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01:38 | <Flygon> | "This train requires a brakevan" |
01:38 | <Flygon> | But it's already got a locomotive on each end D: |
01:38 | <Flygon> | Stupid union movement... |
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05:11 | <dihedral> | greetings |
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06:46 | <__ln__> | http://digg.tumblr.com/post/45240117617/this-water-is-coming-out-of-the-faucet-in-zig |
06:57 | <Pikka> | I especially enjoy the way they explain that it doesn't actually look like that |
06:57 | <Pikka> | it only looks that way because of the 24fps camera |
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07:03 | <@peter1138> | err |
07:03 | <Pikka> | errrrrrrrr |
07:04 | <Pikka> | are we doing racing car impressions? |
07:39 | <Flygon> | So, we need a 600fps camera, and then a good CRT? |
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07:56 | <Eddi|zuHause> | your eyes only see 15-18fps |
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07:59 | <TinoDidriksen> | ...so wrong. |
08:02 | <Pikka> | your eyes don't see any fps |
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08:04 | <Pikka> | but anyway, that water would just look like a splashy fan of water IRL, it's only because the camera catches the water in a particular phase each time that it appears to have a static shape. |
08:06 | <Pikka> | this is also why they don't use sodium bulbs or old-fashioned fluorescent tubes in machinery shops ;) |
08:07 | <Pikka> | they have a steady flicker which is too fast for the human eye to see, but can make, for example, a spinning saw blade appear to be stationary. |
08:08 | <Pinkbeast> | "and then comedy ensued" |
08:12 | <Eddi|zuHause> | ok, i should phrase that differently: your the receptors of your eyes are slower than any movie fps, which is why movies appear "smooth". it is, however not an "off/on" kind of fps, it's an "integrating" kind, i.e. all light impressions over some time are added up to one single picture in the brain |
08:18 | <__ln__> | but you see a clear difference between 24 fps movies and the 48 fps Hobbit. |
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08:25 | <andythenorth> | hi |
08:27 | <Pikka> | hello andy |
08:28 | <andythenorth> | hello pikka |
08:30 | <Pikka> | what are the haps? |
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08:32 | <andythenorth> | almost no haps |
08:32 | <andythenorth> | I went to the pub |
08:32 | <Pikka> | hapless |
08:32 | <andythenorth> | now I went to the working |
08:32 | <andythenorth> | haplessly |
08:33 | <andythenorth> | keine haps |
08:33 | <Pikka> | the pub then work |
08:33 | <andythenorth> | the pub then sleep then work |
08:33 | <Pikka> | oh, well |
08:33 | <Pikka> | in that case, carry on |
08:33 | <Pikka> | carry on regardless |
08:33 | <andythenorth> | is it done yet? |
08:33 | <Pikka> | for a given value of it, certainly |
08:34 | <Ammler> | Eddi|zuHause: around? |
08:34 | <Eddi|zuHause> | depends |
08:34 | <Ammler> | you test fails, that is why i failed |
08:34 | <Ammler> | http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/eddi-nml/push/ERROR/r2073/eddi-nml-r2073-build.test.log |
08:35 | <Ammler> | you could also disable the whole windows building part |
08:35 | <Ammler> | s/i/it/ |
08:35 | <Eddi|zuHause> | interesting... |
08:35 | <Pikka> | carry on sergeant, too, andythenorth |
08:35 | <Eddi|zuHause> | let me read that first :) |
08:35 | <Ammler> | just the bottom :-) |
08:35 | <Pikka> | with doctor who and bob monkhouse |
08:36 | <Ammler> | http://hg.openttdcoop.org/eddi-nml/file/ff4c96a300da/.devzone/build/nml.spec <-- remove the wine/windows part |
08:36 | <andythenorth> | car transporters? |
08:36 | <andythenorth> | cement trucks? |
08:36 | <Ammler> | (well, not that it matters, would just speed up things...) |
08:36 | <andythenorth> | meh wagons |
08:37 | <Pikka> | cars on flatwagons |
08:37 | <Pikka> | as a gudes subtype and/or vehicles cargo |
08:37 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammler: should be fixed |
08:37 | <Pikka> | you can leave that to me though, I'll do some cars as part of hoqus or something for the benefit of towncar AI |
08:39 | <Ammler> | just run the regression locally, you can also run just one test |
08:40 | <Ammler> | next time :-P |
08:42 | <Ammler> | hmm, still failed |
08:42 | <Ammler> | http://hg.openttdcoop.org/eddi-nml/file/ff4c96a300da/.devzone/build/files |
08:43 | <Ammler> | it is called eddi-nml-r2074-suse1230.noarch.rpm |
08:44 | <Ammler> | then it should work |
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08:46 | <Pikka> | andythenorth: are you going to do mostly/exclusively UK wagons, if any? :) |
08:46 | <andythenorth> | not sure yet |
08:46 | <Pikka> | k |
08:46 | <andythenorth> | wholly lacking inspration |
08:46 | <Pikka> | just want to make sure we don't duplicate an effort |
08:46 | <andythenorth> | what other countrees are you working on? |
08:46 | <andythenorth> | North America? |
08:46 | <Pikka> | once I've got the UK and US locos done I'll let you play with the grfs |
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08:46 | <Pikka> | might be inspiring |
08:46 | <andythenorth> | k |
08:48 | <andythenorth> | we have a Hornby catalogue here in the office for work-related reasons |
08:48 | <andythenorth> | maybe I look in that :P |
08:49 | <Pikka> | maybe ;) |
08:50 | <Pikka> | don't worry about doing loads, btw, because I'm not entirely sure how I'm going to do those yet |
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08:56 | <Ammler> | Eddi|zuHause: I would fix it on nml and you pull it, ok? |
08:58 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammler: i'm kinda busy the next few minutes, so i won't react |
08:58 | <Eddi|zuHause> | just do what you think :) |
08:59 | <Ammler> | well, committed, you can either pull or whatever :-P |
09:01 | <Ammler> | or I do... :-) |
09:07 | <Ammler> | http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/eddi-nml/push/r2077/ |
09:08 | <Eddi|zuHause> | whatever that did, it hopelessly confused my checkout :/ |
09:09 | <Ammler> | hmm, I thought, you don't have time? |
09:11 | <Eddi|zuHause> | well, that occasionally changes :) |
09:11 | <Ammler> | guess, the support for build branches is broken :-) |
09:11 | <Ammler> | majonaise |
09:12 | <Ammler> | or I am just stupid, it is suffix, not prefix :-( |
09:13 | <Ammler> | oh, and we need a new grfcodec |
09:14 | <Eddi|zuHause> | how do i discard an attempted merge? |
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09:15 | <Ammler> | backout? |
09:16 | <Ammler> | hg up to whatever |
09:16 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i have done hg merge but not hg commit, and now whatever i try it says "uncommited merge" |
09:16 | <Ammler> | what did I break with the merge? |
09:16 | <Eddi|zuHause> | not, you, i did... |
09:17 | <Ammler> | then revert |
09:17 | <Ammler> | uncommited changes |
09:17 | <Ammler> | hg up -c |
09:17 | <Ammler> | etc. :-) |
09:18 | <Eddi|zuHause> | no workie |
09:19 | <Eddi|zuHause> | > hg up -r2046 |
09:19 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Abbruch: outstanding uncommitted merges |
09:20 | <Eddi|zuHause> | ah |
09:20 | <Eddi|zuHause> | -C |
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09:20 | <Eddi|zuHause> | not -c |
09:21 | <Ammler> | ah well, my mind is case insensitiv |
09:22 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammler: the tar.gz still have the wrong name? |
09:23 | <Ammler> | why? |
09:23 | <Eddi|zuHause> | "nml" instead of "eddi-nml"? |
09:23 | <Ammler> | not such file in the list afaik |
09:23 | <Eddi|zuHause> | here: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/eddi-nml/push/r2077/ |
09:24 | <Ammler> | oh, does it matter? |
09:24 | <Ammler> | I guess, that would need editing setup.py |
09:24 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it seems wrong/confusing |
09:24 | <Ammler> | well, it does not matter for devzone, it is your fork, do what you like with it :-P |
09:25 | <Ammler> | I would not change too much things on the fork, easier to pull back |
09:27 | <Ammler> | oh, and btw. pull cets :-P |
09:33 | <Eddi|zuHause> | warning: i now break everything(tm) |
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09:34 | <@Belugas> | hello |
09:34 | <Eddi|zuHause> | oh, Belugas lives an hour earlier than usual :) |
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09:39 | <@Belugas> | we're living under US time now :S |
09:39 | <@Belugas> | hi Eddi|zuHause |
09:42 | <__ln__> | i thought they didn't have any territorial demands against you |
09:47 | <@Belugas> | tell that to our pal Steven Harper :S |
10:02 | <Eddi|zuHause> | something is not right :/ |
10:03 | <Eddi|zuHause> | cets.rgf only 27kb :/ |
10:03 | <Eddi|zuHause> | *grf |
10:03 | <Sacro> | eesh |
10:03 | <Sacro> | stupid coworker, check whether a subnet is used locally before getting a VPN to use it |
10:06 | <__ln__> | https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/531567_220051318137684_130733328_n.jpg |
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10:08 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammler: can the make on devzone be "verbose"? |
10:09 | <Ammler> | it is what you define |
10:10 | <Eddi|zuHause> | thank you, tautology cat. |
10:11 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammler: i might need some temporary playground to figure out what's different on the devzone build environment than my own build environment |
10:12 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammler: i think dependencies are called in the wrong order |
10:12 | <Eddi|zuHause> | which may be my fault |
10:12 | <Ammler> | http://hg.openttdcoop.org/misc/file/30bde4f7fb22/compiler/.default/nml/nml.spec <-- this is how "default" nml projects are build |
10:13 | <Ammler> | either you tell me what to change or you copy it to your project and customize |
10:15 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammler: the problem is, i don't know what to change without trying it out |
10:15 | <Ammler> | could it be a issue of grfcodec? |
10:15 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammler: so i'd need some test system at the "make" step |
10:15 | <Ammler> | since it has a new libpng |
10:15 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammler: no, something before that step is wrong |
10:16 | <Eddi|zuHause> | the cets.nfo on the bundles page has empty engine files in it |
10:16 | <Eddi|zuHause> | so something in the generation or assembly process went wrong/different |
10:17 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammler: that you pass "--nfo cets.nfo" in NML_FLAGS sounds fishy, though |
10:18 | <Ammler> | make %{?_smp_mflags} bundle_zip ZIP="7za a" ZIP_FLAGS="-tzip -mx9" NML_FLAGS="-c --nfo %{name}.nfo" |
10:19 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yes, why do you do that? |
10:19 | <Ammler> | well, some wanted to have nfo for debug |
10:19 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it may be redirecting the output of my intermediate compile steps to the wrong file |
10:20 | <Eddi|zuHause> | because i pass NML_FLAGS there as well |
10:20 | <Ammler> | maybe easier to use your own spec then? |
10:20 | <Ammler> | not sure, if we should change the default nml spec |
10:22 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i think i'll remove NML_FLAGS from that step in the makefile instead |
10:22 | <Ammler> | just copy theat nml.spec to cets/.devzone/build/ |
10:22 | <Ammler> | and customize to your needs |
10:23 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but i still need a fast/interactive way to test if that change will solve anything |
10:24 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammler: will -j<X> do anything on the compile farm? |
10:25 | <Ammler> | theoretically it should force to -j1, not sure if you can overrule |
10:26 | <Ammler> | part of %{?_smp_mflags} afaik too |
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10:41 | <Ammler> | Eddi|zuHause: but if you keep -c, it will still overrule your flag |
10:44 | <Eddi|zuHause> | that shouldn't do any harm for now |
10:45 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but it didn't solve anything either :/ |
10:55 | <Ammler> | the nml on devzone is fine? |
10:55 | <Ammler> | you use the same locally? |
10:59 | <Eddi|zuHause> | not entirely sure |
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11:03 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but if the nmlc steps would fail, then there should be errors about that, right? |
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11:10 | <Ammler> | well, you said, the nfo looks bad |
11:11 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yes, but it's the combination script inbetween that gets confused because of non-existing files |
11:11 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but i think i found the problem |
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11:12 | <Ammler> | also since you use a custom spec, you might also configure the publisher (file files) |
11:13 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yes, next step :) |
11:13 | <Eddi|zuHause> | first, correctness, then completeness :) |
11:13 | <Ammler> | http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/entry/.devzone/build/files <-- with comments |
11:20 | <Eddi|zuHause> | hah! finally a large grf :) |
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11:27 | <Eddi|zuHause> | now, i count 3 bugs: the tenders are broken, the 32bpp-template-graphics are broken, and the extra purchase text is broken :/ |
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12:10 | <Maverick> | Hey guys, setting up a chilli cargo dist server for a bit |
12:10 | <Maverick> | think someone can test join for me? |
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12:10 | <welshdragon> | afternoon |
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12:10 | <Mavzor> | hey welshdragon |
12:11 | <welshdragon> | When I edit a .sav to a .scn using NotePad, and try to open with OpenTTD it says it's been made with a newer version, how can I get around this? |
12:12 | <TinoDidriksen> | ...using notepad? Aren't save files binary? |
12:12 | <welshdragon> | (On my Mac, I had no issues editing .sav's to .scn) |
12:12 | <TinoDidriksen> | Probably using a better editor there. |
12:12 | <welshdragon> | No, you can edit the extension, and they will open |
12:13 | <TinoDidriksen> | Sure, but extension has nothing to do with notepad. |
12:14 | <welshdragon> | true. what I meant is that you open a .sav in notepad, and save as .scn (and VV) On a Mac with TextEdit, the conversion works |
12:14 | <TinoDidriksen> | Why open it at all? Just copy and rename. |
12:14 | <TinoDidriksen> | Notepad will screw up all the bytes. |
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12:15 | <welshdragon> | so I guess I'll have top get Notepad++ |
12:15 | <TinoDidriksen> | ...or just don't open the file! |
12:16 | <welshdragon> | as your suggestion TinoDidriksen didn't work, the file is still seen by Windows and OpenTTD as .sav ... |
12:16 | <TinoDidriksen> | Enable showing extensions, change the extension. |
12:18 | <welshdragon> | *pumps fist* That works, thanks TinoDidriksen |
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13:10 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i have no clue why the 32bpp graphics are broken :/ |
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13:10 | <Eddi|zuHause> | especially why only the "template" graphics are broken, the vehicles with real graphics are fine |
13:11 | <SigHunter> | is there a way to have "cloned" vehicles automatically set "shared orders" with the one it was cloned from? |
13:13 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yes, hold CTRL while cloning |
13:14 | <SigHunter> | awesome, thx |
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13:33 | <Eddi|zuHause> | ugh! i think i have a suspicion why the purchase text is not working: nml is "optimizing out" unused strings, so the references are all wrong :/ |
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13:51 | * | NGC3982 puts stuff in Eddi. |
13:52 | * | Eddi|zuHause puts NGC3982 in ignore list |
13:55 | <NGC3982> | By the way, Sim City has taken my soul and does not seem to be keen on returning it. |
13:56 | <NGC3982> | Yet, i'm still failing miserably at it. |
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14:00 | <__ln__> | http://inhabitat.com/man-transforms-obsolete-tv-screens-into-a-solar-death-ray-that-can-reach-2000-degrees-fahrenheit/ |
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14:06 | <@Terkhen> | hello |
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14:14 | <Eddi|zuHause> | is there a less crazy workaround other than making a "switch(dummy_strings, STORE_TEMP(string(STR_1) | string(STR_2 | ...)"? |
14:45 | <@DorpsGek> | Commit by translators :: r25086 trunk/src/lang/swedish.txt (2013-03-14 18:45:08 UTC) |
14:45 | <@DorpsGek> | -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: |
14:45 | <@DorpsGek> | swedish - 34 changes by Joel_A |
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16:53 | <@Terkhen> | good night |
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17:32 | <LordAro> | evening all |
17:33 | <__ln__> | buonasera |
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17:46 | <Eddi|zuHause> | "nmlc ERROR: There are not enough registers available to perform all required computations in switch blocks. Please reduce the complexity of your code." |
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17:46 | <Eddi|zuHause> | so much for that idea :/ |
17:49 | <LordAro> | cets? |
17:50 | <@peter1138> | nfo |
17:50 | <@peter1138> | much simpler |
17:50 | <@peter1138> | you can't write valid nfo that won't compile :p |
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17:58 | <LordAro> | 10GB for TF2? jeez... |
18:00 | * | LordAro needs to sort out his partitions before serious linux gaming can occur |
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18:12 | <@peter1138> | have they made steam for linux yet? |
18:12 | <@peter1138> | or is it still steam for ubuntu (but we call it linux anyway) |
18:14 | <@peter1138> | ah, still the latter |
18:14 | <frosch123> | in ottd you can have steam since 1830 with the right train set |
18:14 | <@peter1138> | har har |
18:17 | <TinoDidriksen> | It's apparently easy enough to use the Ubuntu package on other distros. |
18:18 | <@peter1138> | manually unpacking a .deb? great stuff. just give me a tarball instead o_O |
18:18 | <frosch123> | night |
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18:22 | <@peter1138> | heh, "nice" it automatically installs their pgp key as trusted o_O |
18:23 | <blathijs> | peter1138: Why would they do that? Users will have installed their pgp key in advance to verify the .deb integrity right and not install random downloaded packages just like that? Oh wait.. |
18:24 | <@peter1138> | also it's all 32bit |
18:24 | <@peter1138> | in this day & age |
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18:28 | <LordAro> | ha, you sound like linux torvalds complaining about c++ :P |
18:28 | <LordAro> | *linux |
18:28 | <LordAro> | dammit |
18:28 | <LordAro> | *linus |
18:28 | <LordAro> | F*** |
18:29 | <LordAro> | it's automatic key presses :L |
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18:32 | <@peter1138> | good |
18:33 | <@peter1138> | when linus complains about something he has good reasons |
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19:29 | <Eddi|zuHause> | now i'm getting too insane :/ |
19:30 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i wanted a #define that whenever i redefined it, would add some character to it |
19:30 | <Eddi|zuHause> | like, unary counting |
19:31 | <V453000> | there is no "too insane" |
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19:53 | <Eddi|zuHause> | however, i found a way that works without counting |
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20:26 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Ammler: it doesn't create tickets/send emails anymore if compiling fails? |
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21:21 | <Ammler> | Eddi|zuHause: as said, the compiler scripts were gone, I have no access to the backup yet |
21:21 | <Ammler> | so some scripts/config is harder to recover right now |
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