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---Logopened Wed Nov 07 00:00:12 2012
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01:38<Flygon>Oh wow
01:38<Flygon>You can rename individual veichles
01:38<Flygon>Did NOT know that!
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03:14<@Terkhen>good morning
03:14<Supercheese>Salve, amice
03:16<@Terkhen>plhalaser: the tutorial at the wiki (http://wiki.openttd.org/MinGW) is meant for the "original" 32 bits version of MinGW only; my last news about the mingw64 port is that some of the libraries required by OpenTTD do not compile if you use that platform
03:16<@Terkhen>so, if you are looking for something simple, you may have better luck if you just follow the tutorial for MinGW
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03:18<@Terkhen>I barely remember how to set up MSVC but the wiki page was quite clear if I remember correctly
03:21<@Terkhen>plhalaser: if libraries failed to compile and install for you in mingw32, you probably did not select "Use pre-packaged repository catalogues" at the installation of MinGW, or you missed the "edit etc\fstab" step
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03:33<Flygon>..
03:33<Flygon>The pathfinder is a troll
03:33<Flygon>I accidentally use lower speed track
03:33<Flygon>And suddenly the entire network is misrouted
03:34*Terkhen does not know how the pathfinder deals with multiple types of track
03:34<@Terkhen>does it try to avoid the lower speed tracks?
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03:40<Flygon>Yes
03:40<Flygon>Excessively
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03:40<Flygon>So much so that it ignored a single tile of 160km/h track along a whole stretch of 280km/h
03:41<Flygon>Ended up making the trains take approximately 6000% longer <_>
03:41<@Terkhen>there is probably some cfg option to modify that penalty
03:42<@Terkhen>now that we are splitting the advanced settings into categories (see https://secure.openttd.org/bugs/task/5355), I wonder if we should give the pathfinder cfg options a GUI
03:42<@Terkhen>it would be... a long list
03:43<Flygon>Could make it an optional list
03:43<Flygon>If all else fails, give a choice, afterall
03:44<@Terkhen>http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/settings_expert.png <-- this is an example of what the patch does
03:45<@Terkhen>therefore, only someone choosing "expert" would see the pathfinder penalty configuration options, and they would probably have their own subtree
03:45<Flygon>Ahh, I see :)
03:45<Flygon>That'd be useful
03:45<Flygon>The amount of times I've wanted to kick the pathfinder in the pants :p
03:45<Flygon>It's like it's being managed by Metrol! :D
03:46<Flygon>Metrol: Accidentally routing Diesel freight trains through the Melbourne underground since 1981
03:46<@Terkhen>I think that I will update the list of wanted patches with this task when FS#5355 is committed
03:46<Flygon>(well, locomotives... only once can I recall a freight train going in >_>")
03:47*Flygon nod
03:47<@Terkhen>huh, that sounds quite wrong :P
03:47<Flygon>It got worse during privatization
03:47<Flygon>And they split the suburban trains into two companies...
03:48<Flygon>The two companies ended up with situations where one didn't have enough signallers, so the other had to borrow one from the other
03:48<Flygon>And only one of them dealt with Diesel trails that go around the loop...
03:49<Flygon>Cue confused signallers that's been told to route ALL electric trains through the underground loop not recognizing Diesel trains
03:50<Flygon>Luckily, we have a unified suburban network again
03:50<@Terkhen>:)
03:53<Flygon>That doesn't stop Metrol from making some baffling decisions, though...
03:54<Flygon>eg. routing V/Line trains into suburban only platforms of stations, making the only way back out to either go through the loop or hold up every single platform of the station (the station in question, having at least 16 platforms (over 24 if you count sub-platforms)...
03:57<Flygon>The loop actually ends up preferable, if they're in the mood to activate expensive ventalation systems (but it's only ever suppose to happen if it's scheduled, usually by railfan groups)
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04:05<@Terkhen>it does not seem efficient, yes
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08:42<Pensacola>openttd rocks
08:43<Markk>The Sims birch tree
08:45<Pensacola>trees ;)
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08:56<@planetmaker>the birch tree was a bit of a pain to draw...
08:56<@planetmaker>(not the sims one, the openttd-opengfx one)
08:58<Markk>I just took something ranom out of the nature to but after a game name.
08:58<Markk>I thought it was the put-a-random-thing-from-nature-after-a-game-name-time.
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09:09<Eddi|zuHause>how is it hard to draw a birch tree? white stem with black dots?
09:16<Flygon>My OpenTTD game must be getting a tad out of hand
09:16<Flygon>The client is sometimes nearly crashing
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09:31<__ln__>is "nearly crashing" something analogous to "almost pregnant"?
09:31<Pensacola>:D
09:41<Flygon>__ln__: Basically, Windows 7 asks "This program appears to have crapped out on you, do you want to kill it?" and then suddenly the client works again
09:42<Flygon>Usually when I'm making a savegame...
09:44<@Terkhen>Windows 7 thinks that the program is not responding
09:44<@Terkhen>that does not mean that the program is not responding :P
09:44<@Terkhen>that happens to me sometimes when I'm joining a TF2 server for example
09:44<__ln__>it does mean the program is not responding at the moment
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09:48<drac_boy>hi
09:49<Eddi|zuHause>that has nothing to do with "crashing" though... it just means that windows is a bit impatient...
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11:04<DanMacK>Hey all
11:04<drac_boy>hi danmack
11:07<DanMacK>Any of the Devzone peeps around?
11:07<@Yexo>you're better of asking what you want than asking for a specific person
11:08<MNIM>devzone peeps?
11:10<drac_boy>heh
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11:40<SpComb>any peeps in da zone?
11:41<@planetmaker>mäuschen, sag 'mal "piep"
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13:05<__ln__>oops http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvyIrsZ7Zhs
13:08<@peter1138>whoops indeed
13:09<@peter1138>snapped :S
13:09<@peter1138>it wobbles a lot in the slow-mo
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13:44<NGC3982>Evening.
13:44<NGC3982>Deamons and Romney voters.
13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r24667 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2012-11-07 18:45:19 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>latvian - 5 changes by Parastais
13:45<@DorpsGek>luxembourgish - 18 changes by Phreeze
13:45<@DorpsGek>spanish - 1 changes by Terkhen
13:46<frosch123>NGC3982: this is a europe dominated channel, who cares?
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13:46<NGC3982>It was not to be taken seriosly.
13:47<NGC3982>Actually, do we have any american regular here at all? :)
13:47<frosch123>not at this time of the day :)
13:47<frosch123>but there are usually during 2am - 4am european time
13:48<frosch123>anyway, i am actually jeally about you americans :)
13:48*NGC3982 isn't.
13:48<frosch123>campaigns are over for you, while they start here :p
13:49<NGC3982>Ah.
13:49<NGC3982>True.
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13:53<andythenorth>lo
13:54<DanM>hi
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14:01<Eddi|zuHause>"Today's big news: Roseanne lost the vote for president"
14:02<Eddi|zuHause>"45,623 votes (around 0.1%)"
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14:09<Wolf01>hello o/
14:09<andythenorth>o/
14:10<Eddi|zuHause>\o
14:10<andythenorth>-o
14:10<Eddi|zuHause>|o|
14:10<Eddi|zuHause>~~~
14:10<Eddi|zuHause>~~~
14:11<andythenorth><o
14:11<andythenorth>^^ head scratch
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14:15<Eddi|zuHause>http://pics.nase-bohren.de/drowning-lol.jpg
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14:24<andythenorth>do you also lol if they're waving?
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15:05<andythenorth>hmm
15:05<andythenorth>when did I start reading YT comments?
15:05<andythenorth>can't be a good sign
15:05*andythenorth must be ill
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15:32<andythenorth>now what :P
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16:08<drac_boy>hi
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16:23<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r24668 /trunk/src (3 files) (2012-11-07 21:23:26 UTC)
16:23<@DorpsGek>-Feature(ette) [FS#5311]: Draw cargo labels in the station list black or white depending on the background colour. (sbr)
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16:27<LordAro>evenings
16:32<drac_boy>hi lordaro
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16:45<FLHerne>Typical, I log on to ask andythenorth something and miss him by seconds :P
16:47<drac_boy>heh heh
16:48<drac_boy>was about 29 minutes btw :P
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16:52<Zuu>or some 1700 seconds :-p
16:52<@Terkhen>FLHerne: convince him to set up an IRC bouncer
16:53<@Terkhen>:P
16:53<@planetmaker>Terkhen, he has an account on our bouncer. But discontinued to use it. Can't be bothered to have backlogs
16:53<Rubidium>Zuu: well, Hannibal crossed the Alps years ago ;)
16:53<FLHerne>Zuu: Any time period can be measured in seconds :D
16:53<@Terkhen>planetmaker: I know :)
16:53<@Terkhen>I just wanted to see what happens if someone tries that again :P
16:55*Rubidium ponders what plural rules are with fractions
16:55<Rubidium>is it 4/2 second or 4/2 seconds?
16:56<Rubidium>oh darn it... Hannibal is 3rd century BC ;(
16:59<blathijs>Rubidium: I suspect that's undefined behaviour ;-)
17:01<frosch123>Rubidium: sounds like it just happened
17:01<frosch123>(using astronomical units)
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17:02<@planetmaker>one astronomical unit = 149.597.870.700 metres. Not a time unit :-P
17:03<frosch123>how many lightyears is that?
17:04<Rubidium>8-ish light minutes?
17:04<@planetmaker>around that, yes
17:05<Rubidium>1.581*10^-5 ly ;)
17:05<@planetmaker>:-)
17:05<Rubidium>ouch...
17:05<Rubidium>just found out that fibre optics are slow
17:06<@planetmaker>yup
17:06<@planetmaker>it's not the speed of light in vacuum
17:06<Chris_Booth>isn't it strange that a light year is a measure of distance and not time
17:06<Rubidium>*if* you were to have a fibre optic cable of 1 AU, it would take 4 minutes longer for the sun's light to reach the other end
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17:09<+glx>because reflexions
17:09<Rubidium>so a ping Europe to Australia doesn't take only 140 ms, it takes a whopping 200 ms
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17:10<@planetmaker>glx, not because of reflections. speed of light in matter just is slower.
17:10<Rubidium>definitely the speed of the internet could be improved by 30% if we would just use vacuums instead of fibre optics
17:10<frosch123>or if the internet would use tunnels through the center of earth
17:11<Rubidium>there... 60% improvement ;)
17:11<+glx>not sure the distance would be shorter
17:13<Rubidium>it'd be only 1/pi of the distance, wouldn't it?
17:13<frosch123>2/pi
17:13<frosch123>you want the whole diameter, not only the radius
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17:13<Rubidium>hmm, true...
17:14<Rubidium>definitely too late for trigonometry
17:14<blathijs>So, this whole "internet with the speed of light" thing is really just untrue marketing crap?
17:14<Rubidium>yeah...
17:15<Rubidium>unless the speed of light can be achieved in copper
17:15<frosch123>blathijs: depends
17:15<@planetmaker>no, not really. It's the speed of light
17:15<@planetmaker>it's just not the vacuum speed of light
17:15<blathijs>Yeah, they didn't see "speed of light in vacuum"
17:15<blathijs>s/see/say/
17:15<+glx>it's still faster than what I can get with my copper line
17:15<@planetmaker>with the proper material you can slow it down to like 60km/h even
17:15<frosch123>is it a lie by the marketing to sell it to customers
17:15<frosch123>or is a lie by the engineers to convince their marketing
17:16<blathijs>frosch123: I suspect most marketing guys nor engineers actually realize that they're lying
17:16<Rubidium>make me wonder...
17:16<Rubidium>is the speed of neutrino's higher than the speed of light?
17:17<+glx>hard to measure (as it's hard to find one :) )
17:17<+michi_cc>Probably, at least for the non-vacuum case. Neutrinos just interact so much less with matter :)
17:21<Rubidium>apparantly rock salts have a speed of light of c/1.5
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17:22<Rubidium>the deviation of the OPERA experiment was in the range of 10^-6 away from c
17:23<Rubidium>so... the neutrinos must have gone faster than the speed of light for rocks
17:23<Rubidium>... thus... faster than light travel has been proven
17:23<@planetmaker>Rubidium, it was proven to be an error ;-)
17:23<@planetmaker>meanwhile
17:24<Rubidium>planetmaker: I'm using the un-error-ed data
17:24<@Terkhen>good night
17:26<Rubidium>but then... MINOS (2007): neutrino speed larger than 0.999976c and lower than 1.000126c
17:28<Rubidium>anyhow, point is speed of neutrino in rock is roughly c. Speed of light in rock is roughly c/1.5
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17:29<Rubidium>since c > c/1.5 I can claim neutrino's go faster than the speed of light (in rock)
17:30<Rubidium>... but since ISPs don't need to mention that speed of light is not by definition c, I wouldn't need to either ;)
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18:18<frosch123>night
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18:24<drac_boy>:P
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