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00:43<ccfreak2k>So what's the consensus on the openttd app in the google play store these days?
00:46<Nat_aS>phones don't have Ctrl keys
00:46<Nat_aS>so there is no way to play OTTD on an android device
00:46<Nat_aS>:p
00:54<ccfreak2k>Mine does.
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01:06<Rubidium>I wouldn't really care, as long as we don't get the whining about the buttons being to small or OpenTTD not being properly made for mobile phones/tablets
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01:13<fixi>hey
01:13<fixi>so
01:13<fixi>i was just about to start my very first openttd server
01:13<fixi>for personal use
01:13<fixi>on a 128MB linux vps
01:14<fixi>i didnt know if its going to be possible
01:14<fixi>but it seems all ok
01:14<fixi>for now
01:14<fixi>:)
01:14<fixi>sorry its a 256M one
01:14<fixi>whatever
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03:32<jamesgo>How are the version strings for Cargodist releases generated? For instance, gbc6b29cd-cd. Are they something to do with Git commit ids?
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03:38<@peter1138>yes
03:40<Supercheese>Hmm, I'm trying to find why ships whose max speed is set above 88 via callback still can't exceed 88 mph in actual velocity
03:40<Supercheese>the displayed speed increpents past, but the actual on-screen speed resets to zero
03:40<Supercheese>increments*
03:41<Supercheese>I'm wondering if it has something to do with "(byte)spd;"
03:41<Supercheese>some kind of inline typecasting?
03:42<FLHerne>Wasn't there moaning about that in the Ekranoplan thread?
03:42<Supercheese>I'm trying to actually find the cause, rather than moaning :P
03:42<Supercheese>the ShipAccelerate function in ship_cmd.cpp seems a likely candidate
03:43<jamesgo>peter1138: Thanks, do you know the exact format? Eight characters in the version string change with each release, but commit ids are usually seven characters
03:44<@peter1138>git ids are sha1 hashes
03:44<@peter1138>40 characters
03:44<@peter1138>the first 8 are used
03:45<@peter1138>Supercheese, no, that's part of the algorithm
03:46<Supercheese>Well, I'm wondering if there's anything in here that causes the strange reset-when-88mph-reached behavior: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2069/
03:48<Eddi|zuHause>Supercheese: no, that just decides whether the vehicle should advance one step
03:48<jamesgo>peter1138: Ah, I see. Thanks for your help
03:50<Eddi|zuHause>Supercheese: what you see is time machine kicking in at 88mph :p
03:50<Supercheese>-_-
03:50<@peter1138>actually 88mph or 80mph?
03:51<@peter1138>80mph is represented by 256. 88mph is between 281..282
03:51<Supercheese>Hmm, actually the ship freaks out at various speeds
03:52<Supercheese>I've set a ship speed to 300 mph via callback
03:53<Supercheese>it often resets to 0mph when it hits 80*n mph
03:53<Supercheese>but sometimes makes it past
03:53<Supercheese>like now, it just made it to 100-ish mph
03:53<Eddi|zuHause>Supercheese: probably it shouldn't even allow to set this kind of speed
03:54<Supercheese>when it changes direction, it also seems to freak out
03:55<@peter1138>well max_speed is 16 bits for ships
03:55<@peter1138>although i don't think that's original
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03:56<Supercheese>the on-screen number always increments properly
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03:56<Supercheese>but the actual speed, not so much
03:56<@peter1138>oh well thanks for saying so
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03:57<@peter1138>reason is the ship controller doesn't handle multiple movements per tick
03:57<@peter1138>so it can't go above 255
03:57<@peter1138>which is just below 80 mp
03:57<@peter1138>*mph
03:57<@peter1138>but you got fixated on 88mph :p
03:57<Supercheese>yeah >_>
03:58<Supercheese>which file should I have looked at, then?
03:58<TexasPete>lol he wanted to time travel
04:03<dihedral>greetings
04:09<Supercheese>Hmm, the ShipController function confuses me, I am insufficiently familiar with the code
04:11<@peter1138>how do you think you'll get familiar with it?
04:12<Supercheese>I'm working on that right now
04:12<Supercheese>:D
04:16<Supercheese>Hmm, I don't understand some of these operators, bitwise stuff it seems
04:19<Supercheese>They seem simple enough, I've just never encountered them before
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04:30<Supercheese>anyway, sleep time
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05:30<NGC3982>Morning.
05:37<TexasPete>morning
05:49<@peter1138>hmm, transfer/no load + refit?
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05:53<Celestar>foobarbaz?
05:56<@peter1138>apprently a remote X11 app on a laggy ssh connection can make the xserver lag :S
06:01<@peter1138>looks like it's a restriction enforced in the ui only
06:01<@peter1138>setting no load forced no refit
06:01<@peter1138>and the ui will represent that
06:02<@peter1138>but if it's laggy or something in the meantime, you can change the refit
06:02<@peter1138>cos that doesn't check for no load
06:05<@peter1138>http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/fs5446.diff
06:05<@peter1138>(doesn't fix the savegame mind you)
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07:32<@peter1138>exciting
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08:10<@peter1138>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=64107
08:10<@peter1138>hehe
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08:17<@peter1138>hi
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08:30<Eddi|zuHause>http://i.imgur.com/PfJ6kbA.jpg
08:32<@peter1138>yup, that needed photo effects
08:38<NGC3982>Hah.
08:38<NGC3982>I can't figure out what's funnier, the Instagram of a tweet screenshot, or the actual quote.
08:41<@peter1138>the joke's pretty poor
08:41<NGC3982>As is my ambition of todays training
08:41<NGC3982>An hour of running, 200+200kcal of cross-trainer. I do not look forward to it
08:42<NGC3982>I want to stay home, and continue ruining my server game.
08:46<@peter1138>http://imgur.com/gallery/luAuD
08:52<NGC3982>I hope nobody was injured.
08:53<NGC3982>21 lightly injured, and no deaths.
08:53<Pinkbeast>Coo, how on Earth did they manage to overturn that crane?
08:53<Eddi|zuHause>i'm getting numbers 13 to 15
08:54<NGC3982>Eddi|zuHause: yes, http://imgur.com/gallery/j1xZ5 - "Of 21 injured on the scene only 15 were taken to the nearest hospital, all of them with minor injuries and discharged this morning."
08:54<Eddi|zuHause>NGC3982: must have been lost in translation
08:55<NGC3982>Did this happend yesterday?
08:55<NGC3982>Eddi|zuHause: Was Bill Murray on the train?
08:55<Eddi|zuHause>i never actually watched that movie
08:56<NGC3982>I love it.
08:56<NGC3982>Scarlett Johanssons utopian behind, and Murray's lack of interest in everything.
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09:23<@peter1138>pom te pom
09:24<dihedral>hello
09:24<Anna30F>hello
09:27<Anna30F>join me, it's free => http://adultfriendfinder.com/go/g655764
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09:30<Stimrol>Hello, I have been trying to start Autopilot from crontab after I update the server, but I always get this error --> : spawn id exp6 not open...
09:32<Stimrol>This seams to have something to do with no user, but I am running the crontab as the user who runs it normally. But if I echo $USER it is blank and $PATH includes path for the program running tcl scripts. The script I run from crontab is BASH script calling TLC script if that says something
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09:43<@Belugas>and from the cold mouth of freezing hell, I salute you all
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09:49<@peter1138>Belugas, :D
09:56<dihedral>Stimrol, looks more like the thing wants a tty
09:57<@Belugas>hi peter1138 :)
09:57<dihedral>autopilot is not desinged to run outside a terminal
09:57<dihedral>your best move is to use it with something like screen
10:13<Stimrol>Okey that is the case, was beginning to think that
10:16<Stimrol>so all the servers useing somekind of middle way to be able to have commands and irc are just manual run from terminal screen, no autorun
10:16<Stimrol>thanks for the hehlp dihedral
10:16<dihedral>Stimrol, not quite
10:17<dihedral>screen is a command, get familiar with it ;-)
10:17<Pinkbeast>Except get familiar with tmux instead
10:17<dihedral>Pinkbeast, not helpful ;-)
10:17<Stimrol>yes I have heard of screen, bu never tryed it. My friend runs minecraft server on it :)
10:18<dihedral>you can make a bash script which will create a screen session and automatically start autopilot in that
10:18<Pinkbeast>Yes, helpful - no-one should start using screen today, tmux is strictly better.
10:18<Pinkbeast>It's like using "more".
10:18<dihedral>and if you feel fancy (and to keep Pinkbeast happy and quite) you can look at alternatives to screen ;-)
10:19<Stimrol>I always user more :)
10:20<Pinkbeast>Stimrol: but would you tell someone to use "more", or "less"?
10:20<Stimrol>then another small thing, isn't autopilot the most used of them
10:21<+michi_cc>ß
10:21<@peter1138>Ω
10:21<Stimrol>yes I would maybe tell someone to user more to look at some log file
10:22<+michi_cc>Note to self: don't drop things on the keyboard ;)
10:22<Stimrol>specially for fluid
10:22<Stimrol>:)
10:24<Stimrol>history | more that is also my friend
10:24<Pinkbeast>Fine, then, use screen and don't complain when UTF-8 fails miserably. :-)
10:25<Stimrol>but what instead of more
10:25<dihedral>Pinkbeast, can you please play hide and go fuck yourself?
10:25<dihedral>you are quite annoying
10:25<Pinkbeast>What the devil's your problem?
10:25<dihedral>and if you insist in being annoying, i'll happily welcome another stupid nick to my local ignore list ;-)
10:26<Pinkbeast>Be my guest.
10:27<Stimrol>did not trouble my, think this was okay discussion, good to also know about tmux and dislike of more :D
10:27<Pinkbeast>Stimrol: well, I guess I can explain to you, at least. You might use "more" out of habit, but "less" is just better - so I would expect you to recommend "less" to other people.
10:28<Pinkbeast>And likewise I _do_ use "screen" out of habit, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else, because "tmux" is pretty much like it except eg it handles Unicode well.
10:29<Stimrol>yes probably true, I havent got used to using less, but sometimes do, but more I use much more. But it is true it is just out of habbit
10:29<dihedral>thing is that 'better' is no valid reason
10:29<Pinkbeast>I thought you'd ignored me?
10:29<dihedral>unless you can argue aside of personal preference
10:30<Pinkbeast>Sure, and it's not a bad habit to have, but I'd always recommend something that works better to someone else.
10:30<dihedral>i said "if you insist in being annoying" ;-)
10:30<Pinkbeast>It's not a personal preference to have non-ASCII characters handled correctly!
10:30<dihedral>again "works better" has no real value
10:30<Stimrol>this is not that heated that it should be the cause of ignore list I think. But if utf8 is a problem for screen then I understand it, I need utf8 most of the time
10:31<Pinkbeast>So perhaps what you meant is "I don't know about tmux, could you explain why you think it is better", rather than "fuck yourself"?
10:31<blathijs>screen can use utf8 just as well, no problems here (but I've also heard people say that tmux is the new screen, so might as well start using that)
10:31<dihedral>now that is a statement ;-)
10:32<Pinkbeast>blathijs: It certainly can be made to work, but it's full of pitfalls.
10:32<dihedral>i've never had issues with screen
10:32<__ln__>screen supports a subset of unicode. admittedly a subset that is sufficient for almost everybody at least in western world.
10:32<Stimrol>And for me I am thankfull for this help, one pointing to screen and other to tmux and that is good to have a choose and find what fits better for my uses
10:33<Stimrol>I am a peacekeeper hehe
10:34<dihedral>Pinkbeast, jumping in with 'tmux is better' does not help - hence 'not helpful' - a reference to 'screen can cause problems with utf8 - a replacement for screen is tmux and you might want to look into that instead' is helpful
10:34<blathijs>Pinkbeast: Dunno, I think that if you set up a proper utf-8 locale, it works out of the box
10:35<Pinkbeast>dihedral: Well, yes, it does; it tells Stimrol what they need to know. If you happen to be ill-informed, you can ask.
10:36<Pinkbeast>Put it this way, I'll say "less is better than more" without automatically appending a description of why.
10:36<Stimrol>is it easy to let bash script run something in this or that window in screen or tmux, maybe something mr google will explain easily for me
10:37<dihedral>i want people to have to page through a long service agreement when installing software, what would you use? i hear you always say less is better?
10:37<dihedral>just as an example
10:37<Stimrol>hehe
10:37<Pinkbeast>Both screen and tmux have a "run this command on startup" argument
10:38<Pinkbeast>A asks that question. B says "use more". C says "less is better than more". C has told A what they need to know. If B happens to be ignorant of less, they can ask C, or not.
10:43<Stimrol>I had been trying to have nightly server for test, and update 20:00 GMT each night and if there is new build then, then restart autopilot, and you say that is possible with crontab and both screen and tmux. Because I am not running it on startup every time in tmux and screen.
10:45<dihedral>Pinkbeast, continuing with 'less is better' without supplying any information is just silly, sorry for that. and discussing this after Stimrol is happy and has enough information is just a waste of more time.
10:45<Pinkbeast>If you feel that way you are of course at liberty to stop discussing it.
10:46<+glx>dihedral: less is better because it can go backward ;)
10:46<dihedral>hehe
10:46<Stimrol>but anyway thanks for the help all of you, probably not the last time :)
10:46<Pinkbeast>But, no, C is not obliged to anticipate B's ignorance.
10:46<+glx>that's the real information
10:46<Pinkbeast>Stimrol: tmux -c shell-command ; dunno the screen-ism off the top of my head. By the way.
10:50<dihedral>do you actually have a hard time at work some times or do you still go to school?
10:50<dihedral>i am just curious
10:50<Pinkbeast>I'm not really interesting in engaging with your nerd-rage.
10:51<dihedral>lol
10:51<dihedral>cute
11:00<@peter1138>stupid evolution
11:00<@peter1138>(the email client)
11:00<@peter1138>seems i have to quit and restart to make account settings changes actually apply :S
11:01<Stimrol>I was happy when ubuntu started using thunderbird as default instead of evolution
11:01<@peter1138>evolution is way nicer than thunderbird
11:04<dihedral>peter1138, it's "better" ;-)
11:04<Stimrol>I could not use the address book in evolution because it presumes every country have "lastname,firstname" but my country never have it that way. It is the first thing I remember why I disliked it
11:11<Pinkbeast>http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/
11:12<@peter1138>it doesn't force lastname, firstname for me
11:15<Stimrol>I dont remember how it was, some years ago. But I think I could not enter names as first name last name, and I had to select for each and evry address I added that I would like to file it as Full name. Then at that time, it always stored all the addresses as lastname, firstname in ubuntu one
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11:39<Stimrol>about tmux, I run /usr/bin/tmux new-session -d ./autopilot.tcl .... and I see it is running, but can I switch to the session and see it or you control it through rcon commands?
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11:45<Pinkbeast>What does "tmux attach" do?
11:46<Pinkbeast>-d says "detach" so I would expect attach to give it back to you.
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11:56<Stimrol>Pinkbeast, that worked, that opened the right session
11:58<Pinkbeast>When you have multiple tmux sessions you may need -t name to sort them out
11:59<Stimrol>okey
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12:11<Eddi|zuHause>i don't use "more" or "less", i just use a terminal with a large buffer
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12:17<@Terkhen>hello
12:20<Stimrol>thanks Pinkbeast and dihedral I now have this working as intended :)
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12:21<@peter1138>hmm, ought to finish this waypoint restriction patch before it gets obsolete again
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12:30<NGC3982>Evening.
12:31<NGC3982>If i build roads adjacent to a town, will that in any way help town growth?
12:31<Pinkbeast>I don't believe so.
12:32<NGC3982>For instance, http://i.imgur.com/e0RXjOe.png and http://i.imgur.com/qErouZf.png
12:33<Pinkbeast>I don't believe that serves any purpose. ICBW.
12:34<NGC3982>Heh.
12:36<Eddi|zuHause>NGC3982: it may slightly improve town growth
12:37<Pinkbeast>Oh, because it considers "build a road or a building", "can't build a road"?
12:37<NGC3982>That was my impression
12:45<FLHerne>peter1138: Waypoint restriction patch? TTDPish?
12:48<@peter1138>dunno, i don't play ttdpatch
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12:48<@peter1138>NGC3982, yes it will
12:48<@peter1138>NGC3982, it makes it more like to build a house than a road
12:49<NGC3982>So, something like Pinkbeast said?
12:49<NGC3982>"Build a road ..oh, wait. Already there. *House*."
12:49<Pinkbeast>Mind you, I don't want too much town growth. Stay nice and small, chaps, until I've built you a Hauptbahnhof
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13:05<NGC3982>My god. Trains that share orders, does not share Service intervals, right?
13:06<Pinkbeast>But if you clone a lot of trains and send them out together, they'll tend to want servicing together...
13:08<frosch123>servicing intervals are about the biggest mess in ottd :p
13:08<@peter1138>i have a patch for service intervals...
13:08<NGC3982>I tried it out, and it's not shared.
13:08<Pinkbeast>To say nothing of vehicles wanting servicing having such a talent for picking wildly inappropriate depots :-/
13:08<NGC3982>And that's a good thing
13:08<NGC3982>For me, right now.
13:08<NGC3982>Pinkbeast: Indeed..
13:09<NGC3982>I have never used anything but default service intervals, and i did actually think about it right now. In my current game, i'm running with breakdowns, and i solved it by putting depot orders on all of the shared trains.
13:09<NGC3982>I could aswell turn servicing off.
13:15<@peter1138>hmm, should a fix for FS#5446 fix possibly-broken savegames?
13:15<frosch123>no, just let them sell the vehicle
13:16<@peter1138>true
13:17<@peter1138>i guess i'd have to patch the ui to let me try to apply the command to see if it's fixed :p
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13:26<@Alberth>moin
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13:33<@DorpsGek>Commit by peter1138 :: r24936 trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp (2013-01-23 18:33:28 UTC)
13:33<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#5446]: Don't allow order refit to be set for no-load orders.
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13:43<Wolf01>o/
13:43<@Alberth>\o
13:43<NGC3982>Personal thoughts with Pax trains: Many short ones, or few long ones?
13:44<Eddi|zuHause>yes
13:44<Wolf01>ahah
13:45<@Alberth>many, no matter how long
13:45<Wolf01>I think green is better
13:45<@Alberth>oh, good point
13:45<@Alberth>pax like green
13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r24937 /trunk/src/lang (5 files in 2 dirs) (2013-01-23 18:45:31 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>greek - 38 changes by Evropi
13:45<@DorpsGek>korean - 1 changes by telk5093
13:45<@DorpsGek>tamil - 1 changes by aswn
13:45<@DorpsGek>turkish - 10 changes by magnum06
13:45<@DorpsGek>vietnamese - 1 changes by nglekhoi
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13:51<NGC3982>Eddi|zuHause: :D
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13:55<Eddi|zuHause>hmm... "dbg: [driver] extmidi: set volume not implemented"
13:57<@peter1138>it's not
13:57<@peter1138>and never will be
13:57<@peter1138>so...
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14:44<andythenorth>hi
14:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r24938 /trunk/src (62 files in 3 dirs) (2013-01-23 19:45:47 UTC)
14:45<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#5447-ish]: Never put a space between cargo name and subtype.
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15:00<@DorpsGek>Commit by peter1138 :: r24939 /trunk/src (autoreplace_cmd.cpp autoreplace_gui.cpp) (2013-01-23 20:00:00 UTC)
15:00<@DorpsGek>-Fix: Redraw autoreplace window properly in network games.
15:00<NGC3982>My life just gave me a what we call "i-landsproblem".
15:00<NGC3982>Too much stuff on map, too few transistors in CPU.
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15:11<LSky`>sup everyone, looking for someone who can compile OpenTTD for my server, needs a few patches, nothing extraordinary
15:12<__ln__>1. download source, 2. apply patches, 3. compile, 4. profit
15:12<@Alberth>running a patched server is not going to work, in general
15:13<@Alberth>since your clients are going to need to use the exact same version
15:13<LSky`>Luckily
15:13<LSky`>I have an established community
15:13<LSky`>Who all download modded clients
15:13<LSky`>So that part is covered
15:14<LSky`>Its just that the person who used to compile the clients and server for me, hasnt been around
15:14<@peter1138>it's not particularly hard
15:15<andythenorth>I can manage it
15:15<andythenorth>on OS X
15:15<andythenorth>which is made for bubble-heads
15:15<@Alberth>assuming your patches apply cleanly :p
15:15<LSky`>So Ive been told, I tried this myself but the amount of programs one has to download, an the fact that I dont have OSX or linux...
15:15<LSky`>Theyre pretty mainstream patches
15:15<LSky`>But I just want to add one to what we use now
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15:16<@peter1138>so you're running the server on a windows machine? yuck :p
15:16<LSky`>No
15:16<LSky`>The server is linux, we need Windows compiles for the clients
15:20<LSky`>Anyway, if anyone can spare some time and can help me with this, please let me know/send a PM or whatever. Ill be around
15:20<NGC3982>peter1138: Running a dedicated OpenTTD server in Windows is beyond great.
15:21<NGC3982>The only thing lacking is SSH connectivity, for stuff that's non-rcon-able.
15:22<@peter1138>well you can handle that with cygwin
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15:24<Zuu>NGC3982: According to wikipedia, the translation of "i-landsproblem" is "first world problem", though I have no idea if there are shades of differences between the english and swedish term.
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15:27<Eddi|zuHause>i don't think i've heard that term in german
15:27<Eddi|zuHause>although there is "Luxusproblem", which may mean something similar, or not...
15:27<andythenorth>semantics is a first world problem :P
15:27<andythenorth>(not really)
15:28<NGC3982>Zuu: The usage in Swedish does mean just that, but with a great deal of sarcasm.
15:28<NGC3982>It's a hipster thing.
15:28<@peter1138>smelled of apples
15:29<NGC3982>As far as i know, the Swedish scetch TV-show "Hipp! Hipp!" used it to show the meta-irony of how the expression is used.
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15:31<Zuu>NGC3982: yes, it was featured in Hipp! Hipp!.
15:31<NGC3982>And then, i guess, for some reason - I see a great deal of difference in a simple first world problem, and the usage of "dagens i-landsproblem".
15:32<andythenorth>hrm
15:32<andythenorth>hax
15:32<NGC3982>Why do i get the feeling i make this channel filthy with OT every evening?
15:34<__ln__>This channel exists for off-topicness.
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15:34<andythenorth>so does your mum
15:34<andythenorth>eh?
15:35*andythenorth had a teenage moment there
15:35<andythenorth>let's move on
15:35<andythenorth>peter1138 no-one played our game much recently :P
15:35<andythenorth>still 2012
15:35<@peter1138>i did a bit
15:35<andythenorth>and flherne is killing us
15:36<andythenorth>my bauxite 747s make no money :(
15:41<__ln__>NGC3982: Were you at some point making TTD+Tron-style music?
15:41<NGC3982>__ln__: Indeed i was.
15:42<__ln__>Great success?
15:42<NGC3982>Well, it was actually in two parts. The first try was actual Transport Tycoon music in Tron style. The second attempt was Tron-ish music, just ..fitting enough.
15:43<NGC3982>TT music is very jiggly and slapdash, Tron music is not.
15:43<NGC3982>A new attempt would be fun.
15:45<__ln__>I'd be interested to hear such combination.
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15:53<__ln__>NGC3982: What do you think, was Tron Legacy soundtrack made by Daft Punk alone, or did they get guidance from Hans Zimmer?
16:05<NGC3982>The music was made by Hanz Zimmer, and he instructed Thomas and Guy-Manuel.
16:06<NGC3982>Mr. Zimmer is more then well involved in electronic music composition.
16:07<@peter1138>hmm, i need to emulate network lag
16:07<@peter1138>preferably in single player :p
16:10<__ln__>NGC3982: I don't think mr. Zimmer is officially listed as the composer anywhere?
16:12<frosch123>peter1138: just add a sleep in the server command receiver
16:13<frosch123>then start the server locally
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16:18<@peter1138>hmmm
16:20<NGC3982>__ln__: I have no idea.
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16:21<@peter1138>i added a sleep in ReceiveCommand
16:22<NGC3982>Simply listening to it should make sufficient evidence of him being the prior composer
16:22<@peter1138>NetworkGameSocketHandler::ReceiveCommand()
16:22<NGC3982>It's not really Daft Punk music
16:22<@peter1138>however that actually makes the client lock up for the sleep duration...
16:22<NGC3982>Though, it's not really important. They made it together, and i like it.
16:22<NGC3982>:)
16:22<@peter1138>hmm, of course
16:23<@peter1138>that's right, both client & server receive :p
16:23<NGC3982>__ln__: And, he is too listed. His company is, apparently.
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16:28<__ln__>Okay then.
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16:30<NGC3982>He's a bloody genious.
16:32<Eddi|zuHause>does Hans Zimmer even compose anything himself anymore? i think he has some kind of "composing manufacture", like rembrandt had a painting manufacture, where he employed people to paint in his style
16:32<@peter1138>http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/orderdirty.diff < remove pointless dirties
16:33<__ln__>Good question.
16:33<NGC3982>Eddi|zuHause: Well, i would say.. Yes. The more experimental (non-movie) music seems to be nothing but him. Although, the Trons of the Caribean is a huge amount of people.
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16:37<NGC3982>I need lingual help.
16:37<@peter1138>bling!ual
16:37<NGC3982>What is the difference between a "personal letter" and a "serial letter"?
16:37<@peter1138>personal is specific to one person
16:38<@peter1138>serial is the same letter for a load of recipients
16:38<@peter1138>i guess :p
16:38<NGC3982>Uhm, allright.
16:38<NGC3982>I'm trying to communicate with a german customer
16:42<Eddi|zuHause>NGC3982: serial letter is where you have one form and just (automatically) insert name, adress and stuff
16:42<NGC3982>__ln__: Ill make sure to URL you when i manage to complete the music.
16:43<NGC3982>Eddi|zuHause: Oh, i see.
16:43<__ln__>Excellent.
16:43<NGC3982>I also see where i f*cked up.
16:43<NGC3982>three hundred thousand kronor, lost.
16:46<__ln__>What happened?
16:47<NGC3982>We made mystery calls (equals: Hired by a company pretending to be a customer, evaluating their own customer services) for one of the biggest car manufacturer on the planet
16:48<NGC3982>I was responsible for the entire project, and i managed to miss a small detail in how we should save and present our work
16:48<NGC3982>For an entire year.
16:54<frosch123>night
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16:58<__ln__>Oh.
17:02<andythenorth> bed time
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17:16<Superuser>where the hell is frosch
17:16<Superuser>tell him to get on RIGHT NOW
17:16<Superuser>K
17:16<Superuser>I am so mad
17:16<NGC3982>22:54 < frosch123> night
17:18<Superuser>when was that in your local time? It's 22:16 here
17:19<NGC3982>Oh, sorry. Yes. It was thirty minutes ago.
17:19<__ln__>i don't think frosch is a psychiatrist, so he's the wrong person to contact if you're mad.
17:19<NGC3982>I think he is.
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17:20<NGC3982>Let's call a Schrodinger on him and state that he is one, until we observe him not to be one.
17:20<Superuser>mad as in butt hurt
17:20<NGC3982>Superuser: Can we help you?
17:20<Superuser>no this is between me and him okay, just this is the only way he can be contacted
17:20<Superuser>everything is his fault
17:20<Superuser>EVERYTHING
17:20<Superuser>or hers, who knows
17:21<NGC3982>That would make our psychiatrist hypothesis less plausible.
17:22<__ln__>everything can't possibly be his fault.
17:22<__ln__>because at least 38.4% of everything is Bjarni's fault
17:23<NGC3982>__ln__: This is one of the tracks that originally was made to be a OpenTTron piece. It was later changed and used in Brady Haran's Youtube projects; https://soundcloud.com/sibirish_musik/examples-for-brady-ambient
17:24<NGC3982>__ln__: It was originally very dark, and in natural minor.
17:24<NGC3982>Maybe, i should re-make the original music
17:24<NGC3982>an*
17:25<@Terkhen>good night
17:26<__ln__>Not quite enough TT in it yet, imho.
17:27<NGC3982>Yes, i had to abandon that principle
17:28<NGC3982>Rag-time and big band jazz ensemble is unfortunately not that compatible with ambient and electronic music.
17:28<__ln__>Superuser: we can't wait for details the whole night.
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17:28*NGC3982 actually enjoys playing rag-time more then ambient.
17:28<__ln__>*than
17:28<NGC3982>When on earth do i use then.
17:29<__ln__>When you mean then.
17:29<NGC3982>I actually started with than, and changed it to then.
17:29*NGC3982 googles.
17:29<__ln__>De är två olika ord på svenska, du måste veta skillnaden mellan dom.
17:29<NGC3982>Why do i not know this.
17:29<NGC3982>Det*
17:30<NGC3982>Well, i see the difference now. Time and comparisons made it a bit clearer.
17:30<NGC3982>Don't ask me why i can manage this in french but not in english.
17:31<__ln__>Du skulle inte säga du "tycker mera om rag-time sedan ambient"?
17:31<NGC3982>Yes, i know. You don't have to throw it in my face. :P
17:31<__ln__>I don't mean to..
17:32<NGC3982>I have been lazy with the english since school.
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17:34<NGC3982>You should see the germans i have been working with
17:34<NGC3982>"do u hav di reports yes?"
17:36<__ln__>"di reports" or "zi reports"?
17:37<Eddi|zuHause>ENGLISH ONLY!!!!
17:37<__ln__>alright. Hans Room.
17:38<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: i think "di" is more likely when dealing with germans
17:39<Eddi|zuHause>at least with germans with low english skills
17:42<__ln__>ok
17:48<Wolf01>'night
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18:03<NGC3982>__ln__: Thank you for reminding me. I just sat down at my studio, and ill try to resume the OpenTTron work.
18:07<__ln__>np
18:08<__ln__>NGC3982: You could also experiment with OpenTTDredd style.
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18:16<NGC3982>As in Judge piece-of-crap-fake-movie Dredd?
18:16<__ln__>Not the one with Stallone, no.
18:17<__ln__>The new one with Karl Urban as Dredd.
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18:18<NGC3982>Ah
18:18<NGC3982>Wait what
18:18<NGC3982>Isnt Stallone in the new movie?
18:19<__ln__>Nope.
18:19<MNIM>wut.
18:19<MNIM>stallone is the lawr!
18:19<__ln__>MNIM: nonsense.
18:20<__ln__>NGC3982: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqqgrUna28w
18:20<Eddi|zuHause>speaking of stallone, what was this rumor about a expendables-movie with women?
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18:22<__ln__>sounds like charlie's angels or something.
18:24<__ln__>NGC3982: but to get an idea of the style of the soundtrack: http://open.spotify.com/track/4903EsZNrSEOKxunl1xa9M
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18:28<NGC3982>Ill have a listen
18:28<NGC3982>I'm at the moment filled with bass and euphoria.
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18:43<NGC3982>__ln__: How square.
18:43<NGC3982>Huge amount of pun intended.
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20:21<Supercheese>I wonder what Superuser was going on about earlier...
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