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10:11<samu>hi
10:12<samu>fatal application failure
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10:12<__ln__>you seem alive despite that
10:13<samu>I typed in console stop_ai 2
10:14<samu>before that I was dealying with frame_freq
10:15<samu>i had someone join my game earlier with an error and fail
10:16<samu>can't remember the error, it was something about invalid frame or invalid packet,
10:16<samu>do you have a list of errors I could point you which one it was
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10:17<samu>gonna try upload to flyspray
10:18<samu>but my internet is doing real bad today
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10:29<samu>yay
10:29<samu>took 5 minutes to upload
10:29<samu>here it is - http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5566
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12:43<Amis>Hey there! Is it possible to set industries to funding only (turn off generation of new industries) after the game has started?
12:45<Eddi|zuHause>no
12:46<Amis>Awww
12:46<frosch123>some industry sets have such kind of settings
12:46<Amis>Well then, I looked really hard, is there any newgrf that slows down the spawning of industries?
12:46<frosch123>are you playing with default industrieS?
12:46<Eddi|zuHause>yes
12:46<Amis>frosch123, yep
12:47<frosch123>then try "manual industries"
12:47<Amis>Oky!
12:47<Amis>Okay!*
12:47<frosch123>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/manindu <- make sure to access the settings of it
12:47<Amis>Description seems promising
12:49<Amis>Yes, this does seem to be the thing I was looking for, thank you!
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13:13<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r25302 trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp (2013-05-29 17:13:53 UTC)
13:14<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#5565]: Build railway fences next to objects, even if they are owned by the same company.
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13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r25303 /trunk/src/lang (4 files) (2013-05-29 17:45:26 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>korean - 5 changes by telk5093
13:45<@DorpsGek>gaelic - 9 changes by GunChleoc
13:45<@DorpsGek>swedish - 4 changes by Joel_A
13:45<@DorpsGek>turkish - 40 changes by niw3
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13:57<samu>hi
13:58<samu>how do I seach r25236 fix? ty for fixing it
14:01<frosch123>use 1.3.1-RC1
14:01<frosch123>@topic set 1 1.3.0, 1.3.1-RC1
14:01-!-DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.3.0, 1.3.1-RC1 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | #openttd.dev for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices
14:03<samu>I can't download anything until next month
14:03<samu>unless by miracle, let me try
14:04<Eddi|zuHause>you used up your internet for this month?
14:04<samu>i'm downloading, do you see me downloading?
14:05<samu>yes
14:05<samu>3 hours 50 min remaining...
14:05<Eddi|zuHause>why would we?
14:05<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: at the end of the internet, there is always so much month left
14:05<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: happy 2016 :p
14:06<samu>4 hours 56 min... nope, it's not gonna download
14:06<samu>6 hr 1 min
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14:07<Wolf01>hello
14:07<samu>how does my ISP does this limitation? how to circumvent it?
14:07<samu>hi
14:08<frosch123>try https?
14:08<samu>hmm, how exactly do I do that?
14:09<frosch123>most of the times you replace the http with a https
14:09<samu>https://www.openttd.org ?
14:09<frosch123>especially make sure the download link uses https
14:10<frosch123>though no idea whether the mirrors serve that :)
14:10<samu>http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/games/openttd/binaries/releases/1.3.1-RC1/openttd-1.3.1-RC1-windows-win64.exe
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14:14<samu>it says ftp.snt.utwente.nl not ready to accept https connections i think
14:14<Eddi|zuHause>use a different mirror?
14:14<samu>TLS or SSL stuff i don't know
14:17<Eddi|zuHause>the mirrors are listed on the "links" page
14:19<Eddi|zuHause>somehow i can't access de mirror
14:19<frosch123>likely it is down for years, and the page is not up to date
14:21<samu>https://us.binaries.openttd.org/binaries/releases/1.3.1-RC1/openttd-1.3.1-RC1-windows-win64.exe
14:21<samu>doesn't want http
14:21<samu>s
14:21<frosch123>well, wait 3 days then :p
14:21<samu>oki
14:22<samu>woah this one is working so far
14:24<samu>http://us.binaries.openttd.org/binaries/releases/1.3.1-RC1/openttd-1.3.1-RC1-windows-win64.exe
14:24<samu>about 7,71 KB/s
14:24<Eddi|zuHause>welcome to 1993
14:25<samu>this one doesn't know the full size
14:25<samu>the utwente knows it needs to download 5.35 MB
14:25<samu>but stops
14:27<Eddi|zuHause>that's one of the reasons i didn't buy into this LTE crap. they offered 5GB, 10GB or 15GB per month.
14:27<Eddi|zuHause>GREAT, i'd have fast internet for a whole two days!!
14:28<@Rubidium>two days?
14:28<samu>my isp offers me 1 GB per month
14:28<@Rubidium>that still sounds kinda slow
14:28<Eddi|zuHause>i already had 60GB per month on my "DSL light" (384kbit/s) line
14:28<samu>but I always exceed it to about 15 GB, that's when it slows
14:29<@Rubidium>like 10 years ago I had 15 GB / week of internet (and a massively filled "local network")
14:30<@Rubidium>5 GB in two days is only 30 kB/s
14:30<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: well if i watch 2-3 shows per day, and each one is 1-2GB in size...
14:30<samu>"this transfer was interrupted... :(" the utwente one
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14:31<@Rubidium>even (E)GPRS is able to reach 30 kB/s
14:31<Eddi|zuHause>i'm currently around 80GB per month, with the faster internet
14:31<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: yeah, HD kinda makes those things kinda big
14:31<samu>us.binaries.openttd.org is at 10.1 KB/s
14:32<samu>and concluded just now
14:32<samu>:))))))
14:33<samu>5,35 MB (5.610.501 bytes)
14:33<samu>can i load a save game from 1.3.0 into 1.3.thisone?
14:33<@Rubidium>have you tried it?
14:34<samu>i would have to eject ppl out of this game
14:34<Eddi|zuHause>the provider recently announced plans to limit stuff at 75GB/month for 16mbit lines
14:34<Eddi|zuHause>starting 2016
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14:36<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: by that time they upgraded the 16 mbit to 32 or even 64 mbit, so don't worry ;)
14:36*LordAro waves
14:36<samu>hi
14:36<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: well the upgrade from 64kbit to 384kbit took 5 years, and the upgrade from 384kbit to 16mbit another 5 years
14:37<Eddi|zuHause>for 50mbit lines it was 200GB/month or something
14:38<@Rubidium>those artifical limitations are kinda annoying though
14:39<Eddi|zuHause>yes, which is why the announcement was not received very well :p
14:39<samu>if my isp doesn't know how much it needs to download, it will always download?
14:39<Eddi|zuHause>especially the part where they said "well OUR TV over IP service won't be affected by the limit, but OTHER such services will (unless they pay us)"
14:40<Eddi|zuHause>samu: that is nothing we could know or check
14:41<LordAro>samu: generally they either charge you excessive rates or throttle your connection if you go over your limit
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14:41<Eddi|zuHause>samu: more likely is that they just can't monitor https traffic the same way as http traffic
14:42<frosch123>yeah, i would hope that you cannot tell the type of content in a https transfer
14:42<samu>it downloaded via http:
14:43<samu>but it was downloading without knowing how much
14:43<samu>oki
14:43<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: there was some guy on 28C3 who talked about how to monitor skype traffic without decrypting it
14:44<samu>I had some other strange downloads before, but I could never explain why some worked and others didn't
14:45<samu>I remember downloading WoW after my limit
14:45<samu>that's 10 GB
14:45<samu>but then I couldn't download something as simple as superpi
14:45<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWkKVdh9IOU
14:46<Eddi|zuHause>i think that's the one
14:46<samu>I bet I can watch that video
14:49<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: and allegedly, china has become pretty good at detecting TOR traffic, even if it's disguised as an SSH session
14:50<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r25304 /trunk/src (58 files in 3 dirs) (2013-05-29 18:49:58 UTC)
14:50<@DorpsGek>-Change: Move the GS goals window from the subsidies to the league menu.
14:51<samu>damn fok, 42 minutes video, incredible, I can see it
14:51<samu>:(
14:51<samu>my ISP trolls me
14:52<samu>54 minutes, sorry
14:52<frosch123>maybe the clock on their server is 3 days off
14:53<samu>behind enemy lines
14:53<samu>28c3 Chaos communications something, that green logo
14:54<samu>some guy on stage, some slides top right corner saying RUAC or RUAG?
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14:56<samu>:(
14:57<samu>does the video have audio?
14:59<samu>system has gone mute
15:02<samu>okay, that video made my system go mute
15:02<samu>I hate Adobe Flash
15:03<Eddi|zuHause>use the html5 version
15:04<samu>wait, sorry, not totally correct
15:04<Eddi|zuHause>video is 139,9MiB on my HDD
15:04<samu>I don't get audio playing anymore on my system, except OpenTTD sounds
15:05<samu>I decided to play openttd midi, doesn't play
15:05<samu>only sounds now
15:05<samu>let me try restart browser
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15:05<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: how do you switch to html5?
15:05<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: no idea, some configuration page or so
15:06<Eddi|zuHause>http://www.youtube.com/html5
15:07<frosch123>yeah, just fuond that :)
15:08<Eddi|zuHause>i always use youtube-dl, anywaay
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15:14<samu>i don't know exactly where to look at
15:15<samu>I'm looking at Process Explorer and those sound processes
15:15<samu>I have sound, but only on OpenTTD, which is still running, but... the sound coming out seems delayed, or plays all in bursts
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15:17<samu>can't start playing any midi, just doesn't play anything
15:17<samu>but the track tittles seem to be rotating
15:17<samu>titles
15:18<samu>the game thinks it's playing midi, it isn't
15:22<samu>what happens if I kill audiodg.exe ?
15:22<samu>looks like that's the faulting process
15:23<samu>meh, I'm killing it
15:23<samu>hope for the best
15:26<samu>OMG YES!!! fixed it without restart
15:26<samu>audiodg.exe
15:26<samu>know I know it's u
15:26<samu>now*
15:27<samu>YES, I can play openttd midi too
15:27<samu>great :)
15:27<samu>ty glx!
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15:31<+glx>I did nothing :)
15:31<+glx>but I knew it was not openttd
15:31<+glx>your system is really weird anyway ;)
15:32<@DorpsGek>Commit by zuu :: r25305 /trunk/src/script (api/script_object.cpp squirrel.cpp) (2013-05-29 19:31:58 UTC)
15:32<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#5561]: Game Script APIs that execute a DoCommand were returning the same result as in TestMode during world generation
15:33<samu>:) ^_^
15:34<samu>I can blame Microsoft
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16:17<samu>re-hi
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