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05:11<@peter1138>bah, vpnc still doesn't support client certificates :(
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05:40<norbert79>Morning... Question: is there a way to get connected to the server I am running using the command line only through ssh?
05:42<lugo->./openttd -n IP[:port][#CompanyID]
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05:43<lugo>oh that command only starts a multiplayer game but doesn't connect to one, let me check again#
05:44<norbert79>I just wish to get inside the game through regular console so I can create a screenshot of the current game running
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05:48<lugo>i think you'd need adminport for that:
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05:51<norbert79>Ehm, I just was thinking of something more simple... I wish to just get inside the console of the game
05:51<norbert79>as main admin
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06:46<norbert79>thanks although
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07:13<Eddi|zuHause>he could just use screen or something
07:20<@planetmaker>yes. but he's gone
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09:55<BxTs>i have got problem with dedicaded ottd 1.3.0 server
09:55<BxTs>everything seems to be allright
09:55<BxTs>but i cant see game in client
09:56<BxTs>dbg: [net] Map generated, starting game dbg: [net] [udp] queried from 178.36.XXX
09:56<BxTs>i can query as you see
09:56<BxTs>ports are open OS is freebsd
09:57<BxTs>both udp and tcp
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10:28<@planetmaker>BxTs: if all network is properly setup, you find the server quickly in
10:28<@DorpsGek>planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound)
10:28<@planetmaker>and you need to make sure that you enabled advertising for the server. Look in the cfg for that setting
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10:32<BxTs>planetmaker: enabling advertising works :)
10:32<BxTs>thank you ! :)
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12:37<@peter1138>^ glad i don't use wooden bridges in ottd :p
12:38<frosch123>10 million for a wood bridge?
12:40<@peter1138>well... to build something in its place
12:53<Eddi|zuHause>i don't remember ever seeing a wooden rail bridge
12:54<Eddi|zuHause>most of them are steel, some concrete, stone or brick
12:54<Mazur>I do.
12:54<Mazur>Wondering around some woods, over a stream, wooden bridges, with railings.
12:55<MNIM>they do exist in the new world, apparently
12:55<Eddi|zuHause>rail != railing :p
12:55<Mazur>(wooden railing bridge)
12:55<MNIM>but eh, they build everything with wood
12:55<Mazur>Merkins, eh?
12:56<Eddi|zuHause>there are a few wooden road bridges
12:57<Mazur>Shameless self-promotion.
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13:00<Mazur>What makes it even more poignant is, that they used a wooden in a forested area, which part of the year is dry. Amazing it's not a yearly event. I suppsoe they use a fire-retardant material, very good for hte environment.
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13:12<@DorpsGek>Commit by planetmaker :: r25278 trunk/readme.txt (2013-05-23 17:11:55 UTC)
13:12<@DorpsGek>-Doc: Update some small parts of the readme
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13:15<tycoondemon>!download trunk/readme.txt
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13:16<Eddi|zuHause2>ah there he is :p
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13:44<permagreen>Good day
13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r25279 /trunk/src/lang (hungarian.txt welsh.txt) (2013-05-23 17:45:13 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>hungarian - 26 changes by zorg
13:45<@DorpsGek>welsh - 1 changes by kazzie
13:46<@Alberth>your nick is light-red instead of green :)
13:46<Eddi|zuHause>looks more dark orange to me
13:47<permagreen>Oh darn
13:48<permagreen>Should file a bug report
13:48<@planetmaker>it's green to me
13:48<@planetmaker>Alberth is more light green
13:48<@planetmaker>And Eddi is turquoise
13:49<permagreen>And you are purple for me
13:49<Eddi|zuHause>said the blue person
13:49<@Alberth>nah, he's nicely earth-brown :)
13:49<@Alberth>or rather, planet-brown :D
13:49<Eddi|zuHause>no, you're rust-red
13:50<@planetmaker>haha :-) planet-brown would suit me
13:50<Eddi|zuHause>so how many planets are planet-brown then?
13:51<@planetmaker>Mars ;-)
13:51<@Alberth>never been there
13:51<@planetmaker>those who rightfully can claim that, please raise hands now ;-)
13:51<Eddi|zuHause>i would recommend going during rain-season :p
13:52<@Alberth>although I played the Mars heightmap once in OpenTTD
13:52<@planetmaker>yeah. Interestingly, Eddi|zuHause, such thing actually *does* exist
13:52<Eddi|zuHause>i only remember playing the mars map in simeath
13:52<@planetmaker>for certain definitions of 'rain'
13:53<Eddi|zuHause>planetmaker: preferably the water kind :p
13:53<@Alberth>I doubt it's very healthy to be there at such times :)
13:53<@planetmaker>I do speak of water, yes
13:53<@planetmaker>but the yearly precipitation is in the range of µm. instead of cm here on Earth
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13:54<@planetmaker>best place wrt precipitation is the big crater in the Southern hemisphere...
13:55<@planetmaker>hellas basin
13:55<@planetmaker>anyway... cinema time. See you tomorrow
13:55<Eddi|zuHause>greece is certainly a lovely place
13:55<@Alberth>bye planetmaker
13:55<Eddi|zuHause>i watched startrek yesterday
13:56<__ln__>the new one?
13:56<@planetmaker>that's what I'm going to watch today, Eddi|zuHause ;-)
13:57<Eddi|zuHause>i was kinda expecting that, yes :p
13:58<alluke>pm: when will it be possible to search servers via the newgrfs they use
13:58<Eddi|zuHause>alluke: when you implement it
13:59<Eddi|zuHause>alluke: all the data is there, just make a new filter function
14:00<Eddi|zuHause>alluke: about 10LOC, so i expect your result in an hour
14:00<alluke>i have no idea what to do
14:00<Eddi|zuHause>just read the existing filter
14:01<permagreen>I don't do a whole lot of coding, but stuff like that is usually pretty easy
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14:04<__ln__>why do you have star trek now and won't have it until sunday?
14:05<frosch123>movies always start on thursday
14:06<Eddi|zuHause>but thursday, 2 weeks ago
14:06<Eddi|zuHause>cinema is more expensive on the weekends
14:07<frosch123>well, more imporant is to not go to the cinema before 22:00
14:07<frosch123>or it will be full of underaged guys
14:09<Eddi|zuHause>they don't often have after-22:00 shows here, at least not during the week
14:10<__ln__>star trek is actually on premiere only the 5th june here, it's just shown once in advance next sunday.
14:11<Eddi|zuHause>"Star Trek Into Darkness Kinostart 9. Mai 2013"
14:12<frosch123>14:20, 17:20, 19:45, 23:15 here
14:12<frosch123>though i wonder who watches st at 14:20
14:12<frosch123>maybe pupils just after school?
14:12<__ln__>that's so wrong, but at least it's not dubbed here.
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14:13<Eddi|zuHause> Heute 14:15 K1 16:10 K7 17:15 K1 19:30 K8 20:30 K1
14:13<@Alberth>hi Wolf01
14:13<Eddi|zuHause>friday and saturday they have shows at 21:30
14:14<frosch123>__ln__: ok, the OV version is only on sunday here as well :p
14:15<frosch123>hmm, there is fast&furious 6 at cinema...
14:15<frosch123>i remember watching f&f 2 :p
14:15<frosch123>when did 3 to 5 happen? :p
14:15<Eddi|zuHause>i don't remember watchin 2 :p
14:16<Eddi|zuHause>wtf is the movie "smashed" and why is it only shown twice the entire week?
14:17<Eddi|zuHause>"freigegeben ab 12 Jahren", but only friday/saturday at 22:10
14:17<Eddi|zuHause>6,6 rating, not very convincing :p
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14:18<Eddi|zuHause>"Hanni & Nanni 3"... i should probably stop reading about what films are showing :p
14:18<frosch123>given the summary i wouldn't even watch it, if it had a good rating
14:20<frosch123>are 3d movies bad for children?
14:20<frosch123>i never noticed they have some movied both in 3d and non-3d
14:20<Wolf01>3d movies are bad for everyone
14:20<frosch123>but the non-3d are at 11:00 and 14:00
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14:21<frosch123>though i have even less clue who goes to the cinema at 11:00
14:21<Eddi|zuHause>with the early 3D movies, some people complained about headaches
14:21<Eddi|zuHause>but that may be because of the way they were shot like 2D movies
14:22<Eddi|zuHause>with quick cuts, out-of-focus, etc.
14:22<Wolf01>I still do, I'll have my eyes crossed for about 15 minutes after the movie ends
14:23<__ln__>almost all 3d movies here are shown also as 2d.
14:23<Eddi|zuHause>most of the time the 3D is barely noticeable
14:24<Eddi|zuHause>and then they throw a spear at you
14:24<__ln__>the hobbit was shown as three versions; 2D, 3D, 3D hfr
14:24<Pinkbeast>Leipzig was _covered_ in posters for "Hanni & Nanni 3"; until then I was blissfully unaware of 1 and 2.
14:25<Eddi|zuHause>maybe i was in Leipzig at the wrong (or right) time, or i'm just blissfully ignorant
14:26<Pinkbeast>I was clearly there at the wrong time, there were thousands of filthy goths. :-)
14:26<Eddi|zuHause>yes, they do that :p
14:27<Pinkbeast>Every time I go the trams are FULL of pissed goths. I don't know how it happens.
14:27<frosch123>and the goths were there to watch hanni&nanni ?
14:27<Eddi|zuHause>one year my brother was in Leipzig around that time, and he was dressed in bright white :p
14:27<Eddi|zuHause>Pinkbeast: you go the same time every year? :p
14:28<Pinkbeast>Eddi: No. (The WGT's at Whitsun, which moves with Easter...)
14:28<Eddi|zuHause>yes, "Pfingsten"
14:28<Pinkbeast>ALSO every time I go to Whitby it's full of pissed goths. I think they're following me.
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14:31<Eddi|zuHause>or maybe you are following THEM?
14:32<Pinkbeast>Ooh, I hadn't thought of that. But no, I just go for the steam locomotives # lies
14:32<Eddi|zuHause>they are also dressed in filthy black? :p
14:33<Pinkbeast>Actually the NYMR's stalwarts recently have been mostly two Black Fives and a 9F, so... well, clean shiny black, anyway
14:34<Eddi|zuHause>a few days ago they stopped a steam train in Leipzig because they found a dead body on the track. (one that was not run over by a train)
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14:39<Eddi|zuHause>"Switzerland discusses a constitution amendment that disallows the highest monthly wage of a company to be more than the lowest yearly wage"
14:42<@Alberth>nice solution :p
14:42<Eddi|zuHause>they'll just circumvent that with subsidiaries and out-of-house contracts
14:44<@Alberth>move the boss to its own company :p
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14:49<Pinkbeast>Huh. We were at the tram museum on Sunday and met someone who'd seen a steam locomotive at the HBF that morning - was it the dead body train?
14:49<frosch123>"the dead body train"
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14:50<Pinkbeast>frosch: "<Eddi|zuHause> a few days ago they stopped a steam train in Leipzig because they found a dead body on the track. (one that was not run over by a train)"
14:50<Eddi|zuHause>Pinkbeast: yes, they couldn't reach the train museum from the position they were in, so they had to move to the HBF
14:51<Eddi|zuHause>park the engine there over night, and move it to the train museum in the morning
14:51<Pinkbeast>Stupid question time, where's the train museum?
14:51<Eddi|zuHause>i think in Plagwitz, not sure
14:53<Pinkbeast>How have I been to Leipzig four times and not known about this? Egads.
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14:59<@Rubidium>frosch123: wouldn't 11:00 be a nice time for jetlagged people? Or people that have lots of night shifts?
15:00<@Rubidium>or those that work for an US company from Europe (i.e. have meetings and such from 15:00 .. 23:00)
15:00<Eddi|zuHause>i don't think i was ever in a cinema at 11:00
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15:09<frosch123>Rubidium: apparently pupils have holydays this and next week
15:09<frosch123>so it might be only due to that
15:11<Wolf01>I need a software which can allow me to swap the audio channels at system level (not inside its application only, like a media player), does anybody of you ever found something like this?
15:11<Eddi|zuHause>"Gesetz über die Bundesförderung der Investitionen in den Ersatz der Schienenwege der öffentlichen nicht bundeseigenen Eisenbahnen im Schienengüterfernverkehrsnetz" lovely name :)
15:11<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: that was last week, over here
15:12<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: looks like something that can be rewritten to one word ;)
15:12<Eddi|zuHause>Wolf01: every decent audio driver should offer that option
15:12<Wolf01>I only can change the speakers configuration from 2.0 to 4.0 :/
15:13<Eddi|zuHause>Wolf01: anyway, that would be the right place to put that :p
15:14<Eddi|zuHause>Wolf01: or you rewire the connection :p
15:14<Wolf01>I think I'll do the hardware way
15:14<@Alberth>sounds much easier :p
15:15<Wolf01>I have 2 TV as monitor, so I must find another way to move the speakers :P
15:16<Wolf01>I'm lucky to have already the materials to do it, saturday could be a nice day to blow up all
15:16*Alberth gives some extra dynamite, just in case
15:18<@peter1138>raw_read_error_rate, seek_error_rate & hardware_ecc_recovered go up every time in run smartctl -a
15:18<@peter1138>i guess i should bin this disk, yeah/
15:19<Eddi|zuHause>or maybe you should not run smartctl? :p
15:20<@Rubidium>peter1138: just mention it to your sysadmin. That person ought to know what to do ;)
15:20<@peter1138>tee hee
15:21<Mazur>I do that sonce smart began to stop me from booting a disk it has problems with.
15:21<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: i love the windows-error-messages that sound like this :p
15:21<Mazur>did that
15:21<@peter1138>yeah well, my actual faulty disk shows 0 errors with smart
15:22<Mazur>Og course, some months later the disk filed more seriously, but I replaced it then. Anything important was already off it.
15:24<Eddi|zuHause>the last time smartctl complained about a disk, i immediately sent it for warrantly replacement
15:24<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: the sysadmin at my work definitely knows what to do with those messages
15:24<+glx>Rubidium: clone and replace ?
15:25<+glx>yeah that works too
15:25<@Rubidium>then when the disk finally fails... well, you'll have to wait 2 weeks for the new disk to arrive and be installed
15:26<@Rubidium>but then, my (wired) phone at work ain't working for a mere 4 months
15:26<+glx>my old p133 machine always required me to press a key at boot due to smart error, but it still runs
15:26<@Rubidium>and so far I have not had any confirmation that the backup of the SQL server it working, except "I'm working on it"
15:26<@Rubidium>but then, that's only in that state for more than a year
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15:44<Eddi|zuHause>glx: and you didn't find the bios option to ignore errors?
15:44<+glx>it's a dell
15:44<+glx>they have stupid bios
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16:01<Eddi|zuHause>"Web developer John Galantini implemented the london tube map in HTML/CSS without any images"
16:07<frosch123>yeah, "implemented" might be the right term then
16:08<frosch123>it's not 3d though
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16:10<sla_ro|master>Why it should be 3D?
16:10<frosch123>to be modern
16:10<sla_ro|master>YOu call that modern?
16:10<sla_ro|master>All maps are 2D.
16:11<frosch123>you mean paper is newer than the human eye?
16:11<frosch123>and thus 2d is more modern?
16:12<sla_ro|master>So find a map like that in 3D...
16:12<sla_ro|master>Is just a informative map, not a game/world/etc. to explore.
16:12<Eddi|zuHause>you realize that "modern" is already old, since we're living in post-modern times already?
16:12<frosch123> <- there are a dozen more results like that
16:13<sla_ro|master>That is even harder to read.
16:13<sla_ro|master>being 3D.
16:13<frosch123>sla_ro|master: anyway, contrary to surface rails, 3d might actually make sense for underground stuff :)
16:14<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: but the lines don't depict the way the rails go anyway
16:14<Eddi|zuHause>it's all heavily simplified and abstracted
16:14<frosch123> <- tht looks more geo
16:15<frosch123> <- that looks more like 90's though
16:15<frosch123>impossible to read :p
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16:18<Dr_Tan>are we talking about Subways again?
16:18<Dr_Tan>and how they would be awesome if the game allowed for layered maps?
16:18<frosch123>what game?
16:18<Dr_Tan>what other game would i be talking about?
16:19<frosch123>no idea why you would want to talk about a game here
16:19<Eddi|zuHause>age of empires
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16:19<frosch123>i remember an interesting colonization discussion
16:19<Eddi|zuHause>i always loved how age of empires had "heightlevels" and "cliffs", but you couldn't combine both
16:20<Eddi|zuHause>cliffs had to be flat on one end
16:20<Nat_aS>cliffs were strange
16:20<Nat_aS>they could lead to some Esher shit if you messed around with them
16:20<frosch123>hm... i do not remember any cliffs
16:20<frosch123>were they also in aoe2?
16:20<Nat_aS>I think so
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16:22<Nat_aS>what new features have been added to OTTD lately?
16:22<Nat_aS>I haven't been on in a while
16:22<frosch123>i really cannot remember any cliffs
16:22<frosch123>and i would have remembered if one could siege trebuchets on top of a cliff
16:22<Eddi|zuHause>i can't help you with that :p
16:22<frosch123>unreachable from ground troups
16:22<Nat_aS>frosch123: they were squiggly brown things
16:23<Nat_aS>and could lead to some escher like maps if you fucked around with them
16:23<Nat_aS>and they were incompatable with the way hills worked
16:24<Nat_aS>"Tool age"
16:24<Nat_aS>what version is that?
16:25<Nat_aS>oh derp, I remember now
16:25<Eddi|zuHause>how do you expect me to have any more information about some random google find?
16:25<Nat_aS>they split the stone age up into two ages
16:25<frosch123>maybe they did not appear on random generated maps?
16:25<frosch123>i only ever played random maps
16:26<Eddi|zuHause>you never used the scenario editor?
16:26<MNIM>they did appear on randoms, as far as Im aware
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16:27<Eddi|zuHause>may depend on map type and stuff
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16:45<Eddi|zuHause>ok, so there definitely just appeared a cliff on a random map
16:45<Eddi|zuHause>in age2
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17:15<Eddi|zuHause>ah, i remember, i totally suck at this game :p
17:16<+glx>I'm usually too slow when playing against human
17:17<Eddi|zuHause>i'm already too slow when playing against (hard) AI
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17:20<+glx>same here
17:21<Eddi|zuHause>"Congress' Apple hearing was not actually about paying too little taxes, but about paying too little campaign contributions"
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18:41<Eddi|zuHause>"For the fifth night in a row, cars burn in Stockholm, as youths riot"
18:42<Eddi|zuHause>such a thing was apparently only expected in paris, or london, or athens, or ...?
18:57<Wolf01>'night all
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19:08<+glx>Eddi|zuHause: usually not in paris, but near paris ;)
19:09<+glx>except when football "supporters" are happy
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19:31<Samu>i had an idea about landsaping limits
19:31<Samu>what do you think of local authority handling landscape limit?
19:32<Samu>and not a global company limit?
19:32<Samu>server setting?
19:34<V453000>I think the core of the idea is good, as in tf limits handled by location, but at the same time it would get into quite big problems as local authority doesnt really grow back up unless you are providing service to that town
19:35<V453000>or growing trees ofc, but growing trees just to terraform sounds really weird
19:36<Samu>I don't know the rating penalties
19:37<Samu>landscaping would be impossible at a really low rating
19:37<Samu>less than placing a station
19:38<Samu>let me find the wiki article
19:39<Eddi|zuHause>the whole authority thing needs a revamp, fixing the tree abuse amongst others
19:41<Samu>found it
19:42<Eddi|zuHause>also i thought about giving towns "personalities", like industry-friendly, transport-friendly, environment-friendly
19:42<Eddi|zuHause>but that might rather be something for a gamescript
19:43<V453000>just put there an option to disable authorities entirely and it is solved :>
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19:47<Samu>what is the penalty on rating for landscaping?
19:47<Samu>1 corner?
19:48<Samu>hmm so it's based on clearing tiles?
19:48<Samu>the number of affected tiles?
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19:50<Samu>i remember i can't lanscape that much near a town or I'm forbidden to place a station, what is the penalties here?
19:51<Eddi|zuHause>the penalty is for removing trees, not clearing tiles or raising/lowering corners
19:51<Samu>hmm is grass clearing penalized too?
19:51<Samu>plain grass/ice/desert?
19:52<Samu>I'm thinking it wrong then
19:52<Eddi|zuHause>like i said, it needs a revamp
19:59<Samu>the unsussecful bribe
20:00<Samu>if my rating is -1000 and i'm unsucessful, it will go back to -50?
20:00<Samu>that's more than +200/+800 if it were sucessful...
20:01<Samu>that's a +950 for being caught, or am I reading this wrong
20:31<Samu>can't add a requirement for clearing trees?
20:31<Samu>+7 for planting them
20:31<Samu>and -7 for clearing them?
20:32<Samu>oh, it's -35 already
20:33<Samu>a required rating of some value to clear trees
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20:33<Samu>that's what I was intending to say
20:34<Samu>-400 perhaps?
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20:39<Samu>what about area look up? some tiles belong to local authority
20:39<Samu>some others don't
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21:01<Samu>anyone here?
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23:32<Nat_aS>oh man
23:32<Nat_aS>the local authority in OTTD
23:32<V453000>must die
23:32<Nat_aS>a world where the only lobby that matters is the environmentalists
23:33<Nat_aS>"What, they buldozed half the town? Well they also planted a lot of tress."
23:33<V453000>well, with magic dozer you can unlock destructive lobby
23:34<V453000>in fact the destructives are usually a lot more constructive in the long run, they just need the starting steps :>
23:35<Nat_aS>i just wish there was some easier way to make towns happy
23:35<Nat_aS>like lobying
23:35<Nat_aS>without outright bribery
23:35<Nat_aS>or treespamming
23:37<V453000>well service in the town is quite good, but isnt absolutely instant
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