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03:55<@planetmaker>V453000, it's only supposed to work, if the proper action14 is supplied. But then I assume you tested with a NewGRF which supplies it...?
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04:53<V453000>planetmaker: I tried with NUTS, I though the address isnt "right" but I have tried both and full ... still, in the newGRF menu (main menu -> newGRF options, or whe opening it in the game), the button is greyed out. It is available only on content download interface
04:54<V453000>I did not find any other newGRF which would have it not-greyed-out in newGRF options
04:57<@planetmaker>sounds strange. Remind me later or open a bug report about it, please
04:58<@planetmaker>it's supposed to work in all those cases where the button is present. Would be pointless otherwise.
05:01<V453000>yeah that is why I mention it :)
05:13<@planetmaker>of course. And much appreciated :-)
05:16<V453000>also, nuts includes unicorns now ... where is frosch
05:17<V453000>with recolourable horns :D
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05:52<peter1139>remember that openttd will never have horses
05:53<V453000>that zoo is a lie
05:54<__ln__>peter1139: that's an anti-equuian statement
05:55<V453000>totally coincidentally, NUTS probably already has more animals than all of the other sets combined :s
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06:02<peter1139>i just remember someone (darkvater) i think saying that long ago
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06:57<Sacro>@seen Pikka
06:57<@DorpsGek>Sacro: Pikka was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, 15 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <Pikka> I do not want to watch a half-hour video for the one little piece of information I need and which probably isn't in there anyway
06:58<Sacro>peter1139: egrvts2 has horses
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07:02<peter1139>welcome to missing the point
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08:17<Celestar>hi :D
08:21<Sacro>peter1139: *whoosh*
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09:30<V453000> :>
09:31<V453000>your argument is invalid
09:34<@planetmaker>V453000, at which zoom level do you draw your trains?
09:34<@planetmaker>I wonder whether it makes sense to actually draw them (also) for 2x with even more detail :D
09:34<V453000>nah I dont think that is worth it
09:35<V453000>possibly sometime when I absolutely dont know what to do :D
09:35<V453000>I personally even have extra zoom disabled
09:36<Eddi|zuHause>i'd like a feature where scroll wheel moves up to default zoom, and ctrl+scroll wheel will go further
09:36<V453000>honestly as long as it sufficiently resebles of the wtf-creature I am attempting to make, it is sufficient :)
09:36<@planetmaker>V453000, I think your screenshot shows that you use 2x. Or do I err?
09:36<V453000>that would be quite nice Eddi
09:36<V453000>x4, but you can take the screenshot through "take fully zoomed in screenshot"
09:37<V453000>isntead of ctrlS or printscreen
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09:39<V453000>idk, so far drawing takes enormous amount of time already, I cant imagine having that much more pixels to draw
09:39<V453000>I guess you could say I prefer to draw many various animals/sprites for all cargoes and those details instead of the visual details for zoomed in :)
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09:43<@planetmaker>of course, I understand. The needed (extra) time, would likely be just as long as for the current graphics. Or at least 50% of that
09:43<V453000>I would even say a lot more
09:44<@planetmaker>why a lot more? You already know how it should look in principle :D
09:45<V453000>well yeah, e.g. some trains I drew, I also made a sketch on paper beforehand. But when you start to compose the pixels, it changes on the fly
09:45<V453000>those changes take insane amount of time
09:45<V453000>in principle is a nice thing but the details which make it look nice are the issue
09:46<@planetmaker>of course... but you would only draw that once you have the 1x version - thus you also know that detail :-). Somewhat
09:46<V453000>and in case of trains which have no realistic counterparts (photos and stuff), it is pretty hard to figure out what to put there :D
09:46<V453000>well, that is true
09:47<@planetmaker>yet, once again the time, given 10k sprites... yuk!
09:47<V453000>might try someday
09:47<V453000>100k :D
09:47<@planetmaker>:D worse then :D
09:47<V453000>a tiny bit
09:47<@planetmaker>^ that tiny ;-)
09:47<V453000>maybe a bit smaller
09:48<@planetmaker>sorry, can't draw smaller ;-)
09:48<V453000>either way, nice weather, I go walk my animals
09:48<@planetmaker>catch ya later
09:48<V453000>(imaginary animals, I only have a pet snail)
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12:11<frosch123>apparently i missed nuts 0.5.0
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12:16<frosch123>the 50th release? did you always go from 0.x.0 to 0.x.9 ? or was there some 0.y.10 ?
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12:18<frosch123>uniporns are quite fat
12:19<frosch123>they were better off when they were walking themself, instead of driving trains
12:23<@planetmaker>good evening
12:24<frosch123>why are there suddenly so many posts in the 1.3.0 topic? :o
12:25<V453000>frosch123: yes, 0.5.0 == 50 for me
12:25<V453000>the dots dont actually have any sense there :D
12:28<@planetmaker>I see
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12:42<V453000>also, frosch123 dont tell me your garage unicorns are any less fat
12:43<frosch123>ofc they are. the neighbours are eaten for long
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13:08<Ammler>Heya, how again do I edit a post on tt-forums?
13:08<@planetmaker>you can't edit old postings
13:08<@planetmaker>except the first in a thread
13:08<Ammler>I got asked to remove a outdated attachement
13:09<Ammler>hmm, what silly guy had that idea?
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13:09<Ammler>well, I write him to go to mods then.
13:11<Ammler>I am quite sure, it was possible before, wasn't it?
13:11<@planetmaker>what attachement should you remove? and why?
13:14<Ammler>well, the attachement is one part, but I would also like to link to the new version.
13:16<Ammler>since I am such a bad editor, this new feature makes tt-forums unuseable for me anymore.
13:16<Ammler>if I can't fis my own mistakes, I rather do not post...
13:17<Ammler>like IRC with logs :-)
13:17<peter1139>welcome to the aftermath of shithead behaviour from the likes of whoever it was who did the canadian stuff
13:18<Ammler>still no reason to make a forum nonfixeable
13:19<peter1139>it stops that shithead behaviour, good enough reason for me
13:19<Ammler>well, you are mod, so you might still be able to fix your posts
13:19<Ammler>but the Forum is unuseable for the rest.
13:20<peter1139>unusable is rather extreme
13:20<peter1139>i'm pretty sure a lot of people are using it just fine
13:20<Ammler>that is why you quote posts
13:20<peter1139>anyway, it's not an openttd decision
13:21<Ammler>yeah, sorry, I do not join the other channel, I hope you guys will tell them to reconsider it.
13:21<peter1139>them = orudge
13:21<peter1139>and i doubt it
13:21<peter1139>it's been in place for ages anyway
13:22<peter1139>it was discussed back then
13:22<Ammler>yeah, well
13:22<Ammler>maybe it was a good temporarly thing, good be reverted then
13:23<Ammler>planetmaker: I told him to go to mods already.
13:23<Ammler>you call that ages ago?
13:23<peter1139>a year
13:24<Ammler>that is not that long :-)
13:25<Ammler>I would rather have simply locked those users.
13:25<peter1139>that's not the point
13:25<peter1139>that doesn't stop it happening again
13:26<Ammler>the point is because of some single persons behavior, they made a common forum feature unavailable for us.
13:26<peter1139>more than one person has done it
13:26<peter1139>if you want an editable system, use a website or a wiki page
13:27<Ammler>omg, I hope that was not the excuse back then :-)
13:27<peter1139>no that's my personal opinion
13:30<Ammler>and since you can still edit the OP, it is useless, isn't?
13:31<peter1139>go read the affected threads
13:34<Ammler>planetmaker: anyway, if he does not go to mods, it might be nice of you to remove the attachments from
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13:35<Ammler>(and maybe add a note like "Please download recent versions from"
13:36<@planetmaker>I will add the latter note. But not remove the attachments
13:36<Ammler>ok :-(
13:36<Ammler>I added those grfs back then because his websiete was down
13:36<@planetmaker>though... you link to the download
13:36<Ammler>no, I link to
13:36<@planetmaker>Ammler, point is, that the old ones might be needed for games. And people would not find them
13:37<Ammler>then those poeple can share those grfs themself, I am not the author of those
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13:38<@planetmaker>actually... no. I don't have a new download link. Do you?
13:38<juzza1>what happened when it was enforced? Someone ragedeleted his uploads?
13:38<@planetmaker> is a *pretty* useless site
13:38<Ammler>just pasted the link after
13:38<@planetmaker>juzza1, not only uploads. But all postings
13:38<Ammler>planetmaker: there is a download.html
13:39<@planetmaker>ah, didn't see it. thx
13:39<Ammler>I can understand to not let delete attachments
13:39<Ammler>but not editing is so silly
13:41<@planetmaker>that's the same thing.
13:41<@planetmaker>deleting text destroys discussions
13:42<Ammler>no, you use quote
13:43<Ammler>oh, actually it seems you are still able to delete attachments
13:44<frosch123>juzza1: the most offensive thing you can do on a forum: going through hundreds of pages of discussion and removing all your posts, telling everyone who you ever talked to on the forums that you disrepect them and never wanted to talk to them
13:44<@planetmaker>maybe as I edited it with mods rights?
13:45<Ammler>the attachemtns can be deleted iva control panel
13:45<frosch123>yes, attachments can still be deleted
13:45<frosch123>the rule was only applied to posts
13:45<Ammler>so well done, most useless change :-)
13:46<frosch123>because posts were considered common ownership of all discussion participants, while attachments were considered the owned by the poster
13:46<frosch123>Ammler: how often do you need to edit a post older than two weeks?
13:46<frosch123>i never had to
13:46<frosch123>(except first post)
13:46<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r25188 /trunk/src/lang (3 files in 2 dirs) (2013-04-15 17:46:44 UTC)
13:46<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:46<Ammler>frosch123: you useally just need to change attachments
13:46<@planetmaker>which still is editable
13:46<@DorpsGek>danish - 18 changes by Gankenstein
13:46<@DorpsGek>gaelic - 169 changes by GunChleoc
13:46<@DorpsGek>vietnamese - 2 changes by nglekhoi
13:47<@planetmaker>Ammler, nope. You don't change them
13:47<@planetmaker>You add a new posting with the new version
13:47<Ammler>planetmaker: s/change/update/
13:47<@planetmaker>And link in the first posting to the new posting with the new version
13:47<@planetmaker>updating the attachments is quite bad
13:47<@planetmaker>it destroys history similarily
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13:47<Ammler>planetmaker: well in past you changed the link to the new version
13:48<Ammler>you adedd kind of changelog for minigrfs etc.
13:48<@planetmaker>as I do today. I can. and you can edit the first posting
13:48<@planetmaker>so really. Nothing changed
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13:48<@planetmaker>Except that unreasonable behaviour is limited :-)
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13:49<Ammler>hmm, maybe that is why I didn't recognize it yet
13:49<Ammler>you are still able to edit new posts
13:49<@planetmaker>yes, of course
13:50<@planetmaker>one week or so is the age limit
13:50<Ammler>so then sorry for the noise
13:57<Ammler>oh and just for your info, those grfs are in the grfpack anyway, I posted those there for the non-pack users back then
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15:44<juzza1>has anyone tried to fix the mouse lag in openttd? i added the environment variables here but it didn't affect the mouse movement
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15:46<frosch123>never had any problem with the mouse
15:47<juzza1>maybe it's just bothering me because i've been oc'ing about mouse movement and lag in general in the past few weeks
15:47<juzza1>just feels more sluggish and choppy when compared to windows
15:48<frosch123>if you tried the sdl variables, the windows frontend of ottd does not use sdl
15:48<juzza1>ok, guess i'll just better not think about it
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16:12<@planetmaker>on neither OS or computer I had an issue with mouse lag, juzza1
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16:25<Ristovski>"americans so unfit they have explosion after marathon"
16:26<andythenorth>someone kick him
16:26<__ln__>Ristovski: because it's very inappropriate to say something like that.
16:27*andythenorth is feeling out-trolled
16:27<@Rubidium>@kick him
16:27<@DorpsGek>Rubidium: Error: him is not in #openttd.
16:27<andythenorth>can't be arsed to argue with trolls
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16:27<Ristovski>also, what version of gcc do you need to compile OpenTTD?
16:27<Ristovski>iirc, you would get crashes if you used some outdated one
16:27<Ristovski>__ln__: I quoted, I didn't write that myself
16:28<@Rubidium>3.3-4.8 except 4.5 or so
16:28<Ristovski>oh, ok
16:32<__ln__>Ristovski: after which you said "lol".
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16:38<Wolf01>ahah I have a dwarf named Pikka
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17:06<Eddi|zuHause>@seen andythenorth
17:06<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 39 minutes and 29 seconds ago: <andythenorth> can't be arsed to argue with trolls
17:06<Eddi|zuHause>that would make for awesome "famous last words" :p
17:07<Eddi|zuHause>it probably won't beat the trebuchet, though :)
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17:09<Eddi|zuHause>@seen anyone
17:09<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: anyone was last seen in #openttd 2 years, 14 weeks, 3 days, 4 hours, 42 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <anyone> hi
17:09<Eddi|zuHause>oh, that still works :=)
17:11<Eddi|zuHause>@seen luukland
17:11<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: luukland was last seen in #openttd 43 weeks, 2 days, 22 hours, 26 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <Luukland> nn
17:11<Kjetil>@seen bjarni
17:11<@DorpsGek>Kjetil: bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 27 weeks, 2 days, 20 hours, 52 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh
17:11<Eddi|zuHause>hm, that doesn't "work" anymore
17:13<Eddi|zuHause>@seen you
17:13<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: I have not seen you.
17:13<Eddi|zuHause>aw... that is probably too old :=)
17:13<Eddi|zuHause>[Sa Mai 30 2009] [19:21:19] <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: you was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 5 days, 21 hours, 24 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: * You have been kicked.
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18:16<Wolf01>'night all
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19:33<kmccoy>Hello. Is there a keyboard command (or a way to configure one) to close those little popup windows?
19:34<V453000>del should close all windows
19:35<kmccoy>Thanks! Just as you mentioned that I thought to include the word "hotkeys" in my search and found the list. Sorry for wasting your time, and thanks to all who work on the game.
19:36<V453000>you are welcome :)
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21:11<jnicholl>hello! I was starting some work to port OpenTTD and had a few questions - anyone feel like indulging me?
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