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---Logopened Sat Jun 29 00:00:43 2013
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02:02<@planetmaker>good morning
02:03<andythenorth>FIRS now uses nearly all the available industry IDs :)
02:03<andythenorth>62 used, 2 free
02:10<@planetmaker>I'm not surprised andythenorth :-)
02:10<@planetmaker>nor actually concerned
02:11<andythenorth>I can reuse IDs between different economies :P
02:11<andythenorth>trivial solution, bit non-elegant
02:12<andythenorth>I should just auto-generate IDs in each economy :P
02:12<andythenorth>but that wouldn't be reliable acrosss savegames
02:13<@planetmaker>andythenorth, it would not be bad for release versions to simply kick savegame compatibility into the trash bin
02:13<@planetmaker>just make the min_compatible_version reflect that
02:15<@planetmaker>only problem really would arise for you when testing
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02:49<andythenorth>the message "Cannot be funded on snow" is a bit stupid in Tropic
02:52<@planetmaker>quite :-)
02:52<@planetmaker>means desert likely
02:52<@planetmaker>thus simply use "snow or desert"
02:52<@planetmaker>or... "Can only be funded on grass"
03:03<andythenorth>well maybe
03:03<andythenorth>the checks are explicit to snow and desert individually
03:04<andythenorth>could solve it, but never noticed it before
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03:11<@planetmaker>desert == snow. Except for climate, andythenorth
03:11<andythenorth>not the way we coded the checks though
03:11<@planetmaker>if you check for tiletype, they're identical
03:11<@planetmaker>that might be, we might consider climate
03:11<@planetmaker>dunno anymore :-)
03:12<andythenorth>we check snowline height ;)
03:12<andythenorth>probably for some good reason we've forgotten
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03:13<andythenorth>biab toddler tantrum
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03:29<@planetmaker>moin Rubidium
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03:55<@Terkhen>good morning
03:58<@Alberth>moin Terkhen
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04:58<@DorpsGek>Commit by rubidium :: r25507 trunk/src/table/settings.ini (2013-06-29 08:58:25 UTC)
04:58<@DorpsGek>-Cleanup: double definition
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05:47<@DorpsGek>Commit by rubidium :: r25508 /trunk/src (9 files in 4 dirs) (2013-06-29 09:47:18 UTC)
05:47<@DorpsGek>-Change: split unit localisation choice into a choice per type of unit, and move it to the advanced settings
05:47<@DorpsGek>-Feature [FS#5482]: have tractive effort in imperial (lbf) and metric (kgf) units
05:47<@DorpsGek>-Feature: have weights and volumes in imperial units (short tons, gallons)
05:50<@DorpsGek>Commit by rubidium :: r25509 /trunk/src/lang (58 files in 2 dirs) (2013-06-29 09:50:32 UTC)
05:50<@DorpsGek>-Cleanup: remove old strings
05:51<@DorpsGek>Commit by rubidium :: r25510 trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp (2013-06-29 09:51:03 UTC)
05:51<@DorpsGek>-Fix: forgot to update some documentation
05:53<Rubidium>translators: new strings! ;)
06:02<@planetmaker>uh... metic horse powers?
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06:03<@planetmaker>hm, obviously
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06:43<NGC3982>"Metic"? :)
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06:53<Chrill>recommendations for a decent early 1800s-1850s train set? :)
06:54<Chrill>ah, well then
06:54<Xaroth|Work>horse and carriage
06:54<@planetmaker>might be lucky with one of Pikka's. Maybe 2ccTS has some... maybe not
06:54<Chrill>well I've used NARS in the past
06:54<Chrill>which is quite ok
06:55<Chrill>but I wanna try my hands at something new :)
06:55<@planetmaker>play 1950+ but with NUTS
06:56<@planetmaker>that's the biggest innovation in vehicle sets for years
06:57<@Alberth>nuts starts earlier
06:57<@Alberth>I start at 1935 with nuts
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06:58*Alberth feels unequalized now
06:58<@planetmaker>you're right. Thanks:
06:59<@Alberth>:o I can start at 1920 even :) thanks for finding that page
06:59<@planetmaker>that grf has a wiki :-)
07:00<@planetmaker>the wiki seems a bit outdated wrt latest releases though
07:01<@planetmaker>no wetrail yet
07:01<@Alberth>the page looks familiar, so I probably read it and then forgot all about it :)
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07:47<Mazur>And he is back, with a new keyboard and a new mouse, as well.
07:52<frosch123>what? i can imagine the keyboard... but i doubt the terminator has a mouse interface
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08:03<@DorpsGek>Commit by rubidium :: r25511 trunk/src/fontcache.cpp (2013-06-29 12:03:44 UTC)
08:03<@DorpsGek>-Fix-ish: add the same printable key assert to the sprite font cache as the freetype font cache
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08:07<@DorpsGek>Commit by rubidium :: r25512 trunk/src/highscore.h (2013-06-29 12:07:40 UTC)
08:07<@DorpsGek>-Fix-ish: the high score company name could not have enough space to have both the company and president name
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08:10<@DorpsGek>Commit by rubidium :: r25513 /trunk/src (3 files in 2 dirs) (2013-06-29 12:09:55 UTC)
08:10<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#5623]: the high score's company/president name was stored with encoded string codes, causing it to cause trouble when the encoding of the string codes changes. Furthermore, check the incoming dangerous content better
08:11<@DorpsGek>Commit by rubidium :: r25514 /trunk/src/lang (61 files in 2 dirs) (2013-06-29 12:11:38 UTC)
08:11<@DorpsGek>-Update: other translations
08:20<Mazur>frosch123, I was talking in the third person personal.
08:20<Mazur>Like Ceasar.
08:41<@DorpsGek>Commit by rubidium :: r25515 trunk/src/company_gui.cpp (2013-06-29 12:41:43 UTC)
08:41<@DorpsGek>-Feature [FS#5595]: right align the infrastructure statistics
08:49<Mazur>Oh, almost forgot "Four de Trance"!
09:02<@Alberth>it's not finished yet :)
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09:11<@DorpsGek>Commit by rubidium :: r25516 trunk/src/company_gui.cpp (2013-06-29 13:11:52 UTC)
09:12<@DorpsGek>-Codechange: reduce code duplication in infrastructure statistics window
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09:15<andythenorth>I can't write code on this silly ipad :p
09:16<@planetmaker>take a permanent marker, remove the cap and write "code" straight over it ;-)
09:16<@planetmaker>I'm sure it'll work
09:17<@planetmaker>(then use a cheap vodka to remove it again :-P )
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09:19<andythenorth>Considering using ssh to the mac :p
09:19<@DorpsGek>Commit by rubidium :: r25517 /trunk/src (company_gui.cpp lang/english.txt) (2013-06-29 13:19:19 UTC)
09:19<@DorpsGek>-Fix-ish (r25515) / Feature-ish [FS#5623]: properly align the statistics as well when the infra sharing is turned on
09:20<@DorpsGek>Commit by rubidium :: r25518 /trunk/src/lang (53 files in 2 dirs) (2013-06-29 13:20:40 UTC)
09:20<@DorpsGek>-Cleanup: remove old string
09:23<Sacro>infra sharing?
09:23<Sacro>IN TRUNK?
09:24<Rubidium>yeah... :(
09:24*Rubidium must go back to bed...
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09:33<spongie>Hiya. I'm looking to change the time for a train to stay for n days at a station, but the change time popup never gets focus even though it is shown. Clicking the change time window does not give it focus, typing on the keyboard still acts as if the change time window wasnt there. How do I enter a new value to change the time for the timetable?
09:34<spongie>ok, so if I mouseclick I can enter a number using the mouse, but the keyboard is never focus for the input window.
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09:37<frosch123>does it display a cursor in the editbox?
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09:41<Rubidium>do you use the numbers above the characters on the keyboard, or those on the numeric part of the keyboard?
09:41<frosch123>then the editbox as focus and ottd just does not catch the keypress
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09:41<frosch123>iirc it was broken for sdl in fullscreen somewhat recently
09:41<Rubidium>if it's the latter, is numlock in the right state?
09:42<spongie>Rubidium: using the normal number keys
09:42<Rubidium>frosch123: you remember correctly, based on the logs
09:42<spongie>frosch123: its only in fullscreen yes
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09:43<spongie>well, then it's a known bug, just wanted to make sure i hadnt missed any new input feature
09:44<spongie>thanks for the confirmation that im not too stupid to use the input dialog :)
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09:47<Zuu>Hmm.. I got several GS bugs waiting for me :-)
09:47<frosch123>someone used it apparently :)
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09:56<Zuu>yep :-)
09:57<Zuu>I should be happy about every bug I guess :-)
09:57<@planetmaker>I mean... the story book really is an excellent feature. It kinda opens the door for real scenarios. Time- and situation-dependent ones
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10:08<Zuu>It is useful, yet it doesn't really add anything new as you colud do that before as well using the query windows - just that you had to live with centered text.
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10:09<Zuu>Hmm, compiling on VS2008 with OpenTTD useful 5.1 gives 238 warnings due to missing vc100pdb for ICU
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10:13<TinoDidriksen>So don't use 2008?
10:14<Zuu>It doesn't give any errors though
10:14<Zuu>2008 still use the old and easy way to configure include paths :-)
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10:16<Zuu>If GSs could ask questions or have settings with free text entry answers, then it would possible to create a GS that allows non-programmers to in-game enter texts that the GS should display to players.
10:17<Zuu>Right now someone who want to make a scenario like that need to understand how to make their own GS and how to upload via musa.
10:20<frosch123>Zuu: isn't that what 5.1 fixes compared to 5.0 ?
10:20<Zuu>Perhaps it would be easiest to allow translations if such text entries were part of the GS config and not a dynamic question that the GS asks itself.
10:20<Zuu>frosch123: I don't know. I just got 5.1 (previously had v4 I think)
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10:24<frosch123>Zuu: the farm had those warnings yesterday as well, but they vanished around 23:03
10:24<Zuu>ok, maybe they are temporary
10:24<frosch123>ok, 5.1 is from 19:30, so i guess you need 5.2 :p
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10:39<frosch123>hmm, that failed. let's qpop and go for plan b :)
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10:54<@DorpsGek>Commit by zuu :: r25519 trunk/src/script/api/script_story_page.cpp (2013-06-29 14:54:07 UTC)
10:54<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#5614] (r25342): Select page to update by its id and not the page id
10:55<@planetmaker>nice... some people do read FAQ:
10:55<@planetmaker>or rather known-bugs.txt
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11:38<alluke>someone knows how to take screenshots
11:40<Rubidium>it's the only reliable way
11:44*Alberth uses ksnapshot
11:45<Rubidium>ever tried making a screenshot of a bios with that?
11:45<@planetmaker>in OpenTTD I'd always recommend to use the in-built one
11:45<@Alberth>openttd also has some keys to make several different screenshots, but I don't know which keys, the wiki does know, I think
11:45<@planetmaker>but openttd has no bios :-(
11:46<frosch123>Rubidium: works fine when running ksnapshot on the host os
11:46<Rubidium>also, this colour issue doesn't show up in screenshots made in openttd. Anyhow, the reliable way did speak in the more general sense of making a snapshot of what's on the screen of a computer
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12:13<@DorpsGek>Commit by rubidium :: r25520 trunk/src/os/windows/ (2013-06-29 16:13:41 UTC)
12:13<@DorpsGek>-Fix-ish: don't pretend that trunk is still doing something 1.3-ish in the Windows executable version information
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13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r25521 /trunk/src/lang (7 files) (2013-06-29 17:45:43 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>english_US - 39 changes by Rubidium
13:45<@DorpsGek>german - 40 changes by Jogio, planetmaker
13:46<@DorpsGek>japanese - 48 changes by riolukid
13:46<@DorpsGek>korean - 3 changes by telk5093
13:46<@DorpsGek>spanish - 39 changes by Terkhen
13:46<@DorpsGek>tamil - 16 changes by aswn
13:46<@DorpsGek>turkish - 154 changes by emremeydan
13:51<@DorpsGek>Commit by rubidium :: r25522 /trunk/bin/baseset (8 files) (2013-06-29 17:50:59 UTC)
13:51<@DorpsGek>-Update: baseset descriptions
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14:21<@DorpsGek>Commit by rubidium :: r25523 trunk/src/video/sdl_v.cpp (2013-06-29 18:21:19 UTC)
14:21<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#5587]: SDL does not give an event when an application gets mouse focus while going to full screen, so manually force the mouse-is-in-window state
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16:38<@planetmaker> rocks... everywhere :D
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17:16<Milaga>Hmm... regearing counts as cargo. How can I wait for a full load then? It will never be full if the locomotive has a regearing slot.
17:16<Rubidium>use "full load any"
17:18<Milaga>Oh, that should work if I'm just loading one cargo, yes?
17:18<Milaga>Great, thanks!
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17:25<__ln__>funny, there is a european country that has passenger trains on 100% of the country's railway network, yet no train regularly stops in the country.
17:26<Dr_Tan>so like, one of those tiny countries?
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17:26<Wolf01>no, italy
17:26<Dr_Tan>yeah, exactly
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17:33*Zuu found out that his htpc/home server has possible died. At least it didn't respond on ssh and was really hot even though the power consumption had dropped from 18 to 15 watts. The shop that sold it went bankrupt earlier this year ... :-p
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17:35<__ln__>that's what pc hardware usually is like
17:37<Zuu>This htpc is just one year old.
17:37<Rubidium>so... is Monaco station legally on French grounds or so? It can't be the 300 meter in Vatican city as there's mostly cargo transit there
17:37<Zuu>Have been on 24/7 though - I gues htpcs are not made for that ...
17:38<__ln__>what I'm referring to is Liechtenstein
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17:59<TomyLobo>how do i disable all servicing for a line?
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18:24<@Terkhen>good night
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22:37<Milaga>*sigh* This "US names" NewGRF does not appear to work. It's kind of a pain to go back and change all the landlocked "Pennywinkle-on-sea" towns to something that doesn't sound so English.
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