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05:30<@Terkhen>good morning
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06:28*peter1139 ponders a pc upgrade
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06:45<peter1139>or maybe... shock horror... a laptop
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06:53<dihedral>oi
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07:10<peter1139>hmm, what's the best way of sending X clients in a VM to the host machine?
07:11<peter1139>i'm using ssh -X at the moment cos i'm lazy but encryption isn't exactly required
07:13<Sacro>NX?
07:13<Sacro>I personally like it
07:13<__ln__>assuming trusted network, say "xhost +" on the host, and export DISPLAY=host:0.0 in the VM. no guarantees on bestness, but at least no encryption.
07:13<Sacro>hah
07:13<Sacro>and then set up port fowarding to the outside world
07:14<__ln__>an honest person doesn't have anything to hide.
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07:21<peter1139>No protocol specified
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07:21<peter1139>o_O
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07:23<peter1139>ah, xhost :D
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08:48*peter1139 mumbles about stylecop complaining about tab characters
08:59<Sacro>peter1139: heh, yes
08:59<peter1139>arguments against tab characters are stupid
09:00<peter1139>"it appears different depending on tab size" no shit, that's the point
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11:07<alandarev>Hi all )
11:08<alandarev>can anyone give me a link to tutorial setting up a server?
11:08<alandarev>how can I configure a server to be something like a 'town growth challenge'
11:20<@planetmaker>Did you have a look at our wiki, alandarev ?
11:20<@planetmaker>for things like 'town growth challange' have a look at the available goal/ game scripts
11:20<@planetmaker>you configure that in the script settings
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12:20<alandarev>planetmaker: I have issues :( openttd requires libicu38 as dependency, but I got libicu48 and obviously can not downgrade. what should I do?
12:20<alandarev>(Debian)
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12:31<@planetmaker>alandarev, openttd builds fine for me with libicu48
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12:33<@planetmaker>if you talk about the pre-compiled openttd shipped with debian, that it doesn't it is linked against the wrong libicu, that's a debian bug
12:33<alandarev>planetmaker: ah so you compile it? I try to install from downloaded .deb and also tried apt-get install
12:34<@planetmaker>you don't by chance have mixed main backports experimental packages?
12:35<@planetmaker>which debian do you talk of?
12:36<@planetmaker>right. I just used apt-get on wheezy. No issue there
12:37<@planetmaker>thus you got to be much more specific
12:37<@planetmaker>what did you try on which system with what things installed
12:38<@planetmaker>what did you see and what did you expect to see?
12:39<@Rubidium>planetmaker: I think alandarev installed some (old) version acquired from somewhere and assumed it should just work
12:41<alandarev>planetmaker: I am running debian wheezy. i checked in apt-cache openttd version, it is 1.2.3 when I try to install: openttd : Depends: libicu38 (>= 3.8-5) but it is not installable
12:43<@Rubidium>wheezy doesn't have 1.2.3
12:45<@Rubidium>and if you try to install the lenny binary from OpenTTD's website, then you'll get that error
12:45<alandarev>Rubidium: Whoa, that seems to be correct information. then 1.2.3 came from when I tried to dpkg -i the debian package downloaded from openttd.org
12:46<alandarev>and yes, I need 1.2.3, as my windows client is 1.2.3 :)
12:46<@Rubidium>use the one from debian unstable
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12:46<alandarev>Rubidium: can I download a package from 'not my' repository?
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12:47<@Rubidium>hmm... even experimental (an old one to be precise)
12:47<alandarev>ok, I will try to find the solution, thanks to givine me a direction.
12:47<@planetmaker>alandarev, or use the generic linux binary. They are statically linked
12:48<alandarev>planetmaker: ehm, I don't have enough knowledge to understand what you meant :(
12:48<@Rubidium>alandarev: try http://snapshot.debian.org/package/openttd/1.2.3-1/
12:50<alandarev>okay thanks, Can't now but I will as soon as get some time.
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13:15<frosch123>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1071296#p1071296 <- awesome first post :)
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14:02<andythenorth>herp
14:02<andythenorth>derp
14:02<andythenorth>bath time
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14:02<andythenorth>has anyone translated FIRS yet?
14:02<andythenorth>I have 32 compile errors I can't kill, all missing translations :(
14:03<andythenorth>compile errors are Not Allowed :(
14:03<@Alberth>hi hi
14:03<@Alberth>remove the offending lines?
14:03<andythenorth>or delete the translation?
14:03<andythenorth>afaict, deleting the lines produces an error
14:04<@planetmaker>how that?
14:04<andythenorth>missing string
14:04<@planetmaker>missing strings must not produce an error
14:04*andythenorth checks
14:04<@Alberth>hi planetmaker
14:04<@planetmaker>hello :-)
14:04<@Alberth>at least not in the translation, as it should fall back to the english base language
14:05<andythenorth>yup, missing lines don't show an error in stdout
14:05<andythenorth>which is nice :)
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14:06<andythenorth>biab
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14:27<Wolf01>o/
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14:29<@Alberth>hi Wolf01
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14:45<alandarev>can anyone find me openttd-data 1.2.3 package for debian?
14:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r25124 /trunk/src/lang (5 files) (2013-03-26 18:45:28 UTC)
14:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
14:45<@DorpsGek>simplified_chinese - 16 changes by chenwt0315
14:45<alandarev>can't find it at snapshot.debian.org
14:45<@DorpsGek>japanese - 13 changes by Aknuth
14:45<@DorpsGek>korean - 3 changes by telk5093
14:45<@DorpsGek>latvian - 4 changes by Parastais
14:45<@DorpsGek>welsh - 159 changes by kazzie
14:46<alandarev>I think i found it
14:48<alandarev>finally installed. damn it is way more harder than should be...
14:48<alandarev>someone should push 1.2.3 to debian stable :(
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14:55<@Alberth>it's called 'stable' for a reason ;)
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15:14<@planetmaker>alandarev, usually it works decently to obtain the binary from our website for that version you use... http://www.openttd.org/en/download-stable should have the one for your version, too. Unless it's wheezy it seems
15:20<alandarev>planetmaker: I am not having 'monitor' on my server, how can I install add-ons and configure server without getting brain cancer?
15:22<@planetmaker>edit your config file to your needs. Or prepare the game locally and upload to server and start that ready-made map
15:22<@planetmaker>the latter arguably is a lot easier
15:22<alandarev>planetmaker: and what about the add-ons?
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15:27<@Alberth>just copy them to the same location as your prepared setup
15:27<@planetmaker>what Alberth said :-)
15:27<@planetmaker>content can also be obtained via rcon from the server
15:28<@planetmaker>but must be done before you try load a map which needs it
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15:47<andythenorth>so FIRS docs have two sections, one for players / translators, one as code reference
15:47<andythenorth>http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/industries_code_reference.html
15:47<andythenorth>what else should be in industry code reference? I figure anyone who cares can read the source
15:48<@Alberth>why all the black exclamation marks?
15:49<andythenorth>warnings that the cargos may be different in other economies
15:49<andythenorth>doesn't work tbh
15:51<andythenorth>hmm
15:51<andythenorth>tempted to not render the cargo classes in the docs
15:52<andythenorth>just to prove the point that nobody should rely on them
15:52<andythenorth>or I could put a snarky message in the docs :P
15:52<HellTiger>hm i have logic problem in my orders. i have station 1, 2, 3, 4. station1 load, unload at 3. station 4 load unload at 2.
15:53<HellTiger>now the train dont skip he try to do things at his hold. but he could drive through
15:53<HellTiger>but he holds.
15:53<HellTiger>he should skip hold 2 until he was at 4
15:54<@planetmaker>use non-stop orders
15:54<@planetmaker>goto non-stop X
15:55<HellTiger>HA! :D
15:55<HellTiger>thx
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15:56<andythenorth>http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/cargos_code_reference.html
15:57<andythenorth>cargos ^ :P
15:58<andythenorth>pub
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16:31<Afdal>Hello, can someone tell me how to check pathfinding settings from the console in-game?
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16:32<V453000>can you be more specific?
16:33<Afdal>I suspect someone doesn't have their yapf two-way signal penalty set to 10000 or whatever and I want to check
16:33<Afdal>red two-way reading end-of-line penalty I mean
16:33<V453000>just type set -name-of-setting
16:34<Afdal>Oh wait that's yapf.rail_firstred_twoway_eol isn't it?
16:34<V453000>in this case I think it is yapf.rail.firstred_twoway_eol
16:34<V453000>or something like that
16:34<V453000>ah yes
16:34<Afdal>Ah, yes, it's set to 0
16:34<Afdal>thanks
16:34<Afdal>Forgot about the "set" part
16:34<V453000>you can find all settings in your config file, just ctrl+f them to know the exact name
16:35<V453000>yw
16:35<Afdal>Yeah but I can't check this from the cfg because it's
16:35<Afdal>not my current setting
16:35<Afdal>had to see from their own game
16:35<V453000>well yes
16:35<V453000>I know that
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16:35<V453000>just giving advice when you need a different setting next time
16:36<Afdal>Why would someone turn that off anyway?
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16:36<V453000>it is 0 by default
16:37<Afdal>Really?
16:37<Afdal>I could have sworn I never had to mess with that
16:38<V453000>not since forever, but now it is
16:38<Afdal>Well gee, why is it off by default?
16:38<Afdal>That's a pretty important setting for advanced networking
16:38<V453000>I guess the 2way behaviour is too unexpected
16:38<Afdal>I:}
16:38<V453000>not that I like that it is off on default either
16:38<V453000>but well
16:39<V453000>all of our articles which require 2way eol to be on, have it mentioned
16:39<V453000>and everywhere else it probably does more harm than good
16:39<Afdal>You mean your openttdcoop stuff?
16:39<V453000>of course
16:41<Afdal>Well anyway, thanks
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16:41<V453000>you are welcome
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17:11<Wolf01>'night
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17:11<l0rdz3dd>Hi guys
17:18<@Alberth>hi
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17:49<frosch123>night
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18:25<alandarev>is there a mod for openttd where price of cargo is calculated based on nearest available resource spot rather than where my railway station is?
18:31<andythenorth>no
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18:35<alandarev>sad :( why nobody would make one? makes so much sense :)
18:40<andythenorth>feel free :)
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18:40<HellTiger>care free!!!
18:40<andythenorth>links to repos are here http://www.openttd.org/en/development
18:42<andythenorth>:o there is doxygen
18:42<andythenorth>I never noticed that before :P
18:42<alandarev>that sounds like an interesting idea
18:42<alandarev>strangely nobody did it
18:43<andythenorth>I would consider a multiplier on the cargo payment calculation
18:43<andythenorth>for which distance to nearest source is a factor
18:44<Zuu>andythenorth: Most methods in OpenTTD are fairly well documented with respect to doxygen comments.
18:44<andythenorth>you'd need to exclude pax and mail, and other pax or mail-like cargos
18:44<andythenorth>this would give you a spot price per-tile on the map
18:44<andythenorth>rather than a global price
18:45<andythenorth>I don't know how intensive calculating cargo payment is, you might need to consider caching and how to invalidate caches
18:45<andythenorth>but as newgrf can run a custom payment calculation, it *might* be ok
18:45<andythenorth>although 'what newgrf can do' is not always a good guide to performance afaict
18:45<andythenorth>you also need some gui way to represent this
18:46<andythenorth>railroad tycoon 3 had a heatmap overlay for the main map to show price per cargo
18:46<alandarev>andythenorth: and I got 0 experience in any of those :( Would rather see someone pick the idea
18:46<andythenorth>oh
18:46<andythenorth>well in that case it can get in the queue of ponies
18:46<andythenorth>but it's a long queue
18:46<andythenorth>and there are very few developers ;)
18:47<andythenorth>http://i-want-a-pony.com
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18:48<alandarev>andythenorth: I don't mind learning and sounds like fun.. but just need to worry about my studies for next couple of months.. Mybe next time if nobody implements it before
18:48<andythenorth>:)
18:48<andythenorth>studies are important
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