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---Logopened Fri Sep 21 00:00:05 2012
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01:47<telanus1>Good Morning/afternoon/Evening
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02:53<@Terkhen>good morning
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05:15<NGC3982>Yes. Yes, indeed.
05:15<NGC3982>Speaking of soylent green. What happend to andythenorth?
05:16<@Alberth>he left for the pub yesterday evening didn't he?
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05:34<TrueBrain>hehe, that is just nasty
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05:47<CIA-1>OpenTTD: alberth * r24535 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): -Doc: Two additions, lots of small spelling fixes, and some Doxygen improvements.
05:47<@Alberth>the first CIA :)
05:48*NGC3982 combines his day with fear and loathing + openttd.
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06:51<@Alberth>I hate it that compilers decide to rebuild everything for just a few doc changes :(
06:56<@peter1138>it doesn't "decide"
06:56<@peter1138>it gets told :p
07:06<__ln__>þat's right
07:06<planetmaker>hehe, I like that letter, __ln__ :-)
07:08<__ln__>it was even used in middle and old english
07:08<planetmaker>it's used in icelandic
07:09<__ln__>yeah, þey were obviously a bit smarter than þe englishmen
07:11<__ln__>oops, *þan
07:14<Eddi|zuHause>the germans abolished that way earlier
07:14<Eddi|zuHause>not only the written letter, but also the sound
07:16<Eddi|zuHause>oh, and an intermediate form in written english between "þ" and "th" was actually "y" (see the word "ye" on old-ish sounding pubs and stuff)
07:18<__ln__>"ye" makes a little more sense with þat explanation
07:23<Eddi|zuHause>RRT is fun and annoying at the same time...
07:25<Eddi|zuHause>i'd like the option "stable economy" and "no bridge washouts", please.
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09:35<TrueBrain>old; already seen it today :P
09:35<TrueBrain>[11:34] <peter1138> <- see :D
09:35<TrueBrain>funny enough, it was exactly 4 hours ago :D
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09:36<__ln__>oh, how did i miss that... seems like working is interfering with reading irc.
09:36<TrueBrain>you are not reading IRC all the time? Wuth?!
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09:48<almien>what grf lets you zoom in and see full detail not blur?
09:50<Yexo>any grf that provides zoomed-in graphics, see for an up-to-date list
09:50<Yexo>your best option currently is to use the zBase baseset
10:01<almien>thanks, that works. just installed zbase
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10:03<Eddi|zuHause>apple solved the diplomatic conflict between china and japan:
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11:59<TrueBrain>iOS6 update .... how horrible
12:00<TrueBrain>I think it is hanging
12:21<@Alberth>you have to update apples? I thought you'd just buy a new one :p
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12:41<TrueBrain>nah; I am awesome
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13:42<Wolf01>hello o/
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r24536 /trunk/src/lang/ (ukrainian.txt unfinished/tamil.txt):
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: tamil - 7 changes by aswn
13:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: ukrainian - 80 changes by edd_k
13:50<fjb>Moin Wolf01.
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14:01<NGC3982>This has truly been a fruitful day.
14:01<@Terkhen>I ate some fruit today too
14:03<@Terkhen>I'm sorry, I always find that expression funny :P
14:03<NGC3982>Harr. ;)
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15:02<planetmaker>salut andythenorth
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15:08<@Terkhen>hi andythenorth
15:15<FLHerne>andythenorth: Hoyo
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15:33-!-mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek
15:34-!-TrueBrain changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.2.2 | Website: * (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices
15:34-!-mode/#openttd [-o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek
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15:58<CIA-1>OpenTTD: zuu * r24537 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 3 dirs): -Feature: Scripts can be suspended even if the game is still progressing, thus break-on-log now works also for Game Scripts.
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16:27<CIA-1>OpenTTD: yexo * r24538 /trunk/src/script/script_instance.cpp: -Fix-ish: remove compiler warning about initialization order
16:28<CIA-1>OpenTTD: yexo * r24539 /trunk/src/ship_cmd.cpp: -Codechange [FS#5260]: make code simpler by using IsValidTile instead of manually checking the bounds (juanjo)
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16:31<CIA-1>OpenTTD: alberth * r24540 /trunk/src/ (ground_vehicle.hpp saveload/afterload.cpp tile_type.h): -Codechange: Remove the not-so-useful HALF_TILE_SIZE constant.
16:31<CIA-1>OpenTTD: yexo * r24541 /trunk/src/group.h: -Cleanup [FS#5260]: remove unused function GetGroupArraySize (juanjo)
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16:49<CIA-1>OpenTTD: zuu * r24542 /trunk/src/script/api/ (4 files in 3 dirs): -Feature: Allow AI/GS script developers to break the execution of their scripts using ScriptController::Break
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17:00<CIA-1>OpenTTD: zuu * r24543 /trunk/src/script/api/script_controller.cpp: -Fix-ish (r24542): Removed unnecessary preprocessor directive
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17:19<@Terkhen>good night
17:19<Yexo>night Terkhen
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17:32<Supercheese>salvete omnes
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17:41<Supercheese>fuitne quod dixi? :P
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17:44<Zuu>So now I can go back to hunting CluelessPlus bugs :-)
17:45<Supercheese>New patch review channel eh?
17:45<Supercheese>is that channel also for discussion of bug reports and their solutions?
17:46<Zuu>If the solution involves changes to OpenTTD code, I would suspect so yes.
17:46<Supercheese>righto, there's some discussion of FS#5297 that needs to happen methinks
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17:47<Supercheese>salve, amice
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17:47<Supercheese>or not :P
17:48<Zuu>Its not forbidden to discuss patches and bugs in this channel. The purpose of the new channel is however to allow the community to follow the patch review discussions more openly.
17:49<Supercheese>Makes sense; I'm going to make my first post on the bug tracker, though, to think things through first
18:00<Supercheese>Ah crud, it seems Terkhen discovered a bug in my grf
18:00<Supercheese>rounding error methinks
18:02<Eddi|zuHause>hmidunno, RRT2 doesn't look nearly as fun as RRT
18:02<Supercheese>yep, rounding errors. blarg
18:04<Supercheese>Apparently (-3*15)/2 does not equal -(3*15)/2?
18:04<Supercheese>integer floor different for negative and positive numbers?
18:04<planetmaker>what's "different" in your idea?
18:04<Eddi|zuHause>quite possible
18:05<Supercheese>still testing, hang on
18:05<planetmaker>floor means to round down, iirc
18:05<Eddi|zuHause>there's "round towards -inf" and "round towards 0"
18:05<Supercheese>need to be sure my logic isn't flawed
18:05<planetmaker>i.e. floor(2.23) = 2; floor(-2.23) = -3
18:05<Supercheese>yeah, I think that's the problem
18:05<Eddi|zuHause>"simple" computer logics usually do the former, while intuition is more consistent with the latter
18:06<Supercheese>I wanted the absolute values of (15/2) and -(15/2) to be equal
18:06<Supercheese>that doesn't happen by default eh?
18:07<Supercheese>easy fix is to make sure everything is divisible by 2
18:07<Eddi|zuHause>that, or make sure everything is positive
18:07<Supercheese>that too
18:08<Supercheese>yeah, migrate the negative sign out of the parentheses
18:08<Supercheese>that would probably do it
18:08*Supercheese should have done that at the beginning
18:09<Supercheese>live and learn
18:11<Supercheese>Yep, that appears to have fixed things
18:15<Supercheese>So, -- Terkhen has suggested 4 possible implementations for a fix. Both our opinions are posted there; other thoughts?
18:17<Supercheese>Oh right, should upload the .grf bugfix
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18:29<Supercheese>Ah crap
18:29<Supercheese>Go to edit second post in thread with sources --> "You can no longer edit or delete that post."
18:30<Zuu>Yes there was a change to that announced in the news section some time ago.
18:30<Zuu>Personally I welcome that change.
18:31<Supercheese>Rather kills posting in one's own thread to say "reserved for future use" though
18:31<Eddi|zuHause>certain people deleting everything they said in the past 5 years?
18:31<Supercheese>As once cannot use it in the future
18:31<Zuu>The first post of threads can still be edited, but this makes posts more permanent and enforce a chronological discussion.
18:32<Supercheese>3 attachments per post + unable to edit second/third posts in threads = more awkward for threadowners
18:32<Supercheese>but not the biggest issue in the world, admittedly
18:32<Eddi|zuHause>Supercheese: "reserved for future use" is silly anyway. just make a new post with the attachment, and link to it in the first post, if you need more than 3 attachments
18:32<Supercheese>yep, that is what I am doing right now
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18:33<Supercheese>I'd argue "reserved for future use" is not silly, but that ship has already set sail
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18:34<Eddi|zuHause>i'd argue that the 3-attachments-limit is silly, frequently causing workarounds like this
18:34<Zuu>What you could have instead is a higher attachment limit for the first post. But that would probably need patching phpBB.
18:35<Supercheese>valid points
18:40<planetmaker>Supercheese, I expect the latest version anyway at the end ;-)
18:41<planetmaker>and you could *link* that in the first posting. That'll then even enable people to get the old, should they need it for a savegame
18:41<Supercheese>I figure BaNaNaS takes care of the "needing for a savegame" issue, no?
18:41<planetmaker>yes, it does
18:42<planetmaker>by uploading there you allow to provide the needed version ;-)
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19:02<planetmaker>Supercheese, wrt sources and GPL: it's good to keep available sources for all versions you ever released
19:03<planetmaker>thus posting them in the postings like you do is good :-) Removing the old ones could in principle lead to the question of "where do I get the source for this ancient version" - which you can answer easily, if you keep them as-is now
19:03<planetmaker>but bed time. Good night
19:06<Supercheese>vale, dormiture
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