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02:26<Terkhen>good morning
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02:55<NGC3982>Morning
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03:11<Supercheese>Good night
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04:51<JVassie>Anyone happen to have a link for the german TT forums please?
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04:58<@peter1138>tt-ms.de
05:01<@planetmaker>good day
05:04<NGC3982>Morning, PM, and Peter.
05:06<Ammler>guete Morge :-)
05:06<Ammler>he, what's with the German forum again?
05:07<NGC3982>Works around here.
05:07<@peter1138>Well, there's a big problem with them. They're all in German.
05:07<NGC3982>If it's http://www.tt-ms.de/home/ you are refering too.
05:07<@planetmaker>@ports
05:07<@DorpsGek>planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound)
05:07<NGC3982>peter1138: ;)
05:11<Ammler>afaik, the admin of tt-ms is swiss
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06:59<frosch123>hmm, someone remembers the old days when cargo was delivered to stations before a vehicle arrived at them?
06:59<frosch123>is it true, that the station rating did not change?
06:59<frosch123>but stayed at the inital value until a vehicle arrived
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07:02<NGC3982>I recall something like that, yes.
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07:06<frosch123>nope, not true
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07:17<Eddi|zuHause>once upon a time transfer stations did not get a rating
07:18<NGC3982>frosch123: ?
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09:18<dihedral>oi
09:25<NGC3982>I'm used to using irc with Irssi, on a shell.
09:25<NGC3982>Controlling it with putty, using tab to auto-complete stuff is great when gotten used to.
09:26<NGC3982>And i was thinking while configuring my server with rcon, would auto-complete be possible?
09:26<NGC3982>It feels like a good idea, initially.
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09:28<frosch123>i think in some places there is implicit autocompletion
09:28<Eddi|zuHause>afair there's already autocomplete for town names and player names
09:28<frosch123>don't confuse chat and console :p
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09:29<Eddi|zuHause>yes, i mean there is already some infrastructure there, which may be extended upon
09:29<NGC3982>Ah, i see.
09:30<frosch123>anyway, iirc some stuff autocompletes if it unique
09:30<NGC3982>When logging on as a player, do i download the cfg from the server?
09:30<frosch123>set and list_settings and stuff
09:30<frosch123>though i am not sure :p
09:31<frosch123>NGC3982: some settings are tied to the savegame (i.e. the server), some to the client, some to the company (depending on whether you join or start new)
09:31<frosch123>if you are using a recent version the adv. settings dialog displays for each setting what type it is
09:32<frosch123>(recent might mean "not stable release")
09:32<NGC3982>Ok.
09:46<Ammler>you should also check the just introduced admin interface :-P
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09:48<Ammler>of course you don't download the cfg, it might have sensitive data on it
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09:58<NGC3982>How do i take part of the settings, then?
10:01<NGC3982>Speaking of
10:01<NGC3982>No, not speaking at all.
10:01<NGC3982>Bbl.
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10:57<drac_boy>hi
10:57<andythenorth>ho
10:57<drac_boy>anyone around for some random train discussions? :p
10:58<drac_boy>oh hi andythenorth-the-crazy-coder
10:58<drac_boy>heh heh
10:59<V453000>I can give you some random train discussion but I am afraid you will not like it :(
11:00<Eddi|zuHause>[23:24:08] <Eddi|zuHause> (answer to andy:) towns store all "town effect" cargos, other storage is probably not sensible
11:01<Eddi|zuHause>gtg, though
11:01<NGC3982>http://i.imgur.com/92jDG.png
11:02<NGC3982>This is a good day.
11:03<andythenorth>NGC3982: you need to go more meta
11:03<andythenorth>make a rollercoaster industry *inside* OpenTTD
11:03<andythenorth>which contains a full running RCT game
11:03<Eddi|zuHause>someone tried that already
11:03<drac_boy>V453000 well...give it a go :P
11:04<V453000>my current train issue is whether I want to autoreplace 3000 asiastars to a different engine, and I am thinking of options how
11:05<andythenorth>so...looks like FIRS economies are going to produce a nice list of ponies and wishful thinking
11:05<drac_boy>V453000 did asiastars even exist anywhere? :)
11:05<V453000>does that matter?
11:05<andythenorth>on a cosmic timescale, no
11:06<andythenorth>on a nerd timescale, maybe
11:06<V453000>I wasnt responding to you andy ... I havent seen economies yet :) enough to talk about it, at least
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11:06<andythenorth>I meant the asiastars :P
11:08*drac_boy would had rather ordered/refurbished some BR.103's by then instead ;)
11:12<NGC3982>andythenorth: My god.
11:12<NGC3982>< Eddi|zuHause> someone tried that already
11:12*NGC3982 gets the chills.
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12:48<andythenorth>la la la
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13:01<V453000>frosch123: I cant even talk there :D
13:02<frosch123>:)
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13:09<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r24703 /trunk/src (station_cmd.cpp station_gui.cpp) (2012-11-12 18:09:33 UTC)
13:09<@DorpsGek>-Fix: Disallow closing oilrig airports in SE.
13:10<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r24704 trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp (2012-11-12 18:10:02 UTC)
13:10<@DorpsGek>-Cleanup: No need to initialise stuff twice.
13:10<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r24705 trunk/src/economy.cpp (2012-11-12 18:10:21 UTC)
13:10<@DorpsGek>-Fix: Station rating might consider very old vehicles very young.
13:10<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r24706 trunk/src/newgrf_station.cpp (2012-11-12 18:10:42 UTC)
13:10<@DorpsGek>-Fix (r10981): [NewGRF] Station var 48 should report acceptance, not supply.
13:11<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r24707 trunk/src/station_base.h (2012-11-12 18:11:05 UTC)
13:11<@DorpsGek>-Doc: Improve description of GoodsEntryStatus flags.
13:11<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r24708 /trunk/src (station_base.h station_cmd.cpp) (2012-11-12 18:11:26 UTC)
13:11<@DorpsGek>-Codechange: Check magic values of GoodsEntry::last_speed only via wrapper function.
13:11<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r24709 trunk/src/vehicle.cpp (2012-11-12 18:11:46 UTC)
13:11<@DorpsGek>-Codechange: Simplify some code.
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13:18<Rait>Hello
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13:18<Rait>where can i download symbols for releases?
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13:24<frosch123>we don't have bundles for debug symbols
13:25<Rait>well, that sucks. i would've taken a look at win 8 fullscreen problem, but no chance then
13:26<frosch123>ah, for msvc there are the files somewhere
13:26<frosch123>glx might know
13:26<+glx>they are on binaries
13:27<frosch123>http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/games/openttd/binaries/releases/1.2.3/index.html <- ah, indeed, there are pdb files
13:27<+glx>also available for nightlies
13:28<Rait>cool, thanks
13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r24710 trunk/src/lang/indonesian.txt (2012-11-12 18:45:07 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>indonesian - 42 changes by adjayanto
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14:23<maan>hello again - is this a channel for support?
14:23<frosch123>this is the general channel for everythin
14:23<andythenorth>we should get ZenDesk for support o_O
14:24<andythenorth>maybe we can pay someone to do it :P
14:24<frosch123>andythenorth: we should do that for osx support :p
14:24<andythenorth>there's OS X support? :o
14:25<frosch123>yup, provided by andy
14:25<frosch123>do you know him?
14:25<maan>hi guys - only found out about OpenTTD yesterday and wow am impressed
14:25<maan>i been playing it all day lol
14:26<FLHerne>It does that to you :-/
14:26<frosch123>still impressed? or already depressed? :p
14:26<maan>lol
14:26<FLHerne>Ruined my productivity for the last two years now :-(
14:26<maan>i must admit i been going round in circles but hey thats the fun of it
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14:28<maan>i got a prob that i can't seem to solve involving broken trucks, can't figure out how to replace one
14:28<maan>such a basic question for you guys lol
14:29<Yexo>send it to a depot, click clone, click original vehicle, sell original vehicle, start new vehicle
14:29<@Alberth>when you play with breakdowns, make sure there are enough depots around for servicing
14:29<maan>see told ya it was an easy one for you guru's lol
14:29<Kylie>hi maan
14:30<maan>hi kylie
14:30<Kylie>maan: also there ius auto replaace if, uh
14:30<@Alberth>when you get tired of doing what Yexo suggest, read about autorenew and autoreplace
14:30<maan>i did look at thta but wasn't sure it was working lol
14:30<Kylie>maan: if you need to upgrade or downgrade capacity or use different vehicles
14:31<Kylie>maan: there is a caevat here tho
14:31<maan>now yr getting too technical kylie lol
14:32<Kylie>maan: a vehicle with a given name cannot be autoreplaced witth thee same vehicle
14:32<FLHerne>maan: Autorenew replaces vehicles with new vehicles of the same type as they reach their maximum recommended age, Autoreplace replaces vehicles immediately with vehicles of a different type :-)
14:32<Kylie>maan: ^^^^^
14:32<maan>nice tips there thanks huys
14:32<maan>guys*
14:33<FLHerne>Also, look at the screenshots forum. It has interesting examples of ways you can build stuff
14:33<FLHerne>Usually with trains, because trains are fun :P
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14:34<maan>yeah got scrnshots coming outta my eyes now lol
14:34<Zuu>Or start some AIs and have an example game played just for you :-)
14:34<FLHerne>Zuu: That relies on the AI not behaving like an idiot, like it normally does :P
14:35*FLHerne hasn't found an AI that's fun to play against yet :-(
14:35<maan>only been using trucks for short distance around the cities and trains for longer ones
14:35<Zuu>I have had fun playing against my own AI for more than once.
14:35<Kylie>maan: generally a good policy
14:36<maan>omg you guys are coders too
14:36<Kylie>quck question for yall
14:36<Kylie>quick*
14:36<Zuu>Also, while I'm biased, I don't think all AIs behave like idiots.
14:36<maan>lol
14:36<FLHerne>Zuu: AIAI is better than the rest, but not by enough :P
14:37<Kylie>i've noticed trucks/buses have a high running cost and that presents itself in high losses
14:37<FLHerne>There's a difference between 'profitable' and 'not an idiot' ;-)
14:37<Kylie>what ca n be done to mitigate these high losses?
14:38<maan>funny but i been earning quite nicely from buses/trucks
14:38<frosch123>if it is only busses/trucks, you might want to use a basecost grf
14:38<FLHerne>Kylie: What sort of situation are you using them in?
14:38<Yexo>Kylie: make sure they have higher profits?
14:38<Kylie>FLHerne: im just talking generally
14:38<Yexo>it really depends on the newgrf you use for them what the runnings costs are
14:38<Kylie>but i know that passenger delivery creates losses
14:39<FLHerne>Kylie: Buses seem not to cause trouble for anyone else, so you must be doing something wrong :D
14:39<Yexo>s/wrong/different/
14:39<Kylie>wekll, what's the /ideal/ profitable situaation for passenger delivery with buses ?
14:39<FLHerne>Yexo: If 'Different' leads to 'negative profit', it's wrong :P
14:39<NGC3982>For pete sake
14:40<Kylie>emphasis on iddeal
14:40<maan>i got 10 buses/trucks and earning around 27k
14:40<Yexo>Kylie: that question is way too general, even though it might not look like it, there are a lot of settings that influence that, not in the least which NewGRFs you are using
14:40<NGC3982>What use do a 891 letter long URL have in the content download if i can't click it.
14:40<frosch123>there is a "website" button at the bottom
14:41<Kylie>well i dont have a game up here so :p
14:41<Yexo>ideal situation is a newgrf which settings running cost to 0, increase payment for passengers a lot, increases passenger productino and also max cargo load of road vehicles
14:41<FLHerne>Kylie: Ideal for any mode of transport is running fully loaded from one corner of the map to the other, fully loaded, then unloading, reloading, and going back the other way ;-)
14:41<Kylie>FLHerne: that far?
14:41<FLHerne>Plus what Yexo said, of course
14:42<Kylie>Yexo: names of newgrf pls?
14:43<FLHerne>Kylie: In general, further is better. Payment is based on cargo/speed, so the further you go, the higher the average speed (less accelerating) and the further the distance :-)
14:43<Yexo>Kylie: that was a hypothetical example
14:43<Yexo>a basecost newgrf can be used to change running cost, different town sets have different passenger production rates
14:43<@Alberth>you don't need increased pax production, they come with enough people already :p
14:43<Kylie>FLHerne: ah makes sense
14:43<Kylie>pax = ?
14:43<@Alberth>passengers
14:43<FLHerne>Of course, that isn't a very good place to use buses, because trains or planes are far more profitable over such distances :P
14:44<Kylie>FLHerne: true
14:47<NGC3982>FLHerne: Oh!
14:47<NGC3982>FLHerne: My irritation was absurdly missplaced.
14:48<Kylie>FLHerne: i've had to replace buses with streetcars in densely populated areas
14:48<maan>its fun learning by yr mistakes tho lol
14:49<maan>sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees so it's nice to get fresh eyes on a problem and for that I thank you for yr suggestions guys
14:49<maan>it worked too lol
14:49<frosch123>maan: just press ctrl+x and set trees to invisible :p
14:50<maan>i was speaking figuratively there lol
14:50<Kylie>ive done caalculations and the amount of buses to satisfy the capacity in densely populated areas gets too high so yeah
14:51<frosch123>usually trams have higher capacity
14:51<Kylie>yes thats why i've replaced wiith trams :p
14:51<frosch123>streetcars are trams?
14:51<maan>i not got that far yet so more fun to come
14:52<frosch123>weird AE :p
14:52<Kylie>streetcar = tram frosch123
14:52<frosch123>i thought the streetcar newgrf provides personal cars like taxis etc.
14:53<Yexo>frosch123: us english vs british english :)
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15:00<frosch123>hmm, what application to use for rss feeds?
15:01<frosch123>i cannot find an option in evolution
15:01<frosch123>and firefox does not notify me about new messages
15:02<@Alberth>https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bamboo-feed-reader/?src=api ??
15:02<andythenorth>use your mail client?
15:02<Ammler>frosch123: hehe, poor gnome user has to search for tools like windows :-)
15:03<frosch123>Ammler: you mean i shall use the gnome default one?
15:03<frosch123>"liferea" - never heard about it :p
15:12<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r24711 trunk/src/vehicle.cpp (2012-11-12 20:12:26 UTC)
15:12<@DorpsGek>-Fix (r10354): Check whether to not display a ^ loading indicator at drop stations only worked if there was no other vehicle unloading for 255 ticks.
15:12<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r24712 trunk/src/newgrf_station.cpp (2012-11-12 20:12:45 UTC)
15:12<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#5303]: [NewGRF] Station variables 61 and 62 returned incorrect values, if no vehicle ever tried loading.
15:13<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r24713 /trunk/src (roadveh_cmd.cpp train_cmd.cpp) (2012-11-12 20:13:02 UTC)
15:13<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#5262]: [NewGRF] Tolerate old NewGRFs returning invalid values via CB 11.
15:13<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r24714 /trunk/src (newgrf_station.cpp station_cmd.cpp) (2012-11-12 20:13:17 UTC)
15:13<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#5337]: [NewGRF] Draw default foundations if resolving of custom station foundation sprites fails.
15:13<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r24715 trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp (2012-11-12 20:13:34 UTC)
15:13<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#5335]: [NewGRF] Allow stations to draw snow/desert aware ground sprites with railtype overlays.
15:13<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r24716 trunk/src/openttd.cpp (2012-11-12 20:13:51 UTC)
15:13<@DorpsGek>-Feature(ette): Reset engine pool when starting a scenario.
15:14<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r24717 trunk/src/saveload/afterload.cpp (2012-11-12 20:14:08 UTC)
15:14<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#5139]: When starting a scenario apply the local company settings to the new company.
15:14<@Alberth>Akregator seems to allow notifications
15:14<FLHerne>frosch123: Akregator is nice. Also part of Kontact, so I can deal with mail and calendars at the same time :-)
15:14<frosch123>i use the gnome default one for now
15:14<FLHerne>Alberth: Oi! I was saying that! :D
15:15*andythenorth thinks rss is like email, so a mail client makes sense :P
15:15<FLHerne>frosch123: You should get KDE instead and use the defaults for that :P
15:15<@Alberth>irc is an asynchronous system :)
15:15<frosch123>FLHerne: i left kde with version 4
15:15<frosch123>i might retry it with gnome 3 :p
15:15<FLHerne>frosch123: They fixed it. 4.9 is great :-)
15:16<FLHerne>I remember 4.0, that was indeed the buggiest POC ever
15:16<@Alberth>FLHerne: you did not try Gnome 3 then :)
15:16<@Alberth>quite unusable :)
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15:16<frosch123>FLHerne: 4.3 was the only one i tried
15:17<FLHerne>Alberth: I gave it a quick try, the WM didn't crash every time I resized a window :P
15:17<frosch123>then i switched to xfce. when i switched to debian, i just used the default gnome
15:17<frosch123>but when i update debian somewhen, i might check something else, since the debian preview i have in a vm has a crappy gnome
15:17<@Alberth>gnome2 is sane enough to use :)
15:17<FLHerne>frosch123: 4.4 was where it started to improve significantly, by 4.6 they had it almost nailed :-)
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15:18<FLHerne>4.7-4.9 has been mostly minor stuff, but covered all the niggly 'why does it behave like that?' issues I had before
15:26<frosch123>well, i have learned to try new releases and wms only in a vm first :p
15:31<Rait>anyone tried compiling with VS2012?
15:32*Rubidium remembers failing in a pre-beta version
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15:33<Rait>yeah, it whines about macro redefinition
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15:39<Yexo>Rait: could you copy/paste the exact error to http://paste.openttdcoop.org/ ?
15:39<Rait>error VS gives me?
15:39<Yexo>yes
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15:43<frosch123>yay, my TODO bookmarks fit on one page again!
15:45<FLHerne>My one Todo is: Update list of things to do :D
15:46<frosch123>are you not doing that during your sleep?
15:46<Rait>http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1922/
15:46<FLHerne>frosch123: Yes, but then I never get round to typing it into my computer :P
15:48<frosch123>Rait: so it fails to give a proper error location? :p
15:49<Rait>seems so
15:49<frosch123>anyway, does it work if you comment stdafx.h:187 ?
15:49<@Alberth>nice error :p
15:49<Rait>it's already commented out
15:50<Yexo>Rait: does it compile with http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/msvc2012.diff ?
15:50<Rait>by me that is
15:50<Yexo>nvm, that's what frosch123 already suggested :p
15:50<frosch123>did you check that "xkeycheck.h" file?
15:50<frosch123>i have no idea what that refers to
15:51<Yexo>#pragma warning(enable: 4005) <- perhaps that helps?
15:51<Rait>yeah, it basically disallows any overrides of c++ keywords and throws errors if it finds one
15:51<Rait>Yexo, this goes where?
15:51<Yexo>somewhere in stdafx.h
15:51<Yexo>near the top
15:54<Rubidium>is inline a c++ keyword then?
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15:54<Rubidium>ah yes... it seems to be
15:54<frosch123>it is listed in 2.11 "keywords"
15:55<Rubidium>ohoh... that's going to yield a mess
15:55<Yexo>s/inline/FORCEINLINE/ in all header files?
15:56<@Alberth>didn't we remove all the incline stuff recently?
15:56<@Alberth>-c
15:56<Yexo>apparently, I can't find it anymore
15:56<Rubidium>exactly that :(
15:57<Rait>Yexo after the fix:
15:57<Rait>Warning 2 warning C4615: #pragma warning : unknown user warning type (..\src\core\alloc_func.cpp) e:\dl\openttd-1.2.3-source\openttd-1.2.3\src\stdafx.h 12 1 strgen
15:57<Rait>repeated by several hundred copys. i guess efery file compiling touches
15:57<Rait>some errors too
15:57<Yexo>Rait: so it's impossible to disable that warning
15:58<frosch123>r23640 removed the FORCEINLINE
15:58<Yexo>commenting out the #define inline __forceinline line should work though
15:58<frosch123>before that we defined inline to _inline
15:59<Yexo>question is: do we really need __forceinline everywhere?
15:59<frosch123>only a profile run can answer :)
16:00<Rubidium>IIRC it was significant enough for the pathfinder
16:01<frosch123>well, but also with lto? :p
16:01<Rubidium>and I wonder whether the (map) accessors and stuff are considered easy enough by the compiler to inline them
16:01<Rubidium>frosch123: lto isn't really used yet
16:01<Rubidium>not sure whether it actually reliably works yet
16:01<Yexo>if the map accessors are not automatically inlined msvc is really braindead
16:01<frosch123>we are talking about msvc
16:01<Yexo>I'd be really surprised if they are not btw
16:02<Rubidium>I'd first check *if* MSVC 2012 can build proper binaries and then start thinking about profiling
16:03<Rubidium>I seem to remember you being only able to build app store apps with it (or with the free version at least)
16:03<Yexo>that got reverted
16:03<Rubidium>sissies
16:03<Yexo>there is now an "express for windows 8" and an "express for windows desktop"
16:06<SmatZ>compiling openttd with -Winline gives tons of "inlining failed" messages
16:06<frosch123>"failed"?
16:06<frosch123>how can it fail?
16:06<Rubidium>recursion
16:06<SmatZ>frosch123: gcc decided not to inline the call :P
16:06<frosch123>oh, haha :p
16:06<Yexo>or function being to big to inline
16:06<SmatZ>it doesn't even need to be "uninlinable"
16:07<SmatZ>warning: inlining failed in call to ‘T Align(T, uint) [with T = unsigned int; uint = unsigned int]’: call is unlikely and code size would grow [-Winline]
16:07<SmatZ>warning: inlining failed in call to ‘NWID* Window::GetWidget(uint) [with NWID = NWidgetCore; uint = unsigned int]’: call is unlikely and code size would grow [-Winline]
16:07<SmatZ>I think these two are mentioned the most often
16:07<frosch123>well, ok, if it calls that "failed" :)
16:07<Rubidium>GetWidget being called unlikely?
16:08<Yexo>splitting inline to "inline" and "FORCEINLINE" has the advantage we could use __attribute__((always_inline)) for gcc
16:11<@Alberth>compared with path finding, GetWidget is unlikely :)
16:12<Yexo>it's per call to GetWidget
16:13<Yexo>first time it warns for me it from ai_gui.cpp:113, that call is certainly unlikely
16:17<SmatZ>http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/Winline_sort.txt many warnings :)
16:17<SmatZ>9321 lines..
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16:20<SmatZ>I am not compiling a release version, so assert() grows many small functions significantly...
16:20<Rubidium>I hope it isn't an enable-debug=3-ish build either ;)
16:21<Yexo>SmatZ: that makes the test basically useless
16:21<SmatZ>yeah, recompiling now :)
16:22<Rubidium>gheheh... today xkcd remember me of Guy Steele's "Growing a language" speech/presentation
16:23<SmatZ>:)
16:24<V453000>hi beer :)
16:25<SmatZ>hello V. :)
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16:32<Yexo>http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/forceinline.diff <- on two random testgames with quite a few things going on this makes openttd significantly faster
16:32<Yexo>tested with: time bin/openttd -g savegame.sav -snull -mnull -vnull:ticks=2000 -x
16:32<SmatZ>good :)
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16:33<Yexo>+- 7.5s without vs +- 6.6s with that diff
16:33<SmatZ>7.5s for 2000 ticks looks like very short time
16:33<SmatZ>wasn't the game paused?
16:33<SmatZ>or it wasn't a huge coop-style game :)
16:34<Yexo>not paused, the game was from coop actually
16:34<Yexo>1378 trains
16:34<frosch123>@calc 2000/74
16:34<@DorpsGek>frosch123: 27.027027027
16:34<frosch123>one month
16:34<frosch123>quite fast for 7.5s
16:34<SmatZ>you have a very powerful CPU then :)
16:34<Rubidium>or it is just scanning NewGRFs?
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16:35<Yexo>Rubidium: I've tested that too of course
16:35<Yexo>loading an almost empty games takes +- 1.7s
16:35<Yexo>most of that is scanning newgrfs
16:35<frosch123>you do not have 975 of them then :p
16:36<Yexo>devs.openttd.org/~yexo/coop19.sav <- there is the savegame
16:36<Yexo>only 600
16:36<Yexo>but it's with a hot cache
16:37<Yexo>http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/speedy_md5.diff <- using openssl to calculate the md5 of newgrfs can speed up openttd a little bit
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16:37<SmatZ>http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/Winline_sort_disable_assert.txt only with 151 warnings...
16:37<SmatZ>that is gcc 4.8
16:37<Yexo>but openssl' license is problematic I think, and using gnutls (also in the diff) is not faster than our code
16:38<Yexo>SmatZ: it would be more useful with the extra line of context, ie from where it fails to inline them
16:38<SmatZ>also adds an (optional) dependence....
16:39<SmatZ>http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/make_log_disable_assert.txt Yexo <-- the whole log
16:39<Yexo>yeah, it was mostly an experiment to see if it could be done faster
16:39<Yexo>performance gain is minimal, so not worth the trouble imo
16:41<andythenorth>hi hi Yexo, would you mind looking at this sometime? http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/3954
16:42<andythenorth>I had a look at it at the weekend, but found I had questions, so de-prioritised it :)
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16:42<andythenorth>hmm
16:42<Yexo>sure, np
16:43<andythenorth>the ticket should say the purpose - which is to provide more variety at industries with two outputs, e.g. farms
16:43<andythenorth>I'll add that
16:43<Yexo>please do
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16:44<andythenorth>thanks
16:45<Rait>anything else i can do regarding the w8 bug?
16:45<Yexo>warning: inlining failed in call to 'SQCompiler::~SQCompiler() noexcept (true)': call is unlikely and code size would grow [-Winline] <- how can the call to that destructor be unlikely?
16:45<Yexo>Rait: commenting out the "#define inline __forceinline" line should help
16:45<Yexo>if not, wait for somebody else with msvc2012 who can fix it
16:46<andythenorth>FIRS open tickets will soon all be graphics not code
16:46<andythenorth>apart from bugs that get raised :P
16:47<Rait>well, it's commented out and it still whines about this. the paste i gave is with this commented
16:47<Rait>but that's just me unable to compile. the real bug i was referring to whas going to fullscreen
16:52<andythenorth>bed
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16:52<+michi_cc>Rait: There's an identical line at src/3rdparty/squirrel/include/squirrel.h:39, you probably have to comment that as well.
16:59<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r24718 /trunk/src (6 files in 2 dirs) (2012-11-12 21:59:02 UTC)
16:59<@DorpsGek>-Codechange: Rename GoodsEntry::days_since_pickup to GoodsEntry::time_since_pickup.
16:59<@planetmaker>evening
17:03<Yexo>hi planetmaker
17:03<Yexo>and good night :)
17:03<@planetmaker>:-) sleep well, Yexo
17:03<Rait>damnit, still won't compile. something about SAFESEH. no idea what this is :)
17:03<Rait>good night
17:04<V453000>90% servicing interval means that whenever reliability drops below 90%, train will want to service?
17:04<frosch123>check the description
17:04<frosch123>it is realtive to the max reliavility
17:04<frosch123>but i do not know in which direction
17:04<frosch123>whether drop to 90% or drop by 90% :)
17:04<V453000>ah right
17:05<V453000>well yeah that is exactly what I am wondering about :)
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17:05<frosch123>the description says "by"
17:05<V453000>yeah
17:06<frosch123>just use "50" :p
17:06<V453000>so if I set it to 0%, it should mean trains always want to service?
17:06<V453000>100 I mean, 0 disables it
17:06<frosch123>if you set it to 0% i guess they should not want to leave depots :p
17:06<V453000>exactly
17:06<V453000>need something like that
17:07<frosch123>no idea what happens when you set it to more than 100 :p
17:07<V453000>autoreplace needs the train to demand a service
17:07<V453000>idk but max is 900 for some reason :D guess thati s for the day units
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17:07<frosch123>well, the service percent/days setting is the most hackish mess we have in ottd
17:08<frosch123>btw. if you have a running game, changing the value in adv. settings has no effect iirc
17:08<frosch123>it only affects new vehicles, you have to change all your 5000 trains yourself
17:08<V453000>yeah I know
17:09<V453000>just for the next time
17:09<V453000>hm what could be better, 15 days or 5%? .)
17:09<V453000>I mean what occurs quicker
17:09<V453000>would have to test I assume
17:09<frosch123>depends on the vehicle
17:09<frosch123>the reliabilty drops at different speed
17:10<V453000>ah yeah that is true, there is some newgrf value for that
17:10<V453000>hm, guess 15 days is good enough
17:10<frosch123>anyway, if you only use it for autoreplace, then any value triggers it immediately
17:10<V453000>anyway ... I already suggested it, but it would be amazing if the train list ->send all trains for servicing command would just reset that value
17:11<frosch123>last servicing will always be the age of the vehicle, wouldn't it?
17:11<V453000>yeah but if the value is 600 days and I want to autoreplace trains within 300 days, I need to force them to depots
17:11<frosch123>well, there is no fs task about it, is there?
17:11<frosch123>so i cannot add it to my todo bookmarks
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17:11<V453000>ok :)
17:11<V453000>will do
17:13<V453000>btw is the bug where trains crash when at PBS if you make station longer?
17:14<V453000>will report that as well in case
17:14<V453000>it is in openttd since like forever it seems
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17:17<@Terkhen>good night
17:24<V453000>http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5362
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18:03<frosch123>night
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18:29<Eddi|zuHause>V453000: i think there are a few reservation errors with changing stations which nobody really looked at
18:30<Eddi|zuHause>most stale reservations i've seen were with stations
18:30<V453000>:)
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20:37<Supercheese>Question: Making an industry's production level affected by another nearby industry's production level (and/or how much cargo the other industry has received). Is this possible?
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