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02:50<@Alberth>just disable display of signatures :p
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03:50<@planetmaker>moin
03:51<@Alberth>moin
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06:16<alandarev>why my server is full of those lines: dbg: [misc] String too long for destination buffer
06:16<alandarev>server console
06:16<fonsinchen>What version are you running?
06:16<alandarev>1.3.0
06:17<fonsinchen>Normally that appears when the version string is longer than 15 characters
06:17<fonsinchen>Maybe there are other possibilities to trigger that.
06:18<alandarev>fonsinchen: that makes no sense. Those dbg messages appear around once a 30 seconds once I have many trains, how can it be related to the length of a "1.3.0" version string?
06:20<@Alberth>the version is sent across the network, so it needs to be packed in a network packet, which has a finite (and not so large) size.
06:21<@Alberth>how did you get that version? did you build one yourself?
06:21<@Alberth>if yes, where did you get the source from?
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07:07<alandarev>Alberth: version? I am using standard OTTD 1.3
07:07<@Alberth>k
07:08<@Alberth>hmm, does that even have dbg:[misc] printing code? I thought it was only with non-release code
07:09<@Alberth>but perhaps I was wrong
07:10<alandarev>Alberth: compiling a version myself would be too difficult for my level :)
07:11<@Alberth>many think that about setting up a server too :)
07:11<Eddi|zuHause>Alberth: debug output is also in release builds, only asserts are removed
07:11<@Alberth>Eddi|zuHause: ah, thank you
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07:12<@Alberth>which then would imply this happens with every standard 1.3.0 server
07:12<Eddi|zuHause>but by default, only debug level 0 messages are shown (exception for servers: debug level for "net" is 2)
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07:16<@Terkhen>hello
07:18<@Alberth>hi Terkhen
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08:14<Wolf01>hello :D
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08:30<@Alberth>hi Wolf01
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09:58<Ristovski>what was the newgrf that added new companies, like hotels, gas stations etc
09:59<V453000>firs probably
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09:59<Ristovski>ok
10:00<V453000>ecs might have some too, but FIRS is endlessly better
10:21<Eddi|zuHause>actually, that is probably TTRS
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10:32<V453000>hm yeah but those dont do anything
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10:39<Eddi|zuHause>well, they do tourists and vehicles, if you have the matching ECS vector(s) loaded
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13:00<ntx>what are the guidelines on the usage of C++ standard library? ie. std::vector
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13:07<@Alberth>we don't, mostly
13:07<frosch123>use it if needed. try to use SmallVector for POD stuff to avoid calling constructors
13:07<@Alberth>src/core has several smaller alternatives
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13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r25187 trunk/src/lang/unfinished/gaelic.txt (2013-04-14 17:45:06 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>gaelic - 77 changes by GunChleoc
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14:11<Sacro>hmm, the enwgrf downloady thign isn't working
14:11<Sacro>it's just saying 'Requesting files'
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14:15<ntx>well damn, someone has already started a patch for an industry list filter
14:18<Sacro>fffffff
14:19<Sacro>Any devs around? :\
14:19<ZxBiohazardZx>Sacro ofc they are but its better to ask specific questions then just checking if they exist
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14:19<Sacro>Yep
14:20<Sacro>Oh wait, it#'s downloading now
14:20<Sacro>just massively slowly
14:20<ZxBiohazardZx>what was the issue?
14:20<ZxBiohazardZx>BaNaNa's being slow?
14:20<Sacro>newgrf download taking ages
14:20<Sacro>yeah
14:20<ZxBiohazardZx>could be either server is slow or i duno
14:20<ZxBiohazardZx>stuff like that
14:20<Sacro>Just hangs on 'Requesting files...' for ages
14:21<@Alberth>TrueBrain: Rubidium ^^
14:21<Sacro>cheers Alberth, I've lost track of who is responsible for what
14:22<@Alberth>I haven't seen either today, so I don't have much hope they will respond :(
14:23<Sacro>Meh, i'll see how it goes
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14:24<Sacro>actually, it seems that file copies are slow too :\
14:24<Sacro>that's worryingly like a hdd crapping out
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14:40<andythenorth>lo
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14:41<V453000>hai andy
14:42<TrueBrain>Sacro: out network checks out fine; please try download something else, see if it goes better
14:42<TrueBrain>otherwise might be your ISP ..
14:42<TrueBrain>lolz, or your HDD yes :P
14:47<Sacro>where has the maximum zoom in option gone :\
14:47<Sacro>TrueBrain: it's perked up now
14:48<Sacro>oh
14:48<V453000>interface - display options?
14:48<Sacro>show all settings
14:48<V453000>olol
14:48<Sacro>arrgh :|
14:48<Sacro>not "than the default"
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14:48<Sacro>"to the default"
14:49<V453000>ye
14:59<andythenorth>have I missed anything? o_O
15:00<frosch123>yes
15:01<frosch123>cannot remember what it was though
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15:06<Tulitomaatti>i have trouble getting my server finding any newgrfs
15:07<Tulitomaatti>while runningthe server it whines about not finding the specified ones
15:07<V453000>upload them there?
15:07<Tulitomaatti>i've tried putting the .tar's in to newgrf and content_download/newgrf but neither seem to work
15:08<Tulitomaatti>(on the server, naturally)
15:09<Tulitomaatti>is the newgrfsection of openttd.cfg case-sensitive?
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15:11<frosch123>that depends on your filesystem
15:11<frosch123>the most common issue is that you copied the cfg from win to linux and did not replace \ with /
15:13<Tulitomaatti>hmmm
15:13<Tulitomaatti>that might actually be the problem, i got the cfg from a user and he might be a windows user.
15:14<Sacro>s/\\/\//
15:14<Sacro>i think
15:14<Tulitomaatti>that was it
15:15*andythenorth goes back to drawing
15:15<andythenorth>coal mine
15:15<andythenorth>easier than ships
15:15<Tulitomaatti>somehow i didn't even thing someone would use windows
15:15<andythenorth>and nobody cares about trucks :P
15:15<Tulitomaatti>and discarded the / \ option indebugging an hour ago D.
15:15<Tulitomaatti>thanks
15:22<Sacro>is there a guide to autopilot anywhere?
15:24<V453000>http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Autopilot probably this
15:29<Sacro>oh yes
15:29<Sacro>now is there anyway to use bananas on a server? :P
15:30<Sacro>save me reuploading all the files
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15:36<Sacro>guessing not
15:38<V453000>I think autopilot might have !content thingy
15:38<V453000>not sure if that isnt just a script on our servers though
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15:43<Sacro>Ah there is
15:43<Sacro>but how do I feed it
15:44<@planetmaker>!content is an alias which use rcon content commands in the order as needed
15:47<V453000>:>
15:47<V453000>there you have it
15:51<@Terkhen>good night
15:52<Sacro>http://wiki.openttd.org/Openttd.cfg is perhaps almost tot ally useless without telling you what each command means
15:53<V453000>sounds quite self explanatory to me
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15:53<V453000>most of them
15:53<Sacro>s/most/boolean/
15:53<@planetmaker>and most are a link to the explanation
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15:53<Sacro>anythting that's true/false is fine
15:53<@planetmaker>well. half :-)
15:53<Sacro>you shouldn't have to go back/forth to find out the flags
15:53<@planetmaker>yup. It's a wiki :-)
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16:16<Zuu>Finally, Tutorial uploaded via musa appears to work. If you select "Beginner Tutorial" scenario in a fresh OpenTTD, it will select a NewGRF, an AI with 3 libs and a GS with 2 libs as dependency.
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16:17<Zuu>In contrast to earlier solution, there is no cyclic dependencies anymore. So if you get the GS, you will not get the scenario anymore. However both the AI and the GS is hidden in the AI/GS selection for non-AI developers.
16:18<frosch123>what actually happens when you set the ottd version requirements on bananas so the deps do not show up in the list
16:18<frosch123>are they still selected via deps?
16:18<Zuu>I don't know for sure
16:20<Zuu>If you mean setting a dependency on a new version that you upload, then the past versions of your content will not have this requirement. Usually past versions do not show up. However past versions do show up if they are selected as deps.
16:21<@Rubidium>frosch123: the version is only used to request the initial list of content; the dependencies are fetched separately
16:21<Zuu>However, I don't know what happens if you set a more restrictive requirement on a dependency than on the content that depend on it, and use an OpenTTD version only accepted by the leaf content but not the dependency.
16:25<Sacro>: spawn id exp6 not open
16:25<Sacro>:(
16:26<Sacro>dbg: [net] getaddrinfo for hostname "d", port 3979, address family either IPv4 or IPv6 and socket type tcp failed: Name or service not known
16:30<Eddi|zuHause>there was something with av8 i believe where it showed both an old and a new version, because some add-on-grf had a dependency on the old version
16:31<Eddi|zuHause>so maybe a dependency will override the version check?
16:33<Sacro>Anyone any ideas/
16:33<Sacro>hmm, works as root
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16:41<@Rubidium>Sacro: your bind address is incorrect; check openttd.cfg
16:43<Sacro>Rubidium: 'd ='
16:44<Sacro>that'd do it :)
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17:04<andythenorth>nearly finished
17:04<andythenorth>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/4295/CoalMine1.png
17:04<andythenorth>big wheels are hard to draw :P
17:06<V453000>looks totally outstanding to me
17:07<V453000>I think it is a lot better than anything else I saw from you so far
17:07<V453000>must lick
17:07<V453000>everything you draw is great, this is just outright amazing
17:10<andythenorth>it's not better than some other FIRS buildings
17:10<andythenorth>about the same ;)
17:11<V453000>your argument is invalid!
17:11<V453000>it is amazing none the less :>
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17:16<andythenorth>too late to code it today :P
17:16*Zuu feel excited by musa, but understands that not everyone get excited about it. :-)
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17:17*andythenorth feels the same about python templating for newgrfs ;)
17:17<V453000>oh god :D
17:17<V453000>all I can say
17:18<Zuu>:-)
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17:23<Wolf01>'night
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17:28*Zuu hopes not too many newbies get scared when 14 items get selected for download when they download Beginner Tutorial. :-)
17:29<Zuu>One of them could however get eliminated if Meta Library is updated to not depend on the wrong version of Fibonacci Heap.
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17:30<V453000>:D
17:32<Zuu>Hmm, and I forgot to update the Ship AI to use v6 of MetaLibrary and not v5.1, so the thing is still broken :-)
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17:36<V453000>ships == trains! :)
17:38<Zuu>Ah, now it works. :-)
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17:49<andythenorth>bed time
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18:10<Sacro>where is mpikka
18:10<Sacro>TAI is giving me duplicate industries, not replacement
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18:22<Sacro>@seen Pikka
18:22<@DorpsGek>Sacro: Pikka was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 3 days, 13 hours, 39 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <Pikka> I do not want to watch a half-hour video for the one little piece of information I need and which probably isn't in there anyway
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18:49<V453000>is the bananas Visit Website button borkd?
18:49<V453000>hm no, but is it supposed to work in newgrf window?
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