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---Logopened Thu Feb 21 00:00:57 2013
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00:33<MinchinWeb>this is the line I missed -> <- "air_drag_coefficient: The default value is approximately (8 / max_speed), with max_speed in km/h, clamped to the range 0.004 .. 0.75."
00:34<MinchinWeb>so setting the air drag coefficient from 0.7 to 0.049 and everything works the way I expected!!
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03:27<__ln__>hello humans, dwarves, half-elven and orcs.
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03:53<Eddi|zuHause>you certainly missed the wizards
04:00<__ln__>i intentionally left out some groups to get them to stand up and demand their rights
04:00<andythenorth>wizards of oz
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05:31<jonty-comp>OH NOES
05:32<jonty-comp>only one week left for the Transport Tycoon Hall of Fame entries
05:41<Pikka>jonty-comp: set up a bot to nominate every account on the forum.
05:43<@peter1138>hmm, anyone use an xmpp client on windows?
05:43<jonty-comp>INSERT INTO private_messages (to,from,message) VALUES ('simuscape team',(SELECT username, weburl FROM users));
05:44<@peter1138>mind you i suppose windows users don't give a shit about crap like skype
05:44<jonty-comp>skype is xmpp?
05:45<__ln__>jonty-comp: that subselect can't be of compatible type, can it?
05:45<jonty-comp>i wasn't really thinking about it :p
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06:13<+michi_cc>peter1138: Pidgin?
06:28<dihedral>i did not know you had a cloak :-P
06:29<@peter1138>michi_cc, yeah seems reasonable
06:30<@peter1138>what's that?
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06:31<dihedral>apparently you did not know either :-P
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09:18<DanMacK>Hey all
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13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r25034 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2013-02-21 18:45:18 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>croatian - 4 changes by VoyagerOne
13:45<@DorpsGek>polish - 2 changes by wojteks86
13:45<@DorpsGek>swedish - 38 changes by Joel_A
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14:10<@peter1138>quite quiet
14:13<@Belugas>you can almost hear the moons dancing
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16:41<Wolf01>'night all
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17:17<Bad_Brett>hello there
17:17<Supercheese>Buenos dias
17:18<Supercheese>Ooh, 3 exclamation marks
17:18<Bad_Brett>oh yes
17:18<Bad_Brett>always one or three
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17:19<Bad_Brett>so what are you up to?
17:19<Supercheese>homework for university courses
17:19<Supercheese>Computational fluid dynamics, heat transfer
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17:21<Bad_Brett>oh man that sucks
17:22<Bad_Brett>so boring
17:23<Supercheese>well I like it better than literature, rhetoric, and the like
17:23<Bad_Brett>if you put it that way...
17:23<Supercheese>not as much fun as making newgrfs, of course :P
17:25<Bad_Brett>that's why i picked product realization... it was a bit like creating real world newgrfs :)
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17:26<Bad_Brett>i still had to learn those boring thermodynamics though
17:26<Supercheese>Thermo was actually fun
17:27<Supercheese>I had an awesome professor, though
17:27<Bad_Brett>i woudln't know... don't think i ever met him :P
17:28<Bad_Brett>my professor that is
17:29<Bad_Brett>i think I went to 1/2 lecture during the entire course... i left after the first 45 minuters in rage because there weren't enough seats available :P
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17:35<Bad_Brett>a question to the eye-candy expert: have you had any problems with the game crashing when you add TONS of animations?
17:36<Supercheese>hmm, define tons
17:36<Supercheese>I've run a few dozen seagulls without issue
17:36<Supercheese>I don't think I've tested hundreds
17:36<Supercheese>I can do that now
17:37<Bad_Brett>no no, focus on your homework
17:37<Supercheese>hahaha, it's so loud
17:38<Supercheese>seagulls caw caw cawing like mad
17:39<Supercheese>Very Hitchcock-ian
17:39<Supercheese>filled the screen with seagulls
17:39<Supercheese>seems to be holding up just fine
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17:42<Bad_Brett>i think i set the refresh_multiplier = 1 and triggered a 32bpp animation on basically every single house on the map when it crashed
17:43<Bad_Brett>it was more of a failed experiment i guess :p
17:43<Supercheese>Yeah, that sounds more demanding than just lots of seagulls
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17:44<Bad_Brett>not to mention the cacaphony of hammers the other day... far worse than some screaming birds
17:49<Eddi|zuHause><Bad_Brett> always one or three <-- unless it's an iGRF
17:49<@planetmaker>Bad_Brett, as usual with crashes: open a ticket, provide the necessary files and we can see why...
17:50<Bad_Brett>alright, I will do that the next time!
17:50<@planetmaker>why next?
17:50<@planetmaker>you don't want this crash seen fixed which you got?
17:51<@Terkhen>good night
17:55<Bad_Brett>i thought you could only see the log from the most recent crash... unfortunately i crashed the game again after that because i accidently used stereo sound effects
17:57<@planetmaker>unless you use modified OpenTTD... isn't that worth reporting either?
17:59<Bad_Brett>well... maybe. i guess i took for granted that this was a known issue since the documentation clearly states that all wav files must be in mono
18:00<Supercheese>I think the philosophy is still "report every time unmodified OTTD crashes"
18:00<Supercheese>unless you find an identical crash report, of course
18:00<Supercheese>has already been reported*
18:00<Eddi|zuHause>you can also report modified openttd crashing, but people may go mad :p
18:01<Supercheese>Unmodified OTTD crashes so infrequently it's a big-ish deal when it does
18:01<@planetmaker>hehe :-)
18:01<Bad_Brett>well i have eddi's extra movement patch applied, does that matter?
18:01<@planetmaker>yes. It's not supposed to crash under whatever circumstances
18:01<Supercheese>patchpacks, well... crashes are not uncommon :P
18:01<Eddi|zuHause>Bad_Brett: i don't think it should :)
18:01<@planetmaker>"movement patch"?
18:02<Supercheese>enhanced substeps
18:02<Supercheese>4x zoom smoother motion
18:02<Eddi|zuHause>it's a one-liner opening the openttd "progress" variable to newgrfs
18:03<Eddi|zuHause>it's documented in the "inofficial var 80+ specs", but some people think it goes too deep into the internals or something
18:03<Eddi|zuHause>it's on flyspray somewhere
18:04<@planetmaker>I see... likely unrelated to either
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18:05<Bad_Brett>i think so to
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18:06<kausara>hi all
18:07<Bad_Brett>hi kausara
18:08<kausara>hw 'r u?
18:09<@planetmaker>hi. But I have strong difficulties to decipher l33t speak. /me points at topic
18:10<kausara>what the topic now?
18:10<@planetmaker>@topic get -3
18:10<@DorpsGek>planetmaker: English only
18:10<@planetmaker>@topic get
18:10<@DorpsGek>planetmaker: topic get [<channel>] <number>
18:11<kausara>i'm sorry i dont know it, couse im new user.
18:11<@planetmaker>Well, your IRC client might show. But nvm... :-)
18:11<@planetmaker>and welcome
18:12<Supercheese>Whoah, negative topic indices
18:12<@planetmaker>counting from back, Supercheese :-)
18:12<Supercheese>never would have guessed
18:13<Supercheese>easier for accessing the latter sections than having to count forward
18:14<Eddi|zuHause>Supercheese: it's the way python works...
18:14<Eddi|zuHause>list[-1] gets you the last entry
18:14<Supercheese>I don't use Python much
18:14<Supercheese>makes sense though
18:15<Eddi|zuHause>and list[-10:] gets you the last 10 entries
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18:16<Eddi|zuHause>(like list[3:5] gets you the 3rd and 4th entry)
18:17<Eddi|zuHause>(ranges are inclusive at the beginning and exclusive at the end)
18:26<@planetmaker>that's in my eyes a stupid concept
18:27<Eddi|zuHause>it makes a lot of sense, actually
18:28<Eddi|zuHause>of course there are cases where it's not wanted
18:28<Eddi|zuHause>but in many more complex cases this makes things easier
18:29<Bad_Brett>it sounds rather strange to me
18:29<Eddi|zuHause>what is especially an advantage is that len(list[a:b]) = b-a
18:29<Bad_Brett>ah i see
18:30<Eddi|zuHause>also list[a:b]+list[b:c] = list[a:c]
18:30<Bad_Brett>instead of len(list[a:b]) = b-a+1?
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18:41<Bad_Brett>a question: is anyone here actually listening to the in-game music when you play?
18:43<Supercheese>I don't use the in-game music player
18:43<Supercheese>I run Winamp playing the TTD soundtrack
18:44<Supercheese>or TTD remixes
18:44<Eddi|zuHause>i got bored of the ingame music about 15 years ago :)
18:44<jonty-comp>has anyone made a TTD theme dubstep remix yet
18:44<Supercheese><3 Broomhall
18:44<jonty-comp>because if not why not
18:44<MinchinWeb>The music is one of my favorite parts of the game... it's what makes it feel like TTD!
18:45<Eddi|zuHause>it's bad enough that it's still playing in my head on its own after all these years :p
18:47<Supercheese>I can probably sing every song by heart @_@
18:47<Supercheese>A Capella TTD
18:47<Supercheese>that would be fun
18:50<Bad_Brett>well i'm gonna do a music pack anyway and pray that someone will use it :P
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18:52<jonty-comp>whatever happened to that patch to play vorbis files
18:52<jonty-comp>that was awesome
18:53<Bad_Brett>was that owen's patch?
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18:53<Supercheese>"patch to play vorbis files" = run Winamp in background :P
18:54<jonty-comp>i think it was actually
18:55<jonty-comp>i suppose ideally you'd use gstreamer
18:56<Bad_Brett>i remember having a few fights at the forums over this... people had rather weird reasons to dislike it... "it's resource hogging", "it would ruin the 90's feeling" and so on
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18:57<Bad_Brett>these argument were of course just plain stupid, since a vorbis player should require less CPU/memory usage and all midi-files can of course be saved as ogg as well
18:57<jonty-comp>well now 32bpp is in both those argumenta are stupid
18:58<jonty-comp>i'll try and remember to look for it tomorrow
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18:59<Bad_Brett>yeah, i remember upsetting people because i asked for the _option_ to add curved tracks... they told me to play Locomotion instead :P
19:00<Bad_Brett>anyways, things have gotten really exciting since NML was introduced
19:00<Bad_Brett>now there are endless possibilities even for n00bs like me :)
19:01<jonty-comp>pfft, i used to use grfmaker
19:01<jonty-comp>pity that got abandoned
19:05<Bad_Brett>i never understood it
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19:13<DaveW2>i've made a small error.
19:13<DaveW2>can anyone assist?
19:14<Supercheese>explain the problem, perhaps someone can
19:14<DaveW2>need a dev i think. i've uploaded something to bananas in error.
19:15<DaveW2>wanted to upload a couple of files that mph had basically made open source ... bored of getting requests about each grf.
19:15<DaveW2>anyway, whether i should have done that or not... i've uploaded the wrong file with the wrong description
19:18<DaveW2>i think i've corrected it now - so that one is right, but now i can't upload the second.
19:20<DaveW2>actually i've decided i only want to upload that one... so it doesn't matter. forget i said anything haha
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19:21<jonty-comp>hi dave, bye dave
19:37<Bad_Brett>man i'm beginning to feel a bit like frankenstein
19:38<Bad_Brett>i scream "it's aliiiiive" every time i get things working
19:47<Rhamphoryncus_>Bad_Brett: I thought every programmer did that..
19:48<Bad_Brett>haha yeah probably
19:50<Eddi|zuHause>i probably did that more than a few times
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20:24<Bad_Brett>have there been any discussions lately about adding nml support for stations?
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20:54<Supercheese>Depends on how you qualify "recently"
20:54<Supercheese>In any event, m4nfo supports stations
20:55<Supercheese>Pretty NML-like
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