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01:55<Os>hi :)
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02:17<Leftie``>Hi
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03:13<__ln__>http://www.flickr.com/photos/astronomertogo/7273003854/in/pool-1906599@N24/
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04:14<Zuu>Hello
04:20<Osceola>hi
04:20<telanus>hi
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05:01<NGC3982>__ln__: fantastic.
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05:21<NGC3982>bah, im in the windows server mode
05:21<NGC3982>and i cant seem to load my game save to the network game
05:21<NGC3982>when using load <game.sav>, what is the default directory it searches?
05:24<lugo>you can "ls" and "cd" in the console afaik, default should be <openttd-folder>/save or similar :)
05:26<NGC3982>oh, i see
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05:26<NGC3982>ah, there we are
05:26<NGC3982>lugo: thank you :)
05:26<lugo>np
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05:54<burtybob>local a = GSCompanyMode(0); GSCompany.SetPresidentName("Jim Bob Jones"); GSLog.Info("New: " + GSCompany.GetQuarterlyExpenses(GSCompany.COMPANY_SELF, GSCompany.CURRENT_QUARTER));
05:54<burtybob>Using the above code in a NOGO script the log always says "New: 0" even if I build/destroy or do anything that costs money. What am I doing wrong?
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06:18<NGC3982>the (somewhat) new zoom really makes the game shine out.
06:18<NGC3982>i noticed myself playing almost entirely zoomed in
06:18<NGC3982>http://i.imgur.com/WMGRk.png
06:18<NGC3982>like that.
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06:19<Hazzard>NGC3982: ?
06:21<V453000>just stated that he plays zoomed in? :d
06:21<NGC3982>yes, and that i think i like it more then the default zoom.
06:21<NGC3982>makes it feel more personal
06:21<NGC3982>or something.
06:22<Hazzard>I wonder what the game would be like if the 2 extra zooms were the normal sprites with scale2x and scale4x
06:23<V453000>idk I think you just dont see enough with the 2x zoom, and 4x zoom is probably good only for investigating graphics
06:23<V453000>1x still feels the best to me
06:24<V453000>Hazzard: just dowlnoad some extra zoom stuff :) like the opengfx+ trains nightly
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06:25<Hazzard>do those have the extra zooms?
06:25<V453000>yes
06:26<Hazzard>brb
06:29<NGC3982>:)
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06:56<burtybob>local a = GSCompanyMode(0); GSCompany.SetPresidentName("Jim Bob Jones"); GSLog.Info("New: " + GSCompany.GetQuarterlyExpenses(GSCompany.COMPANY_SELF, GSCompany.CURRENT_QUARTER)); Using the previous code in a NOGO script the log always says "New: 0" even if I build/destroy or do anything that costs money. What am I doing wrong?
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07:09<burtybob>So it seems that the quaterly expenses only gets loan interest. :(
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07:16<burtybob>Is it a bug that GSCompany.getquaterlyexpenses only returns the loan interest?
07:16<Zuu>Eddi|zuHause: You need to find a post to comment in the AI/GS section and then you will own the entire forum :-)
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07:19<Eddi|zuHause>that would probably cause a quantum singularity or something :p
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07:28<frosch123>burtybob: it returns the sum of runningcost, infrastructure cost and loan interest
07:28<frosch123>i.e. all types of running cost which are not triggered by construction actions
07:41<NGC3982>i dont think we have lots of americans around here
07:41<NGC3982>but does someone know about the american "baby aspirin"?
07:41<Eddi|zuHause>over here, that is called a "placebo"
07:42<NGC3982>oh, really? no nutritiants?
07:42<Eddi|zuHause>american "aspirin" in general has _much_ less content than european aspirin
07:42<NGC3982>oh, i see
07:43<NGC3982>but the american aspirin still contaigns acetylsalicylic acid?
07:43<Eddi|zuHause>i would guess so...
07:43<NGC3982>that's at least what i find in the european (swedish) versions.
07:44<Eddi|zuHause>but in amounts where you'd need 10 or 20 pills to see the same effect
07:45<NGC3982>ah, i see.
07:46<NGC3982>the swedish version had 20% RDI (recommended take/day)
07:46<NGC3982>although, acetylsalicylic acids are not present in food.
07:47<NGC3982>so i guess (part from huge costs) you cant go bad on aspirin, that is.
07:48<burtybob>frosch123: I thank you for clearing that up :)
07:49<Eddi|zuHause>NGC3982: in germany, it is possible to get 500mg pills without consulting a doctor
07:50<lugo>NGC3982: ld50 is 200mg/kg for rats :)
07:51<Eddi|zuHause>NGC3982: anything stronger than that, a doctor must approve
07:52<NGC3982>lugo: "ld50"?
07:52<NGC3982>Eddi|zuHause: i see.
07:52<lugo>lethal dose
07:52<NGC3982>oh, im sorry, i didnt mean "you cant go bad" as in "not eating to much". i ment simply using it as a nutritian.
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07:53<Eddi|zuHause>NGC3982: i would probably not consume it on a regular basis, if that's what you ask
07:53<Eddi|zuHause>you could get addicted, or it could lose its effect if you actually need it
07:56<Eddi|zuHause>and like all medication, it can have unwanted side effects
07:58<NGC3982>i see
07:58<NGC3982>i have always been a bit afraid of medication
07:58<NGC3982>almost never had any
07:58<NGC3982>sticks and stones..
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09:13<CIA-1>OpenTTD: frosch * r24327 /trunk/src/script/api/script_company.hpp: -Doc: [Script] Improve documentation of ScriptCompany::GetQuarterlyIncome/Expenses().
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09:28<@Belugas>hello
09:42<Eddi|zuHause>who would wear sliced bread on his feet?
09:42<opa>o/
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09:49<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: breads are easier to wear if you slice them a bit in the middle to put your feet into
09:49<frosch123>did you never do that?
09:50<frosch123>*have you never done that?
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10:03<CIA-1>OpenTTD: frosch * r24328 /trunk/src/ (roadveh_cmd.cpp ship_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: Simplify some silly code.
10:10<Sacro>\o/
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10:52<NGC3982>http://i.imgur.com/PvaTi.png
10:52<NGC3982>arent those supposed to be animated when in use?
11:14<Eddi|zuHause>no, animation is random
11:14<NGC3982>i see
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11:14<NGC3982>though, i get nothing at all
11:14<Eddi|zuHause>maybe it isn't implemented
11:14<Eddi|zuHause>or drawn
11:15<NGC3982>http://i.imgur.com/aXJc5.png
11:15<NGC3982>ok
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12:41<Rawh>TrueBrain: You around?
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13:06<@Terkhen>hello
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13:13<Rawh>Terkhen: o/
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13:24<Xaroth>o/
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13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r24329 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files):
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: afrikaans - 2 changes by telanus
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: german - 2 changes by Jogio
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: hungarian - 63 changes by IPG
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: polish - 11 changes by wojteks86
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: swedish - 21 changes by Joel_A
13:46*telanus didn't do any translating today :D
13:46<telanus>me /took the day off. I never work on the 6/6 :D
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13:48<andythenorth>fricking linkedin password breach :P
13:49<TrueBrain>you got hacked? :P
13:49<andythenorth> no idea which sites I use that email / password combo for :P
13:49<andythenorth>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18338956
13:49<andythenorth>6 million passwords owned and leaked
13:49<andythenorth>allegeldy
13:50<TrueBrain>confirmed even
13:50<@Terkhen>gah, stupid linkedin
13:51<andythenorth>"could happen to anyone" :P
13:51<TrueBrain>no, it couldn't ......
13:51<andythenorth>I doubt other services are notably more secure
13:51<andythenorth>as the 'owner' of an infosec policy, it's hard to do right :P
13:52<andythenorth>linkedin have clearly done it wrong in this case though
13:52<TrueBrain>6M of the 35+M passwords are published
13:52<TrueBrain>so either he did not publish all he stole
13:52<TrueBrain>or something doesn't add up
13:52<TrueBrain>as you don't download a table partial
13:53<andythenorth>holding some back?
13:53<andythenorth>meh
13:53<andythenorth>who knows :P
13:53<Warod>Is the hash file available somewhere?
13:53<andythenorth>the interwebs has it apparently
13:54<Warod>too lazy to hunt for it
13:54<TrueBrain>Warod!
13:54<TrueBrain>what brings you here?
13:54<Warod>I had unique password and already changed
13:54<TrueBrain>holy crap :P
13:54<Warod>...
13:54<Warod>I've been here few months already. :)
13:55<Warod>I originally came to talk to you... but you didn't answer my priv. :P
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13:55<TrueBrain>hehe; too many windows, too busy :P
13:55<TrueBrain>I am so sorry :(
13:55<Warod>hehe, no prob. :)
13:55<Warod>I would've asked if you had spare time this summer. ;)
13:56<TrueBrain>I wish :P
13:56*andythenorth ponders RV bounding boxes
13:56<Warod>well.. at least I have now! :P
13:56<TrueBrain>haha :D
13:57<TrueBrain>you know what you should do Warod? Donate a mirror to OpenTTD! :P
13:57<Warod>well, not possible to your specifications. :P
13:57<TrueBrain>dammit :D
13:58<Warod>but BW for distribution is there...
13:58<TrueBrain>still need to write good software for that :(
13:58<Warod>if you're OK with what I can offer easilly. :)
13:58<TrueBrain>when I find some free time to write something for that .... I will :P
13:58<Warod>hah
13:58<Warod>git would do
13:58<Warod>or just cron based rsync or something
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14:00<Warod>git-http-backend would allow pushing. :P
14:00<TrueBrain>ugh, git ...
14:00<TrueBrain>ugh :P
14:00<TrueBrain>hg all the way!
14:00<Warod>:S
14:00<Warod>that's like using MS source safe! ;P
14:01<Warod>do you have problems with the bandwidth then?
14:02<TrueBrain>more with coverage
14:02<TrueBrain>US, NL, HU, current mirror locations
14:02<Warod>hm?
14:02<Warod>ah
14:02<TrueBrain>a bit smallish
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14:03<Rawh>What!
14:03<Warod>and you pick the closest mirror?
14:03<Rawh>Our mirror is 10gbit and you're calling it smallish?
14:03<TrueBrain>GeoIP, yes
14:03<Rawh>Wooo you!
14:03<TrueBrain>:D:D
14:03<TrueBrain>its not a bandwidth issue, a latency :)
14:03<Warod>eww
14:03<Rawh>Be glad I didn't /delete openttd on that michael mail :)
14:03<Warod>you only do distribution?
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14:03<TrueBrain>we also have only 1 US, I would love one on the other side of US too :P
14:03<TrueBrain>Rawh: believe me, I am :)
14:04<Rawh>Heh
14:04<TrueBrain>Warod: only binary download, yes :)
14:04<Eddi|zuHause>haha! :p
14:04<Warod>TrueBrain: So latency doesn't even matter. :P
14:04<TrueBrain>Warod: true-ish :)
14:04<TrueBrain>lets call it
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14:04<TrueBrain>bandwidth of the peering
14:04<TrueBrain>better? :P
14:04<TrueBrain>amount of transit?
14:04<Rawh>Wth does w/r mean?
14:04<TrueBrain>reducing transit traffic? :P
14:04<Rawh>with reaction?
14:04<Rawh>with right?
14:05<TrueBrain>who rknows?
14:05<TrueBrain>wee without ar?
14:05<Eddi|zuHause>width divided by radius!
14:05<TrueBrain>double-you without ar?
14:05<Warod>TrueBrain: Yeah, I chould do .fi dist from our corp too.
14:05<Warod>TrueBrain: No cost for .fi traffic @work really. :)
14:05<Rawh>double-u tee ffff
14:07<TrueBrain>Warod: optimal, that is where I want to go the mirror stuff to go too; but I have to write software first, as it seems to be non-existing, mirror software with validation etc (to see if data is mirror'd, automatically revoke mirrors if they fail, etc etc)
14:08<TrueBrain>holy crap, 300GB of bandwidth in 2 weeks on NL alone ... haha
14:08<Warod>TrueBrain: Umm.. couldn't nginx do that?
14:08<Rawh>TrueBrain: You can use launchpad
14:08<TrueBrain>Warod: how?
14:08<Rawh>Ubuntu started using it and it's growing with more projects / products fast
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14:08<chlorine>Hello
14:09<TrueBrain>Rawh: launchpad does binary distribution?
14:09<Rawh>No it does checking
14:09<TrueBrain>then I should look into that I guess :)
14:09<TrueBrain>hi chlorine
14:10<Rawh>I'm getting spammy mails when my ubuntu distro isn't uptodate, from launchpad
14:10<andythenorth>is the bananas text info updateable? iirc it is
14:10<andythenorth>a patch of mine for bananas went to production once
14:11*andythenorth ponders 'report abuse' section
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14:11<TrueBrain>andythenorth: we have! info@ ;)
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14:11<andythenorth>I know, but clearly some people don't find it obvious
14:12<andythenorth>which wastes the time of many others :P
14:12<TrueBrain>andythenorth: 'some' being '1' ;)
14:12<TrueBrain>but agree, the amount of time he wasted on many people is a bit insane ...
14:13*andythenorth might have bananas checked out somewhere
14:15<TrueBrain>while at it, rewrite it :D:D
14:15<TrueBrain>pretty please?
14:15<TrueBrain>please?!
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14:17<chlorine>Are there guidelines on where to place train depots somewhere?
14:17<TrueBrain>next to rail ;)
14:17<chlorine>It seems my trains keep going out of their ways to go to strangely placed depots.
14:17*chlorine slaps forehead.
14:17<chlorine>That's the trick then! ;)
14:17<TrueBrain>:D
14:18<chlorine>I often find trains where they should not be, and I wonder if it's because they're trying to go to depots.
14:18<Eddi|zuHause>chlorine: use "goto depot" or "service at depot" [with ctrl+click] on those trains
14:18<chlorine>It messes up the traffic big time.
14:18<Eddi|zuHause>then it will never ever try to visit other depots
14:18<andythenorth>TrueBrain: one day I learn WSGI and write a new bananas
14:19<andythenorth>maybe :P
14:19<andythenorth>only with a collaborator :P
14:19<TrueBrain>andythenorth: the day I finish brickland? :P
14:19<andythenorth>yup ok
14:19<andythenorth>I can do a lot of python page templates and stuff
14:19<chlorine>Eddi|zuHause, do you mean it will assign a depot to a train for all eternity?
14:19<andythenorth>backend, I'm a bad designer
14:19<Eddi|zuHause>chlorine: yes
14:19<chlorine>Should I do this when I build the trains then?
14:19<TrueBrain>andythenorth: honestly, I have a draft for BaNaNaS v2
14:19<andythenorth>backend stuff I just don't get correctly, I use bad ideas
14:19<Eddi|zuHause>chlorine: you do this in the order list, where you assign the stations
14:19<TrueBrain>but ... I keep running out of time
14:20<chlorine>Aahhh!
14:20<andythenorth>life
14:20<TrueBrain>Diablo 3 killed my free time last month
14:20<TrueBrain>I hate that game
14:20<Warod>lol
14:20<chlorine>I thought you meant the goto depot button on the right of the train window!
14:20<andythenorth>TrueBrain: not enough time to do things is solved eventually
14:20<Warod>I've played ottd first time for maaaany years
14:20<andythenorth>permanently
14:20<chlorine>I understand better!
14:20<chlorine>OK, I'll go and do that, thanks!
14:20<Warod>only game I've played for maaaaaaany years, too. :>
14:20<TrueBrain>Warod: gratz ;)
14:21<TrueBrain>andythenorth: I just didn't expect mb would be the cause ;)
14:21<TrueBrain>*trololol*
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14:21<andythenorth>mb is the instigator of many things, one way or another
14:21<TrueBrain>rarely for the good, sadly
14:22<TrueBrain>(does it show I am mad at him for emailing all the mirrors with his complaint?)
14:22<andythenorth>bananas - all the validation stuff looks fiddly
14:22<andythenorth>your forum reply to MB was very polite
14:22<TrueBrain>I had to stay within forum rules
14:22<TrueBrain>took me forever
14:22<TrueBrain>but tnx :D
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14:23<TrueBrain>and yeah, the most complex part of BaNaNaS is in validating files that get uploaded .. if that is what you mean with validation stuff
14:23<TrueBrain>it started off small ...
14:23<andythenorth>yup
14:23<andythenorth>the infringement of MB's copyright is a serious issue
14:23<andythenorth>but mailing all devs and mirror owners is seriously out of proportion
14:23<andythenorth>shows a lack of judgement and sense of context
14:23<andythenorth>it's *just* newgrf
14:24<TrueBrain>yup; it hurts more than it solves
14:24<TrueBrain>but okay, as it goes, we removed to offending file and blocked the grfid from ever being uploaded; easy peasy :)
14:24<andythenorth>whoever has posted it under fake GPL is a dickhead
14:24<TrueBrain>well, not so quick to judge
14:24<Xaroth>it's not a serious issue
14:24<Xaroth>it's an issue
14:24<TrueBrain>I did some research on who uploaded it
14:25<TrueBrain>a new user who came by and noticed it was lacking
14:25<Xaroth>having a giant hole where your intestines used to be, that's a serious issue
14:25<TrueBrain>not really reading the rules, most likely thought it would be a good thing to upload
14:25<andythenorth>Xaroth: was going to argue, but fair point :)
14:25<TrueBrain>the user in question downlaoded OpenTTD a few hours earlier
14:26<frosch123>so, a traditional ttdp user :)
14:26<TrueBrain>but meh; enough about this, has kept me busy long enough :P
14:28<andythenorth>lo frosch123
14:28<andythenorth>did you get inspired towards bounding boxes yet? :)
14:31<frosch123>i wrote a diff
14:31<andythenorth>ho
14:31<frosch123>i tried to test it; either the diff is wrong, or heqs is completely misalligned :p
14:32<frosch123>now i started writing a testgrf with vehicles made of coloured boxes
14:33<andythenorth>HEQS is a bad test case
14:33<andythenorth>the offsets are very botched
14:34<chlorine>I can't believe I gave orders to half my trains to go to the wrong depot :/
14:34<andythenorth>I could generate a test grf if required
14:34<chlorine>I'm really having a hard time with this game
14:34<andythenorth>can't generate test grf tonight though, have work to do :)
14:34<frosch123>http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/fs5204.diff <- andythenorth: if you want a test yourself :)
14:35<frosch123>i already did the sprites, but did not finish the nml yet
14:35<andythenorth>thanks
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14:42<andythenorth>I should hack BANDIT against this
14:42<andythenorth>"but first, write marketing docs!"
14:42*andythenorth has stuff to do ;)
14:51<andythenorth>frosch123: it compiles!
14:52<andythenorth>and also the bandit offsets mostly look ok
14:52<andythenorth>they are taken from foobar's templates in the nml tutorial
14:52<andythenorth>and the bb is shown correct size \o/
14:52<andythenorth>well, for \ and / views at least :)
14:53<andythenorth>I haven't confirmed with science that the patch has actually changed the behaviour
14:53<andythenorth>but it looks right
14:54<@Terkhen>chlorine: you should use shared orders, they make your life easier
14:55<chlorine>Terkhen, In this way I can make sure I give stupid orders to _all_ my trains at once ;)
14:55<chlorine>But you're right, I should get in the habit of using them.
14:56<chlorine>I only have 19 trains for the moment so it's still easy to manage, but I'd like to grow my network. :)
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15:16<andythenorth>frosch123: patch appears to resolve the issues I had with articulated trucks
15:16<andythenorth>vehicle info view is still screwed :)
15:17<frosch123>i thought it fixes that as well
15:17<andythenorth>depot view looks good
15:17<frosch123>i also change the vehlength to 32 with that diff
15:17<frosch123>which looks nice for heqs
15:17<andythenorth>vehicle info + vehicle list both look wrong
15:17<frosch123>depot is silly, don't look there, look at vehicle details :)
15:17<andythenorth>oh, depot view is screwed too
15:17<andythenorth>could be I need to adjust offsets
15:17<andythenorth>too many variables in this context :P
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15:20<andythenorth>HEQS doesn't look too broken to me
15:21<frosch123>i only looked at some trams
15:22<Eddi|zuHause>some of the GermanRV trams were screwed even before
15:23<andythenorth>HEQS trams have issues anyway
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15:23<Eddi|zuHause>and i thought RV always are 32px
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15:23<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: default trains were 29, with a flag to make it 32
15:24<Eddi|zuHause>yes
15:24<frosch123>rv have always been 28, with a more than 5 years old "TODO" comment in ttdp
15:28<Eddi|zuHause>i could have sworn that i read in the specs that RV always are 32
15:28<frosch123>hmm, why do i not have a checkout of ogfx+rv?
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15:31<Wolf01>hello
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16:45<supermop>hi
16:46<andythenorth>lo mop
16:47<supermop>how are you andy?
16:47<supermop>i want to build things
16:48<supermop>i miss living somewhere where i could drive to a lumberyard and just build something when the mood struck me
16:48<supermop>(and using the architecture school's shop for free)
16:51*andythenorth made a desk once
16:52<andythenorth>probably the most fun I've had while working
16:52<supermop>i love building furniture as a distraction
16:53<supermop>i am sort of in the mood to build a geodesic dome though
16:53<andythenorth>you could live in i
16:53<andythenorth>t
16:53<supermop>haha
16:53<supermop>not a lot of spare space for a dome in the east village though
16:55<andythenorth>build on the roof of your building
16:55<andythenorth>build in your apartment?
16:55<andythenorth>bucky dome?
16:58<chlorine>gotta go, bye everyone
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17:00<supermop>roof is what im thinking
17:00<supermop>but technically we are not allowed up there
17:01<supermop>and last summer while enjoying a beer on the roof, the 80-something chinese lady who lives on the sixth floor came up, shook her fist at me, then locked the door
17:01<supermop>so I had to climb over to the neighboring building and get their door open to go down to the street
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17:14<supermop>oops
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17:21<@Terkhen>good night
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17:42<frosch123>night
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