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---Logopened Sat Jul 28 00:00:35 2012
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02:13<@Terkhen>good morning
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02:32<telanus>Morning
02:37<@Terkhen>hi telanus
02:37<@Terkhen>thank you for your translation, I'll commit it soon :)
02:49<telanus>cool,
02:49<telanus>Thanx
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04:34<telanus>http://goput.it/em9.png
04:34<telanus>me current game I started yesterday
04:40<Supercheese>Valete amici
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04:51<Wolf01>'morning
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04:58<telanus>Mornong wolf01
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05:05<@Terkhen>hi Wolf01
05:05<Chris_Booth>hi all
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05:17<@Terkhen>telanus: for the credits, do you prefer "telanus" or "te_lanus"?
05:19<telanus>aby of the 2
05:19<telanus>but I'll go with the te_lanus
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05:22<@Terkhen>ok :)
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05:57<@Terkhen>telanus: done, thanks :)
06:07<NGC3982>telanus: how cute.
06:11<telanus><NGC3982> telanus: how cute. <====== ?
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06:23<NGC3982>the screenshot.
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06:32<TrueBrain>General Notice: you can no longer edit our wiki if you are not logged in.
06:33<@peter1138>That was possible...?
06:34<TrueBrain>peter1138: since its beginning, yes
06:34<@peter1138>o_O
06:34<TrueBrain>you were presented with a nice Captcha etc
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06:37*NGC3982 noticed that
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06:47<andythenorth>bonjour
06:48<andythenorth>c'est Samedi
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06:50<NGC3982>-S+s
06:51<NGC3982>je me repose.
06:53<@Terkhen>hi andythenorth
06:53<andythenorth>salve
06:54<V453000>Samedi = bierjour?
06:54<NGC3982>computers are funny.
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06:56<NGC3982>it certainly gives room for philosophy, when an i7 processor needs 45 seconds to calculate 2*96 in the calc.exe software.
06:56<NGC3982>how on earth did programming go so wrong.
06:58<Wolf01>it's the same philosophy of "why on the old 486 669Mhz with 64MB of ram I could run win 2000 + internet explorer and on my 1GHz 128MB of ram I have troubles opening the google search page"
07:03<NGC3982>indeed.
07:03<NGC3982>and, on a daily notation
07:03<NGC3982>do -not- try to boil moka coffee without the filter installed.
07:04<Wolf01>and I don't want to talk about tablets, which are the worse power/performance ratio than every other electronic device
07:06<Wolf01>NGC3982, and do not try to make a cappuccino with a moka using milk instead of water (it might explode)
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07:06<NGC3982>yes.
07:06<NGC3982>i forgot the filter (since i cleaned right before using the brewer)
07:07<NGC3982>water mixed directly with coffee and stuff got seriously everywhere ;_;
07:09<andythenorth>I think I'm about to get banned for trolling a lego forum
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07:11<NGC3982>:D
07:11<frosch123>there might be children, you must not deny existance of santa
07:11<andythenorth>meh
07:11<andythenorth>some of you are not native English speakers, can you tell this is a satire? http://news.lugnet.com/general/?n=43860
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07:12<TinoDidriksen>That's obviously satire.
07:12<andythenorth>not to Lego fans :P
07:12<andythenorth>apparently
07:13<andythenorth>even English speaking ones
07:13<andythenorth>I find Lego fans weird
07:13<andythenorth>I should stop hanging out in those places
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07:15<frosch123>andythenorth: write a similar text about ottd and post it on the forums
07:15<frosch123>then you have another sample to answer such questions
07:16<andythenorth>he
07:16<andythenorth>maybe we should write 'traumatic events in the life of a newgrf author'
07:16<frosch123>complain about not provided with ponies, removal of pbs, miniin, 32bpp tar and general lack of support for chillpp
07:16<andythenorth>but we haven't annoyed enough people yet
07:17<frosch123>oh, and ofc ottd devs not implementing cbh and et
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07:18<frosch123>and instead removing support to execute arbirtrary commands without company using modified servers
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07:22<frosch123>anything important forgotten?
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07:23<Rubidium>huge maps
07:25<Wolf01>daylength
07:27<NGC3982>Eddi|zuHause: i solved my FIRS engineering supplies issue with these guys, btw: http://i.imgur.com/sFOGC.png
07:27<NGC3982>they only carry one crate of supplies, so it was easy administrating them with full load orders.
07:29<andythenorth>vans!
07:29*andythenorth has no idea why people run all those stupid train-based supply delivery things
07:29<andythenorth>with the massive train dropping off
07:29*andythenorth has some ideas, but they're not friendly :P
07:30<NGC3982>trains are fast
07:30<NGC3982>and neat.
07:30<NGC3982>but yes, true.
07:30<V453000>you can cheat that a little
07:30<V453000>like if you make big train delivery into a transfer station which is only for that industry
07:30<V453000>and the transfer station just makes sure minimal amount is used monthly
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07:31<NGC3982>yes, a timetabled truck, for instance
07:31<V453000>requires almost nothing extra and uses the supplies very effectively
07:31<NGC3982>if i understand engineering supplies correctly, the amount delivered doesnt matter as long as it's >1, and it's delivered every month?
07:31<andythenorth>yup
07:31<V453000>unfortunately there is also the option of a general refit which basically shows the biggest weaknesses of firs
07:32<andythenorth>it might change, if I can be bothered to play test a game with patch to change supplies
07:32<andythenorth>biggest weakness of FIRS?
07:32<NGC3982>andythenorth: finaly, a constructive use of timetables, then! :)
07:32<andythenorth>:)
07:32<V453000>like, you have a train which picks up iron ore, drops it, refits to metal, picks up metal, drops metal, refits to ES, drops ES at its iron ore mine
07:32<NGC3982>i use refit orders a lot
07:32<andythenorth>V453000: "that's a feature" :)
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07:32<V453000>once you learn how to do this, you are able to make very simple loops of this happening, and you can ignore many cargoes of FIRS
07:32<NGC3982>it's not that effective, but it's a fun way to play.
07:33<V453000>it is extremely effective
07:33<andythenorth>is it kind of boring?
07:33<V453000>the FIRS industries will start growing in such gigantic rates that even if you have like 4 of them you will still gain a gigantic amount of traffic extremely early in the game
07:34<andythenorth>I think we're done, finished, over with all the established, conventional play styles
07:34<NGC3982>V453000: you know what, ill try it.
07:34<NGC3982>ill restart ttd.dndr.se
07:34<NGC3982>and give it a shot.
07:34<andythenorth>whether you play co-op styles, or (like me) single-track railroading
07:34<NGC3982>feel free to monitor my experiment.
07:34<andythenorth>adding 'more industries, more cargos' hasn't really improved gameplay any
07:34<V453000>indeed
07:34<andythenorth>it's just delaying boredom a bit longer
07:34<V453000>well
07:35*NGC3982 usually creates FIRS based maps and ads a bit more primary industries.
07:35<NGC3982>at least in our bigger multiplayer games
07:35<NGC3982>it makes it a bit more fun (with a bit less wait).
07:35<V453000>NGC3982: if you do the refit, you get constant supplies for all the primaries from 1st year of service
07:35<V453000>no waiting at all
07:35<V453000>the industries just skyrocket
07:36<NGC3982>oh
07:36<NGC3982>well, ok.
07:36<NGC3982>with only one train?
07:36<V453000>it is almost too much, you have to play nonstop to be able to cope with the increasing traffic
07:36<V453000>definitely not with one train :d
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07:37*andythenorth thinks it's time for GS
07:38<andythenorth>but first....other things :P
07:38<V453000>NGC3982: you will probably need to include NUTS trains in order to have the right wagons
07:38<V453000>for the refit
07:39<NGC3982>NUTS?
07:39<NGC3982>im using 2CC+FIRS
07:39*NGC3982 just need some more star trek DS9 to make this day perfect.
07:40<V453000>well whatever train set will provide you with the wagons which are able to use the refit
07:41<NGC3982>yes
07:41<NGC3982>uh, sorry, i mean: yes, i have.
07:41<NGC3982>SBB Am 4/6 <3.
07:42<NGC3982>ah
07:42<NGC3982>V453000: now i understand. of course i dont have the proper wagons.
07:42<NGC3982>mhmhm..
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07:44<V453000>well that is what nuts universal wagons are for :(
07:44<V453000>:)
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07:45<andythenorth>you need some ships that refit too :P
07:45<NGC3982>now, let's see.
07:45<NGC3982>V453000, andythenorth: http://i.imgur.com/sUhZ5.png
07:45<NGC3982>something like that
07:45<frosch123>andythenorth: good point
07:45<frosch123>if ships could transport wagons
07:45<frosch123>they could transport nuts uni wagons
07:45<frosch123>and then transport everything
07:46<andythenorth>good point
07:46<andythenorth>it's strange that no-one has coded this yet
07:46<NGC3982>i love the idea with train carrying ships
07:46<frosch123>yeah, ships on trains are also cool :p
07:46<NGC3982>yes indeed!
07:46<frosch123>esp. in tunnels
07:46<NGC3982>and it's actually realistic
07:46<NGC3982>just dont allow it on bridges or tunnels
07:47<NGC3982>(or at least not on cheaper bridges)
07:47<frosch123>if it's completely stupid, then it's very likely that there is such thing in rl
07:47<NGC3982>andythenorth: you should totally make that in FISH. :P
07:47<andythenorth>I am :P
07:47<NGC3982>oh!
07:47<NGC3982>let me know if you want any help
07:47<andythenorth>[refit, not trains carrying ships] :P
07:47<NGC3982>not that i can write more then tutorial NML
07:47<NGC3982>but still.
07:47<NGC3982>:P
07:48*peter1138 wonders how TrueBrain's lego set is going
07:49<TrueBrain>very slowly; got distracted :P
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07:54<NGC3982>this was odd
07:54<NGC3982>it refuses to refit from lumber to wood
07:54<NGC3982>it stops in the depot and give me the error message that refit failed
07:54<NGC3982>oh
07:54<NGC3982>no money.
07:54<NGC3982>:D
07:55<Chrill>lol
07:55*NGC3982 needs to practice ockhams razor a bit more.
07:56<V453000>oh, wonderful
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07:56*V453000 hates costs for refit
07:56<V453000>just pointless and stupid
07:56<NGC3982>..and realistic?
07:57<NGC3982>V453000: sweet jesus.
07:57<NGC3982>it works briliantly.
07:57<NGC3982>the round-up time for the first train is by luck 28 days
07:58<V453000>well the way how you could do it could be a lot better
07:58<V453000>with various conditional orders, and mainly the orders to have trains go to "nearest depot" instead of a specific depot
07:58<NGC3982>oh, i missed out on something, though
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07:59<NGC3982>forests need farm supplies, not engineering supplies. ;_;
07:59<V453000>oh, yes that is a problem :)
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07:59*NGC3982 restarts and tries to correct.
08:00<V453000>im not sure but I think there is only oil and iron ore/coal/scrap chain for that
08:00<V453000>bauxite too actually
08:00<NGC3982>ah, i see.
08:00<NGC3982>let's see.
08:02<NGC3982>yes, bauxite to aluminium plant with metal to machine shop with engineering supplies to bauxite mine.
08:02*NGC3982 engages.
08:03<frosch123>V453000: what's your industry set doing?
08:03<V453000>I dont have much time right now so it isnt really going at all atm, but not dead! :p
08:04<V453000>in fact I might release a new nuts today
08:04<V453000>I just dont have enough time to start a new thing right now so I just improve the train set
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08:53<andythenorth>hmm
08:53<andythenorth>I might be sad if I set all these buy menu offsets
08:53<andythenorth>and then the patch by Eddi|zuHause is included
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08:56<Chris_Booth>hi
08:59<frosch123>yay, it's colder outside than inside
08:59<frosch123>open all doors and windows!
09:02<andythenorth>what is 'outside' please?
09:02<frosch123>there where it's colder
09:03<frosch123>http://pics.nase-bohren.de/reality.jpg <- it's the setting of that game
09:05<frosch123>it smells petrichor
09:06<NGC3982>V453000: it does seem to work.
09:06<NGC3982>although, it demands a fair load of starting economy.
09:07<andythenorth>reality?
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09:08<NGC3982>http://i.imgur.com/NWfUN.png
09:08<andythenorth>ugh
09:08<andythenorth>I should reshade that mine
09:08<frosch123>lol
09:09<NGC3982>reshade?
09:09<andythenorth>doesn't fit FIRS style
09:09<andythenorth>it's ogfx style
09:09<NGC3982>well, true.
09:09<NGC3982>just compare it with the machine shop
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09:40<NGC3982>V453000: im having a hard time getting the bauxite production up
09:40<NGC3982>is full load a bad idea in this scenario?
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09:41<andythenorth>bah
09:41<andythenorth>8 ships left to go
09:42<andythenorth>NGC3982: full load is tricky when you have so many pickups
09:42<andythenorth>balancing across them is hard
09:42<NGC3982>well, of course i only used full load on the bauxite mine
09:42<NGC3982>andythenorth: http://i.imgur.com/EUKoA.png <- rinnpool is the bauxite (where i have now turned off full load).
09:42<andythenorth>oh, you're not using autorefit :O
09:43<NGC3982>autorefit?
09:43<NGC3982>im ..not?
09:43<andythenorth>you're refitting in depots
09:43<andythenorth>if the newgrf supports it (perhaps not), refit at station
09:43*NGC3982 thought that was autorefit.
09:44<NGC3982>oh, i found the button, but it's greyed out.
09:44<andythenorth>autorefit, strictly, is allowing the game to choose which cargo to refit to at a station
09:44<andythenorth>but we tend to say it to mean 'refitting at stations'
09:44<NGC3982>i see.
09:44<andythenorth>it's what I'm adding to FISH
09:44<andythenorth>and then to other sets
09:45<NGC3982>is there a disabling option?
09:45<NGC3982>i see.
09:45<frosch123>nuts does not support autorefit
09:46<frosch123>(intentionally)
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09:50<NGC3982>i see
09:51<NGC3982>i find the function to be to good use, but a bit unrealistic
09:56<@planetmaker>totally unrealistic to put into the same wagon first paper drums and then steel drums?
09:56<frosch123>yup it is. otoh candyfloss, toffee and suggar fits for sure
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09:59<frosch123>otoh, the news messages of madtv were apparently quite realistic
10:01<NGC3982>planetmaker: yes, it is. a "refit" means that the original wagon does not support the new cargo.
10:02<NGC3982>if autorefit was more logical then using a depot, depots have no meaning.
10:02<masch_>there are wagons that support multiple cargos?
10:03-!-masch_ is now known as masch
10:03<NGC3982>yes, exactly. they represent wagons that can carry different cargo (read: paper or steel drums).
10:03<NGC3982>but (as in real life), most wagons need to be prepared for a new cargo.
10:04<NGC3982>thus, a depot is a nice way to make that happend in the game.
10:04<NGC3982>even though it can be made in a real life "station" platform.
10:04<masch>paper? I dont know paper from the "vanilla" openttd version. Is that an addon?
10:04<masch>or "plugin" or how you want to call it
10:05<NGC3982>i took PM's example.
10:05<Chris_Booth>I never knew that java and C# where so similar until now
10:05<NGC3982>paper is by the way a secondary industry product in FIRS (and ECS, i think).
10:06<NGC3982>V453000: you have made a great job with NUTS. i really like it.
10:07<NGC3982>V453000: especially with the naming. :p
10:07<masch>Chris_Booth: C# is a (in my eyes) failed attempt to clone Java and add some more buzzwords
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10:07<Chris_Booth>masch: do you not like C#?
10:08<masch>nope
10:08<Chris_Booth>oh well not everyone like every language
10:08<masch>but, to be honest, i didnt spend a lot time learning it or working with it
10:09<Chris_Booth>planetmaker: can you unpause the server at #openttdcoop.stable?
10:09<masch>i learned it one day before i had to write a exam about c# in university .. and nerver used it again
10:09<andythenorth>frosch123: what are you hacking on at the moment? Paying down FS bugs?
10:09<andythenorth>I see a lot commits by you
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10:13<+michi_cc>NGC3982: Do you really think there's anything to prepare except a one minute sweep for a wagon like http://gbdb.info/data/media/140/Magnus_DB_Niederbordwagen_21_RIV_1200s.jpg if you exchange steel beams with e.g. gravel or dirt (http://www.bahnbilder.de/1024/vierachsiger-niederbordwagen-res-x-am-14dezember-475389.jpg)?
10:15<andythenorth>+1
10:15<andythenorth>same for ships
10:16<NGC3982>michi_cc: yes, there is. cleaning, for instance.
10:17<andythenorth>cleaning schmeaning
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10:17<NGC3982>and yes, im not saying that my argument is true. im simply stating that using depots to exchange between different cargos is a realistic thing.
10:17<+michi_cc>You definitely don't need a maintenance depot for that bit of cleaning.
10:17<NGC3982>no, you dont
10:17<andythenorth>NGC3982: feel free :)
10:17<NGC3982>but in the game, it's a neat feature.
10:17<andythenorth>but station refit = win imo
10:18<NGC3982>andythenorth: yes, as i said. it's a good thing, but i dont feel like using it (personally).
10:19<andythenorth>hmm
10:19<andythenorth>those ships might be confusingly named
10:19*andythenorth amends
10:19<NGC3982>be sure to use proper prefixes
10:19<NGC3982>like ultra-large
10:19<NGC3982>and mega-power-ninja-turtle-awesome-<shipname>.
10:20<NGC3982>muchos importante
10:22<frosch123>andythenorth: fs bugs and fs patches
10:23<frosch123>and sadly the "much" is only relative, not absolute :s
10:23<@planetmaker>masch: play arctic climate. There is paper cargo
10:23<@planetmaker>in vanilla openttd. even ttd
10:23<masch>planetmaker: oh right.. i remember. Thanks!
10:24<andythenorth>ho
10:24<andythenorth>I might reach r1k with FISH :P
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10:46<@Terkhen>:)
10:50<NGC3982>a friend of mine recently had a look at a game of mine, while i was playing
10:50<NGC3982>he have never seen openttd before
10:51<NGC3982>he wondered why the player could invest money in new buildings for towns, but didnt have a way of founding end-like industries with the same functions.
10:51<NGC3982>and i kind of understand what he means
10:51<andythenorth>?
10:52<frosch123>you can fund industries
10:52<NGC3982>yes, but not as deep as he thought it.
10:52<NGC3982>slaughterhouses, pizzerias, malls, etc.
10:52<frosch123>it's not simcity :)
10:52<NGC3982>yes, of course it is.
10:53<NGC3982>but does it sound like a fun grf?
10:53<frosch123>there are only industries which are delivered with reasonable amounts of stuff
10:53<NGC3982>for instance, im thinking of an addon grf to ..well, let's say FIRS, where i can found a glass maker, slaughterhouse, soylent distribution centers (lol) and bars.
10:53<andythenorth>this is why there is no 'pub' industry in FIRS :P
10:54<NGC3982>since glass, livestock, pax and alcohol are already there.
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10:54<NGC3982>hehe
10:54<NGC3982>well yes, it might be a bit far fetched
10:54<andythenorth>hmm
10:54<NGC3982>it was just a thought.
10:54<andythenorth>with autorefit it's more plausible
10:54<andythenorth>just run some distribution trucks from transfer yards
10:55<NGC3982>"the people in this town is recieving more alcohol then food, and are in a drunken graze unable to find their way to your transport systems *number of pax/station tile decreases*"
10:55<NGC3982>:P
10:55<andythenorth>GS :P
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11:03<andythenorth>right, we think it's bad if ships change appearance due to refitting at a station, yes?
11:06<NGC3982>that depends
11:06<NGC3982>the deck should of course be changed after what cargo is being refitted
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11:06<NGC3982>though, haul and control tower doesnt really change, i guess.
11:08*andythenorth wonders
11:08<andythenorth>which is better: lose some graphics, or add another ship :P
11:09<Rubidium>vehicle subtypes!
11:11<andythenorth>oh you jest
11:11<andythenorth>but I would
11:11<andythenorth>it's appropriate for ships
11:12<andythenorth>incidentally, BANDIT either has to have no autorefit for trucks
11:12<andythenorth>or I have to rewrite the whole damn thing
11:12<andythenorth>:P
11:12<andythenorth>and the buy menu is going to be insanely large
11:12<andythenorth>like, at least eGRVTS amounts, if not more
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11:24<NGC3982>V453000: report: it does work, but it's not self sustaining. the loss of cargo between bauxite > metal > eng. supplies is way to big.
11:24<NGC3982>250 tonnes of bauxite is something like 3 crates of engineering supplies.
11:25<NGC3982>it is enough to increase the production of the bauxite mine, but unfortunately; the distances are too big to make any train profitable
11:25<NGC3982>i guess it's more of a maglev suitable strategy.
11:28<andythenorth>hmm
11:29<andythenorth>what should I do when I have just one vehicle that is special case?
11:29<andythenorth>- add lots of special case properties to my build framework
11:29<andythenorth>- or just detect the special case once, magically and substitute some hard-coded nml
11:29<andythenorth>?
11:29<andythenorth>(log tug)
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11:38<+michi_cc>andythenorth: Extend your framwork with a "custom NML" option (E.g. like the CETS code allows to reference a custom graphics switch)?
11:38<andythenorth>yarp
11:38<andythenorth>not a bad idea
11:39<NGC3982>http://i.imgur.com/Z0b0K.png <- im unabled to get the transported-% to increase. is there something i miss here? :/
11:41<andythenorth>69% is the most you'll get typically in FIRS
11:41<+michi_cc>The station rating has to be higher, but that is very hard.
11:41<NGC3982>dont i need more to get production up?
11:41<andythenorth>look up the game mechanics page for the tiresome stupid things you have to do
11:41<andythenorth>you might need to keep buying new vehicles
11:41<andythenorth>and possibly faster vehicles
11:42<NGC3982>i think speed is my first issue.
11:42<andythenorth>and build a statue and stuff
11:42<FLHerne>Didn't you add a setting to FIRS for that?
11:42<andythenorth>for station rating yes
11:42<andythenorth>run a ship as a piglet :P
11:42<andythenorth>NGC3982: try changing the station rating algorithm in FIRS
11:42<andythenorth>it's a paramter
11:42<andythenorth>+e
11:43<NGC3982>is that possible with rcon or console?
11:43<NGC3982>but
11:43<NGC3982>wait.
11:44<NGC3982>does 69-70% keep the production from growing, or can i trust the engineering supplies for that?
11:44<andythenorth>ensp
11:44<andythenorth>FIRS ignores rating as much as it can
11:44<andythenorth>@calc 0.69 * 112
11:44<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: 77.28
11:45<andythenorth>you're getting 77 tonnes per month of bauxite delivered to your station though
11:45<andythenorth>not 112 tonnes
11:47<NGC3982>?
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11:52<NGC3982>uhm
11:52<NGC3982>what on earth
11:52<NGC3982>i changed one train and suddenly achieved 80% transported.
11:52<NGC3982>and the train havent even left the station yet.
11:53<NGC3982>i think this calls of a:
11:53<NGC3982>http://www.alyssahiba.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/funny-science-news-experiments-memes-dog-science-fuzzy-logic.jpg
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11:55<Rubidium>new vehicles yield a higher rating for a few years
11:59<NGC3982>i notice, i now have 96%
12:04<FLHerne>andythenorth: What happened to FISH 1?
12:05<FLHerne>Some of the features in the nightlies are great...
12:17<andythenorth>which ones?
12:19<FLHerne>Waterway construction costs, at least. Finally makes canals economic to build :-)
12:20<FLHerne>The better ship variety/start dates are nice too (even if they do all look very similar)
12:20<andythenorth>ah
12:20<andythenorth>good point
12:20<andythenorth>need to add waterway costs to the nml conversion :o
12:21<andythenorth>FLHerne: if you're using recent nightlies on savegames, you might find broken / strange behaviour
12:21<andythenorth>just a warning
12:22<FLHerne>I haven't encountered any yet :-)
12:23<FLHerne>I tend to use unstable overpatched OTTD anyway, so I doubt it'll afect my bug rate significantly anyway :P
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12:36<FLHerne>andythenorth: So is 1.0 going to be the NML version? Or are you restarting the numbering? Or just ceasing development for some reason?
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12:55<andythenorth>so anybody want to help test for FISH 2.0?
12:56<andythenorth>I am missing two boats that have special cases
12:56<andythenorth>but the rest is sort of done
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13:04<andythenorth>new FISH grf
13:04<andythenorth>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3157/fish-r841-testing.zip
13:05<andythenorth>^ bundles server doesn't build the nml conversion yet, you'll need this grf :)
13:10<__ln__>so when his royal highness prince Charles becomes the king, he won't be king Charles necessarily, will he?
13:11<frosch123>what's "thanks" in finnish?
13:12<frosch123>something with d?
13:12<__ln__>"kiitos"
13:12<frosch123>ah, then i guessed right... though i thought it would be "di" instead of "ki"
13:16<__ln__>i would say some loanwords are the only ones beginning or ending with 'd' in finnish.
13:17<__ln__>'d' can be found in the middle of (genuinely) finnish words though.
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13:22<NGC3982>finnish is fantastic.
13:23<NGC3982>we recently opened a new sales office in helsinki, and im having a very fun time trying to communicate with the new personel there.
13:23<NGC3982>since im trying to avoid english as much as possible, ive been taking finnish classes.
13:23<NGC3982>it's fun how extremely different a language can be over such short distances.
13:26<__ln__>excellent
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13:30<NGC3982>andythenorth: how can i calculate the maximum of produced products for the FIRS industries?
13:31<__ln__>isn't it e.g. curious that we have a finnish word for elephant, which is not a loanword and therefore not at all based on 'elefant/oliphant/whateverphant'.
13:32<NGC3982>true.
13:32<NGC3982>but, that's nothing new to us scandinavians?
13:33<NGC3982>as far as i know, swedish uses lots of words never loaned, but simply made up when first encountering the object.
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13:35<NGC3982>__ln__: what is the word, by the way?
13:36<__ln__>NGC3982: norsu
13:36<NGC3982>what about elefantti?
13:37<__ln__>that exists too.
13:38<NGC3982>and norsu is an older version then elefantti?
13:41<__ln__>possibly. norsu is the preferred word, as far as i know.
13:42<andythenorth>NGC3982: for secondary industry or primary?
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13:42<NGC3982>andythenorth: primary.
13:43<andythenorth>there's no easy way to calculate it except by reading the code
13:43<andythenorth>or use the production level cheat
13:43<NGC3982>ah. i see.
13:43<NGC3982>bauxite production halted at 198 tonnes
13:43<andythenorth>save your game, enable the cheat, max the production
13:43<NGC3982>and that sounds a bit under the line.
13:44<NGC3982>ok.
13:44*andythenorth can't test, no bauxite mines on my map :P
13:44<andythenorth>once again, FIRS fails to supply anything like complete industry chains
13:44<andythenorth>it's such a crappy grf on smaller maps
13:44*NGC3982 likes it.
13:45*andythenorth hates it
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: translators * r24440 /trunk/src/lang/french.txt:
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: french - 6 changes by OliTTD
13:45<NGC3982>andythenorth: i thought you were a part of creating it?
13:45<andythenorth>bauxite mine maxes at 1216 tonnes / 1368 tonnes, depending on the length of month
13:45<NGC3982>ah, i see. i have a bit to go then. :)
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14:03*andythenorth is puzzled what to do with this boat that refits to ferry and fishing boat graphics, depending on cargo
14:05<telanus>andythenorth: could I do a translation of FISH?
14:05<andythenorth>probably yes
14:05<telanus>:D
14:06<andythenorth>I haven't got the lang translations setup yet
14:06<andythenorth>but with nml it's kind of built in
14:09<andythenorth>telanus: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/entry/lang/english.pylng
14:14<telanus>yip found that
14:14<andythenorth>telanus: the downside is that I'm still adding a lot to english.pylng
14:14<andythenorth>so you'd have to keep up :P
14:15<telanus>will do :D
14:16<andythenorth>telanus: if you supply a translated lang file, you need to lose lines 41-44
14:17<andythenorth>also you won't be able to translate the vehicle names currently
14:19<telanus>no problem, it's an ongoing project :D
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14:55<telanus>andythenorth: Afrikaans translation of firs: http://goput.it/8ni.zip
14:55<telanus>fish not firs
14:56*andythenorth wonders what the lang ID is for Afrikaans
14:56<andythenorth>I'll look in FIRS :P
14:59<telanus>0x01
14:59<andythenorth>nah that's english
14:59<andythenorth>0x1B
14:59<andythenorth>added it, works
15:00<andythenorth>:)
15:00<telanus>nice thanx
15:07<andythenorth>just getting you the grf
15:14<andythenorth>telanus: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3160/fish-nml-test.zip
15:22<telanus>nice
15:22<telanus>:D
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15:54<NGC3982>an.. a..
15:54<NGC3982>wat
15:54<NGC3982>V453000: it works. thanks for the tip.
15:55<NGC3982>http://i.imgur.com/db2JB.png
15:55<Supercheese>btw, is the lack of a FISH 1.0 due to a rebranding?
15:56<Supercheese>oh snap he left; nevermind
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15:57<Supercheese>Ah, I can re-ask: is the lack of a FISH 1.0 due to a rebranding?
15:57<andythenorth>probably
15:58<andythenorth>I might do FISH 1.0
15:58<andythenorth>not sure yet
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16:36<andythenorth>good night
16:36<Supercheese>Vale, dormiture
16:36<andythenorth>oiu
16:36<andythenorth>je vais
16:37<andythenorth>ciao
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19:20<frosch123>night
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