Back to Home / #openttd / 2012 / 02 / Prev Day | Next Day
#openttd IRC Logs for 2012-02-14

---Logopened Tue Feb 14 00:00:45 2012
00:06-!-tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-134-53.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd
00:08-!-theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-52-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd
00:12-!-tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-99-17.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:12-!-tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-197-94.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd
00:12-!-mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ
00:15-!-tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-40-200.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd
00:15-!-mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ
00:16-!-tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-134-53.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:19-!-tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-197-94.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
00:20-!-V453000 [~V453000@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:21-!-avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:21-!-xQR [xor@the.x-base.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:21-!-Yexo [~Yexo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:22-!-Hirundo [~Hirundo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:22-!-welshdragon [~mark-oftc@static.209.236.9.176.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:23-!-dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:23-!-tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-195-116.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd
00:23-!-^Spike^ [~Spike@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:23-!-Osai [~Osai@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:24-!-Ammler [~ammler@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:24-!-planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:24-!-tneo [~tneo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:24-!-luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:24-!-Terkhen [~Terkhen@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:24-!-SmatZ [~smatz@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:24-!-Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:25-!-welshdragon [~mark-oftc@welshdragon.zernebok.net] has joined #openttd
00:25-!-heffer_ [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has joined #openttd
00:25-!-welterde [welterde@thinkbase.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:25-!-XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:25-!-Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has joined #openttd
00:25-!-Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@yoda.zernebok.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:25-!-orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:25-!-Guest2462 [mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:25-!-Hirundo [~Hirundo@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd
00:25-!-heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:26-!-luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has joined #openttd
00:26-!-dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd
00:26-!-xQR [~xor@the.x-base.org] has joined #openttd
00:26-!-Yexo [~Yexo@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd
00:27-!-welterde [welterde@thinkbase.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd
00:27-!-tneo [~tneo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd
00:27-!-Ammler [~ammler@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd
00:27-!-avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd
00:28-!-orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd
00:28-!-Markk [mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has joined #openttd
00:28-!-Osai [~Osai@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd
00:28-!-tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-40-200.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:29-!-SmatZ [~smatz@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd
00:29-!-mode/#openttd [+o SmatZ] by ChanServ
00:29-!-^Spike^ [~Spike@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd
00:29-!-Terkhen [~Terkhen@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd
00:29-!-V453000 [~V453000@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd
00:29-!-mode/#openttd [+o Terkhen] by ChanServ
00:30-!-XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd
00:30-!-planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd
00:30-!-mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ
00:39-!-Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:44-!-kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:47-!-Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@yoda.zernebok.com] has joined #openttd
00:55-!-Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
00:59-!-Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd
01:20-!-tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-201-198.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd
01:20-!-mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ
01:25-!-tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-195-116.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:29-!-supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop]
01:42-!-JVassie [~James@2.27.87.106] has joined #openttd
01:54-!-sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd
02:03-!-kkb110 [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd
02:05-!-MJP [~TdlQ@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd
02:10-!-JVassie [~James@2.27.87.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
02:21-!-cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd
02:24-!-cmircea [~cmircea@86.124.217.99] has joined #openttd
02:36-!-Twofish [~Twofish@77-95-76-210.bb.cust.hknett.no] has joined #openttd
02:39-!-Twofish [~Twofish@77-95-76-210.bb.cust.hknett.no] has quit []
02:57-!-TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd
03:11-!-Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0f234c.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
03:16-!-roboboy [3aad2b37@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd
03:17-!-Zuu_ [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
03:24-!-roboboy [3aad2b37@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]
03:34-!-DayDreamer [~DayDreame@178.248.252.206] has joined #openttd
03:37-!-DayDreamer [~DayDreame@178.248.252.206] has left #openttd []
03:42-!-TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd
03:43-!-roboboy [3aad2b37@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd
03:45-!-MJP [~TdlQ@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
03:59-!-pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-103-191.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd
04:09-!-roboboy [3aad2b37@ircip2.mibbit.com] has left #openttd []
04:27-!-tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-13-75.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd
04:32-!-tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-201-198.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
04:40-!-andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd
04:42-!-Firartix [~artixds@www.clubnix.fr] has joined #openttd
04:43-!-DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0/20120129142603]]
04:50-!-Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
04:51-!-Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd
04:55<andythenorth>morning
04:56<Rhamphoryncus>ahoy
05:00-!-tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-82-57.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd
05:00-!-mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ
05:04-!-TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
05:06-!-tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-13-75.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
05:10-!-TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd
05:38<Rhamphoryncus>... huh. OrderList::IsCompleteTimetable returns true if there are no orders, letting timetable_duration be 0
05:43-!-George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd
05:43-!-George is now known as Guest2538
05:43-!-George|2 is now known as George
05:45-!-cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org]
05:47-!-TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
05:47-!-roboboy [3aad2b37@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd
05:51-!-TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd
05:52-!-roboboy [3aad2b37@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]
05:54-!-sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit []
06:08-!-sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd
06:11-!-benspartan [~guest@afa07u05.u-3mrs.fr] has joined #openttd
06:14-!-benspartan [~guest@afa07u05.u-3mrs.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
06:15-!-benspartan [c2c78805@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd
06:15<benspartan>Hi there
06:16<@planetmaker>moin
06:16<benspartan>Is the 1.1.3 version is still available somewhere?
06:16<@planetmaker>yes
06:17<benspartan>I can't manage to find it
06:17<@planetmaker>binaries.openttd.org
06:17<@planetmaker>but why would you want that old version?
06:17<@planetmaker>IF you play 1.1 branch, I'd severly recommend 1.1.5 at least
06:18<benspartan>nice, i thought i would have to recompile it
06:18<benspartan>I know
06:18<benspartan>but ther server i usually play on is still on 1.1.3
06:19<@planetmaker>he's doing something wrong then
06:19<benspartan>the admin is a ghost is fact
06:19<@planetmaker>especially server owners should be interested in running the latest stable release, especially in this case
06:19<@planetmaker>As the fixes between 1.1.4 and 1.1.5 harden the server and make it less vulnerable to attacks
06:20<benspartan>I think he's not playing anymore
06:20<@planetmaker>you might want to consider other servers then :-)
06:20<benspartan>he just keeps the server up
06:23<benspartan>I like this one because maps are not huge, there is comptetion, a goal (8-9BGP) and nice people
06:43-!-benspartan [c2c78805@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]
06:48-!-MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:00-!-chester [~chester@128-68-25-207.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd
07:01-!-TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into]
07:03-!-avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
07:03-!-Hirundo [~Hirundo@178.63.83.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
07:05-!-orudge` [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd
07:05-!-orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:05-!-Osai [~Osai@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
07:05-!-avdg [~avdg@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd
07:05-!-luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
07:06-!-heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has joined #openttd
07:06-!-planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
07:07-!-Terkhen [~Terkhen@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
07:07-!-Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
07:07-!-heffer_ [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
07:07-!-luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has joined #openttd
07:07-!-Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has joined #openttd
07:07-!-planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd
07:07-!-Terkhen [~Terkhen@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd
07:07-!-mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ
07:07-!-mode/#openttd [+o Terkhen] by ChanServ
07:09-!-Hirundo [~Hirundo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd
07:09-!-Osai [~Osai@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd
07:11-!-TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd
07:11-!-Firartix [~artixds@www.clubnix.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
07:17-!-glevans2 [~glevans2@75-141-134-16.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com] has left #openttd []
07:25-!-Progman [~progman@p57A1A36A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd
07:39-!-Devroush [~dennis@ip-213-49-110-194.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd
07:52-!-kkb110 [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:56-!-kkb110_ [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd
08:09-!-Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-104.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd
08:14<xiong>Hi, I'm trying to understand why the center tile of a 3x3 block so often refuses to build, even under steady and long encouragement. Source seems to indicate that road access can be as far as a tile away; and I've seen buildings on the outskirts like that.
08:15<xiong>But even building a short, one-tile road section into the middle of a 3x3 block is not always enough to provoke it to build; while cutting the block down to a 2x3 usually *is* enough. What's going on?
08:16-!-orudge` is now known as orudge
08:16-!-mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ
08:16<xiong>I also notice that buildings seem to come in alongside new roads but not at the ends of them -- sometimes but less likely. True?
08:17<V453000>andythenorth: do petrol pumps/general stores die if they are ignored?
08:22-!-glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:98f4:c860:c739:7046] has joined #openttd
08:22-!-mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ
08:26<Rhamphoryncus>xiong: town growth is.. funky
08:26<xiong>Boy, it sure is!
08:27<Rhamphoryncus>It basically starts at the center, crawls outward in a random pattern, then eventually stops and does something
08:27<xiong>I don't know why Game Mechanics is silent on it.
08:29-!-DayDreamer [~DayDreame@178.248.252.206] has joined #openttd
08:29<xiong>I'm fairly certain that I can produce more or less consistent results by building the extra road across the edge of a 3x3 block. The trouble comes when there isn't such an edge vacant. I'm reluctant to doze three buildings (or even one) to encourage the center tile to build.
08:31<xiong>I'm even more peeved when I get the center to build, remove the extra road; the three newly vacant tiles build, too -- so all is well. And then, for some peculiar reason, the center building drops out -- perhaps four houses are replaced by a stadium, which later is replaced by... three houses. I feel I'm doing it wrong.
08:31<xiong>I don't like the so-called 2x2 grid at all.
08:34<Rhamphoryncus>2x2 grid with a center tile?
08:36<Rhamphoryncus>2x2 doesn't have center tiles
08:36<xiong>I mean, I prefer the so-called 3x3. I don't want to resort to 2x2 because I can't fill the centers of the 3x3 blocks.
08:37<Rhamphoryncus>all the 3x3 I see use the center tile
08:37<xiong>A 3x3 block is actually a 4x4 grid. Four is a good number. A 2x2 block is a 3x3 grid. Three is not such a great number. Besides, it's just too much road for the amount of town.
08:37<xiong>"Use"?
08:38<Rhamphoryncus>It has a building
08:38<xiong>Wait a minute; I may not have spoken clearly. Screenshot to the rescue... wait one.
08:43<xiong>http://imgur.com/wiZGG
08:44<Rhamphoryncus>hmm, so a lot of your 3x3 blocks have empty centres
08:45<xiong>Classic; illustrates all cases. Three blocks at town center have no building in center square. I've checked; they're not parks.
08:45<Rhamphoryncus>What version are you using?
08:45<xiong>Um, this is chillpack, hex version number, very hard to type. But I've seen just the same with vanilla nightlies.
08:46<xiong>Anyway, chillpack doesn't advertise any monkey business with town building.
08:46-!-Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd
08:47<Rhamphoryncus>hrm
08:47<Rhamphoryncus>What's the version on the vanilla nightly? Just to be thorough
08:47<xiong>Note that in some blocks I've forced the center tile to build with that extra road. You can see the south-most block has just now built its center and I've removed the extra road.
08:47-!-lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@194.Red-83-52-212.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd
08:47<xiong>*headscratch*
08:49<Rhamphoryncus>Also, take the vanilla nightly, open up scenario editor, place some 3x3 towns, then expand them and see what happens
08:50<xiong>Found it. Looks like 1.1.0-beta5 (2011-02-04).
08:50*Rhamphoryncus mumbles about "latest" not being a valid version, ever ;)
08:50<xiong>Yah, dunno, I hadn't thought in terms of serious diagnostics and experiments here.
08:51<xiong>I assumed at first, without thinking, that center tiles did not build because they had no road access -- open and shut.
08:51<Rhamphoryncus>Go grab the latest (heh) 1.2.0 beta: http://www.openttd.org/en/download-testing
08:51<xiong>I'm still assuming this is all normal.
08:52<Rhamphoryncus>I'm betting 1.2.0 added tweaked logic for 3x3 towns so it would fill in the centres
08:52<Rhamphoryncus>Or any of 1.1.1 through 1.1.5
08:52<xiong>Are you saying this is *not* normal? Are you blaming chillpack or, more likely, the vanilla base for whatever I've got?
08:53<Rhamphoryncus>I'm blaming your old version
08:53<xiong>I just thought I was doing it wrong.
08:53<Rhamphoryncus>It works fine for me
08:54<xiong>I never played real heavily with the vanilla version I have installed; I went to chillpack quickly. Did most of my old playing with nightlies.
08:54<Rhamphoryncus>But I would suggest one trick to try: rather than a road straight at the center tile you could go in, then turn. Make it a bend so it doesn't assume that road will get grown further
08:54<xiong>Ah yes. Thought of that. Note the block to the west of town center.
08:55<xiong>There, the "access road" is only a half-tile in, with a full-tile "T". So the center tile doesn't face an uncompleted dead end.
08:56<Rhamphoryncus>ahh right
08:56<xiong>I've also tried simple half-tile dead ends. Doesn't seem to matter. What does work is two or more adjacent tiles. I notice that block corners seem to build preferentially and theorize that quantity of adjacent tiles counts.
08:57<xiong>To the southwest I've got another "T" dead-end. Hasn't built. Nothing works as well as a road straight across.
08:58<Rhamphoryncus>Hrm. Looks like chillpak isn't currently developed
08:58<xiong>I guess if I care about this as much as I seem, I really should break out the most recent vanilla release, build some very specific demo towns, and work them scientifically. Store raw data, all of that.
08:58<Rhamphoryncus>It's based on an older version.. and he accidentally broke savegame compatibility with trunk
08:58<xiong>But the point of playing the game is to amuse myself, not make more work.
08:59<Rhamphoryncus>I'd recommend you live with it for now, but for your next game grab 1.2 (or whatever the latest beta is)
09:02<xiong>Yes, there's wisdom in that suggestion. But I really like some of chillpack's patches.
09:02<xiong>I'm not sure how eager I am to roll my own patchpack.
09:04-!-TWerkhoven2[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd
09:04-!-TWerkhoven2 [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd
09:07-!-TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:07-!-TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:19-!-Nite [5472b1fc@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd
09:19<Nite>Hi!
09:19<Nite>thanks for the 120beta4
09:20<Rhamphoryncus>My pleasure. Not that I had anything to do with it.
09:21<Nite>i wasn't able to connect properly in 1.1.5 so instead of talking to all the server hostings to change their settings of strange timeout parameters or something
09:21<Nite>i paused playing ottd (no 1.1.5 for me :-( )
09:21<Nite>1.2.0 works as fluid as ever for me
09:22<Nite>keep it taht way!
09:22<xiong>Thanks for talking about it, Rhamphoryncus. I'm now considering this not so much of a gameplay issue and more of a software issue.
09:22<Rhamphoryncus>xiong: *nods*
09:23<Nite>the extra zoom levels are a nice touch too (i set it to 2x in) will help with some signal constellations
09:23<xiong>At the least, it might be worthwhile to set up some serious test games and at least be able to write some sort of current documentation, with facts to back it up.
09:24<xiong>1.2.0 has extra zoom?
09:24<Rhamphoryncus>xiong: yup
09:24<xiong>Does that mean the 32bpp project has been folded into trunk?
09:24<Rhamphoryncus>nope
09:25<Rhamphoryncus>Well, I don't think so anyway
09:26<Rhamphoryncus>There is some sort of 32bpp renderer, but it's significantly slower, and I don't know if you can actually use 32bpp graphics.. or maybe it just doesn't come with them. No idea really.
09:27-!-xQR [~xor@the.x-base.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:27-!-orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:28-!-Hirundo [~Hirundo@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:28-!-^Spike^ [~Spike@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:28-!-Yexo [~Yexo@178.63.83.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:28<xiong>Are the signals any more readable?
09:28-!-Terkhen [~Terkhen@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:28-!-XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:28-!-dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:29-!-heffer_ [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has joined #openttd
09:29-!-Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:29-!-Markk [mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:29-!-luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:30-!-welterde [welterde@thinkbase.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:30-!-welshdragon [~mark-oftc@welshdragon.zernebok.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in]
09:30-!-Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has joined #openttd
09:30-!-luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has joined #openttd
09:30-!-heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:30-!-^Spike^ [~Spike@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd
09:30-!-^Spike^ is "I Don't Care!" on #osm @#openttdcoop.stable #openttdcoop.devzone @#openttdcoop.dev @#openttdcoop #openttd @+#coopetition
09:30-!-avdg [~avdg@178.63.83.101] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:31-!-welshdragon [~mark-oftc@welshdragon.zernebok.net] has joined #openttd
09:31-!-Terkhen [~Terkhen@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd
09:31-!-XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd
09:31-!-mode/#openttd [+o Terkhen] by ChanServ
09:32-!-planetmaker [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: ...und tschüß!]
09:32-!-Hirundo [~Hirundo@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd
09:32-!-orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd
09:32-!-Yexo [~Yexo@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd
09:33<Nite>btw
09:33-!-planetmaker [~planetmak@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd
09:33-!-avdg [~avdg@178.63.83.101] has joined #openttd
09:33<Nite>"Make default timeouts for certain network states lower and configurable [CVE-2012-0049] [FS#4955] (r23764)" ruined version 1.1.5 for me
09:33-!-Markk [mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has joined #openttd
09:33-!-planetmaker is now known as Guest2562
09:34<Nite>it loks like this is already back to as it was before in 1.2.0 anybeta
09:34<Rhamphoryncus>Nite: I was discussing that earlier
09:34<Nite>telling every host to configure his timeouts would be too much hassle
09:35<Rhamphoryncus>It needs a system that doesn't block play while someone is connecting
09:35<Nite>what was the outcome of the discussion? Rhamphoryncus
09:36<Nite>youmean pause play?
09:36<Rhamphoryncus>I can't recall heh
09:36<Nite>i can live with the short pauses
09:36<Rhamphoryncus>And yes
09:36-!-mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ
09:36<Rhamphoryncus>problem is the pauses aren't necessarily short
09:36<Rhamphoryncus>That's why the timeout is small
09:37<Nite>having cookies or chips on the desk solves the problem of the connecting player pause perfectly well !
09:37-!-xQR [xor@the.x-base.org] has joined #openttd
09:37<Nite>for me teh connecting timeout was ok
09:37<TWerkhoven2>im sure you can turn pause-while-connecting can be turned off, but that may prevent slower computers from joining if the game gets too big
09:37<Nite>but ingame i always got disconnected
09:37<TWerkhoven2>as they may not be able to catch up
09:38<+michi_cc>Rhamphoryncus: The 32bpp renderer is exactly the same renderer the ez patch used (only that they added a horribly complicated and slow recolouring that was calculated for every pixel). And since some time now you can supply extra zoom sprites in both 8bpp and 32bpp, somebody just has to draw them (I wouldn't count on the 32bpp project with their glacial speed).
09:38<Rhamphoryncus>michi_cc: ahh, I see
09:38-!-Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd
09:38-!-mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ
09:38<Nite>again: i could connect to game noramlly, i get disconnected in the first minutes of actually playing in 1.1.5
09:39<Nite>but i swept 1.1.5 off the drive already and put my hope in 1.2.0 (the beta works smooth)
09:40<Nite>maybee it will clear up in future what caused it ...
09:45-!-kais58_ [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd
09:47-!-theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-52-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:47<Nite>when does the "auto refit" button get nongreyedout ??
09:47-!-kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:48<Nite>Oh and, rivers are great addition
09:49<Nite>"flat" bridges come in mind
09:53<Nite>the changelog does not say that network timeout settings are back to old, but 1.2.0 still works for me ... hmmmmm ... whatever ...
09:56-!-dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd
10:01<+michi_cc>Nite: When you use a vehicle NewGRF with support for it.
10:02-!-kkb110_ [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
10:03-!-Guest2562 is now known as planetmaker_
10:04-!-planetmaker_ is now known as planetmaker
10:08-!-TWerkhoven2 is now known as TWerkhoven
10:09<Nite>the maintainance on off switch does what?
10:09<Nite>... have 2 go cya
10:09<+michi_cc>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=57293
10:10<Nite>ty
10:10-!-Nite [5472b1fc@ircip4.mibbit.com] has left #openttd []
10:13<Ammler>hetzner has a lot of network issues :0-(
10:15-!-kkb110_ [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd
10:18-!-frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00945c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd
10:31<@Belugas>hello
10:40-!-lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@194.Red-83-52-212.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
10:49-!-KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.8.192] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
11:05-!-CargoBoy [4f0b7dbf@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd
11:05<CargoBoy>hi all :)
11:06<CargoBoy>i have a question
11:06<CargoBoy>about oil transport
11:06<CargoBoy>i am trying to set up an oli service
11:06-!-Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus]
11:06<CargoBoy>that starts with a rail transport
11:06<CargoBoy>and finish with a road transport
11:07<CargoBoy>but my train station seems that do not accept oil
11:07<CargoBoy>why?
11:07<CargoBoy>how i have to do?
11:08<@Belugas>because a train station as such does not accept anything
11:08<CargoBoy>so what i have to do?
11:09<@Belugas>if you want your station to accept oil, you have to install it very close to a rafinery
11:09<CargoBoy>my train station includes a cargo stop
11:09<CargoBoy>so i cant tranship oil between trains and cargoes?
11:10<CargoBoy>(sorry 4 my bad english)
11:11<@Belugas>oil is transported from rigs and wells to this : http://wiki.openttd.org/Oil_Refinery
11:11<@Belugas>this produces goods
11:11<@Belugas>put your station as close as possible to it
11:11<@Belugas>after a while, the reginery will produce goods
11:12<CargoBoy>ok, i understand
11:12<@Belugas>pick them up and send them to the towns, if you have towns accepting goods :)
11:12<CargoBoy>ok :)
11:12-!-George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
11:12<CargoBoy>i hoped in combined transport :(
11:13<CargoBoy>to save some $$$
11:13<Elukka>you can have a vehicle drop the oil off on a station that doesn't accept it and have another vehicle pick it up and transport it to the refinery
11:13<Elukka>say, have a ship bring it to a dock and trains to transport it to the refinery
11:13<Elukka>you have to use the transfer order
11:14<CargoBoy>yes
11:14<CargoBoy>thisi
11:14<CargoBoy>this is what i want to do
11:14<CargoBoy>drop oil in the train station
11:14<@Belugas>you can do that too, but bear in mind that the cargo dropped at the station will "vanish" slowly
11:14<CargoBoy>and take it with a road transport
11:14<Elukka>yeah that's doable
11:15<CargoBoy>ooook
11:15<Elukka>in the orders menu click transfer on the station where you want to it to drop off the oil
11:15<CargoBoy>i'll try this
11:16<CargoBoy>this is the thing that i missed
11:16<CargoBoy>many thanks ;)
11:17<CargoBoy>see you soon my friends :)
11:17<CargoBoy>bye!!
11:17-!-CargoBoy [4f0b7dbf@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]
11:24-!-welterde [welterde@thinkbase.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd
11:26-!-welterde [welterde@thinkbase.srv.welterde.de] has quit []
11:26-!-welterde [welterde@thinkbase.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd
11:32-!-theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-231-155-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd
11:33-!-theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-231-155-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit []
11:33-!-supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd
11:33-!-theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-231-155-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd
11:48<supermop>hi
11:52-!-valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has joined #openttd
12:03<CIA-1>OpenTTD: michi_cc * r23945 /trunk/src/ (strings.cpp strings_func.h): -Fix: Better rounding when converting internal speed to displayed speed.
12:04<CIA-1>OpenTTD: michi_cc * r23946 /trunk/src/ (order_type.h timetable_cmd.cpp timetable_gui.cpp): -Codechange: Pass a proper enum instead of a bit flag to CmdChangeTimetable for indicating what to change.
12:04<CIA-1>OpenTTD: michi_cc * r23947 /trunk/src/ (15 files in 6 dirs): -Feature: Timetabled maximum travel speeds for non-flying vehicles.
12:04-!-mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-56-215.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd
12:05-!-cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-73-178.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd
12:06-!-Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd
12:15-!-Yacudzer [~yacudzer@ip244.net23.n37.ru] has joined #openttd
12:17-!-Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0f234c.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd
12:39-!-Firartix [~artixds@108.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd
12:40-!-lugo [lugo@209.141.56.5] has quit [Quit: over and out]
12:43-!-andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth]
12:43-!-Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd
12:44-!-theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-231-155-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
12:45-!-theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-231-155-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd
12:50<Yacudzer>hi all... could someone help with cyclotrons??
12:53-!-Mark [~Mark@5ED06D58.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
12:53-!-Markk is now known as Mark
12:53-!-cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-73-178.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
12:56-!-[1]Mark [~Mark@5ED06D58.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd
12:56-!-Mark is now known as Guest2581
12:56-!-[1]Mark is now known as Mark
12:59-!-MJP [~TdlQ@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd
12:59-!-DayDreamer [~DayDreame@178.248.252.206] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
13:07-!-cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd
13:28-!-Yacudzer [~yacudzer@ip244.net23.n37.ru] has quit [Quit: òåìíîìèðê 2.5.0.13: http://tiomny.by.ru]
13:29-!-Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd
13:29-!-mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ
13:29<@Alberth>moin
13:32-!-theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-231-155-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Quit: Forlater kanalen]
13:33-!-theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-231-155-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd
13:36-!-APTX_ [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd
13:38-!-APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
13:39<dihedral>yexo - you hurt my feelings ... you needed to be reminded of the admin port :-(
13:39<dihedral>;-)
13:40<@SmatZ>IS THAT A DIHEDRAL!?
13:40<@SmatZ>CAN'T BE!
13:40<@SmatZ>hello :P
13:42<dihedral>a dih-what? where?
13:42<@SmatZ>dih-e-drael
13:43<@SmatZ>http://dihedral.de/ : It works! :)
13:44<dihedral>oh yep :-D
13:44<dihedral>my fav last web setup was music.dihedral.de
13:45<dihedral>an online music library in flash on my own server :-)
13:45<@SmatZ>NULL
13:45<@SmatZ>:P
13:45<dihedral>/player
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r23948 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed)
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: belarusian - 31 changes by Wowanxm
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: english_US - 6 changes by Rubidium
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: finnish - 5 changes by jpx_
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: italian - 3 changes by lorenzodv
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: lithuanian - 6 changes by Stabilitronas
13:46<dihedral>i'll be back tonight ... i think :-P else tomorrow ;-)
13:46<@SmatZ>:)
13:46<@SmatZ>are you enjoying the Valentine's day evening? :)
13:47<dihedral>i do not think we are going to do anything other than relax
13:47<@Alberth>that's a good day to celebrate valentine's day :)
13:47<dihedral>my gf is a florist, and had to work late for all the blokes needing to buy something today ^^
13:48<@SmatZ>:-)
13:49<dihedral>well - i need to get a move on, else she aint gonna love me for being late - and that would be the end of a relaxed evening :-P
13:49<dihedral>laters
13:49<@SmatZ>bye bye dih :)
13:49<@Alberth>bye, enjoy your evening :)
13:51-!-cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org]
13:53-!-kkb110_ [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:58-!-sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:01-!-flaa [~flaa@089-101-093077.ntlworld.ie] has joined #openttd
14:01-!-TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:05-!-TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd
14:06-!-Chav` [~Chav@217-19-26-59.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #openttd
14:09-!-HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.168.186] has joined #openttd
14:14-!-peteris [~peteris@78.84.97.170] has joined #openttd
14:16-!-HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.166.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:17-!-JVassie [~James@2.27.104.165] has joined #openttd
14:21-!-Chav` [~Chav@217-19-26-59.dsl.cambrium.nl] has quit []
14:23-!-Wolf01 [~wolf01@host101-141-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd
14:23<Wolf01>haaaai
14:26-!-KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-209-172.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd
14:29<@Alberth>evenink
14:29-!-supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop]
14:41-!-Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-23-41-5.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd
14:44-!-flaa [~flaa@089-101-093077.ntlworld.ie] has quit [Quit: leaving]
14:49*Belugas yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyaaaaawns
14:50<frosch123>he, you can read my mind
14:51-!-HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6BD19.versanet.de] has joined #openttd
14:53-!-HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.168.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:55-!-HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.185.140] has joined #openttd
14:59-!-Stimrol [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has joined #openttd
15:01-!-Stimrol_ [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:02-!-HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6BD19.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:03-!-theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-231-155-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
15:03-!-theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-231-155-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd
15:13<@Terkhen>hello
15:18-!-supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd
15:19-!-andythenorth [~Andy@host86-169-180-203.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd
15:19<andythenorth>evening
15:20-!-chester [~chester@128-68-25-207.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:20<supermop>hi andy!
15:34-!-Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@client-86-23-41-5.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd
15:42-!-Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd []
15:45-!-Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@client-86-23-41-5.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi]
15:46*andythenorth ponders
15:46<andythenorth>HEQS -> pynml?
15:47<supermop>what does that mean?
15:50<__ln__>must be british english
15:53<andythenorth>means, should I convert HEQS code to python + nml?
15:53<andythenorth>from nfo
15:53<supermop>is it easy or at least interesting to do?
15:53<andythenorth>it's fun
15:53<andythenorth>but offers no gameplay benefit
15:54<andythenorth>it's bad engineering
15:54<andythenorth>it might be good entertainment
15:54<supermop>and are there future changes to heqs that will be helped by it?
15:54<andythenorth>refit vehicles to varying numbers of trailers
15:54<andythenorth>which is planned
15:54<andythenorth>otherwise...no
15:55-!-lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd
15:56<andythenorth>it would force me to decide whether to subclass objects or keep using squirrely 'if' statements
15:57<andythenorth>e.g. 'tractor' might be a subclass of 'vehicle'
15:57<andythenorth>or there might be lots of code like 'if type == tractor: stuff; elif type=='bulldozer': stuff; else: stuff
15:58<andythenorth>also it means I can avoid drawing BANDIT
15:58<supermop>ha
16:01*Hirundo objects, prefers bandit instead
16:04-!-supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:04-!-supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd
16:18*andythenorth doesn't convert HEQS :P
16:18-!-pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-103-191.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit []
16:21-!-tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-45-182.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd
16:25-!-theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-231-155-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:26-!-tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-131-218.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd
16:26-!-mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ
16:27-!-tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-82-57.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:27-!-kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd
16:30-!-tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-45-182.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:33<andythenorth>good night
16:33-!-andythenorth [~Andy@host86-169-180-203.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth]
16:43-!-tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-3-164.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd
16:44-!-kais58_ [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:45<frosch123>night
16:45-!-frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00945c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:47-!-JVassie [~James@2.27.104.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:48<Zuu>How would you make a 5 (or 6) answer question with the GameScript dialogs which can at most have 3 buttons?
16:48-!-tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-131-218.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
16:49<Hirundo>For a really fun UI, use the 4th dimension (aka time) ;-)
16:49<Zuu>Perhaps like a wizard with (prev), Start, Next.
16:50<Hirundo>ie click this button after 1 sec for answer A, 2 sec for answer B, etc
16:50<Zuu>Where start picks the scenario.
16:50<Hirundo>though your suggestion seems more appropriate :-)
16:50<Zuu>Especially as there are no generic buttons for making a tree selection.
16:50<Hirundo>It's a scenario picker?
16:51<Zuu>Eg. click 1 for chapter 1 or 2, click 2 for chapter 3 and 4, ... and then a second question below that one.
16:51<Zuu>Its a chapter selection dialog.
16:51<Zuu>For the tutorial.
16:51<Hirundo>then <prev start next> makes sense
16:52<Hirundo>you can also add a few short descriptions of what they learn in that chapter
16:52<Zuu>yep thats a bonus with this approach.
16:53<Hirundo>such mental preparation can be useful, also it might help if you don't remember exactly at which point you quit last time
16:54<TWerkhoven>3
16:58-!-cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd
17:00-!-kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd
17:07-!-peteris [~peteris@78.84.97.170] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
17:07<dihedral>oi
17:08-!-lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:08-!-lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@57.Red-88-19-214.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd
17:10-!-lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@57.Red-88-19-214.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded]
17:11-!-lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@57.Red-88-19-214.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd
17:12-!-kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:21-!-TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido]
17:32-!-TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:49-!-Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-23-41-5.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:52<Wolf01>'night
17:52-!-Wolf01 [~wolf01@host101-141-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.]
18:01-!-MJP [~TdlQ@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:08-!-DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd
18:12-!-mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-56-215.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:13-!-Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:24-!-Devroush [~dennis@ip-213-49-110-194.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit []
18:25-!-Devroush [~dennis@ip-213-49-110-194.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd
18:26-!-MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd
18:27-!-Devroush [~dennis@ip-213-49-110-194.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit []
18:29-!-valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:43-!-Mazur [~mazur@5ED04965.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Partir, c'est mourir un peu.]
18:44-!-Mazur [~mazur@5ED04965.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd
19:04-!-supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop]
19:04-!-kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd
19:06-!-Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:35-!-APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd
19:35-!-APTX_ [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
19:38-!-Firartix [~artixds@108.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:49-!-Firartix [~artixds@108.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd
19:57-!-KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-209-172.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
20:23-!-KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.8.192] has joined #openttd
20:26-!-cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org]
20:32-!-lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@57.Red-88-19-214.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
20:41-!-Firartix [~artixds@108.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:44-!-Progman [~progman@p57A1A36A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:34-!-kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:36-!-kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd
21:37-!-pjpe [ade6a119@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd
21:50-!-kkb110__ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-03.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd
21:50-!-kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
22:12-!-kkb110__ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-03.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:20-!-Pixa [~pixa@85.210.71.193] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
22:24-!-glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:98f4:c860:c739:7046] has quit [Quit: bye]
22:25-!-Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
22:27-!-TWerkhoven2[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into]
22:56-!-kkb110__ [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd
23:13-!-pjpe [ade6a119@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]
23:19-!-pjpe [ade6a119@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd
23:38-!-Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-104.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit []
23:42-!-cmircea [~cmircea@86.124.217.99] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
23:47-!-theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-116-154-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd
---Logclosed Wed Feb 15 00:00:47 2012