. |
| 14:57 | <andythenorth> | you were asleep during the lecture about 'code generators are evil' ? :P |
| 14:58 | <@Alberth> | no, /me likes evil toys :D |
| 14:58 | <Eddi|zuHause> | there's no place else where i can live out my evil side :p |
| 14:59 | * | andythenorth didn't do comp sci |
| 14:59 | <andythenorth> | I had to learn about evil by doing it |
| 14:59 | <andythenorth> | I don't think I'll write a code generator again |
| 14:59 | <Eddi|zuHause> | just "#define VEH_ID(...) veh_truck_test ## __VA_AGRS__" |
| 15:00 | <Eddi|zuHause> | and then "VEH_ID(switch_articulated)" |
| 15:00 | <Eddi|zuHause> | or "VEH_ID()" |
| 15:00 | <@Alberth> | http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/865/ |
| 15:00 | <Eddi|zuHause> | or "VEH_ID(name)" |
| 15:00 | <JoeyJo0> | Preprocessors, eh? You should use #define ; ;fork(); |
| 15:01 | <Eddi|zuHause> | JoeyJo0: just we're not writing C code |
| 15:01 | <JoeyJo0> | :( |
| 15:02 | <JoeyJo0> | There's a fork() in C++ too. |
| 15:02 | <Eddi|zuHause> | JoeyJo0: we're not writing C++ code either |
| 15:02 | <@Alberth> | there is not, it's a library :) |
| 15:02 | <JoeyJo0> | <andythenorth> anybody like to help me with some CPP? |
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| 15:03 | <Svish> | hm. is there a way to prevent unused industries from dying off? can't get to all of them at once kind of, and would like there to still be industries around when I get to them :p |
| 15:03 | <@Terkhen> | C preprocessor |
| 15:03 | <andythenorth> | Svish: use an industry newgrf |
| 15:04 | <andythenorth> | you'll have to start a new game though :| |
| 15:04 | <JoeyJo0> | Svish, in my world, industry closes as much as opens. |
| 15:04 | <@Terkhen> | != C++ |
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| 15:04 | <Eddi|zuHause> | andythenorth: take this excerpt from CETS (after code generation): http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/866/ |
| 15:04 | <andythenorth> | yeah that's perfect |
| 15:04 | <andythenorth> | thanks |
| 15:05 | <Svish> | JoeyJo0: ah, maybe that happens here too, just that I don't notice... |
| 15:05 | <Svish> | andythenorth: what's that? |
| 15:05 | <andythenorth> | Svish: from the in-game content service |
| 15:05 | <andythenorth> | try Manual Industries, or OpenGFX+ Industries |
| 15:06 | <@Alberth> | Svish: the game tries to maintain a balance by opening new ones, which works quite nicely, unless you play in a large world with lots of industries, then it cannot keep up |
| 15:07 | <JoeyJo0> | Alberth: I'm in a large world, it keeps up fine. |
| 15:08 | <@Alberth> | Svish: or if you want a totally different set of industries, you can play FIRS, which does not close industries by default |
| 15:08 | <andythenorth> | FIRS is much bigger http://www.tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/industries?economy=point_6_release |
| 15:08 | <@Alberth> | JoeyJo0: ok, could be, I only tested the case where you literally service no industry at all. |
| 15:08 | <Eddi|zuHause> | ECS has parameters for not closing industries |
| 15:09 | <@Alberth> | Svish: FYI: ECS is also an industry set :) |
| 15:10 | <TrueBrain> | http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/brickland/Ingame.5.png <- pompiedom |
| 15:12 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i think we were at that stage 3 years ago already :) |
| 15:13 | <Svish> | aha, cool |
| 15:13 | <TrueBrain> | Eddi|zuHause: yup :) |
| 15:13 | <TrueBrain> | at least I can now press the button and get those sprites :P |
| 15:14 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but... they're still not cubicles! :p |
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| 15:18 | <vargadanis> | wow FIRS looks pretty neat |
| 15:18 | <vargadanis> | is it downloadable with online content thing? |
| 15:18 | <@Terkhen> | yup |
| 15:18 | <vargadanis> | so the new indu types will be turned on too such as the bauxite mine or the fishing grounds/ |
| 15:18 | <vargadanis> | ? |
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| 15:19 | <andythenorth> | vargadanis: I would wait a couple of days before trying FIRS |
| 15:20 | <andythenorth> | new version gets released in the next few days |
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| 15:21 | <@Alberth> | vargadanis: don't forget to load a newgrf for the new cargoes too |
| 15:21 | <andythenorth> | [vehicle newgrf] |
| 15:21 | <vargadanis> | okkay I can wait :) |
| 15:22 | <vargadanis> | thx 4 tip |
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| 15:22 | <andythenorth> | new FIRS has about 500 improvements compared to version on content service |
| 15:22 | <vargadanis> | wow |
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| 15:23 | <vargadanis> | devs must have put a xxxx amount of work into it |
| 15:25 | <andythenorth> | some |
| 15:25 | <andythenorth> | some work |
| 15:25 | <andythenorth> | not some devs :P |
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| 15:28 | <@Alberth> | vargadanis: andythenorth is the main author of FIRS :) |
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| 15:30 | <andythenorth> | hmm |
| 15:30 | <andythenorth> | can CPP pre-pend a string? |
| 15:30 | <andythenorth> | otherwise my text identifiers will be things like 'veh_truck_test_str_name' |
| 15:30 | <andythenorth> | which isn't good nml style :P |
| 15:30 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yes, why is that relevant? |
| 15:30 | <SpComb> | like FOO # _bar? |
| 15:30 | <Eddi|zuHause> | just put the __VA_ARGS__ before the ## |
| 15:31 | <SpComb> | *## |
| 15:32 | <andythenorth> | hmm |
| 15:34 | <andythenorth> | sprites/nml/test_vehicle.pnml:1:66: error: '##' cannot appear at either end of a macro expansion |
| 15:34 | <andythenorth> | #define THIS_VEH_ID(...) veh_truck_test __VA_ARGS__ ## |
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| 15:34 | <SpComb> | it pastes two adjacent tokens together |
| 15:34 | <SpComb> | infix-style op |
| 15:35 | <Eddi|zuHause> | andythenorth: no |
| 15:35 | <Eddi|zuHause> | the ## must be between the two strings you want to connect |
| 15:35 | <andythenorth> | thanks |
| 15:35 | <andythenorth> | fixed |
| 15:35 | <SpComb> | but, uh, not sure how that'd work with something like __VA_ARGS__ that expands to multiple words |
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| 15:37 | <andythenorth> | hmm |
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| 15:37 | <andythenorth> | I don't suppose cpp has equivalent of str.upper() ? |
| 15:37 | <vargadanis> | ohh... didn't know he was DA man behind the project |
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| 15:37 | <vargadanis> | andythenorth, nope but let me double chk |
| 15:38 | <vargadanis> | andythenorth, nope... |
| 15:38 | <vargadanis> | the built in strings do not support that |
| 15:39 | <andythenorth> | hmm |
| 15:39 | <vargadanis> | many C++ dever uses boost lib |
| 15:39 | <vargadanis> | that does have it |
| 15:39 | <andythenorth> | my nml string identifiers will have to be lower case |
| 15:39 | <andythenorth> | doesn't bother me too much |
| 15:39 | <vargadanis> | tho a simple macro could do it |
| 15:40 | <Rubidium> | too bad that nforenum and grfcodec don't support boost |
| 15:40 | <andythenorth> | too much magic = more time spent debugging the magic than the actual grf code :D |
| 15:40 | <vargadanis> | andythenorth, you would want all the letters be uppercase, right? |
| 15:40 | <andythenorth> | yup |
| 15:41 | <andythenorth> | but the initial strings I'm concatenating are lower |
| 15:41 | <vargadanis> | I'd happily put together something |
| 15:42 | <andythenorth> | nah don't worry |
| 15:42 | <andythenorth> | it's only a matter of nml style |
| 15:43 | <Rubidium> | maybe you can bug a nml dev about adding a toupper for variable names ;) |
| 15:43 | <SpComb> | cpp = C preprocessor? |
| 15:43 | <andythenorth> | yup |
| 15:44 | <SpComb> | it can't uppercase, thankfully :) |
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| 15:55 | <andythenorth> | 80 chars? |
| 15:55 | <andythenorth> | not enough for my comments :P |
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| 15:59 | <andythenorth> | hmm |
| 16:00 | <andythenorth> | air drag co-efficient |
| 16:00 | <andythenorth> | should I? |
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| 16:05 | <vargadanis> | will it count how aerodynamic the trains are? |
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| 16:06 | <Eddi|zuHause> | andythenorth: for trucks that's usually pretty high |
| 16:06 | <andythenorth> | that's what made me think of it |
| 16:06 | <Eddi|zuHause> | andythenorth: but also usually does not matter much, because of low speed |
| 16:06 | <andythenorth> | and some trucks are more aero than others |
| 16:06 | <andythenorth> | it affects fuel economy not speed |
| 16:06 | <andythenorth> | I can fake it by run cost better |
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| 16:07 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yes, but the effect is much more noticeable the higher the speed |
| 16:08 | <Eddi|zuHause> | like the steam engines in the 1930s, when streamlining was "in" |
| 16:08 | <andythenorth> | noticeable at 65mph? |
| 16:08 | <Eddi|zuHause> | the fuel consumption only balanced the increased maintenance effort beyond 130km/h |
| 16:08 | <Eddi|zuHause> | and hardly any steam engines actually went that fast |
| 16:08 | <andythenorth> | @calc 130/1.6 |
| 16:08 | <@DorpsGek> | andythenorth: 81.25 |
| 16:08 | <Eddi|zuHause> | in typical service |
| 16:09 | <andythenorth> | I think I'll ignore that prop :) |
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| 16:11 | <Eddi|zuHause> | the fastest german steam train in regular operation was the Henschel-Wegmann-Zug in the late 30s, which had a scheduled top speed of 160km/h and average speed of 111km/h on the line Berlin-Dresden |
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| 16:12 | <Eddi|zuHause> | a speed record not even broken by the ICE on the same route |
| 16:13 | <Eddi|zuHause> | (although that is due to an additional stop) |
| 16:14 | <Rubidium> | so it's not on the route where a stop is regularly forgotten? |
| 16:14 | <Eddi|zuHause> | no |
| 16:14 | <Eddi|zuHause> | that is Berlin-Hannover (with stops alternating in Stendal and Wolfsburg) |
| 16:16 | <Eddi|zuHause> | that track is weird anyway |
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| 16:16 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it's a remnant of a "transit route" from west germany to west berlin, avoiding the major east german cities inbetween |
| 16:17 | <Rubidium> | it's not such a busy route though |
| 16:17 | <Eddi|zuHause> | the traditional route used to be Hannover-Braunschweig-(border)-Magdeburg-Potsdam-(border)-Berlin(west) |
| 16:18 | <Eddi|zuHause> | which is further south |
| 16:19 | <Rubidium> | as there's more than enough time to drive for a while "against" the traffic there (to go to Stendal) |
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| 16:20 | <LordAro> | good evening |
| 16:20 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Stendal is a rather minor town which happened to be along the track after it was planned in the late 80s |
| 16:20 | <Eddi|zuHause> | in a rather less densely populated area |
| 16:21 | <Rubidium> | evening LordAro |
| 16:22 | <LordAro> | hi Rubidium |
| 16:22 | <Rubidium> | ah well, my (usual) train stops in all those lesser towns |
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| 16:22 | <Eddi|zuHause> | and Wolfsburg isn't that big either, only relevant because of the VW factory |
| 16:23 | <insulfrog> | hi all |
| 16:24 | <Rubidium> | yup, their test track is pretty close to the tracks |
| 16:24 | <Rubidium> | anyhow, the ICE isn't significantly faster/more comfortable for my 'usual' long distance trip to Berlin |
| 16:25 | <APTX> | going to berlin tomorrow? |
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| 16:26 | <Rubidium> | nope |
| 16:27 | <Rubidium> | I'd be a whopping 8 minutes faster for a ~6 hour trip |
| 16:28 | <__ln__> | btw, does VW have any bus/truck type products? |
| 16:28 | <andythenorth> | __ln__: in Brazil yes |
| 16:29 | <andythenorth> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Trucks_and_Buses |
| 16:29 | <andythenorth> | why do I know this stuff :P |
| 16:29 | <andythenorth> | also, Germany is weird :P |
| 16:29 | <andythenorth> | wrt transport routes |
| 16:29 | <__ln__> | nice |
| 16:30 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Rubidium: it's not a route i usually would travel :p |
| 16:30 | * | andythenorth lives in a country where nearly all routes go via the capital city |
| 16:31 | <Eddi|zuHause> | andythenorth: that's because germany had no capital city in the 1840s |
| 16:31 | <Rubidium> | poor andythenorth ;) |
| 16:31 | <Eddi|zuHause> | when the railway network was developed |
| 16:31 | <andythenorth> | it makes route finding easy :P |
| 16:31 | <Rubidium> | even here many major routes don't go to the capital |
| 16:31 | <andythenorth> | all destinations are via London, or on the way to London, or on the way from London :P |
| 16:31 | <Eddi|zuHause> | well holland is small, so direct routes are more common :) |
| 16:32 | <Rubidium> | even the international train to Berlin doesn't start in the capital; it starts at the airport and stops at some of the "outer" stations of the capital |
| 16:32 | <andythenorth> | see - weird |
| 16:33 | <andythenorth> | France - everything is wrt Paris, except the cote d'azur bit |
| 16:33 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Amsterdam is weirder than Berlin, certainly :) |
| 16:33 | <andythenorth> | spain, everything is wrt Madrid |
| 16:33 | <andythenorth> | Italy - weird |
| 16:33 | <andythenorth> | Switzerland very weird |
| 16:34 | <andythenorth> | Austria weird |
| 16:34 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i have no knowledge about the italian train network |
| 16:34 | <andythenorth> | USA - screamingly insane |
| 16:34 | <andythenorth> | India - very weird |
| 16:34 | <MNIM> | eddi: nor did it have a capital in the last century |
| 16:34 | * | MNIM looks at the berlin wall |
| 16:34 | <Rubidium> | Eddi|zuHause: well, Italians don't have much knowledge about their train network either |
| 16:35 | <__ln__> | in my experience italian trains worked very nicely, which is odd, because it's italy after all. |
| 16:36 | <andythenorth> | Italian railways run on Indian time in my experience |
| 16:37 | * | MNIM tries to refrain from a Mussolini comment |
| 16:37 | <LordAro> | ^^ |
| 16:38 | <andythenorth> | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=IST |
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| 17:17 | <LordAro> | night all |
| 17:20 | <@planetmaker> | g'night LordAro |
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| 17:31 | <Eddi|zuHause> | # ich wollte dir nur mal eben sagen |
| 17:31 | <Eddi|zuHause> | # daß du das größte für mich bist |
| 17:33 | <andythenorth> | ow |
| 17:33 | <andythenorth> | trucks are governed by a complex mix of regulation, which dictates length, number of axles etc |
| 17:34 | * | andythenorth ignores most of that :P |
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| 17:54 | <andythenorth> | bye |
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| 17:59 | <Snail_> | hello all |
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| 18:05 | <@planetmaker> | hello Snail_ |
| 18:05 | <insulfrog> | cyas |
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| 18:06 | <Snail_> | hey there |
| 18:07 | <Snail_> | just curious... have you ever tried to use the current grfcodec (5.1.3) with the new maintenance factor settings for tracks? |
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| 18:12 | <@Terkhen> | good night |
| 18:15 | * | planetmaker hasn't |
| 18:16 | <Snail_> | planetmaker: I see, thanks |
| 18:16 | <Snail_> | I just tried to code it with grfcodec (latest version) and it resulted in a linter failure, think I'll just post it on the forums |
| 18:25 | <Wolf01> | 'night |
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| 18:45 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Snail_: that's nforenum then |
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