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02:51<dihedral>hello
02:55<@peter1138>is it me you're looking for
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03:15<Supercheese>good night
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04:36<dihedral><peter1138> is it me you're looking for <- always sweety!
04:38<@peter1138>;D
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07:34<andythenorth>bonjour and apples
07:34<andythenorth>hmm no pikka
07:34<andythenorth>can I have an industry called "Orchard and Piggery" ?
07:34<andythenorth>Or do I have to call it 'Fruit and Animal Farm" :P
07:35<Pinkbeast>"Pears before Swine"
07:37<Pinkbeast>It could have a loud ambient oinking noise which would give it away.
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07:43<goodger>also a man with a thick westcountry accent going "agh, get those pigs out of the fockin orchard"
07:45<andythenorth>he's irish?
07:46<andythenorth>also, if the pigs aren't in the orchard, what do they eat? :)
07:46<goodger>pig food!
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07:46<andythenorth>http://www.somersetmade.co.uk/oldscrump/ciderfarms/orchardpig.php
07:47<goodger>that's a tourist attraction ;)
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07:48<goodger>though iirc an apple does make a fine treat for your average pig
07:48<andythenorth>this place is awesome http://wilkinscider.com
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07:48<goodger>ooh, camra winner
07:49<andythenorth>it comes with bits in it
07:49<goodger>that is a prerequisite
07:49<goodger>camra does not issue awards to any drink made using technology developed since 1740
07:54<@peter1138>mm camra
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08:03*Sacro stalks goodger
08:03<goodger>o.o
08:04<Sacro>git orrf my channels
08:04<goodger>no u
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08:45<__ln__>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-21654930
08:53<@planetmaker>lol
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08:56<avdg>nananana nananana
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09:08<@peter1138>wut
09:10<andythenorth>wut wut
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09:29<V453000>lol what, andythenorth http://www.gizmag.com/next-gen-ships-sails-lower-fuel-use/22289/
09:30<andythenorth>heave ho
09:30<Celestar>yo
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09:45<@planetmaker>sure, why not, V453000 :-)
09:46<V453000>planetmaker: it isnt in FISH so it cant happen
09:46<V453000>period :P
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09:48<@planetmaker>oh. You surely have a point there which I missed. Let's lobby for it to happen :D
09:49<@planetmaker>NewGRF people usually don't dare to create a vision of the future sadly :-(
09:49<goodger>that may be because visions of the future look very silly when the future arrives
09:51<goodger>at the end of the 19th century, someone thought we'd all be driving around in vacuum-powered cars through underground motorways
09:52<@planetmaker>Of course. But the heck - who cares? By when the future arrives you can have your NewGRF updated by long as well ;-)
09:55<V453000>ha
09:55<V453000>I also think people are missing the vision of wtf
09:56<andythenorth>+1
09:56<andythenorth>also not enough castles
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10:23<andythenorth>hmm
10:23<andythenorth>"meat packer" -> "sausage factory"
10:24<V453000>more like "whatever masher" -> sausage factory? :P
10:24<goodger>horse castrator
10:24<goodger>more testicles mean more iron
10:25<V453000>https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20419525/mayhem.png andythenorth score so far? :D
10:25<andythenorth>260
10:25<V453000>not bad
10:25<andythenorth>you need to give them swimming arms
10:25<V453000>:DD omfg
10:26<andythenorth>like this train http://cdn.static.ovimg.com/episode/602251.jpg
10:26<andythenorth>but a ship
10:26<andythenorth>http://s4.hubimg.com/u/4060239_f496.jpg
10:26<andythenorth>or make them animals
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10:27<goodger>that is surprisingly creepy
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10:28<andythenorth>V453000: http://elainemeinelsupkis.typepad.com/free_trade/images/2007/11/11/whale_and_ship_by_brian_robb.jpg
10:29<andythenorth>V453000: http://onlyhdwallpapers.com/wallpaper/whaleship_desktop_1500x1272_wallpaper-271286.jpg
10:29<goodger>nothing like enslaving a large mammal
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10:29<andythenorth>http://www.questions.gr.jp/ogre/e_space/Images/Whaleship.jpg
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10:31<supermop>hi
10:34<V453000>ok
10:34<V453000>dont call me insane ever again
10:35<supermop>i will try my best to avoid it V453000
10:35<V453000>I was poiting at andy
10:35<V453000>:P
10:35<goodger>there is something profoundly warped about the type of mind that goes into children's television
10:35<V453000>these people have to be seriously "warped"
10:36<andythenorth>orly? o_O
10:36<andythenorth>I don't make children's TV
10:36<andythenorth>I do have children
10:36<andythenorth>I did make this http://www.dudecorp.com/feedback
10:36<andythenorth>not alone :P
10:36<andythenorth>also
10:36<andythenorth>gtg, bbl
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11:10<Ristovski>I hate the weirdly twisted roads
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12:30<andythenorth>"meat packer" / "pasty factory" /s ?
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12:36<SpComb>vQ8EOknXug==
12:39<V453000>asdf
12:40*NGC3982 puts weirdly twisted stuff in V453000
12:40<V453000>I wonder what that is
12:41<Eddi|zuHause>well you could try to base64-decode it :)
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12:46<V453000>I was more interested about the twisted stuff than the ojůadsgfhg thing
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12:49<SpComb>you could base64-decode the twisted stuff
12:50<SpComb>Áè«v\­Â+-yÛ-¹÷
12:51<@Terkhen>hello
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13:17<Matulla>hi im in a little trouble i genrated a new game and played nice but now i got a probleme there is a water well right beside a town that needs water
13:19<NGC3982>Matulla: That should not really be a problem.
13:19<Matulla>and next town is also water reciving now i got fear if i get 2 towns inside the station water well it might explode some time to one town
13:20<Pinkbeast>Towns never merge into one town, if that's what you're asking.
13:20<V453000>they will both explode with a huge 3D voxel explosion sooner or laret
13:20<Matulla>NGC3982: did you see it in your telescope ? http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/490404main_starbirth-pinwheel-670.jpg
13:21<Matulla>O.O B)
13:22<Matulla>ok then one town station loads the water and anload it to the other or does it back and forth automati
13:22<Matulla>il try out
13:22<Matulla>NGC3982: i got a C14 here 25m away
13:23<Matulla>Germany
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13:24<NGC3982>Nice. :-)
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13:36<Wolf01>hi :)
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13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r25063 /trunk/src/lang (8 files) (2013-03-04 18:45:41 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>afrikaans - 71 changes by ewaldhorn
13:45<@DorpsGek>belarusian - 3 changes by KorneySan
13:46<@DorpsGek>catalan - 2 changes by arnau
13:46<@DorpsGek>italian - 2 changes by lorenzodv
13:46<@DorpsGek>norwegian_bokmal - 5 changes by Tinman, bjelleklang
13:46<@DorpsGek>norwegian_nynorsk - 1 changes by bjelleklang
13:46<@DorpsGek>russian - 3 changes by KorneySan, Lone_Wolf
13:46<@DorpsGek>vietnamese - 3 changes by nglekhoi
13:51<Sacro>Mmm, pornographic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_exyKhgnRI
14:02<Wolf01>http://hackaday.com/2013/03/04/preserving-locomotives-with-3d-laser-scanning-and-3d-printing/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+hackaday%2FLgoM+%28Hack+a+Day%29 what about a high detail grf?
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14:24<andythenorth>so when is the banannaanas rewrite happening?
14:24<V453000>:DDD
14:26<andythenorth>how hard can it be? :P
14:26<andythenorth>how does bananas work anyway?
14:26<V453000>honestly when I was reading his shit I could not believe what I see
14:27<Ristovski>how can I replace an aged train?
14:27<Ristovski>I tried using autoreplace, doesnt work
14:27<Pinkbeast>Ristovski: It will normally be autorenewed when too old.
14:27<Ristovski>Pinkbeast: i am on a server btw
14:27<Ristovski>and it didnt autorenew
14:28<andythenorth>V453000: 50% or so of it I agree with
14:28<andythenorth>and if I didn't, I'd post in the thread, as you did
14:29<andythenorth>bitching here is pointless :P
14:29<V453000>which parts do you agree with? :o
14:29<andythenorth>"bananas needs a rewrite" +1
14:29<Ristovski>lol
14:29<andythenorth>"distribute grfs by hand to players on request" -1, madness
14:29<V453000>by hand is total wtf
14:29<andythenorth>"it's messsy" +/- 0
14:29<V453000>rewrite why though :d
14:30<V453000>messy, well...
14:30<andythenorth>ask TrueBrain how he feels about baannananananaas
14:30<Ristovski>Pinkbeast: the train is 39/20 years old, and when I sent it to depo and click "autoreplace all" it didnt do anything
14:30<V453000>to some point yeah
14:30<Pinkbeast>Autoreplace != autorenew
14:30<Ristovski>how can I renew it then?
14:31<V453000>well, whatever, we both know that whatever happens those people wont accept bananas even if their reason was that penguins arent on north pole
14:31<Pinkbeast>One thing at a time. Autoreplace would be used to replace all vehicles of type X (perhaps in group Y) with vehicles of type Z - old or new
14:31<Pinkbeast>http://wiki.openttd.org/Advanced_Settings/Vehicles shows where autorenew is configured.
14:32<Ristovski>thanks
14:32<Pinkbeast>If that's stuck off, because of being on a server, I don't think you can do better than clone a new one and sell the old one. I don't know which options are so controlled.
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14:33<Wolf01>'night
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14:34<luckz>what is the general consensus on the lovely-looking Train Fever here?
14:34<Pinkbeast>Also you should check if the vehicle type is still available
14:34<Ristovski>Pinkbeast: ok
14:35<TrueBrain>andythenorth: I guess I miss some context here :P
14:35<V453000>there is no train fever there is only ship fever
14:36<andythenorth>TrueBrain: some comments by oztrans wrt bananaramaamas, not new
14:36<andythenorth>not insane either
14:36<TrueBrain>guess I just go back in this cave where it is dry :)
14:36<andythenorth>:)
14:36<andythenorth>let me know when you want to rewrite it
14:36<TrueBrain>I? never
14:37*andythenorth been helping alberth with his new web translator app
14:37<andythenorth>looks nice-ish
14:37<TrueBrain>good :)
14:37<andythenorth>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3872/more_more_more.png
14:38<TrueBrain>finish it up, make a good subversion handler, and start using it instead of WT3 :D
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14:49<@peter1138>hmm?
14:50<@peter1138>andythenorth, i don't see any such discussion
15:01<andythenorth>peter1138 bananas thread, simuscape general openttd forum
15:01<SpComb>bugmenot time
15:02<SpComb>but discussing bananas on a closed forum isn't very useful for the rest of us
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15:05<@peter1138>oh
15:05<@peter1138>not on the openttd forums
15:05<@peter1138>or bug tracker
15:05<andythenorth>[shrug] that's why I didn't deep link it
15:06<@peter1138>[shrug] that's why we don't see it
15:07<andythenorth>anyway, there are some points, some are good
15:07<andythenorth>one day maybe bananas gets rebuilt
15:07<andythenorth>or not
15:07<andythenorth>should I go to the pub?
15:07<SpComb>perhaps the client could support third-party content servers somehow
15:07<SpComb>people could host their own content servers as they wish
15:09<@peter1138>andythenorth, yes but i can't make it, so you have mine
15:09<SpComb>but it's a question of integration into the game UI, and at some point you'll have reimplemented HTTP and a web browser in the game :)
15:10<frosch123>SpComb: you remember... before bananas... there was the idea that every server should just send the grfs to the client :)
15:11<SpComb>well, the grf/copyright authors would accept the terms of whatever content server they uploaded their GRF to
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15:12<SpComb>and it would be their choice if and where they would do so
15:12<andythenorth>anyway, this farm produces fruit (apples and pears) and livestock (pigs)
15:12<SpComb>not sure how users would find them, though
15:12<andythenorth>what shall I call it?
15:12<andythenorth>orchard and piggery?
15:12<andythenorth>or something boring
15:12<andythenorth>?
15:12<SpComb>perhaps servers could link to external content servers in their metadata
15:14<frosch123>SpComb: i think you missed the point :p
15:14<SpComb>frosch123: well, simuscape authors could opt to upload their GRFs to the simuscape content server, which would let them delete them at will
15:15<SpComb>my limited understanding of the issue :)
15:16<andythenorth>tmwftlb
15:16<andythenorth>imo :)
15:16<frosch123>SpComb: the issue has never been that authors do not upload their stuff, but that others upload it
15:16<frosch123>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1067325#p1067325 <- rb also summarised it
15:16<andythenorth>blacklist grfids?
15:16<andythenorth>hmm
15:16<andythenorth>nvm
15:16<andythenorth>back to making FIRS
15:17<frosch123>but the same discussion was done before bananas when every month there was a suggestion to make servers send stuff to clients
15:17<SpComb>true, true
15:17<frosch123>but yeah, bananas works. and there are much more interesting and beneficial things to work on
15:18<SpComb>a hardcoded centralized service with one authority does give content owners more control
15:19*andythenorth makes cider
15:19<andythenorth>in the game
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16:00<TrueBrain>I wonder when people start to ask an ingame method to change the hardcoded masterserver, because they dont like the servers listed on the master :D
16:03<@peter1138>except they won't ask, they'll just speculate somewhere
16:03<frosch123>i am fine with that. just andy has to stop bringing it up here :)
16:03<frosch123>andythenorth: it's all your fault!
16:04<andythenorth>:P
16:04<andythenorth>I just want to improve bananas sometime
16:04<TrueBrain>dont we all :D
16:05<@planetmaker>the only two thing it misses are configurable user-access to entries and improved dep selection
16:05<TrueBrain>your list is significant shorter than mine :D
16:05<@planetmaker>:D
16:06<frosch123>planetmaker: can't you solve all that via musa and ssh keys?
16:06<frosch123>i.e. use musa via some coop server?
16:07<@planetmaker>Didn't think about that. Maybe...
16:07<TrueBrain>musa does solve dep btw
16:07<TrueBrain>well, solve is such a harsh word
16:07<@planetmaker>But I have no idea really, frosch123
16:07<TrueBrain>enables :P
16:07<TrueBrain>supports!
16:08<frosch123>well, i am quite sure musa can do non-interactive authentication
16:08<frosch123>so, you call just install your own auth in front of it
16:08<frosch123>and then make coop auth itself
16:08<@planetmaker>hm :-)
16:09<frosch123>just like it auto-compiles tags :)
16:09<@planetmaker>and auto-uploads compiled tags? :D (no, rather not)
16:09<frosch123>so, if andy messes up the tags, it is immediately distributed to bananas :p
16:09<@planetmaker>:D
16:09<@planetmaker>oh, I don't except myself from that list...
16:10<andythenorth>lolwut :P
16:10<TrueBrain>I heard them say you stink andy
16:10<TrueBrain>you should hit them
16:11<TrueBrain>plz?
16:11<@planetmaker>:D
16:11<andythenorth>TrueBrain: violence? o_O
16:11<TrueBrain>no, a correcting hit
16:11<andythenorth>oh education
16:11<TrueBrain>to improve future behaviro
16:12<frosch123>what future?
16:12<frosch123>we are only living for the day
16:12<TrueBrain>yours, ofc
16:12<TrueBrain>GROUNDHOG DAY!!
16:12<@planetmaker>:-)
16:13<TrueBrain>you were all thinking it; I said it
16:13<TrueBrain>pff
16:13<andythenorth>I wish we could make nml faster :P
16:13<andythenorth>then my errors would show up quicker
16:13<TrueBrain>rm -rf /*
16:13<TrueBrain>makes it super quick
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16:13<TrueBrain>(do not execute that command, ever, any *nix based system :P)
16:13<TrueBrain>NOT!
16:13<andythenorth>I have seen the video :P
16:13<TrueBrain>+on :P
16:14<__ln__>should i execute on cygwin?
16:14<andythenorth>try it on a mac
16:14<andythenorth>it keeps running for a while
16:14<frosch123>i still like the space bug in that installer package
16:14<frosch123>which did "rm -rf / usr/bla" or something ilke that
16:15<andythenorth>adding more industries to FIRS is not helping 'faster'
16:15<andythenorth>slower and slower
16:15<TrueBrain>make multiple versions
16:15<TrueBrain>modularity is the key!
16:15<TrueBrain>make a "core" grf on which the rest depend
16:15<TrueBrain>distribute all except the "core"
16:15<TrueBrain>and ask money for it!
16:15<TrueBrain>YOU WILL BE RICH IN NO TIME!
16:16<andythenorth>RICH!
16:16<andythenorth>todo: baanananananas payment option
16:16<TrueBrain>now you are on to something
16:17<TrueBrain>I wire 10% of every transaction to my personal account
16:17<TrueBrain>owh yeah
16:17<frosch123>payment? you mean like paying to ban specific content?
16:17<andythenorth>turns out cider is the most important cargo in basic temperate FIR
16:17<andythenorth>FIRS *
16:23<@DorpsGek>Commit by planetmaker :: r25064 trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp (2013-03-04 21:23:38 UTC)
16:23<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#5472]: Make sizes of the station preview identical list and direction selection identical in the station build window
16:24<andythenorth>but should I turn the slaughterhouse into 'Ginsters Factory' ?
16:25<andythenorth>or 'Pork Pie Factory' ?
16:25<andythenorth>'Pasty Maker'
16:25<@peter1138>who cares?
16:25<@peter1138>you'll never finish it, so we'll never get to play it
16:25<andythenorth>eh? it's nearly done
16:26<frosch123>'pasty maker' is not compatible to non-native players
16:26<andythenorth>if I don't find any broken bits, I'll commit before bedtime :P
16:26<andythenorth>frosch123: does it translate? :P
16:27<frosch123>well, "pasty" is not exactly a main-stream vocabulary in the meaning you use it
16:27<andythenorth>probably not :)
16:27<andythenorth>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasty
16:27<frosch123>i would think it produced baby food or so
16:30<Prof_Frink>andythenorth: Can you make the industries vary by location?
16:30<andythenorth>?
16:30<Prof_Frink>Have Pasty Maker in the southwest and Pork Pie factory in the midlands.
16:31<andythenorth>:)
16:31<andythenorth>yes but no but
16:31<andythenorth>this economy is mostly devon, cornwall and south wales :P
16:31<andythenorth>there's some scenario for that or something
16:31<kormer>maybe instead have it set so they can't be within x tiles of each other, and scale x by map size
16:31<Prof_Frink>Cream Tea Shop?
16:31<andythenorth>ho ho
16:32<andythenorth>'dubious tourist attraction'
16:32<andythenorth>accepts: passengers, cream, scones
16:32<andythenorth>produces: dissatisfaction, car sickness
16:32<andythenorth>I should make a stonehenge industry
16:32<andythenorth>and glastonbury
16:32<andythenorth>and cheddar gorge
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16:33<frosch123>hmm... i remember... i did not read unseen academicals in the original, else i should have known about pasties
16:33<andythenorth>you'd know about blind yeo as well then
16:34<andythenorth>I drive over blind yeo every now and then
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16:39<andythenorth>peter1138: there you go, done :) http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/
16:39<andythenorth>Basic Temperate ~= Cornwall and Wales, if you care :P
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16:42<andythenorth>hmm
16:42<andythenorth>I have added an orchard
16:43<andythenorth>and scrap metal cargo
16:43<andythenorth>now google is showing me ads for "John Orchard Scrap Metal"
16:43<andythenorth>random :P
16:45<Ristovski>lol
16:47<frosch123>night
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16:50<andythenorth>bed
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17:31<@Terkhen>good night
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17:39<Ristovski>gtg, bye
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19:37<wolfmitchell>How do I get the error that occurs when starting an AI? When I do this:
19:37<wolfmitchell>start_ai MitchAI
19:37<wolfmitchell>WARNING: Failed to load the specified AI
19:37<wolfmitchell>my code: https://gist.github.com/soccermitchy/23cd5515de31f9610227
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19:47<Eddi|zuHause>in the info.nut you need to specify a name, shortname, etc.
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20:17<wolfmitchell>I thought I did .-.
20:18<wolfmitchell>Eddi|zuHause, ^
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20:21<Eddi|zuHause>sorry, i can't really stay awake now...
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