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---Logopened Wed Jun 13 00:00:19 2012
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01:05<andythenorth>Linus explains GPL about as well as anyone else - trust, fairness.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18419231
01:18<Kylie>Why is Free Software expanatioon necessary? sheesh
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01:32<andythenorth>Kylie: because 'giving away' stuff is counter-intuitive to a lot of the oversized monkeys we live with?
01:32<Kylie>andythenorth, LOL true
01:32<andythenorth>and because Linus explains GPL very well as not anti-commercial
01:33<andythenorth>unlike some of the foss advocates
01:33<andythenorth>:)
01:34<Kylie>ah
01:34<Kylie>anti-commeercial
01:34<Kylie>well, he gets [aid to writre linux
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02:16<Rubidium>good evening andythenorth ;)
02:16<andythenorth>bonsoir
02:16<andythenorth>@locate Rubidium
02:16<andythenorth>rubidium.getlatlong()
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02:18<Rubidium>49, -123
02:20<Rubidium>hmm, guess that needs more decimals to be even in the right country
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02:22<Rubidium>49.27, -123.20 is closer
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09:37<@Belugas>hello
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12:36<andythenorth>bonjour
12:38<@Terkhen>hello
12:38<andythenorth>how is uganda? :P
12:39<andythenorth>[sorry, just read a news story]
12:39<@Terkhen>better than us wrt to debt, for example :P
12:41<@Terkhen>andythenorth: that's just a small example of how our politicians act
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12:49<@Terkhen>hi frosch123
12:49<frosch123>hola terkhen :)
12:50<frosch123>why does my ottd address always get those "we have a great database of company emails and can send your spam to them; just like we currently send ours to you"-spams?
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12:54<@Terkhen>they might thing that OpenTTD needs a classical spam campaign for publicity
12:54<@Terkhen>think*
12:55<andythenorth>probably targeting US medical professionals?
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12:58<frosch123>well, they come in different languages
12:58<frosch123>today there were in german actually
12:58<frosch123>*they
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13:04<TrueBrain>frosch123: owh, I always reply to those to send me a quote
13:04<TrueBrain>:P
13:04<TrueBrain>(I am trolling, I hope you realise that before you hit the Send button on your reply :P)
13:06<frosch123>i always forward them to all my friends, it might be useful for them
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13:11<andythenorth>http://www.commercialmotor.com/big-lorry-blog/the-answer-is...it-s-an-aussie-scania-b-triple-and-biglorryblog-s-thanks-to-dan-ron-and-per-erik
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13:24<frosch123>hmm, is it normal that the longest trailer is at the back?
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13:29<andythenorth>in this one yes
13:33<NataS>From what I've seen, there are many configurations
13:33<NataS>some even have engines in the trailers
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13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: translators * r24341 /trunk/src/lang/ (czech.txt estonian.txt swedish.txt):
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: czech - 2 changes by ReisRyos
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: estonian - 53 changes by ISA
13:45<CIA-2>OpenTTD: swedish - 3 changes by Joel_A
13:47<Sacro>\o/
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14:00<Wolf01>hello
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14:48<@Alberth>evenink
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14:57<@planetmaker>hello
14:58<CIA-2>OpenTTD: frosch * r24342 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Feature: Also use the new multi-word filtering for script breakpoints.
14:59*Alberth waves hi
14:59<Wolf01>hello Alberth
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15:03<Zuu>Hmm, so I learned that you can do 'cd', 'ls' and 'pwd' in OpenTTD. However, when I go to Documents\OpenTTD\scenario in explorer, I can see that the scenario that I want to load is there. But when I go there with cd in OpenTTD and then do a ls, there are no files there. If I try to type load Split.scn, it says that the file doesn't exist.
15:03<Zuu>Is there a problem that ls/load only work with .sav but not .scn files?
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15:04<Zuu>I wonder, as 'reset' can't be used to re-start a scenario, so I'm looking for a command to quickly re-load the scenario I'm working with.
15:10<frosch123>the name of the scenario is unknown to the savegame
15:10<frosch123>you would first have to figure out a way to store it
15:11<frosch123>likely there would only be md5sum
15:11<Zuu>that is why I tried to use cd + load instead, but it failed
15:11<frosch123>though if you change the scenario that won't work
15:12<frosch123>skip the cd, and only use load?
15:12<Zuu>Split.scn: No such file or directory.
15:13<frosch123>he, using the console break the saveload gui while opened :p
15:13<Zuu>yep
15:34<@Yexo>Zuu: have you tried "load Split" without the .scn extension?
15:34<@Yexo>either save or load needs the filename without extension
15:34<Zuu>Yexo: No
15:35<Zuu>Yes, now I tried it. It doesn't seem to solve the issue.
15:35<Zuu>pwd says that I'm in the right folder
15:36<Zuu>ls doesn't display any files
15:36<Zuu>and "load Split" fail
15:36<Zuu>for the record, doing "cd ..; cd save; ls" gives a list of save files
15:36<@Yexo>oh, it's a scenario
15:36<@Yexo>I don't think ls/load support scenarios
15:37<Zuu>I agree on that though
15:37<Zuu>though_t_ even :-)
15:38<Zuu>but, perhaps it should support scenarios?
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15:38<@Yexo>http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/file/ebada770e6b3/src/console_cmds.cpp#l355 <- it filters for savegames
15:38<Zuu>Especially as you must go back to main menu to load a scenario, as that is not available in the floppy disk menu from within the game.
15:38<@Yexo>yes, I think it should
15:40<Zuu>From a newbies point of view it make sense to only have "play scenario" in the main menu of the gui, but it makes it tedios to develop scenarios that use bits of GS that need to be restarted for debugging etc. :-)
15:40<@Yexo>I agree it would be nice
15:40<@Yexo>as always: a patch is welcome ;)
15:40<Zuu>:-)
15:41<@Yexo>otherwise please make a feature request
15:41<@Yexo>could be a nice an easy task for the wiki page with easy issues
15:41<Zuu>I'll make a feature request, as I'm busy with this scenario.
15:42<Zuu>I did however make a patch to "fix" break on log to work with Game Scripts which is at FS. :-)
15:47<@Yexo>I hope somebody else can take a look at it soon
15:47<@Yexo>bye
15:47<Zuu>bye
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15:56<Zuu>If I have 6 iron ore mines, that in total produce 495 tonnes of iron ore, what is a reasonable goal of the total production of the steel mils in that game?
15:56<@Alberth>67%
15:56<Zuu>When the goal is met, the land is raised to form a bridge to a distant island which have all other secondary industries.
15:56<@Alberth>(just a random suggestion)
15:57<@Alberth>55% ?
15:57<Zuu>Is the relation 1:1 in the steel mill with respect to input => output?
15:57<frosch123>i think you need something higher than 67%
15:57<Zuu>(default industries with OpenGFX+)
15:57<frosch123>it should require to build a statue
15:58<frosch123>else you might just rush at the start of the game while exploiting the rating bonus of new engines
15:58<frosch123>Zuu: yes, the ratio is 1:1 for all default processing industries
15:58<frosch123>unless you hit the limit ofc :)
15:58<@Alberth>euhm, set up all up, then replace all engines in one year :p
15:59<@Alberth>-up
15:59<Zuu>So 70% might be a resonable goal?
16:00<frosch123>hmm, over what timespan do you need to hold the 70%
16:00<frosch123>?
16:00<frosch123>average over a whole year?
16:00<Zuu>One month
16:00<Zuu>currently
16:00<Zuu>But it could be changed to have a longer timespan
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16:37<frosch123>night
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17:30<Wolf01>'night
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17:53<@Terkhen>good night
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18:58<drac_boy>hi
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