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02:00<NGC3982>Dag nabbit. The unofficials app for android is unplayable.
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04:15<peter1139>no really
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06:33<RavingManiac>Openttd ships need something like a 2x speed boost
06:33<RavingManiac>like how aircraft are nerfed
06:33<RavingManiac>except in reverse
06:34<__ln__>they aren't starships
06:34<TinoDidriksen>Just use a huge fleet of hovercrafts.
06:34<RavingManiac>For cargo?
06:38<V453000>use trains :>
06:38<V453000>or train ships
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09:44<@Belugas>good day all
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12:38<Eddi|zuHause>so, who is foolhearted enough to click on that? :p
12:39<V453000>I didnt but I wanted to say hi :(
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12:46<juzza1>must be some interesting newgrf
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12:46<frosch123>lol, guess that what's in the 6th post in thread of the russian subway patch :p
12:53<ToBeFree>interestingly, that person also joined freenode and got autokilled, too
12:56<Pinkbeast>Seems to be pushing clickspam
12:56<Pinkbeast>... if you persist you can get a 5-part ZIP file of God knows what but I'm not _that_ curious about Windows Trojans
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12:57<Pinkbeast>But I think the main thing is generating bogus clicks for which I can't really find it in me to care about. :-)
13:03<Eddi|zuHause>i have absolutely no clue what you just said
13:03<Pinkbeast>I was pondering what the scam was. Now I know.
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13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r25196 /trunk/src/lang (3 files in 2 dirs) (2013-04-22 17:45:22 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>croatian - 2 changes by VoyagerOne
13:45<@DorpsGek>brazilian_portuguese - 9 changes by and_opttd
13:45<@DorpsGek>gaelic - 372 changes by GunChleoc
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14:24<@planetmaker>salut Alberth
14:28<@planetmaker>hola frosch also :-)
14:29<Zuu>Hello all
14:29<@planetmaker>uuZ ollaH
14:30*frosch123 is still baffled about the existence of coding style trolls on the russian forum :s
14:32<@planetmaker>you read in tt-ru and understand it?
14:32<frosch123>no :p
14:32<frosch123>there was a link from tt-f
14:32<frosch123>i could read the patch file (without havnig to understand the russian comments)
14:33<frosch123>and i could read the links posted in the froums
14:33<frosch123>anyway, someone made an amazingly small subway patch
14:34<frosch123>(amazingly small compared to how much actually works, while generously ignoring details)
14:34<@planetmaker>from that POV that's certainly true and amazing
14:34<frosch123>but within 6 posts some troll showed up, linking to ottd wiki coding style and starting to point out whitespace issues
14:35<frosch123>(no idea whether the post is really about whitespace, but that is likely the most noticeable issue when considering coding style of the patch)
14:36<frosch123>though it's ofc hillarious to start discussing a patch on a char-by-char level, instead of the fundamental design :p
14:36<@planetmaker>:-) red-herring it
14:37<@planetmaker>or like the bike-shed issue
14:38*Zuu is impressed by the quality of the russinan -> english translation of the tt-ru forum using google translate.
14:38<@planetmaker>unrelated: should I put this script in make-nml or find another place:
14:38<Zuu>Compared to translations from german or french sites the translation quality is far better.
14:38<@planetmaker>it solves the issue to fix the case-agnostic programming and make the newgrf compile on DevZone
14:39<@planetmaker>not fail-proof, but... helps a lot
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14:41<frosch123>hmm, that could also be a part of nml itself
14:41<frosch123>it could warn if file references only match non-case-sensitivelyx
14:41<@planetmaker>that's a good point, too
14:41<frosch123>hmm, though i do not know how to code that in python :p
14:42<@planetmaker>probably in a similar manner: compare strings once with case matching and once without. Complain if one comparison fails
14:43<frosch123>well, not sure how to get the real filename after opening the file
14:43<frosch123>or whether nml would have to scan directories itself
14:44<frosch123>depends on how python handles files
14:44<@Alberth>quite a lot more safe
14:45<@planetmaker>tonight I fixed certainly the upteenth time a newgrf with that issue... and thought there'll be an automatic way :D
14:45<frosch123>Alberth: can we persuade you with some imagine piece of cake from the imaginary r25k cake from the imaginary r25k party? :)
14:45<@Alberth>Python handles files like C mostly, but with some higher level primitives like getting a directory or all files matching some * pattern
14:45<@Alberth>to fix nml?
14:46<frosch123>anyway, when is a good date for r25k party?
14:46<@Alberth>nml does not have 25k commits by a long shot :p
14:46<frosch123>it's getting warmer now :)
14:47<@Rubidium>frosch123: whenever $BOSS pays the trip to get there?
14:47<frosch123>paris was the last idea, wasn't it?
14:47<@Rubidium>yeah, but last weekend the weather for next weekend looked bad, so I won't stay there after friday
14:48<@planetmaker>Well, now that it's summer... we could re-visit r20k venue :-P
14:48<@Rubidium>some plans to see slightly more of Paris this thursday and friday than the last time I was there
14:49<frosch123>not sure how organizing a party in paris would work though :p unless rb or glx are at site
14:49<frosch123>(at least i got the impression that rb is often in paris)
14:50<@Rubidium>$BOSS has a meeting in Berlin planned for the 10th or 17th of June, which is roughly on the way ;)
14:50<frosch123>sounds like a try-hard european company, which always has to meet in a different country to preserve equality :)
14:51<@Rubidium>I don't really have any sites in Paris available, unless something like the grass near the Seine or so
14:51<@planetmaker>grass near the seine... it's nice... but well :-)
14:51<@Rubidium>Paris => customer (for now)
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14:51<Zuu>If its planned some time ahead and I'm free, I think that I will try to come.
14:51<@Rubidium>Berlin => office-ish
14:52<@planetmaker>so... should we first decide on date or first on place?
14:52<@planetmaker>ok. done :-P
14:52*Rubidium wins the WAAW
14:53<frosch123>planetmaker: i guess we should branch in two alternative realities
14:53<frosch123>see who could organise what, and who would participate
14:55<frosch123>something like a wrestling showmatch between luukland and one of us
15:01<@Rubidium>for me the difference between Paris and Braunschweig is some 10% in travel time, although Paris is 50 E more expensive
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15:02<@Rubidium>unless I want to arrive at stupid times, but then it's still more expensive
15:03<@Rubidium>for me the weekends of the 8th and 15th of June would prefer a German based meet, for the rest I wouldn't care much
15:03<@Rubidium>too bad I don't have enough (private-ish) space
15:04<@planetmaker>It's not like my flat is huge, as you might remember :-)
15:04<@Rubidium>true, but you have a private-ish garden
15:04<frosch123>yup :)
15:04<@Rubidium>all I "got" is a asfalt or brick shopping centre parking lot
15:06<frosch123>braunschweig is incredible easy to reach, so unless we get some exclusive guests for paris who would not be able to attend in bs (like terkhen, glx, belugas :o ), i would definitely prefer bs
15:06<@Rubidium>or a 2x2m outside terrace
15:06<frosch123>*easy for me
15:07<@planetmaker>Alternatively we meet in a more Southern place like Aschaffenburg :D
15:07<frosch123>would be more work for me :p
15:08<@planetmaker>less travel ;-)
15:08<frosch123>it would be more work than travel in the other case :)
15:08<mikegrb> <-- openttd sighting
15:09<@planetmaker>well, BS is fine. In the hope that my work related to it will be roughly equivalent to the last time
15:09<frosch123>planetmaker: you might remember, i have close relatives in bs, so the organisation effort for a bs visit is about zero for me
15:09<Zuu>Oh, Aschaffenburg is near Frankfurt which IIRC is not to evil early on the CNL from copenhagen (if you manage to get a ticket that is not ridiculus expansive)
15:09<@planetmaker>ah, I actually forgot
15:09<@planetmaker>expansive as in 2m^2 in size? :D
15:09<andythenorth>I should redraw everything for retina support
15:09<@planetmaker>scrn :-)
15:10<andythenorth>also openttd works in OS X 10.8, I dared to upgrade
15:10<@planetmaker>good to hear :-)
15:11<@Rubidium>wow... 24 EUR to get from here to Frankfurt
15:12<@planetmaker>that's... cheap
15:12<@Rubidium>get to Koeln, then by bus via Frankfurt-Hahn
15:12<Zuu>bs is fine for me. I can get to berlin at 6 am or so with a night train. However, its not a good one as its on a ferry half way so when you learned to sleep on the rail it changes sound and movement pattern. :-p
15:13<Zuu>The night train from copenhagen on the other hand is in berlin at 4 am :-p
15:14<@planetmaker>Zuu, isn't Berlin further than BS?
15:16<@Rubidium>and Halle?
15:16<@planetmaker>Easy to reach for me. 2 hours roughly
15:17<@planetmaker>Also from Berlin it should be easy, around 1 - 2 hours
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15:21<Zuu>planetmaker: yes but, if you would get of in Hanover and take a RE or so you might end up in BS at 3 am or so :-)
15:21<@planetmaker>brrr... night bird's time :D
15:22<@Rubidium>and an early morning train?
15:22<@Rubidium>only thing I could, reasonably, get to by CNL is something like Prague
15:23<Zuu>An early morning train could work better.
15:24<@Rubidium>where do you depart from?
15:25<Zuu>Malmö-ish yes
15:25<@planetmaker>let's meet in Malmö :D
15:25<@Rubidium>hmm, 9 hours
15:25<Zuu>There is one 7:44 from Copenhagen which is in BS at 15:41 which may be quite ok.
15:26<Zuu>Its just 7:25. (not counting the connection trip of about 30-40 minutes to get to copenhagen)
15:26<@Rubidium>Zuu: that departure gives me arrival of 15:09 in Braunschweig
15:26<Zuu>(7h 25 min)
15:26<@Rubidium>06:53 departure from Malmo Central
15:27<Zuu>hmm, yes 15:09 or 15:41. But yes, selecting the 15:09 option is more clever as the cost is exactly the same.
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15:36<@Rubidium>Malmo would be fine for me as well ;)
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15:51<__ln__>Zuu: just take an evening flight to hanover, stay a night, proceed to bs.
15:56<Zuu>Rubidium: I don't have access to any shared party space where I live, but there is a quite calm shared garden. I'm afraid our train hostel in Lund has been closed down because we are getting a new office for the municipality.
15:56<Zuu>__ln__: Yes the solution by a sane person would be to take a flight. :-)
16:03<__ln__>even with trains, your scheduling becomes much easier if you stay a few nights in germany.
16:04<__ln__>hotels and stuff are not nearly as expensive as in the nordic.
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16:47<Eddi|zuHause>[22.04.2013 20:46] <frosch123> anyway, when is a good date for r25k party? <-- about two months ago? :p
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16:55<Eddi|zuHause>i always wanted to go to Malmö... ever since i saw the advertisings for the Malmö train in the mid-80's :)
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17:37<wyatt24>i didnt think people even play this game
17:37<TinoDidriksen>People certainly do.
17:38<V453000>I am hereby offended by being called people
17:38<wyatt24>oh haha can u help me with the trucks and industries
17:38<V453000>which ones
17:38<wyatt24>like setting it up so they actullty ship stuff
17:39<wyatt24>plz help
17:40<V453000>alright ,connect trucks on industries
17:41<wyatt24>that doesnt help can i make the trucks go to the industri or do i have to make a truck stop
17:42<V453000>cant help if you didnt ask ... yes you have to make a truck stop
17:43<wyatt24>i did that before it didnt work
17:46<wyatt24>why cant u be more descriptive
17:47<wyatt24>here can u start a server on thwe game and ill join and u can show me how
17:47<V453000>I dont know what to tell you
17:47<V453000>no thanks
17:48<V453000>unless you ask specific questions I might as well start telling you literally everything, and to even write that I would need several weeks
17:49<wyatt24>just help me with the industries
17:50<wyatt24>ok imm going to look at the videeo
17:50<wyatt24>ur no help
17:51<V453000>so tell us
17:51<V453000>how should we know what is your problem
17:52<wyatt24>i just need help on the industries distiputing the stuff
17:52<V453000>k im done
17:52<V453000>I dont have time for this if you cant even ask a question
17:53<Zuu>Eddi|zuHause: If you refere to the pink/purple trains, they are more purple than pink these days.
17:53<Eddi|zuHause>i what?
17:54<Zuu>Although they are not as purple as the buses in Örebro.
17:54<Zuu><Eddi|zuHause> i always wanted to go to Malmö... ever since i saw the advertisings for the Malmö train in the mid-80's :) <-----
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17:55<Eddi|zuHause>Zuu: no, they were sheets of paper mounted to the wall inside some regular wagons, which advertised the international train from berlin to malmö
17:55<Eddi|zuHause>there was nothing about pink/purple trains
17:57<wyatt24>doeas anyone know of any other games like this that are 32 bit and are free
17:57<Zuu>wyatt24: Did you try simutrans?
17:58<wyatt24>no ill look it up and are there anyothers
17:59<Zuu>I like playing ticket to ride online sometimes. Its probably 32 bit and there is a web version too. It is about connecting cities with railway.
17:59<Zuu>Although it is probably not the type of game you are after.
18:00<wyatt24>oh ok um are there any city building games like simcity but free
18:00<wyatt24>and 32 bit
18:01<Zuu>I don't live in Malmö, but there are several public parks and resturants etc. If we are lucky, there will be an ECS effect causing there to be less activity than usual.
18:01<Zuu>wyatt24: Lincity
18:02<Zuu>Or get SimCity 4 Deluxe cheap if it can be bought still.
18:04<V453000>openttd is best city building :P
18:04<Zuu>Oh yes, try one of the three city building Game Scripts for OpenTTD :-)
18:04<Zuu>Hmm four actually.
18:05<V453000>even without those scripts :P
18:05<V453000>counting SyCity? :)
18:05<V453000>yes, probably the most significant script of all
18:06<V453000>makes town grow only if % transported out of max passengers is good enough
18:06<Zuu>I counted CityDomination, Balanced City Growth, Neighbours are important and CityBuilder.
18:06<V453000>means people have to actually care about the city :)
18:06<Zuu>SyCity is not on bananas what I can see.
18:06<V453000>it is
18:06<wyatt24>is lin city free
18:06<Zuu>I don't see it here:
18:07<V453000>oh, official name differs City Growth Limiter
18:07<wyatt24>and does it have the same type of game style as simcity
18:07<Zuu>lincity is some kind of free
18:08<wyatt24>what do you mean
18:08<Zuu>possible the 'open' type of free
18:08<wyatt24>ok does it have the same type of gaming style as simcity
18:09<Zuu>it is similar to simcity, but why don't you google it?
18:09<V453000>you know google right?
18:09<V453000>oh :) you were faster
18:10<Zuu>Or if you like, use DuckDuckGo :-)
18:10<Zuu>Is there a acronym to DDG something?
18:10<wyatt24>um ok ill look thanks anyways
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