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| 00:33 | <MinchinWeb> | this is the line I missed -> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Vehicles#Train_properties <- "air_drag_coefficient: The default value is approximately (8 / max_speed), with max_speed in km/h, clamped to the range 0.004 .. 0.75." |
| 00:34 | <MinchinWeb> | so setting the air drag coefficient from 0.7 to 0.049 and everything works the way I expected!! |
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| 03:27 | <__ln__> | hello humans, dwarves, half-elven and orcs. |
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| 03:53 | <Eddi|zuHause> | you certainly missed the wizards |
| 04:00 | <__ln__> | i intentionally left out some groups to get them to stand up and demand their rights |
| 04:00 | <andythenorth> | wizards of oz |
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| 05:31 | <jonty-comp> | OH NOES |
| 05:32 | <jonty-comp> | only one week left for the Transport Tycoon Hall of Fame entries |
| 05:41 | <Pikka> | jonty-comp: set up a bot to nominate every account on the forum. |
| 05:43 | <@peter1138> | hmm, anyone use an xmpp client on windows? |
| 05:43 | <jonty-comp> | INSERT INTO private_messages (to,from,message) VALUES ('simuscape team',(SELECT username, weburl FROM users)); |
| 05:44 | <@peter1138> | mind you i suppose windows users don't give a shit about crap like skype |
| 05:44 | <jonty-comp> | skype is xmpp? |
| 05:44 | <@peter1138> | no |
| 05:45 | <__ln__> | jonty-comp: that subselect can't be of compatible type, can it? |
| 05:45 | <jonty-comp> | i wasn't really thinking about it :p |
| 05:47 | <dihedral> | oi |
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| 05:55 | <@peter1138> | hmm |
| 06:13 | <+michi_cc> | peter1138: Pidgin? |
| 06:28 | <dihedral> | i did not know you had a cloak :-P |
| 06:29 | <@peter1138> | michi_cc, yeah seems reasonable |
| 06:29 | <@peter1138> | dihedral? |
| 06:29 | <dihedral> | @###.user.oftc.net |
| 06:30 | <@peter1138> | what's that? |
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| 06:30 | <@peter1138> | hmm |
| 06:31 | <dihedral> | apparently you did not know either :-P |
| 06:31 | <@peter1138> | nope |
| 06:31 | <dihedral> | interesting |
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| 09:02 | <__ln__> | http://www.starfieldsoftware.co.uk/Games/DOS/DOS-Screenshot-Challenge.aspx |
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| 09:18 | <DanMacK> | Hey all |
| 09:19 | <@Belugas> | HEllo |
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| 12:50 | <@Terkhen> | hello |
| 12:50 | <frosch123> | hola |
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| 13:42 | <Wolf01> | hello |
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| 13:45 | <@DorpsGek> | Commit by translators :: r25034 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2013-02-21 18:45:18 UTC) |
| 13:45 | <@DorpsGek> | -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: |
| 13:45 | <@DorpsGek> | croatian - 4 changes by VoyagerOne |
| 13:45 | <@DorpsGek> | polish - 2 changes by wojteks86 |
| 13:45 | <@DorpsGek> | swedish - 38 changes by Joel_A |
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| 14:08 | <@peter1138> | quiet |
| 14:08 | <jonty-comp> | quite |
| 14:10 | <@peter1138> | quite quiet |
| 14:13 | <@Belugas> | you can almost hear the moons dancing |
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| 14:53 | <@Alberth> | moin |
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| 16:24 | <frosch123> | night |
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| 16:36 | <LordAro> | heyo |
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| 16:41 | <Wolf01> | 'night all |
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| 17:17 | <Bad_Brett> | hello there |
| 17:17 | <Supercheese> | Buenos dias |
| 17:17 | <Bad_Brett> | supercheese!!! |
| 17:18 | <Supercheese> | Ooh, 3 exclamation marks |
| 17:18 | <Bad_Brett> | oh yes |
| 17:18 | <Bad_Brett> | always one or three |
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| 17:19 | <Bad_Brett> | so what are you up to? |
| 17:19 | <Supercheese> | homework for university courses |
| 17:19 | <Supercheese> | Computational fluid dynamics, heat transfer |
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| 17:21 | <Bad_Brett> | oh man that sucks |
| 17:22 | <Bad_Brett> | so boring |
| 17:22 | <Bad_Brett> | haha |
| 17:23 | <Supercheese> | well I like it better than literature, rhetoric, and the like |
| 17:23 | <Bad_Brett> | if you put it that way... |
| 17:23 | <Supercheese> | not as much fun as making newgrfs, of course :P |
| 17:25 | <Bad_Brett> | that's why i picked product realization... it was a bit like creating real world newgrfs :) |
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| 17:26 | <Bad_Brett> | i still had to learn those boring thermodynamics though |
| 17:26 | <Bad_Brett> | hehe |
| 17:26 | <Supercheese> | Thermo was actually fun |
| 17:27 | <Supercheese> | I had an awesome professor, though |
| 17:27 | <Bad_Brett> | i woudln't know... don't think i ever met him :P |
| 17:28 | <Bad_Brett> | my professor that is |
| 17:29 | <Bad_Brett> | i think I went to 1/2 lecture during the entire course... i left after the first 45 minuters in rage because there weren't enough seats available :P |
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| 17:35 | <Bad_Brett> | a question to the eye-candy expert: have you had any problems with the game crashing when you add TONS of animations? |
| 17:36 | <Supercheese> | hmm, define tons |
| 17:36 | <Supercheese> | I've run a few dozen seagulls without issue |
| 17:36 | <Bad_Brett> | hundreds |
| 17:36 | <Supercheese> | I don't think I've tested hundreds |
| 17:36 | <Supercheese> | I can do that now |
| 17:37 | <Bad_Brett> | no no, focus on your homework |
| 17:37 | <Supercheese> | bah |
| 17:37 | <Bad_Brett> | :) |
| 17:37 | <Supercheese> | hahaha, it's so loud |
| 17:38 | <Supercheese> | seagulls caw caw cawing like mad |
| 17:39 | <Supercheese> | Very Hitchcock-ian |
| 17:39 | <Supercheese> | filled the screen with seagulls |
| 17:39 | <Supercheese> | seems to be holding up just fine |
| 17:41 | <Bad_Brett> | hahaha |
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| 17:42 | <Bad_Brett> | i think i set the refresh_multiplier = 1 and triggered a 32bpp animation on basically every single house on the map when it crashed |
| 17:43 | <Bad_Brett> | it was more of a failed experiment i guess :p |
| 17:43 | <Supercheese> | Yeah, that sounds more demanding than just lots of seagulls |
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| 17:44 | <Bad_Brett> | not to mention the cacaphony of hammers the other day... far worse than some screaming birds |
| 17:44 | <Bad_Brett> | :P |
| 17:49 | <Eddi|zuHause> | <Bad_Brett> always one or three <-- unless it's an iGRF |
| 17:49 | <@planetmaker> | Bad_Brett, as usual with crashes: open a ticket, provide the necessary files and we can see why... |
| 17:50 | <Bad_Brett> | alright, I will do that the next time! |
| 17:50 | <@planetmaker> | why next? |
| 17:50 | <@planetmaker> | you don't want this crash seen fixed which you got? |
| 17:51 | <@Terkhen> | good night |
| 17:55 | <Bad_Brett> | i thought you could only see the log from the most recent crash... unfortunately i crashed the game again after that because i accidently used stereo sound effects |
| 17:57 | <@planetmaker> | unless you use modified OpenTTD... isn't that worth reporting either? |
| 17:59 | <Bad_Brett> | well... maybe. i guess i took for granted that this was a known issue since the documentation clearly states that all wav files must be in mono |
| 18:00 | <Supercheese> | I think the philosophy is still "report every time unmodified OTTD crashes" |
| 18:00 | <Supercheese> | unless you find an identical crash report, of course |
| 18:00 | <Supercheese> | has already been reported* |
| 18:00 | <Eddi|zuHause> | you can also report modified openttd crashing, but people may go mad :p |
| 18:00 | <Supercheese> | hehe |
| 18:01 | <Supercheese> | Unmodified OTTD crashes so infrequently it's a big-ish deal when it does |
| 18:01 | <@planetmaker> | hehe :-) |
| 18:01 | <Bad_Brett> | well i have eddi's extra movement patch applied, does that matter? |
| 18:01 | <@planetmaker> | yes. It's not supposed to crash under whatever circumstances |
| 18:01 | <Supercheese> | patchpacks, well... crashes are not uncommon :P |
| 18:01 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Bad_Brett: i don't think it should :) |
| 18:01 | <@planetmaker> | "movement patch"? |
| 18:02 | <Supercheese> | enhanced substeps |
| 18:02 | <Supercheese> | 4x zoom smoother motion |
| 18:02 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it's a one-liner opening the openttd "progress" variable to newgrfs |
| 18:03 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it's documented in the "inofficial var 80+ specs", but some people think it goes too deep into the internals or something |
| 18:03 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it's on flyspray somewhere |
| 18:04 | <@planetmaker> | I see... likely unrelated to either |
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| 18:05 | <Bad_Brett> | i think so to |
| 18:05 | <Bad_Brett> | too |
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| 18:06 | <kausara> | hi all |
| 18:07 | <Bad_Brett> | hi kausara |
| 18:08 | <kausara> | hw 'r u? |
| 18:09 | <@planetmaker> | hi. But I have strong difficulties to decipher l33t speak. /me points at topic |
| 18:10 | <kausara> | what the topic now? |
| 18:10 | <@planetmaker> | @topic get -3 |
| 18:10 | <@DorpsGek> | planetmaker: English only |
| 18:10 | <@planetmaker> | @topic get |
| 18:10 | <@DorpsGek> | planetmaker: topic get [<channel>] <number> |
| 18:11 | <kausara> | i'm sorry i dont know it, couse im new user. |
| 18:11 | <@planetmaker> | Well, your IRC client might show. But nvm... :-) |
| 18:11 | <@planetmaker> | and welcome |
| 18:12 | <Supercheese> | Whoah, negative topic indices |
| 18:12 | <@planetmaker> | counting from back, Supercheese :-) |
| 18:12 | <Supercheese> | yeah |
| 18:12 | <Supercheese> | never would have guessed |
| 18:12 | <@planetmaker> | :D |
| 18:13 | <Supercheese> | easier for accessing the latter sections than having to count forward |
| 18:13 | <Supercheese> | brilliant |
| 18:14 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Supercheese: it's the way python works... |
| 18:14 | <Eddi|zuHause> | list[-1] gets you the last entry |
| 18:14 | <Supercheese> | I don't use Python much |
| 18:14 | <Supercheese> | makes sense though |
| 18:15 | <Eddi|zuHause> | and list[-10:] gets you the last 10 entries |
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| 18:16 | <Eddi|zuHause> | (like list[3:5] gets you the 3rd and 4th entry) |
| 18:17 | <Eddi|zuHause> | (ranges are inclusive at the beginning and exclusive at the end) |
| 18:26 | <@planetmaker> | that's in my eyes a stupid concept |
| 18:27 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it makes a lot of sense, actually |
| 18:28 | <Eddi|zuHause> | of course there are cases where it's not wanted |
| 18:28 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but in many more complex cases this makes things easier |
| 18:29 | <Bad_Brett> | it sounds rather strange to me |
| 18:29 | <Eddi|zuHause> | what is especially an advantage is that len(list[a:b]) = b-a |
| 18:29 | <Bad_Brett> | ah i see |
| 18:30 | <Eddi|zuHause> | also list[a:b]+list[b:c] = list[a:c] |
| 18:30 | <Bad_Brett> | instead of len(list[a:b]) = b-a+1? |
| 18:30 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yes |
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| 18:32 | <Bad_Brett> | interesting... |
| 18:41 | <Bad_Brett> | a question: is anyone here actually listening to the in-game music when you play? |
| 18:43 | <Supercheese> | I don't use the in-game music player |
| 18:43 | <Supercheese> | I run Winamp playing the TTD soundtrack |
| 18:44 | <Supercheese> | or TTD remixes |
| 18:44 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i got bored of the ingame music about 15 years ago :) |
| 18:44 | <jonty-comp> | has anyone made a TTD theme dubstep remix yet |
| 18:44 | <Supercheese> | <3 Broomhall |
| 18:44 | <jonty-comp> | because if not why not |
| 18:44 | <MinchinWeb> | The music is one of my favorite parts of the game... it's what makes it feel like TTD! |
| 18:45 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it's bad enough that it's still playing in my head on its own after all these years :p |
| 18:46 | <Bad_Brett> | haha |
| 18:47 | <Supercheese> | I can probably sing every song by heart @_@ |
| 18:47 | <Supercheese> | A Capella TTD |
| 18:47 | <Supercheese> | that would be fun |
| 18:47 | <Bad_Brett> | yeah |
| 18:50 | <Bad_Brett> | well i'm gonna do a music pack anyway and pray that someone will use it :P |
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| 18:52 | <jonty-comp> | whatever happened to that patch to play vorbis files |
| 18:52 | <jonty-comp> | that was awesome |
| 18:53 | <Bad_Brett> | was that owen's patch? |
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| 18:53 | <Supercheese> | "patch to play vorbis files" = run Winamp in background :P |
| 18:54 | <jonty-comp> | i think it was actually |
| 18:55 | <jonty-comp> | i suppose ideally you'd use gstreamer |
| 18:56 | <Bad_Brett> | i remember having a few fights at the forums over this... people had rather weird reasons to dislike it... "it's resource hogging", "it would ruin the 90's feeling" and so on |
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| 18:57 | <Bad_Brett> | these argument were of course just plain stupid, since a vorbis player should require less CPU/memory usage and all midi-files can of course be saved as ogg as well |
| 18:57 | <jonty-comp> | well now 32bpp is in both those argumenta are stupid |
| 18:58 | <jonty-comp> | *s |
| 18:58 | <jonty-comp> | i'll try and remember to look for it tomorrow |
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| 18:59 | <Bad_Brett> | yeah, i remember upsetting people because i asked for the _option_ to add curved tracks... they told me to play Locomotion instead :P |
| 19:00 | <Bad_Brett> | anyways, things have gotten really exciting since NML was introduced |
| 19:00 | <Bad_Brett> | now there are endless possibilities even for n00bs like me :) |
| 19:01 | <jonty-comp> | pfft, i used to use grfmaker |
| 19:01 | <jonty-comp> | pity that got abandoned |
| 19:05 | <Bad_Brett> | i never understood it |
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| 19:13 | <DaveW2> | i've made a small error. |
| 19:13 | <DaveW2> | can anyone assist? |
| 19:14 | <Supercheese> | explain the problem, perhaps someone can |
| 19:14 | <DaveW2> | need a dev i think. i've uploaded something to bananas in error. |
| 19:15 | <DaveW2> | wanted to upload a couple of files that mph had basically made open source ... bored of getting requests about each grf. |
| 19:15 | <DaveW2> | anyway, whether i should have done that or not... i've uploaded the wrong file with the wrong description |
| 19:18 | <DaveW2> | i think i've corrected it now - so that one is right, but now i can't upload the second. |
| 19:20 | <DaveW2> | actually i've decided i only want to upload that one... so it doesn't matter. forget i said anything haha |
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| 19:21 | <jonty-comp> | hi dave, bye dave |
| 19:37 | <Bad_Brett> | man i'm beginning to feel a bit like frankenstein |
| 19:38 | <Bad_Brett> | i scream "it's aliiiiive" every time i get things working |
| 19:47 | <Rhamphoryncus_> | Bad_Brett: I thought every programmer did that.. |
| 19:48 | <Bad_Brett> | haha yeah probably |
| 19:50 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i probably did that more than a few times |
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| 20:24 | <Bad_Brett> | have there been any discussions lately about adding nml support for stations? |
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| 20:54 | <Supercheese> | Depends on how you qualify "recently" |
| 20:54 | <Supercheese> | In any event, m4nfo supports stations |
| 20:54 | <Supercheese> | http://www.ttdpatch.de/grfspecs/m4nfoManual/index.html |
| 20:55 | <Supercheese> | Pretty NML-like |
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