Back to Home / #openttd / 2013 / 01 / Prev Day | Next Day
#openttd IRC Logs for 2013-01-25

---Logopened Fri Jan 25 00:00:17 2013
00:03-!-Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:15-!-Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p57BD5D03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd
00:21-!-Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5D03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:56-!-Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p57BD5D03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit []
00:56-!-Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p57BD4C31.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd
01:13-!-TexasPete [~slim@host86-140-119-109.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd
01:13<TexasPete>hello
01:16<TexasPete>I wonder if someone can help me out, I downloaded the the ottdc_grfpack however I am unsure where I should put the folder
01:17<Supercheese>is it a compressed folder, i.e. .rar .zip?
01:17<TexasPete>well its is compressed but I can un-compress it
01:17<Supercheese>yes, you'll need to
01:18<Supercheese>do you have a link to the folder I can download to see for myself?
01:18<Supercheese>folder/archive/whatnot
01:18<TexasPete>http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/grfpack/releases/LATEST/ottdc_grfpack_8.0.tar.gz
01:19<Supercheese>The contents will probably go in ../Documents/OpenTTD/Newgrf
01:20*TexasPete face palm
01:20<TexasPete>sorry I should probably have figured that out
01:21<TexasPete>thanks I will try that
01:24<Supercheese>you can either put *.grf files there, or put the folder with a *.grf, readme.txt, and such there
01:27<TexasPete>I currently have *.tar files in there not *.grf ones
01:28<Supercheese>those work too, if they're just a .tared folder
01:28<Supercheese>I don't think .tar.gz works, though I could be wrong
01:30<TexasPete>yeah I stuck the missing grf files into the folder, had to restart ttd. I am trying to load a old prozone game
01:30<TexasPete>yey it worked :)
01:33-!-Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:33<Supercheese>excellent
01:41-!-Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd
01:42<TexasPete>how do I turn off the old vehicle warning? please
01:42<Supercheese>should be an advanced setting, otherwise check news settings
01:45-!-Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
01:45-!-Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd
01:46-!-DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-147.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.]
01:56<TexasPete>it was in news settings, phew * breaths sigh of relieve* those warnings where doing my head in
02:05<@peter1138>herpderp
02:09-!-Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd
02:16-!-Markavian [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
02:28-!-Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd
02:32<@peter1138>"Hello, I just completed my registration here and I am here to take part in discussions and events regarding seo services, web development, mobile applications, web designing services"
02:32<@peter1138>so, er...
02:33<Supercheese>spam spam spam
02:33<Supercheese>wonderful spam
02:33<@peter1138>it's like... not spam... but... pre-spam?
02:33<@peter1138>i dunno
02:33<Supercheese>just spam
02:34<Supercheese>spam spam spam spam, sausage, spam spam spam, eggs and spam
02:35<TexasPete>I have never had spam I am too middle class
02:37<TexasPete>not really sure what it is
02:40<@peter1138>sp'am
02:41<Supercheese>Super Portable Amazing Meat?
02:42<@peter1138>spiced ham
02:42<Supercheese>Sanitary Portions for A Meal
02:43<Supercheese>I dunno
02:43<Supercheese>my funny-acronym skills are weak
02:45<__ln__>when they say "i know you're here, your car is here!" in an american tv series, do they really mean it?
02:45<Supercheese>context?
02:45<__ln__>is it impossible for anyone to be at place B if their car is at place A? context: Breaking Bad
02:46<Supercheese>The vast majority of Americans travel with their cars
02:46<Supercheese>it would be reasonable to assume someone is in a place because their car is there
02:46<__ln__>yeah, that much i've understood, but is it out of the question to e.g. go out for a walk without a car?
02:46<Supercheese>in e.g. winter months definitely
02:51<@peter1138>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6049767075 Jan 25 07:50 Xorg.0.log
02:51<@peter1138>that's not very useful
02:53-!-Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause
02:56-!-Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit []
03:02-!-Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd
03:04<Eddi|zuHause>Supercheese: winter months? in arizona? :p
03:04<Eddi|zuHause>or is it new mexico?
03:04<Supercheese>well, here in Idaho
03:04<Eddi|zuHause>i forgot
03:04<Supercheese>I don't watch Breaking Bad
03:04<Eddi|zuHause>you should be ashamed of yourself :p
03:07<__ln__>Eddi|zuHause: i know arizona and winter don't seem to be related, but arizona isn't all desert.
03:08<__ln__>Eddi|zuHause: the people at the entrance to Grand Canyon national park (in Arizona) said that they had 10 feet of snow the previous winter.
03:09<__ln__>Breaking Bad takes place in New Mexico though, and Supercheese should definitely watch the series.
03:09<Supercheese>I suppose I'll have to download them, then
03:09<__ln__>no netflix?
03:10<Supercheese>Netflix, download, same diff
03:10<__ln__>except one is legal and the other one not?
03:10<Eddi|zuHause>how does "download" imply "not legal"?
03:10<__ln__>"downloading" is illegal by default.
03:11<Eddi|zuHause>a) no, it is not, uploading is, and b) what if it's a licensed download?
03:12<Eddi|zuHause>amazon, itunes, whatever
03:12<__ln__>fair enough, it's possible.
03:13<Supercheese>When you use Netflix, you are downloading...
03:14<Supercheese>"download" is generic term for Netflix or Vimeo or torrents or whatever else
03:14<Supercheese>at least in my vocabulary
03:14<Supercheese>Hulu, etc
03:16<__ln__>in my vocabulary "download" implies that you can rewatch the same thing without downloading it again
03:22<TexasPete>thanks SuperCheese
03:22<TexasPete>byebye
03:22-!-TexasPete [~slim@host86-140-119-109.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
03:24<Supercheese>'night all
03:24-!-Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0.1/20130116073211]]
03:29<__ln__>i'd like to visit albuquerque
03:32<Eddi|zuHause>don't take a wrong turn there
03:45<dihedral>greetings
03:45<Eddi|zuHause>smallings
03:54<Celestar>~/nick Celestar
03:54<Celestar>....
03:54<Celestar>wtf?
03:54<Celestar>morning
03:54<__ln__>~rning
04:06<dihedral>Celestar, cute ;-)
04:07<@peter1138>awww
04:07<@peter1138>dihedral's got the hots :D
04:20-!-pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-079-130.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd
04:23*dihedral purrs
04:52-!-tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-92-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o]
05:00-!-cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-93-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd
05:03-!-tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd
05:03-!-mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ
05:29-!-fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-078-023-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd
05:41-!-TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: gone for 10 days; take care!]
06:11-!-Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
06:25-!-oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd
07:10<@peter1138>planetmaker, that quote for stations is wrong in openttd
07:11<@peter1138>you can of course have way more than 255 stations IDs in total
07:11<@peter1138>that's a ttdpatch limitation
07:11<@peter1138>we're "limited" to 255 station ids per station
07:17<@planetmaker>yes, peter1138 . Though IIRC it's 512?
07:18<@planetmaker>I'm about to fix that :D
07:18<@planetmaker>The quotes there are... ancient
07:18<@peter1138>don't think there is a limit
07:18<@planetmaker>or was it only 512 houses? Hm...
07:20<@peter1138>yup, no global limit
07:20<@peter1138>just 255 per station
07:21<@peter1138>256 station classes
07:22<@peter1138>doesn't appear to be a limit per class
07:24<@peter1138>i can't believe pikka's perpetrating ai cheating! ;)
07:24<@peter1138>hmm, what happens if you buy out an ai in that case? hehe
07:27-!-Pikka [~sammich@d58-106-42-20.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd
07:27<Pikka>terrible things happen
07:32<@planetmaker>:-)
07:46<Eddi|zuHause>he's spying on us!!
08:19<Eddi|zuHause>http://i.imgur.com/bjDdVgz.png
08:20-!-tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-97-68.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd
08:21-!-fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-078-023-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
08:23-!-Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd
08:26-!-tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:28-!-oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
08:29-!-Pikka [~sammich@d58-106-42-20.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd []
08:29-!-oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd
08:48<V453000>What are the first four and last two characters of &uy1o94%?: this should be &uy1?: shouldnt it
08:49-!-andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd
08:49<@peter1138>simuscape?
08:49<andythenorth>yup
08:49<@peter1138>i think the "?:" is part of the question or something utterly dumb
08:50<andythenorth>wot no pikka?
08:52<V453000>:D yeah that shit
08:52<V453000>lol yeah
08:52<V453000>that indeed worked
08:52<V453000>idiotic :)
08:52<@peter1138>the whole thing is
08:53<@peter1138>speaking of which... http://www.dolldivine.com/fashion-creator.php
08:53<Eddi|zuHause>"ICE-TD 'Aarhus' got stuck during a test run, and is now blocking the track for 1 week already"
08:54<__ln__>can we blame bjarni
08:56<andythenorth>is he here to defend himself?
08:56<andythenorth>if not, fair game
08:57-!-andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth]
08:59<Eddi|zuHause>"this ICE got refitted with an experimental fuel cell engine, and was on a long-range test run towards Munich, when it got stuck with a defect on a bogie"
09:04-!-HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A9B4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd
09:09-!-Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> osmotic.oftc.net, charm.oftc.net quits: oskari89, Noldo, Elukka, Flygon, Zeknurn, roadt, GoneWacko, Warod, kais58, ccfreak2k, (+7 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them)
09:10<@Terkhen>hello
09:11-!-Netsplit over, joins: Zeknurn, TheMask96, kais58, GoneWacko, Noldo
09:12-!-Netsplit over, joins: ccfreak2k, murr4y, oskari89, tokai|mdlx, Devroush, Elukka, roadt, Flygon, apiecux, blathijs (+2 more)
09:15<@Belugas>hello
09:28-!-andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd
09:47-!-roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.82.236] has joined #openttd
09:54-!-roadt [~roadt@60.168.81.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:59-!-ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd
10:03-!-fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-078-023-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd
10:12-!-Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has joined #openttd
10:46-!-fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-078-023-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:10-!-mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has joined #openttd
11:11-!-Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has quit [Quit: Tvel]
11:19-!-frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d5b8c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd
11:20-!-mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has quit [Quit: left.]
11:25<frosch123>http://pics.nase-bohren.de/unicorns-are-real.jpg <- ah, so unicorns rather belong into heqs than egrvts
11:38-!-oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
11:38-!-oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd
11:53-!-Superuser [~root@host86-152-172-169.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd
12:07-!-glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd
12:07-!-mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ
12:39-!-fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-078-023-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd
12:40-!-Fira [artix@server5.tonbnc.fr] has quit [Quit: Who will read this anyway ?]
12:42-!-Fira [artix@server5.tonbnc.fr] has joined #openttd
12:54-!-KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd
12:57<andythenorth>herp
12:57<andythenorth>clean python buildouts
12:57<andythenorth>virtual env
12:57<andythenorth>winner
13:08-!-Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd
13:08-!-mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ
13:09<@Alberth>moin
13:10-!-fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-078-023-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:15-!-glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:9469:6e5d:e205:155d] has joined #openttd
13:15-!-glx is now known as Guest5725
13:15-!-glx_ is now known as glx
13:15-!-TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:17-!-TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd
13:20<andythenorth>lo Alberth
13:20<@Alberth>hi andy
13:20<@peter1138>Eddi|zuHause, damn, i want openttd to look like that :p
13:21-!-Guest5725 [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:30-!-Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d083a2f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd
13:31-!-andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth]
13:41-!-Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r24941 /trunk/src/lang (3 files in 2 dirs) (2013-01-25 18:45:17 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>belarusian - 1 changes by Wowanxm
13:45<@DorpsGek>english_AU - 4 changes by mrtux
13:45<@DorpsGek>tamil - 87 changes by aswn
13:49-!-roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.82.236] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
13:51<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r24942 trunk/src/lang/korean.txt (2013-01-25 18:51:10 UTC)
13:51<@DorpsGek>-Fix: Korean again...
13:53<V453000>frosch123: speaks korean?
13:53<V453000>only korean word I know is StarCraft
13:53<V453000>I heard it translates to english as "life"
13:54-!-DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-147.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd
13:55<frosch123>nope, the correct translation is "zerg imba"
13:55<V453000>:D
13:56<frosch123>anyway, i wonder why korean was broken when dorpsgek claimed there was no update to it
13:57<frosch123>oh wait... i remember, the win compile farm compiled lang files non-determinstically
13:57<@peter1138>when it feels like it?
13:58<frosch123>it is random whether a broken language causes the win compile farm to report failure
13:58<frosch123>i guess it depends on the order tha languages are compiles
13:58<frosch123>or something like that
14:00<V453000>I think my washing machine is evil
14:00<V453000>I dont have a SINGLE pair of matching socks
14:00<V453000>while I have like endless socks
14:01<frosch123>then you have too many types of socks in the beginning
14:01<@Alberth>that was my conclusion too :)
14:02<@peter1138>why does that happen? :S
14:03<V453000>I think it is some form of teleportation we havent discovered yet
14:04-!-Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd
14:04<V453000>socks teleport between washing machines and exchange between various people
14:05<@Alberth>so you activate your teleport/cleaning device at the wrong moment perhaps?
14:05-!-andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd
14:06<V453000>yeah something like that
14:09-!-Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has joined #openttd
14:10<andythenorth>ooops
14:11*andythenorth accidentally read the logs for #tycoon
14:11<andythenorth>that caused some serious wtf
14:12<frosch123>are you feeling well?
14:12<frosch123>i am worried...
14:12<andythenorth>feel ok
14:12-!-Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd
14:12<andythenorth>maybe I don't know how ill I am?
14:12<andythenorth>could be the first sign
14:13<andythenorth>hmm
14:13<andythenorth>Ship Fever :)
14:13<andythenorth>also wtf are people still talking about 2.0 goals?
14:13<andythenorth>2.0 goal is met
14:13<andythenorth>it's time to discuss 3.0 goals
14:13<frosch123>yup, that is sure :)
14:13<frosch123>2.0 will feature a 3.0 discussion
14:13<Supercheese>Query: if I were to set a Bananas grf to max version Foo, would users who use higher than Foo not see the grf for download, but still see it if they need it for a savegame/server join?
14:14<frosch123>the max version only affects what the user can manually choose from the list
14:14<frosch123>also note that the user can also only choose the newest version manually
14:15<Supercheese>seems to work as I expected, good
14:15<frosch123>that means if the newest version does not match the ottd version, the user cannot download anything manually
14:15-!-Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-174-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd
14:15<frosch123>except via the http website ofc :)
14:15<Wolf01>hello o/
14:17<@Alberth>evenink Wolf01
14:19<V453000>#tycoon made me quite worry about these people too, when I joined it for the while I did
14:24<V453000>the stream starts in 6 minutes, but my pizza is ready now
14:24<V453000>panic, what now
14:25-!-Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit []
14:26-!-Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:30-!-flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd
14:30-!-pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd
14:31-!-pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip2.mibbit.com] has left #openttd []
14:31<andythenorth>hmm
14:31<andythenorth>GS MP?
14:32-!-cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-93-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org]
14:36<Eddi|zuHause><V453000> socks teleport between washing machines and exchange between various people <-- that is to prevent inbreeding! :p
14:42<Supercheese>Any British airship fans? http://cardington.weebly.com/save-cardington-airfield.html
14:47-!-KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd
14:53-!-Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.]
14:55<__ln__>Sacro: surely you are a fan?
14:56-!-Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd
14:58-!-Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-174-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd
15:02-!-wojteks86 [5db0e60d@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd
15:03<wojteks86>hello everyone :)
15:03<@Alberth>hi
15:03<wojteks86>hope everyone is OK and happy for the weekend ;)
15:04<@Alberth>the main problem is that the weekend is too short :(
15:05<andythenorth>weekend is too long :P
15:05<wojteks86>tell me about it
15:05<wojteks86>no! :P
15:05<wojteks86>the good thing is that Monday is payday for me
15:05<wojteks86>cant wait
15:06<@Alberth>the good news is thus you'll be richer at Monday, as you cannot spend the money this weekend :p
15:06<wojteks86>I just started translating Central European train set
15:06<wojteks86>that's true
15:06<wojteks86>:
15:06<wojteks86>:)
15:09<andythenorth>1 hr NoCarGoal?
15:09-!-HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A9B4.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
15:09<andythenorth>or should I write some newgrf or something?
15:09-!-HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A9B4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd
15:10<@Alberth>it takes an hour to set up the game, and then 1 hour to play, seems a bit too late to me
15:10<andythenorth>herm
15:10<andythenorth>the first issue is a problem eh?
15:11<wojteks86>I never played with a goal
15:11<wojteks86>never played with AI longer than 10 mins
15:11<wojteks86>never used a game script!
15:11<wojteks86>:O
15:11<@Alberth>oh dear :)
15:12<andythenorth>so
15:12<andythenorth>how can I solve this issue?
15:12<@Alberth>andythenorth: yeah, when done together with suggesting these kind of things late in the evenink, imho
15:13<andythenorth>we need a ready-to-go set of challenges
15:13<andythenorth>mariokart you don't have to build the tracks first :P
15:13<andythenorth>just play
15:13<@Alberth>+1
15:13<andythenorth>railroad tycoon 3 you pick one of about 15 scenarios
15:13<@Alberth>random!
15:13<andythenorth>each has a distinct challenge
15:13<andythenorth>we have all the bits (bananananas etc)
15:14<andythenorth>but then the rest doesn't fit
15:14<@Alberth>that is not even that important imho
15:14<@Alberth>ie the distinct challenges thingie
15:14<andythenorth>problems:
15:14<andythenorth>- we use nightly, which means every player has to get it, and server has to be upgraded
15:14<andythenorth>- we sometimes use non-banananas newgrfs
15:15<andythenorth>- there are too many settings, in too many places
15:15<andythenorth>- to make GS playable, sometimes a whole bunch of newgrf parameters have to be set
15:16<andythenorth>- to get a decent map, have to faff with terrain generator
15:16<andythenorth>- to get a decent save, have to have a decent map AND have a nice GS challenge from those randomly available
15:16<@Alberth>decent maps can be pre-created imho
15:16<andythenorth>none of these seem hard to solve in isolation :)
15:17-!-ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:17<@Alberth>none of them is, it just takes some time to arrange everything
15:18<andythenorth>then a save has to be uploaded somewhere
15:18<andythenorth>and someone has to rcon the server until the save is working
15:20<andythenorth>hmm
15:21<andythenorth>@seen zu
15:21<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: I have not seen zu.
15:21<andythenorth>@seen zuu
15:21<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: zuu was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 23 hours, 50 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <Zuu> NGC3982: yes, it was featured in Hipp! Hipp!.
15:22<andythenorth>wondering about configuring a GS via signs
15:22<andythenorth>then we could keep playing the same map / newgrf list, but raising / varying the goals
15:23<andythenorth>frosch123: could SV be configured via signs?
15:24<frosch123>you know, there is a configure gui
15:24<@Alberth>in principle, yes, I think
15:24<andythenorth>frosch123: that can't be changed in a savegame though?
15:25<andythenorth>I am just thinking make a few nice maps
15:25<andythenorth>pick one to play as a save
15:25<andythenorth>when we get gold, increase the goal / change the goal
15:25<frosch123>http://nogo.openttd.org/api/trunk/classGSInfo.html#83889421ed67d81486613a92bd834bd1a987c6d3d65773cfc0d3a3e0e1a82b3b
15:26<andythenorth>^^ when we get gold NEXT TIME change the goal
15:26<andythenorth>run a high scores o_O
15:26-!-Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:26<frosch123>anyway, i would guess playing the same map is boring
15:27<frosch123>unless you play on 2kx2k and start in a different place
15:27<andythenorth>more or less boring than making a map?
15:27<andythenorth>playing > making maps
15:27<frosch123>(well, you might be unable to find the same place again :p)
15:27<andythenorth>there are some RT3 challenges I played for weeks
15:27<andythenorth>until I won them :P
15:29<@Alberth>it may already help a lot when the decisions are made beforehand, and written down in some form
15:30*Alberth ponders a coopetition at the forum
15:31<@Alberth>you may enter the competition if you also supply a map we can play :)
15:31<@Alberth>s/we/all players/
15:31<andythenorth>format?
15:31<andythenorth>scenario? Save?
15:32<@Alberth>doesn't really matter imho
15:32-!-Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:34-!-HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6D121.versanet.de] has joined #openttd
15:39-!-TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:40-!-HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A9B4.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:41<Sacro>__ln__: because i'm british?
15:43<__ln__>Sacro: no, because you like TTD.
15:43*andythenorth needs an assistant
15:43<andythenorth>for nml purposes
15:43-!-wojteks86 [5db0e60d@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]
15:45-!-TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd
15:46<andythenorth>need to pass a value as substring to a string
15:46<andythenorth>which always trips me up
15:47<andythenorth>specifically
15:47<andythenorth>STR_PRIMARY_PRODUCTION_1X :{BLACK}Current production: {YELLOW}normal{}{}{BLACK}To double production deliver 30 crates supplies within three months (or 120 crates for quadruple production)
15:47<andythenorth>I want to make '30' and '120' variables
15:47<andythenorth>possibly compile time, possibly based on a parameter
15:47<andythenorth>not sure yet
15:53<Eddi|zuHause>for compile-time you need them to be strings, i.e. a STR_30:30 and a STR_120:120
15:54<frosch123>for compile time a preprocessor would suffice :p
15:54<Eddi|zuHause>then you put string(STR_PROD,string(STR_30),string(STR_120)) into the nml
15:54<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: yes, but it would have to preprocess the .lng file
15:55<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: for runtime/parameter you need to put the number codes ({SIGNED_BYTE} or somesuch, i don't remember them exactly) and shove the parameters into special registers at the string callback
15:56-!-Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd []
15:56<andythenorth>let's do runtime
15:56<andythenorth>because, why not eh?
15:56<andythenorth>so the values go on the text stack?
15:57<andythenorth>I haven't upgraded myself to do this in nml yet :P
15:57<andythenorth>I can do it nfo
15:57<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: there's an example somewhere buried in CETS
15:58<Eddi|zuHause>with the railtype stuff
15:58<andythenorth>I think there are examples in BANDIT :P
15:58<andythenorth>maybe I should look
15:58<Eddi|zuHause>fwiw, there's also an example in the wiki :p
15:58<andythenorth>he
15:58<@peter1138>heh, everyone posts 2x screenshots these days :p
15:58<andythenorth>truing to outsource my coding :P
15:58<andythenorth>trying *
15:59<andythenorth>falling asleep into my laptop :P
16:00<frosch123>peter1138: they also did in the past, but needed to scale manually
16:00<@peter1138>heh
16:00<@peter1138>also, every time i check online content there's another bloody NUTS update! :p
16:00<frosch123>:p
16:00<@peter1138>we should ban too many changes per week
16:00<@peter1138>filling up our disks like that :p
16:00<andythenorth>he's trying to get his download count up :P
16:00<Supercheese>:O
16:01<andythenorth>peter1138: pay-per-upload :P
16:01<@peter1138>pay-per-download
16:01<andythenorth>both
16:01<@peter1138>(for the uploader)
16:01<Supercheese>O_o
16:01<andythenorth>charge both ends
16:01<andythenorth>like Sky
16:02<andythenorth>for which I pay to get Nick JR, but still have to watch ads
16:02<andythenorth>which the toddler hates
16:02*frosch123 proposes to charge peter1138 for every random trigger triggering
16:02<@peter1138>frosch123, should be safe as nobody can use them properly
16:02<andythenorth>hrm
16:02<andythenorth>can I just {STRING}?
16:02<frosch123>yeah, you're lucky :p
16:03<@peter1138>i think i should update le server
16:03<frosch123>andythenorth: you know the difference of numbers and strings? :)
16:03<andythenorth>yeah
16:03<frosch123>don't use script languages then :p
16:03<frosch123>they usually do not :p
16:04<andythenorth>why else does actionscript need '===' :P
16:04<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: i heard that below a certain age, kids are unable to tell program and commercials apart
16:04<andythenorth>he knows what's Dora and what's not Dora
16:04<andythenorth>and he knows that 'not Dora' is called adverts
16:04<andythenorth>so every 10 minutes "I don't like adverts"
16:04<andythenorth>has anyone written my code for me yet?
16:05<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: then record the show, cut the commercials out, and show him that :)
16:05<andythenorth>can't figure out series link :P
16:05<andythenorth>we have some stuff on disk that way :P
16:05<andythenorth>remote controls baffle me
16:05<andythenorth>where's the command line?
16:05<andythenorth>also...off topic: how do I get something onto the text stack?
16:06<andythenorth>it used to be a specific set of registers
16:06<@peter1138>hmm, openttd's so big these days
16:06<Sacro>HMM
16:06<Sacro>grr
16:06<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: it still is
16:06<@peter1138>can't we revert to a pre-C++ version?
16:06<@peter1138>sacro!
16:06<Sacro>why is this double headed train not double the power of two singles :(
16:07<Supercheese>Can, yes. Want to?
16:07<andythenorth>Sacro: which grf?
16:07<Eddi|zuHause>peter1138: svn up -r7000?
16:07<@peter1138>missing a few features...
16:07<Sacro>andythenorth: ukrs2
16:07<Sacro>peter1138: not a bad rev
16:07<Sacro>it's no miniin though :(
16:08<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: oh, i believe the custom_tags thingie of nml does not require a custom preprocessing step
16:08<frosch123>for compile time stuff in strings
16:08<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: not sure what that does
16:08<andythenorth>I have no idea how to use STORE_TEMP in a switch :P
16:09<andythenorth>I can do it in my existing switch, without chaining to another?
16:09<andythenorth>some magic
16:09<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: yes, put it in [] in the evaluation term, or so
16:09<frosch123>andythenorth: did you try whether you could just do string(STR_BLA, 30) ?
16:09<andythenorth>I used to know this stuff once :P
16:09<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: i think it doesn't work with numbers
16:10<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: and especially it doesn't work with units
16:10<frosch123>that only matters for the string code
16:10<andythenorth>on the plus side, someone fixed all my pythongs
16:10<andythenorth>pythons *
16:11<frosch123>http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Language_files <- anyway, there's a example in the specs
16:11<Supercheese>Fixed pythons, no more snake breeding eh?
16:18<andythenorth>hmm
16:18<andythenorth>so string(STR_BLA, 30) works fine
16:18<andythenorth>I wonder about string(STR_BLA, 30, 120)?
16:18<andythenorth>I could read the spec
16:18<andythenorth>but my brain is mush
16:21<@peter1138>server's back up, r24942
16:22<andythenorth>herp, strings work :O
16:22<andythenorth>blearch, now I have to update all the translations :X
16:22<Supercheese>The physicists were right, string theory worked!
16:22<@peter1138>should i bother fixing pbs reservations on bridge ends?
16:23<@peter1138>(and probably tunnel ends)
16:23<frosch123>what's broken?
16:23<@peter1138>it ignores newgrf railtypes
16:24<@peter1138>just visual, sorry :p
16:24<andythenorth>oh good
16:24<andythenorth>translations are outdated
16:24<andythenorth>less work
16:25<andythenorth>btw, the OS X nightly works on 10.7, website suggests otherwise
16:25<@peter1138>works on your 10.7 perhaps
16:25<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: it may "work", but it's not officially supported
16:25<@peter1138>hmm, i need a fast mail train
16:26<andythenorth>Eddi|zuHause: fair point
16:26<Eddi|zuHause>peter1138: TGV Postal
16:26<@peter1138>ukrs2 + addons
16:26<Supercheese>vacuum tube :D
16:26<andythenorth>occasionally the scroll goes nuts, and I think full screen is dead
16:26<andythenorth>otherwise no known issues for m
16:26<andythenorth>me
16:27-!-Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd
16:27<@peter1138>so other than it being broken, it's fine?
16:27<Eddi|zuHause>i've heard scroll going nuts on windows systems as well
16:27<Supercheese>and full screen is issue-prone too
16:28<Eddi|zuHause>maybe just disable fullscreen on "unsupported" systems?
16:29<@peter1138>it works for some?
16:29<__ln__>doesn't fullscreen work fine when you don't try the "real" fullscreen but Apple's greatest invention, fullscreen application?
16:29<@peter1138>probably crappy drivers that need 32bpp mode or somesuch
16:29<Eddi|zuHause>peter1138: screw them :)
16:29<Eddi|zuHause>peter1138: OSX already defaults to 32bpp afair
16:29<andythenorth>yes
16:30<andythenorth>and no Apple fullscreen not available
16:30<andythenorth>the scroll issue looks like occasionally not stopping a map drag on mouseup
16:30<andythenorth>so the map just keeps moving
16:31<@peter1138>cool
16:31<@peter1138>well i'm glad we have a load of OS X users interested in fixing it
16:32<andythenorth>it's a marginal annoyance
16:33<andythenorth>it's 1s to fix
16:33*Rubidium awaits the "it's so tiny" bug report for those retina screens
16:33<andythenorth>he
16:33<andythenorth>the 'fix' being to switch away from ottd and back again :P
16:33<Rubidium>what is 1s to fix?
16:33<andythenorth>the map failing to stop moving on release-drag
16:33<frosch123>doesn't "retina" already say that the users need good eyes?
16:33<andythenorth>retina is fricking insane
16:33<andythenorth>I've seen one
16:34<andythenorth>ugh
16:34<@peter1138>Rubidium, by default everything is doubled up, i guess openttd will be too
16:34<andythenorth>flherne is winning :(
16:34<@peter1138>define winning?
16:34<@peter1138>well, ignoring the league table :p
16:34<@peter1138>and income
16:34<Rubidium>peter1138: I think OpenTTD is too old for OS X to do anything automatically about it ;)
16:35<@peter1138>and value... :p
16:35<@peter1138>Rubidium, yeah, don't we all have to use opengl these days?
16:35<@peter1138>or was that nvidia...
16:36<andythenorth>peter1138: he's not winning at 'amusing'
16:36<andythenorth>or 'needlessly convoluted'
16:36<andythenorth>one day, 'production last month' will die for primary industries
16:37<andythenorth>I don't know what's better
16:37<andythenorth>but it doesn't fit my industry set :P
16:37-!-Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has quit [Quit: Tvel]
16:46<@peter1138>what happened to the nice "future trains" in ukrs2? :S
16:47<Supercheese>you mean UKRS1
16:47<Supercheese>they never made it to 2
16:47<@peter1138>yeah they were in 1
16:47<@peter1138>i know that
16:47<Supercheese>Anywa, I dunno what happened
16:48<Supercheese>other than Pikka didn't include them, which is evident
16:50<andythenorth>hrm
16:50<andythenorth>what do I replace all these small old trains with?
16:50<andythenorth>there's nothing
16:50<@peter1138>EXACTLY
16:51<@peter1138>well there is
16:51<@peter1138>but nothing better
16:51<andythenorth>trucks?
16:52<@peter1138>hmm, where did i put that recolouring patch :p
16:52<@peter1138>hmm, should i ...
16:52<@peter1138>make an old train yard?
16:53<@peter1138>be nice if you could force parts to be unpowered, heh
16:53<@peter1138>decommission engine -> converts to a wagon, heh
17:02<Eddi|zuHause>peter1138: working vehicles (e.g. snowploughs) :p
17:02<@peter1138>?
17:03<Eddi|zuHause>several tenders from disused steam engines were rebuilt into snowploughs
17:04<@peter1138>hmm
17:04<@peter1138>ah right
17:04<@peter1138>my ships never service cos their reliability never goes below 50%
17:04<@peter1138>i blame FISH
17:09<andythenorth>me too
17:09<andythenorth>what should I do about it? :P
17:11<@peter1138>eat it
17:13<andythenorth>crunchy
17:14<andythenorth>oops
17:15<@peter1138>?
17:16<@peter1138>hmm, my message history is spammed with very old trains messages
17:16<@peter1138>isn't that turnoffable?
17:17<Supercheese>news setting
17:17<@peter1138>nope
17:20<andythenorth>changing newgrf on a running game
17:20<andythenorth>is fine
17:20<andythenorth>what's the fuss :P
17:21<andythenorth>as long as it's the fricking same newgrf :P
17:21<andythenorth>and you didn't change anything that makes it go boom
17:21<andythenorth>hmm
17:21<andythenorth>peter1138: this game we were playing, is better with 'new' FIRS :P
17:22<@peter1138>i just use whatever you put on bananas :p
17:22<andythenorth>yeah, this isn't even committed yet
17:22<andythenorth>I'm testing a change locally
17:22<@peter1138>action 7 to skip it all? :p
17:23<andythenorth>that will go well
17:23<andythenorth>reduced bug reports
17:24<andythenorth>I tweaked supply requirements
17:24<andythenorth>everything is now gung ho
17:24<andythenorth>except your dairy farms
17:24<andythenorth>you should get a new supply delivery firm for those
17:29-!-Superuser2 [~root@host86-152-172-169.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd
17:31-!-Superuser2 [~root@host86-152-172-169.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit []
17:40-!-andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth]
18:24<Eddi|zuHause>peter1138: you can only disable showing of news messages, but they are always put in the history
18:25<Eddi|zuHause>(it worked this way since TTO)
18:25<Eddi|zuHause>hm... my mouse blinks red...
18:25<Eddi|zuHause>i think it explodes soon
18:27<Supercheese>That's just the hidden microphone recording everything
18:27<Supercheese>:P
18:28<frosch123>try to feed it to the cats
18:32<@Terkhen>good night
18:33-!-flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving]
18:52-!-Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d083a2f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur]
18:58-!-Celestar_ [~vici@mnch-5d85559c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd
19:05-!-Celestar [~vici@mnch-5d85661a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:11-!-cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-93-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd
19:18-!-KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
19:34<@peter1138>hurr
19:40-!-KritiK_ [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd
19:45-!-KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:45-!-KritiK_ is now known as KritiK
19:49<Wolf01>'night
19:49-!-Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.]
19:50-!-frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d5b8c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:53-!-Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit []
20:10-!-KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
20:21-!-cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-93-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org]
20:22-!-oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit []
20:22-!-Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-42-20.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd
20:22<Pikka>isn't it
20:22<Supercheese>It definitely isn't not
20:24-!-HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6D121.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
20:30-!-Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd
20:32-!-Dr_Tan [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
21:26-!-glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !]
21:32-!-pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-079-130.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit []
21:47-!-Superuser [~root@host86-152-172-169.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
22:06-!-Theiket [b0cd0ec8@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd
22:07<Theiket>Can anyone tell me when I can buy shares in a company?
22:07<Supercheese>The company has to be a few years old first
22:07<Supercheese>Six years it seems
22:07<Theiket>What if the company is over a decade old?
22:08<Supercheese>Is it a multiplayer game?
22:08<Theiket>Yes
22:08<Supercheese>I think share buying is singleplayer only
22:08<Supercheese>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=64021&p=1061973#p1061973
22:08<Theiket>Damn. I might take a look at the settings and see if I can change anything.
22:09<Theiket>Thanks
22:09<Supercheese>you're welcome
22:09-!-Theiket [b0cd0ec8@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit []
22:30-!-Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd
22:42-!-roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.82.236] has joined #openttd
23:26<Supercheese>Heh, DMU autorefit to fruit, load fruit, drop off fruit, autorefit to passengers, load passengers...
23:27<Supercheese>I guess they just stick the crates of fruit on the seats :P
---Logclosed Sat Jan 26 00:00:21 2013