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---Logopened Fri Jul 20 00:00:23 2012
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01:25<NGC3982> <- take a look at the big trains here.
01:26<NGC3982>half of the trains in the station have full load, and the rest does not
01:26<NGC3982>still, they are stuck there, at 100%.
01:29<Rubidium>or cargo in the engines, and rounding 99.51 to 100%, and full load all instead of full load any
01:29<Rubidium>or... time to go
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02:16<NGC3982>Rubidium: i found it.
02:16<NGC3982>the end station didnt accept goods any longer
02:16<NGC3982>and for some reason, the trains didnt move.
02:55<Supercheese>night all
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03:02<@Terkhen>good morning
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03:07<telanus>morning Terkhen
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05:11<NGC3982>i cant get this to work properly
05:12<NGC3982>isnt city funding usable in the cfg on the latest stable version?
05:12<@Alberth>do you have it enabled in the settings?
05:12<NGC3982>so it is a setting?
05:12<NGC3982>i fail to find anything about it :/
05:14<NGC3982>there we are
05:14<@Alberth>wikis don't get updated by themselves, unfortunately
05:15<@Alberth>economy -> towns
05:15<@Alberth>'Founding towns in game'
05:16<Eddi|zuHause>oh you meant "found"... "funding" is something different (as in "fund new buildings")
05:17<NGC3982>yes, i noted that the word "fund" was the key to my demise.
05:17*NGC3982 also notes his english never seems to improve.
05:18<@Alberth>founding and funding are very different things :p
05:21<NGC3982>while im at it
05:21<NGC3982>i have seemed to misplace the town labels for some reason
05:21<NGC3982>it's not removed in the transparency options
05:21<NGC3982>what else can it be?
05:21<Eddi|zuHause>there's a separate entry in the settings dropdown
05:23<NGC3982>ah, i see. ill look it up.
05:24<FLHerne>Is there any reason why that's not in the transparency bar?
05:26<@planetmaker>yes... one couldn't agree on what should go there or not ;-)
05:26<FLHerne>What's the argument for not putting it there, then? :P
05:26<@planetmaker>for reasons like 9 shortcuts make it easy or so :-)
05:27<@planetmaker>(numbers 1-9)
05:27<@planetmaker>and the reason of course it also "needs change, needs be coded"
05:27<@planetmaker>(but no really good one :-P )
05:28<FLHerne>Normal reasons, then? :P
05:29<@planetmaker>same as like with why you give money to players, not companies
05:29<@planetmaker>which I find even more stupid :-)
05:29<Eddi|zuHause>it breaks "one person multiplayer"
05:30<@planetmaker>or absent players
05:30<@planetmaker>or AI player support
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05:39<hackalitttlebit>Alberth: I need some help with fs5147, I am switching gamemode on the fly and I am not really certain if that is allowed :(
05:40<@Alberth>what's gamemode?
05:41<Eddi|zuHause>scenario editor?
05:41<@planetmaker>game, editor, main menu
05:41<hackalitttlebit> GM_MENU, GM_NORMAL, GM_EDITOR,
05:42<@Alberth>ok, does not sound logical to switch back and forth between them I agree :)
05:42<@planetmaker>and indeed there's iirc a procedure to switch game modes. As many things need re-initialization
05:42<@planetmaker>it's not just changing that variable.
05:42<@planetmaker>all adv. settings need checking. Newgrfs maybe applying etc
05:43<@Alberth>why do you do it, why do you need it?
05:43<@Alberth>you're just programming a gui, right?
05:44<hackalitttlebit>calling land generater from within scenario editor or from main menu
05:44<hackalitttlebit>gui is ready
05:44<@Alberth>nice :)
05:44<FLHerne>@fs 5147
05:45<hackalitttlebit>tried to make it work, but realy needs verification
05:46<@planetmaker>hackalitttlebit: can it be that you change \n to \n\r ? I see in the (large) diff things which look like that
05:46<hackalitttlebit>hg does that I think, I need to study hg better
05:46<@planetmaker>e.g. the first hunk
05:47<@planetmaker>hg doesn't do that on its own...
05:47<hackalitttlebit>today I will try to make a patch that applies to trunk
05:47<@Alberth>hackalitttlebit: convincing your editor to use unix line conventions works better probably
05:48<hackalitttlebit>yes need to configure that
05:49<@planetmaker>the two supplied patches are basically unreadable as the whole files are changed due to that
05:49<Eddi|zuHause>hg diff -w
05:49<Eddi|zuHause>or something
05:53<@planetmaker>possibly. But that's fixing the symptom :-)
05:57<hackalitttlebit>planetmaker: I cut some vars in english.txt and that was not so smart ;) makes diff really big I think
05:58<@planetmaker>hackalitttlebit: I don't think so. You also replace the header and stuff
05:59<@planetmaker>the diff is a 1MByte text file...
05:59<hackalitttlebit>I leave empty space next patch
05:59<@planetmaker>thus you change 500kByte of text - considerably more than a few variables :-)
06:00<@planetmaker>as Alberth suggested: configure your editor to obey line endings and not change them for the file being edited
06:05<@planetmaker>(removing trailing white is also a good idea)
06:06<@Alberth>hackalitttlebit: change 1 character in a file, ask hg for the diff, save it to a file, and load the file in an editor. You should see about 10 lines of text (bit of header, some prefix-context, the previous and new version of the changed line, and some post-fix context
06:07<@Alberth>ie a diff is not magical, it's just text
06:09<hackalitttlebit>tnks alberth, today is cleaning day :) (for me)
06:09<@planetmaker>I guess "remove trailing whitespace" only sucks if you programme in whitespace :-P
06:10<@Alberth>I normally review the changes for 'weird' things after I am done. It's amazing how often you find new things by doing that. I'd recommend you to do the same
06:10<@Alberth>planetmaker: CTH also has some significant white space in its config file. I don't know whether it's a programming bug, or a Lua language bug
06:11<@planetmaker>I fully agree, Alberth :-) I find many quirks that way in my things, too
06:12<hackalitttlebit>ok I'll do some cleaning and will let you know, see you
06:12<@Alberth>ok, good luck
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06:22<Eddi|zuHause>gnah why can't i get Monkey Island - Special Edition to run in wine?!?
06:22<Eddi|zuHause>they even had a few bug fixes wrt that exact game recently... but it still won't run...
06:29*FLHerne still can't get AoE II to work :-(
06:30<Eddi|zuHause>last time i tried that, 9 out of 10 times the AI would immediately give up
06:31<@Alberth>"oh, it's you again :( I give up."
06:31<Eddi|zuHause>i'm not THAT good :p
06:31<FLHerne>That can be frustrating :-(
06:32<FLHerne>In fact, everything diplomatic fails badly with the AI
06:35<@peter1138>Last time I tried that I got bored about about 1 minute.
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06:38<FLHerne>peter1138: The first minute of most games is boring :P OTTD included...
06:41<@planetmaker>FLHerne: really? I thought they're interesting. As you decide what to do, where to build, etc
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06:41<@planetmaker>boring are minutes 10 to 30 :-)
06:42<NGC3982>bah, this language barrier
06:42<NGC3982>i wish to stop industries from closing down, and i cant find anythin suitable
06:43<NGC3982>and im having trouble formulating the search
06:43<@planetmaker>might be related to "not in the default game"
06:43<@planetmaker>you might look for FIRS or manual industries
06:43<@planetmaker>they solve that as newgrfs
06:43<@planetmaker>as mutually incompatible one
06:43<@planetmaker>FIRS requires setting of parameters to not close down industries
06:44<NGC3982>this is for the default industries
06:44<NGC3982>oh, its not configurable in the default game?
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06:45<NGC3982>ah, i see.
06:45<NGC3982>that might explain why i didnt find anything
06:45<@planetmaker>with default industries the "manual industries" newgrf can be of help. But of course only for new games
06:45<NGC3982>thank you
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07:09<@peter1138>HEAD LIKE A HOLE
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07:10<hackalittlebit>done :)
07:13<@planetmaker>:-) Want to clean my flat, too? :-D
07:13<hackalittlebit>if you live in honolulu yessss
07:14<@planetmaker>hackalittlebit, such carelessness already led once to the event that I woke up a friend at 3am ;-)
07:15<@planetmaker>"you can show up anytime, if you bring Quiche". "really? anytime?" "really" "ok"
07:15<@peter1138># TERRIBLE LIE
07:18<@planetmaker>but we had a nice breakfast on the hill West of the town. Watching a nice summer sunrise :-)
07:18<@planetmaker>Just the working day was terrible. Luckily it was Friday :-P
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07:44<@peter1138>... and now I have a SELECT COUNT() that is taking several hours o_O
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07:49<LordAro>good afternoons
07:51<Eddi|zuHause>peter1138: need more indices!
07:51<@peter1138>I don't see how a select with no where clause needs indices :-)
07:52<Eddi|zuHause>ok, another try: you need XML databases!!
07:53<@peter1138>XML yes
07:53<@peter1138>solves everything :D
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09:12<LordAro>curious, if you type "tmwftlb" into google( a tt-forums thread is 3rd link :)
09:13<@Alberth>hi :) I am not that curious :)
09:15<TrueBrain>General Notice: will go offline for the next few hours
09:46<@Belugas>oh no... come on... why?????
09:46<@Belugas>my life depends on it!
09:47<TrueBrain>sad life
09:47<TrueBrain>sorry to say :P
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11:15<LordAro>TrueBrain: because of my bug report?
11:15<TrueBrain>no, not really
11:15<TrueBrain>[15:14] <TrueBrain> I am going to pull the wiki offline and try to update it to a more recent version; I am bored out of my mind, so why not :P
11:17<TrueBrain>LordAro: from what I can tell, the things you mention in your bug report either never worked, or are already fixed :P
11:17<TrueBrain>and I can't find any wikipedia links on Openttd.cfg?
11:18<LordAro>well, the sortable table in 'Developers' did work (made it myself :) )
11:18<TrueBrain>owh, that ini link
11:18<TrueBrain>that is just horribly broken
11:18<TrueBrain>even with the latest software
11:18<TrueBrain>someone used the wrong syntax I am guessing
11:18<LordAro>and people have been removing the 'broken' wikipedia links, so it may have disappeared :L
11:19<TrueBrain>and something like sortable tables ... we haven't touched the wiki for months
11:19<LordAro>meh, i'll check when the wiki's back up
11:19<TrueBrain>so it cannot be an issue on the software side :P
11:19<TrueBrain>but it works for me in this new version
11:19<TrueBrain>so meh :P
11:20<TrueBrain>but on that note
11:20<TrueBrain>LordAro: <- please test it; be careful, it is LIVE data! (so changes will persist when this goes live)
11:23<FLHerne>TrueBrain: What's different?
11:23<LordAro>wikipedia links apparently still don't work (as per )
11:25<@Alberth>FLHerne: wiki software was upgraded
11:26<FLHerne>I saw, but any new features etc that need prodding?
11:27<FLHerne>Also, don't manual newgrfs go in .openttd/newgrf now?
11:27<TrueBrain>LordAro: which would be odd ..
11:27<LordAro>changelogs somewhere here:
11:28<FLHerne>LordAro: Thanks
11:28<LordAro><TrueBrain> LordAro: which would be odd .. <-- huh?
11:29<TrueBrain>LordAro: it is a default mediawiki deploy
11:29<TrueBrain>so why wouldn't a default thing work?
11:29<LordAro>don't ask me :L
11:32<TrueBrain>I see no reason why it wouldn't work
11:36<TrueBrain>haha, I know why it doesnt work :D
11:36<TrueBrain>owh, old errors coming back to bite us
11:37<TrueBrain>we once changed from latin to UTF
11:37<TrueBrain>a Char(32) got \0 chars added
11:37<TrueBrain>so it is not "WikiPedia"
11:37<TrueBrain>but "WikiPedia\x00\x00\x00\x00...."
11:37<TrueBrain>which is handled very very wrong
11:37<TrueBrain>(and funny :P)
11:39<LordAro>lol :P
11:39<LordAro>an easy fix?
11:39<TrueBrain>I can' remember
11:49<TrueBrain>I Somehow first had to convert it back
11:50<TrueBrain>but ... I cannot remember how :P
11:52<LordAro>too google!
11:59<TrueBrain>wish it gave me an answer :(
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12:08<TrueBrain>ha, finally
12:08<TrueBrain>it works
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12:13<TrueBrain>General Notice: is back online
12:13<TrueBrain>please do report any issues
12:19<LordAro>one thing i noticed a while ago: no favicon
12:19<TrueBrain>ah, tnx, I was looking into that
12:19<TrueBrain>got side tracked
12:19<TrueBrain>and was searching my ass what I was doing
12:19<TrueBrain>favicon :D
12:20<TrueBrain>I just noticed it too :)
12:21<LordAro>yay, now i can use the Vector theme :D
12:21<@planetmaker>vector theme?
12:22<LordAro>like wikipedia('s default skin)
12:22<TrueBrain>and there is the favicon :)
12:22<TrueBrain>k, off for dinner
12:23<@planetmaker>thx a lot, TrueBrain! :-)
12:23<LordAro>extremely minor: the title is 'OpenTTD' should perhaps be 'OpenTTD Wiki'
12:23<@planetmaker>enjoy your meal
12:24<@planetmaker>yes... how do I change that, LordAro?
12:25<LordAro>no idea, i've never managed a mediawiki thing before :P
12:25<Rubidium>must say the vector theme looks nicer
12:25<@planetmaker>ok, thought you do :-)
12:27<@planetmaker>indeed it looks nicer
12:27<@planetmaker>so thanks for the hint :-)
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13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: translators * r24418 /trunk/src/lang/ (catalan.txt lithuanian.txt polish.txt vietnamese.txt):
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: catalan - 6 changes by arnau
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: lithuanian - 6 changes by Stabilitronas
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: polish - 6 changes by wojteks86
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: vietnamese - 14 changes by nglekhoi
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14:34<TrueBrain>iek, the "geheimdienst" also visits our channel? Omfg, I have to be careful now :(
14:34<TrueBrain>(it is dutch for secret service)
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14:41<Rubidium>TrueBrain: only spelt incorrectly
14:41<TrueBrain>Rubidium: tomato tomato
14:42<Rubidium>TrueBrain: buoy boy ;)
14:43<TrueBrain>Rubidium: ananas ananas
14:47<Rubidium>interestingly, dennenappel does not translate to pineapple (even though literally it would)
14:49<Rubidium>yay for work meetings in the forest ;)
14:50<@Alberth>TrueBrain: I was thinking German
14:53<TrueBrain>Alberth: patato patato
14:54<Rawh>You know it's potato, right?
14:54<TrueBrain>Rawh: color colour
14:54<Rawh>TrueBrain: ignore silence
14:55<@Alberth>still bored eh?
14:55<Rubidium>potato was the first Debian (and Linux) I installed myself
14:55<TrueBrain>Alberth: very much
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14:56<@Alberth>we can live without Flyspray for a hours too :p
14:56<TrueBrain>sadly, there is no update of FS
14:56<TrueBrain>owh, there is, but nothing of relevance
14:56<TrueBrain>I do want to try Jira, but for that I first need to free up memory
14:57<@Alberth>bummer, that costs brain cells :(
14:57<TrueBrain>I guess I could look into mirror software of some kind ...
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15:12<+michi_cc>TrueBrain: You seems to be outdated:
15:12<TrueBrain>michi_cc: like I said: there is an update, but nothing of relevance
15:12<TrueBrain>it has to do we don't use a real version; we use a SVN version
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15:15<TrueBrain>wow, is it me, or do you feel sleepy all of a sudden?
15:15*Sleepie wonders why ;)
15:15<@Alberth>must be you
15:16<Sleepie>TrueBrain: you crossed my plan to fix something in the wiki today ;)
15:18<TrueBrain>the wonderful thing about being a SysOp: you always cross someones plan :P
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15:18<ben1066>is there a channel for openttd on android?
15:19<__ln__>humans only
15:19<Rubidium>ben1066: not that I know
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15:20<TrueBrain>if there would be any channel, it should hold a bot that says: you shouldn't want to play this game on a small device :D
15:21<Rubidium>TrueBrain: being a sysop, how long would it take you to create a Windows instance in a VMWare environment?
15:21<TrueBrain>Rubidium: Windows? 2 hours :P
15:21<Rubidium>TrueBrain: then you're way too fast for my company ;)
15:22<TrueBrain>its a tedious job, doing a Windows rollout
15:22<TrueBrain>even more with the wrong licenses :(
15:22<TrueBrain>how long did it take them?
15:22<Sleepie>TrueBrain: well at least you have don't too early. I had not started editing... :P
15:22<Rubidium>don't know, my "work" sysop hasn't finished yet
15:22<telanus1>would it be possible to change the exchange rate of the south African Rand to 8.20 to the $ as it's been around that mark the last year and a bit
15:23<TrueBrain>telanus1: why not write a patch that updates those things live from the internet?
15:23<TrueBrain>otherwise it makes little sense, to constantly update all the rates :P
15:23<Sleepie>Don't they pre-configured images?
15:23<TrueBrain>Sleepie: depending on your license, you are not allowed
15:23<Rubidium>TrueBrain: I'm only waiting since begin May though
15:23<TrueBrain>Rubidium: lol ... wow
15:24<Rubidium>two weeks ago he wrote an email that he would start "after the weekend"
15:24<Rubidium>today he seems to be actually working on it thing
15:24<Sleepie>well I don't know we have sysops fo this, but they quite fast if there is a problem
15:24<telanus1>TrueBrain: i was looking thru the source (Quickly) to see if I can find it, so that I can update it locally for me
15:24<telanus1>but couldn't find it
15:25<Rubidium>Sleepie: yes, only about 2 weeks for a reinstall after the HDD failed beyond repair
15:25<TrueBrain>I am btw serious, it would be nice if you can 'update' those rates via internet
15:26<Sleepie>Rubidium: omg thats ridiculous
15:26<Rubidium>telanus1: anything with decimals is basically not possible
15:26<frosch123>Sleepie: if power outage problems are fixed within 10 minutes, they might have needed the socket for the coffee machine
15:26<TrueBrain>LOL @ frosch123
15:26<telanus1>ok Thanx
15:26<TrueBrain>I have to remember that :D:D
15:27<frosch123>TrueBrain: it's somewhat a quote from bofh
15:28<Rubidium>Sleepie: I might be overloading the sysop with work though, given I've become the defacto DBA. Waiting 2.5 months for the sysop to backup the new SQL server, waiting the same amount of time for him to get all clients in the company migrated to the new server (a simple one-time script I wrote that needs to be executed on all clients)
15:29<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r24419 /branches/1.2/ (62 files in 5 dirs):
15:29<CIA-4>OpenTTD: [1.2] -Backport from trunk:
15:29<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] GetReverseCargoTranslation() was unnecessary complicated and also returned the wrong thing for cargos not present in the translation table (r24273)
15:29<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Load cargo- and railtype-translation during both reservation and activation stage. That way they can be selected using Action7 depending on present cargo- or railtypes (r24272)
15:29<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Use the same colour scheme for the script selection window as in other comparable windows (r24268)
15:29<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Make the oilrig-vehicle list accessible to spectators and colour its caption neutrally grey [FS#5126] (r24260)
15:29<Sleepie>Rubidium: that sounds not really fun
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15:31<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r24420 /branches/1.2/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
15:31<CIA-4>OpenTTD: [1.2] -Backport from trunk:
15:31<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Make the AI settings window behave more like the other settings window by closing the query window whenever selecting a different row (r24315)
15:31<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Editing NewGRF parameters using the query window showed wrong values, if there was no direct relation between parameter index and parameter register (r24314)
15:31<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Center object previews in 1- and 2-view selectors based on the 4-view selector layout [FS#5057] (r24299)
15:31<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Increase the left and right margins of the text in the yes/no query window (r24293)
15:31<Sleepie>Rubidium: we have three sysops but they support our 150 developers quite nicely. if there is a problem it is normally fixed very fast
15:32<@Belugas>1 5 0 devs???
15:32<frosch123>i would guess here are about 10 sysops for 200 devs
15:32<Sleepie>yes really
15:32<frosch123>but their advanced experience does not help them
15:33<frosch123>Belugas: there are shades of "developers"
15:33<Rubidium>1 sysop, 3 devs, but there are a few (maybe 25) other people as well
15:34<@Belugas>we are 10 devs, and we are all our own sysops
15:34<frosch123>hmm, actually my 200 is too high, likely more than 150; i should not count the bureaucracy guys
15:34<@Belugas>okok, we do not run linux
15:34<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r24421 /branches/1.2/ (7 files in 3 dirs):
15:34<CIA-4>OpenTTD: [1.2] -Backport from trunk:
15:34<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: EQUALSIZE widget containers within EQUALSIZE containers were initialised with wrong sizes (r24346)
15:34<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: The cursor in the company password window was not blinking due to wrong magic constants (r24335)
15:34<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Change the length of 8/8 roadvehicles in vehicle lists to 32 pixels; this is in fact the correct length as can be seen in corners for short articulated parts following each other [FS#2553] (r24332)
15:34<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Group vehicles in the purchase list properly by source GRF, but also consider engine GRFID overrides [FS#4254] (r24330, r24321)
15:35<frosch123>i think we have even a specialist sysop for the 10 secretaries
15:36<frosch123>fixing stuff like recovering files that were accidentially moved to a different folder
15:36<Rubidium>I got full rights on my "workstation" though, and the admin password of the servers
15:37<Sleepie>well the company I work for is mostly a software service provider, so we are all consultants and don't have such a big infrastructure
15:37<Rubidium>my company barely has any infrastructure
15:38<frosch123>Rubidium: i thought you have control over thousands km of tracks? :p
15:38<FLHerne>When I click on something on the minimap, it doesn't seem to quite centre it on the main view. Is it supposed to?
15:38<Rubidium>frosch123: not owned by my company ;)
15:39<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r24422 /branches/1.2/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
15:39<CIA-4>OpenTTD: [1.2] -Backport from trunk:
15:39<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: When airport construction was denied due to noise, the error message named the wrong town (r24354)
15:39<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] A TileIndex is not a station id, so do not use it as one [FS#5215] (r24353)
15:39<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: When highlighting the drop position for vehicles in depots, make space for all articulated parts (r24352)
15:39<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Short vehicles were not properly positioned at the cursor when dragging for RTL languages (r24351)
15:39<Sleepie>we have several virtual servers for all kind of test environments and than all the usual stuff for mail, intranet, ....
15:40<Rubidium>so your company's sysop has more IT infrastructure to manage than mine
15:40<frosch123>FLHerne: works for me
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15:41<FLHerne>frosch123: It almost does, but it's about half an inch off to the right :P
15:41*FLHerne waves a metre-rule at his screen
15:41<Rubidium>FLHerne: buy a smaller screen
15:41<Sleepie>well at least it is 95% windows based
15:42<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r24423 /branches/1.2/ (7 files in 2 dirs):
15:42<CIA-4>OpenTTD: [1.2] -Backport from trunk:
15:42<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: ReInit could crash for windows with NWidgetMatrix widgets [FS#5218] (r24378)
15:42<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Extended action A1 did not work correctly [FS#5227] (r24369, r24361)
15:42<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Add C(XX)FLAGS_BUILD to all the executables that are compiled for the build enviroment (r24365)
15:42<frosch123>FLHerne: are you using some modified build with zoom-in minimap?
15:42<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Ship-specific 80+x variables were missing for unknown reason [FS#5224] (r24360)
15:42<frosch123>i would not be able to tell the difference between clicking one tile on the minimap
15:42<FLHerne>No. I am using a patched version, but nothing relating to minimaps
15:43<FLHerne>I can see when I'm clicking on the corner of an industry, though
15:43<@Alberth>with a big map?
15:43<frosch123>hmm, looksl ike there are some rounding errors involved
15:43<Sleepie>every patch is guilty until proven innocent ;)
15:43<frosch123>when i scroll a bit, then rectangle on the minimap changes in size
15:43<frosch123>at least for 4x zoom in
15:44<@Alberth>iirc you get tiles of 4x4 then
15:44<frosch123>same happens for other zoom levels, but is not noticeable that much, because the rect on the minimap is bigger
15:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r24424 /branches/1.2/ (20 files in 4 dirs):
15:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: [1.2] -Backport from trunk:
15:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Use the 'all vehicles' group for the autoreplace window from the vehicle list [FS#5239] (r24392)
15:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Do not consider not finding a particular base set critical; just load a different one and display an in-game error later on [FS#5233] (r24388)
15:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Make IsInDepot() functions behave consistent across vehicle types and add IsChainInDepot instead, if that is what shall be checked [FS#5188] (r24384)
15:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Call Vehicle::IsStoppedInDepot only for the first vehicle in a chain (i.e. primary vehicle or free wagon) (r24382)
15:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Do not resize the object GUI when selecting objects. Rather clip the object name (r24379)
15:46<FLHerne>frosch123: On the minimap, I need to click 5 'pixels' to the right of the intended point to get the main view exactly centred
15:46<frosch123>FLHerne: i cannot find any horizontal misplacement
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15:46<frosch123>though i would think that when zooming out the clicked position ends up as the center of the upper edge of the viewport, instead of the center of the rect
15:48<frosch123>ah, the vertical misplacement is caused by terrain height
15:48<frosch123>it scrolls to where the clicked location would be at height 0
15:48<frosch123>so, usually stuff is in the upper part of the viewport
15:48<FLHerne>Horizontal misplacement, too. Scales with main view zoom
15:48<frosch123>anyway, i cannot reproduce any horizontal misplacement
15:49<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r24425 /branches/1.2/ (11 files in 4 dirs):
15:49<CIA-4>OpenTTD: [1.2] -Backport from trunk:
15:49<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: [Windows] Unbreak NewGRF MD5 sum calculation. Macros and side effects do not mix, especially if there is some obscure '#define min' in a windows header that nobody thinks of [FS#5231] (r24416)
15:49<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Disallow removing roadtypes from bridges when not dragging in bridge direction [FS#5221] (r24414)
15:49<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Draw wires under low bridges if the bridge is transparent, not if the wire is transparent (r24403)
15:49<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: Station properties 11 and 14 were combined incorrectly [FS#5243] (r24402)
15:49<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: [Windows] Changing resolution did not resize the window (r24394)
15:49*FLHerne tries a scenario with everything at sealevel
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15:51<Sleepie>TrueBrain: with the wiki updated, can we use interwiki links (wikipedia) now?
15:51<TrueBrain>Sleepie: unrelated to the update, but yes
15:51<TrueBrain>that broke months ago, and nobody noticed earlier
15:52<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r24426 /branches/1.2/src/lang/ (31 files in 2 dirs): [1.2] -Backport from trunk: language updates
15:53<Sleepie>ah ok, so I'll have to update a few links
15:54<FLHerne>frosch123: Occurs with an entirely flat map at sealevel, too :P
15:54*FLHerne finds a stable version to test with
15:59<FLHerne>Also the case in 1.2.0-RC4 :P
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16:04<FLHerne>Displacement varies across map, too. Exactly right if I centre the far left corner, ~1.5in (on my screen, max zoom) off at the right corner
16:04<frosch123>maybe you are using full screen and your display is misconfigured
16:04<frosch123>so you do not see the whole screen :p
16:06<FLHerne>Toolbar is centred fine :P
16:06<FLHerne>North and south corners are 3/4 in or so off, as I expected
16:10<FLHerne>Same for an industry corner in the centre of the map
16:10*FLHerne wonders why minor displacement when centring the map seemed important anyway
16:13<frosch123>FLHerne: testing that at the map borders fails
16:13<frosch123>you cannot scroll over it, so it is limited by that
16:14<frosch123>scroll vertically while trying to scroll as far right as possible
16:14<frosch123>then you wil notice that a vertical displacement will enforce a horizontal displayment at the border
16:15<telanus1>anyone played this: Railworks 3: Train Simulator 2012
16:15<FLHerne>I see. Works for objects placed near the borders, too, though
16:20<FLHerne>I placed a road tile 10 tiles in from the right-hand corner, and clicked on it in the minimap. Even allowing for inaccurate mouse, inexact representation etc, the main view centres ~1.5in to the right of where it should :P
16:20*FLHerne loses interest and watches Avatar instead :P
16:29<TrueBrain>people downloading completely .. that isn't really nice ...
16:29<FLHerne>TrueBrain: Who does that? And why? ;o
16:30<TrueBrain>an IP
16:30<TrueBrain>no clue
16:30<TrueBrain>my magic bowl is damaged :P
16:30<Rubidium>missing robots.txt?
16:31<TrueBrain>GoogleBots can crawl us
16:31<TrueBrain>fine by me :P
16:31<TrueBrain>but this was wget
16:31<TrueBrain>which is much less ... nice
16:31<frosch123>maybe they print a book :p
16:32<TrueBrain>I always love fetching stats from the webserver
16:32<TrueBrain>99% of the unique visitors load < 500 pages
16:32<TrueBrain>but we have exceptions :P
16:33<TrueBrain>8500 pages
16:33<TrueBrain>why would you open 8500 pages?
16:33<TrueBrain>what is your interest? :P
16:33<frosch123>my browser warns be when opening more than 20 tabs :p
16:34<TrueBrain>owh, I could have known: googlebot :D
16:34<TrueBrain>FlySpray doesn't give any caching indication in return
16:34<TrueBrain>so every day it spiders us :D
16:35<frosch123>we do not yet have 8500 taks
16:35<TrueBrain>https and http :P
16:36<TrueBrain>@calc 650000 / 24 / 60
16:36<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 451.388888889
16:36<TrueBrain>@calc 650000 / 24 / 60 / 60
16:36<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 7.52314814815
16:36<TrueBrain>7.5 hits per second on average (24h window)
16:37<TrueBrain>260k to wiki, 230k to media, 60k to hg (??), 32k to www, 12k to secure
16:37<TrueBrain>500 binaries.ttdpatch, 500 forum.openttd
16:38<Sleepie>TrueBrain: I found something strange in the wiki ->
16:38<TrueBrain>6k IPv6 ...
16:38<TrueBrain>@calc 6000 / 650000
16:38<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 0.00923076923077
16:38<TrueBrain>@calc 6000 / 650000 * 100
16:38<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 0.923076923077
16:39<TrueBrain>Sleepie: you have to be a bit more specific; your strange is clearly not mine
16:39<Sleepie>I cannot edit this page, because it states I'm banned to edit it even with strange dates
16:39<TrueBrain>as the page loads and shows content; so as far as I care, nothing strange :)
16:39<TrueBrain>so you are banned from editing our wiki? :P
16:40<Sleepie>only for this page at the moment, but the dates for the ban ar older than the page itself
16:42<Sleepie>You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:
16:42<Sleepie>Your username or IP address has been blocked.
16:42<Sleepie>The block was made by MeusH. The reason given is spammer.
16:42<Sleepie> Start of block: 21:45, 16 March 2006
16:42<Sleepie> Expiry of block: infinite
16:42<Sleepie> Intended blockee: Sleepie
16:42<Sleepie>You can contact MeusH or another administrator to discuss the block.
16:42<Sleepie>very strange that
16:42<TrueBrain>so ... why are you talking to me then? :)
16:43<Sleepie>because you are the sysop :P
16:43<TrueBrain>yeah, a common mistake :) I maintain the software as such, not its content :)
16:43<TrueBrain>maybe planetmaker has an idea
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16:43<TrueBrain>but system-wise, it is working as intended ... no clue why you would be banned
16:43<TrueBrain>(except from the obvious one .. you are a spammer! :P
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16:44<Sleepie>I didn't know until today
16:44<Sleepie>but in this case I would have been expected to be completely banned and not only for one page
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16:45<Sleepie>they might be more of course that I don't know yet
16:46<frosch123>that ban date matches some other user
16:46<frosch123>so, it might be the ip
16:47<frosch123>"Automatically block the last IP address used by this user, and any subsequent IP addresses they try to edit from" <- that's checked
16:47<TrueBrain>frosch123: where can you see those things?
16:48<frosch123> <- actually there
16:48<frosch123>it's on the last page
16:48<Sleepie>iirc I don't even had registered an account at that date
16:48<frosch123>second ban ever given :p
16:48<TrueBrain>frosch123: ah, kewl
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16:49<frosch123>Sleepie: not you are banned, your ip is banned
16:50*Sleepie wants a new ip
16:50<frosch123>anyway, is it safe to lift bans from 2006?
16:50<frosch123>or only lift the ip ban?
16:50<TrueBrain>gimme one se
16:53<TrueBrain>I was wondering how mediawiki tracks those IP blocks
16:53<TrueBrain>can't figure it out
16:53<TrueBrain>so what-ever :P
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16:54<TrueBrain>frosch123: I think it is very safe to remove such old blocks :)
16:55<frosch123>Sleepie: i removed the ip ban
16:55<frosch123>only the registered username is banned
16:55*Sleepie tries again
16:55<frosch123>though i guess its account was never merged :p
16:56<Sleepie>hmm still see below
16:56<Sleepie>You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:
16:56<Sleepie>Your username or IP address has been blocked.
16:57<Sleepie>The block was made by frosch. The reason given is spammer.
16:57<Sleepie> Start of block: 21:54, 20 July 2012
16:57<Sleepie> Expiry of block: infinite
16:57<Sleepie> Intended blockee: Rebbel
16:57<Sleepie>You can contact frosch or another administrator to discuss the block.
16:57<TrueBrain>hahaha, you rebbel
16:57<@planetmaker>you spam the wiki for years already ;-)
16:57*Sleepie is now two persons
16:58<@planetmaker>(in a most welcome way)
16:58<TrueBrain>hmm .. spam ...
16:58<TrueBrain>I would like some
16:58<TrueBrain>I am rather hungry
16:58<@planetmaker>yes. so am I
16:58<@planetmaker>I guess I only have cheese, though
16:58<Sleepie>well I had a longer break
16:59<Sleepie>better than nothing
16:59<frosch123>ok, try again
16:59*Sleepie is trying
16:59<frosch123>it does not let me cancel the ip block, so unblocked as a whole
16:59<frosch123>just assuming that the central auth system broke that user anyway
16:59<TrueBrain>its a safe assumption :)
17:00<Sleepie>ok now I should content MeusH again but the block id has changed to #7
17:00<TrueBrain>and one of the better things of the new signup system, it is much harder for them to register an account .. so now we only have anonymous spam :P
17:00<Sleepie>contact not content
17:02<frosch123>Sleepie: what's your ip?
17:02<TrueBrain>long live DHCP? :)
17:02<frosch123>that's not in the ban list
17:02*telanus1 waves night
17:03<frosch123>anyone else having problems with wiki edits?
17:03<frosch123>that is, anyone not being admin
17:03<Sleepie>its working now a logout/login fixed it
17:03<Sleepie>thx a lot
17:04<frosch123>ah, ok
17:04*Sleepie goes now spamming the wiki :P
17:05<TrueBrain>let me block you
17:05<Sleepie>but wait till i have added all those viagra links
17:05<TrueBrain>okay, but hurry!
17:06<Sleepie>its fryday no need to hurry
17:06<TrueBrain>there is always need to hurry :P
17:10<Sleepie>*arrgh* now its complaining when I try to save...
17:18<Sleepie>now I'm totally banned and cannot edit any page :(
17:23<TrueBrain>sounsd horrible
17:26<TrueBrain>what is the timestamp in the block notification?
17:26<TrueBrain>(and you were already totally banned ever since your ISP gave you the new IP earlier today :P)
17:26<Sleepie>Start of block: 21:47, 16 March 2006
17:26<TrueBrain>login/logout plz
17:27<Sleepie>no I edited my userpage today already
17:27<TrueBrain>before you got this IP
17:27<Sleepie>I'm no sure I might look in my router
17:28<TrueBrain>just login/logout to the wiki now :P
17:28<Sleepie>ok will try
17:29<Sleepie>hey seems to work again many thanx
17:30<Sleepie>I hope I don't get a banned ip too soon again
17:30<TrueBrain>downside of your ISP
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17:36<Sleepie>I'll go crazy... another block ID #12
17:37<frosch123>why are you getting all the old bans?
17:37<Sleepie>I have no idea
17:38<Sleepie>after TrueBrain "fixed" something I could make a test edit on my user page 5min ago
17:39<Sleepie>than editing failed again
17:43<frosch123>oh, that isle of wight was added to the template
17:43<frosch123>that's why it is so misplaced
17:44<Sleepie>yes I was going to fix this
17:47<Sleepie>Could this be the reason for my problems ->
17:55<Sleepie>thx for fixing the template frosch
17:55<frosch123>that might explain why you are only blocked from some pages
17:56<Sleepie>but if I understand that page correctly the autoblock should go away after 24hours
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18:13<TrueBrain>I start to wonder if the latest update is to blame, as this is just odd .. but still possible to be the autoblock
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18:23<TrueBrain>lol; Sleepie got sick of it and got himself a new IP? :P
18:24<Sleepie_>but could be that this also fails because of the autoblocking feature of mediawiki
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18:25<TrueBrain>I suggest trying to edit to village pump
18:27<Sleepie>ok testing...
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18:28<TrueBrain>owh noes, a Lord_Aro!
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18:31<Sleepie>TrueBrain: <- seems to work, I wonder how long, though ;)
18:31<TrueBrain>owh, lolz, village pump is no longer what it used to be :P Owh well :D
18:31<TrueBrain>now I can block you again for indecent changes :P
18:32*Sleepie is now known as a onetime-spammer and banned forever :P
18:32<TrueBrain>ah, Sandbox, that name is more logic .. oops :D
18:33<Sleepie>I'll do a revert
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18:34<TrueBrain>I am quicker :P
18:35<Sleepie>And I'm blocked again :(
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18:35<TrueBrain>which date this time?
18:36<Lord_Aro>my router sucks :(
18:36<Sleepie>wait let me check
18:36<Sleepie>still Start of block: 22:10, 23 March 2006
18:36<TrueBrain>please logout and login again
18:38<Sleepie>done, but I guess it will happen again
18:38-!-Lord_Aro is now known as LordAro
18:38<Sleepie>it seems I can make one edit afterwards and then I'm blocked again
18:38<TrueBrain>so try that please
18:41<Sleepie>hmm now I could edit my user page twice seems like voodoo
18:42<TrueBrain>it is also not like I did nothing
18:42*Sleepie fears to try a third time
18:42<TrueBrain>but the real test is a real page
18:42<TrueBrain>Talk: and User:<own> are often allowed, despite a block
18:42<Sleepie>will do
18:45<Sleepie>failed :(
18:45<TrueBrain>LordAro: mind editing Sandbox a few times?
18:45<TrueBrain>I need to know if non-admins get banned, or that autoban is annoying Sleepie here
18:45<TrueBrain>Sleepie: which date on the ban?
18:45<Sleepie>Start of block: 14:19, 2 December 2006
18:46<LordAro> <-- this link?
18:46<Sleepie>a different one this time
18:46<TrueBrain>LordAro: no, Sandbox
18:46<TrueBrain>(linked from there :P)
18:46<TrueBrain>Sleepie: it has been a different one every time :P
18:46<Sleepie>this one ->
18:47<LordAro>seems to work
18:47<TrueBrain>and you can edit it again? :)
18:50<TrueBrain>LordAro: ? :)
18:51<Sleepie>got banned from internet
18:52<TrueBrain>thank you!
18:52<TrueBrain>Sleepie: you are just in bad luck, and this autoban seems to hit you on a lot of old names :P
18:52<Sleepie>so I think I just have to be patient for 24h
18:52<TrueBrain>strangely, I can't get any information about it
18:52<TrueBrain>while documentation says I should
18:52<TrueBrain>which is annoying
18:53<Sleepie>no I think there were some words about that even admins have no insight to this
18:53<TrueBrain>there should ben an IPBlockList
18:53<TrueBrain>which doesn't exist
18:54<TrueBrain>so yeah, wait 24h+, and see if it still is there
18:54<TrueBrain>if so, lemme know
18:54<TrueBrain>if not ... though luck
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18:55<Sleepie>If we have bad luck this could also hit other users now... if they get my "old" ip and they one I'm having now
18:55<TrueBrain>rollback is a nice button, but it doesn't ask for confirmation
18:55<TrueBrain>which is rather nasty
18:55<TrueBrain>Sleepie: yup
18:56<TrueBrain>this can ban a complete ISP
18:56<TrueBrain>serve it right, stupid DHCP ISPs
18:56<TrueBrain>give a leech for 24h+
18:56<TrueBrain>a new one EVERY 24h is stupid
18:56<TrueBrain>really really stupid tbfh
18:56<TrueBrain>makes people 'anonymous' on the internet
18:57<Sleepie>yes true
18:57<TrueBrain>and I think it is stupid I cannot find in the database about this blocking shit
18:57<Sleepie>I guess the have intentionelly hidden that in a pandora box
18:59<Sleepie>in a few years everybody will have static ipv6 addresses
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19:00<TrueBrain>even your fridge will
19:00<Sleepie>I'm still unsure if that will be better or not
19:04<TrueBrain>so yeah .. I have no clue why it would ban you :P
19:04<TrueBrain>I can't even find IPs of the user that got banned, and you are presented with
19:04<TrueBrain>so no fucking clue how mediawiki can :P
19:05<Sleepie>so you don't have this ipblocklist site on the our wiki?
19:06<Sleepie> <- this one
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19:16<TrueBrain>Sleepie: it doesn't work
19:17<TrueBrain>it redirects to the normal blocklist
19:17<TrueBrain>which doesn't mention anything
19:17<TrueBrain>which is why I started to doubt what happened
19:17<TrueBrain>but lets wait 24+h, and check back
19:17<TrueBrain>for now, off to bed for me; night guys
19:19<Sleepie>good night TrueBrain
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19:25<LordAro>hate my fukin internet connection
19:31<Sleepie>why so slow or so unstable
19:31<Sleepie>or both?
19:46<LordAro>not slow, just that my router sees to cut out at random intervals...
19:51<Sleepie>maybe the router is the problem then
20:07<Sleepie>bedtime for me now, g'night
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