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04:41<roboboy>hello
04:42<roboboy>where can I download the 1.3.2 RC1 installer from? I can't find a link to other mirros than the US mirror
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04:49<roboboy>I just found someone on the forums posted a link
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05:19<Eddi|zuHause>www.openttd.org -> "links" lists all the mirrors
05:24<peter1139>for some reason my browser/url-handler redirects that link to http://http:www.openttd.org ...
05:33<roboboy>whoopsie
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07:03<alluke>how to make train work with metro track set
07:04<alluke>to be able to run only on those tracks
07:07<alluke>nutracks 3rd rail too
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07:16<Eddi|zuHause>in nml? you define a railtype translation table with an entry "metro_track : [MTRO]" (or "[MTRO, ELRL]" if you want the train to work without nutracks), and then in the vehicle you do "powered_railtype: metro_track"
07:16<Eddi|zuHause>modulo misremembering the exact names :)
07:17<Eddi|zuHause>there is a wiki page about which railtype labels are used
07:19<Eddi|zuHause>this is an example of a (very elaborate) railtype table https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/entry/src/railtype_definitions.pnml
07:20<Eddi|zuHause>" tracktype_default3 : ["3RDR", ELRL]," this is probably the line you want
07:21<Eddi|zuHause>and in the vehicle it's "track_type:"
08:11<alluke>thanks
08:11<alluke>gotta forward that to juzza
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08:27<@planetmaker>alluke, how DutchTrains and OpenGFX+Trains support different railtypes: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/entry/src/railtype_table.pnml
08:28<@planetmaker>it probably could simply be copied. And vehicle track availability adjusted accordingly to that table
08:28<@planetmaker>makes it somewhat universably usable with many trackssets
08:28<@planetmaker>could be extended in the linked file to make it work with all
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09:05<@Belugas>hello
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11:54<@Terkhen>hello
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12:36<@DorpsGek>Commit by rubidium :: r25555 /trunk/src (5 files in 3 dirs) (2013-07-04 16:36:47 UTC)
12:36<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#5632]: [Script] Texts from scripts were not validated before they were shown, causing an assertion to trigger
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13:26<@Alberth>o/
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13:46<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r25556 /trunk/src/lang (10 files) (2013-07-04 17:46:01 UTC)
13:46<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:46<@DorpsGek>catalan - 83 changes by smauleon
13:46<@DorpsGek>simplified_chinese - 44 changes by siu238X
13:46<@DorpsGek>traditional_chinese - 52 changes by siu238X
13:46<@DorpsGek>french - 2 changes by glx
13:46<@DorpsGek>galician - 50 changes by Michi
13:46<@DorpsGek>hungarian - 2 changes by Brumi
13:46<@DorpsGek>japanese - 936 changes by guppy
13:46<@DorpsGek>polish - 3 changes by p0358
13:46<@DorpsGek>slovak - 2 changes by Milsa
13:46<@DorpsGek>thai - 2 changes by nirakanz
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13:52<@Alberth>lots of string updates
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14:04<Eddi|zuHause>"finnish nuclear power station searches PHP developer with SQL knowledge" ...
14:04<Eddi|zuHause>i can't even come up with a snappy comment...
14:04<@Alberth>lol
14:05<@Alberth>let's just hope it for a PR website or so :)
14:08<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: do you have pdp-11 assembler skills?
14:08<Eddi|zuHause>i don't think so
14:09<frosch123>so, is there a php and sql implementation for pdp-11? :)
14:10<frosch123>with a bit of luck there is k&r c compiler
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14:19<@Alberth>given that c was designed for it, that would be likely :)
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14:29<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: i had assumed it's for the one that is currently under construction
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14:32<Eddi|zuHause>"Sarkozy's party UMP will not be reimbursed for the 2012 presidential election campaign, because they exceeded the budget limit of 22.5 Mio €"
14:34<frosch123>you mean, if they exceed it, they get nothingß
14:34<frosch123>?
14:35<Eddi|zuHause>yes, if they stayed below 22.5 Mio €, they would get 50%
14:35<frosch123>that's a funny model :)
14:36<frosch123>did they exceed it my a large sum, or did just someone fail with counting?
14:36<Eddi|zuHause>466k€ or something
14:36<Eddi|zuHause>or 2.1%
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15:31<+glx>Eddi|zuHause: they just have to find 11 Mio € to repay the loan (while their budget is still missing 50 Mio €)
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16:05<@DorpsGek>Commit by rubidium :: r25557 trunk/src/table/object_land.h (2013-07-04 20:05:07 UTC)
16:05<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#5524]: one could build bridges over owned land of another company
16:06<@DorpsGek>Commit by rubidium :: r25558 trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/squtils.h (2013-07-04 20:06:27 UTC)
16:06<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#5568]: [Squirrel] Infinite recursion loop in freeing data via a looping set of references
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16:54<frosch123>night
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17:16<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: Commit by rubidium :: r25559 /branches/1.3 (6 files in 5 dirs) (2013-07-04 21:16:35 UTC)
17:16<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: [1.3] -Backport from trunk:
17:16<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: - Fix: Possible reading of uninitialised memory due to undefined execution order (r25551)
17:16<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: - Fix: [Windows] Race condition between two drawing threads could crash OpenTTD [FS#5571] (r25550)
17:16<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: - Fix: ICU returns the width of the visual run as if the trailing space was added (in case a newline was added). This caused the width to be more than the requested width, but it would still be drawn correctly [FS#5626] (r25547)
17:16<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: (...)
17:20<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: Commit by rubidium :: r25560 /branches/1.3 (12 files in 7 dirs) (2013-07-04 21:20:05 UTC)
17:20<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: [1.3] -Backport from trunk:
17:20<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: - Fix: [Squirrel] Infinite recursion loop in freeing data via a looping set of references [FS#5568] (r25558)
17:20<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: - Fix: One could build bridges over owned land of another company [FS#5524] (r25557)
17:20<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: - Fix: [Script] Texts from scripts were not validated before they were shown, causing an assertion to trigger [FS#5632] (r25555)
17:20<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: (...)
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18:34<Supercheese>Hah, in the new FIRS economy, rather than HEQS trams having less capacity they have more
18:34<Supercheese>or wait
18:34<Supercheese>maybe I've gone from Imperial to metric tons
18:34<Supercheese>yep that was it
18:34<TomyLobo>i want metric fucktons
18:35<Supercheese>tons vs tonnes
18:35<Supercheese>O_o
18:35<Supercheese>I wish we would just abandon the ridiculous system of units we use here and adopt metric
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18:39<Eddi|zuHause>maybe you just should start?
18:40<Supercheese>Fat lot of good it will do for me when every weather forcast uses Fahrenheit, every measurement reports in feet and inches, and so on
18:40<Supercheese>I'm stuck with what I'm given
18:41<Eddi|zuHause>just start giving out directions in 1km, switch your navi to km, get a stack of A4 paper, and yell at everyone why they're still in the 18th century
18:41<TomyLobo>watch british weather then
18:42<TomyLobo>also, internet weather
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18:42<TomyLobo>5 million per steal train and year, woot
18:43<Eddi|zuHause>don't steal trains
18:43<TomyLobo>steel, crap
18:43*TomyLobo is a train pirate yarr
18:44<Supercheese>South of the border, stealing trains was not uncommon
18:44<Supercheese>various Mexican conflicts and wars resulted in stolen trains in many places
18:44<TomyLobo>heh
18:45<Supercheese>They were fond of filling them with high explosives and kamikaze-ing them as well
18:45<TomyLobo>btw, feature request: ctrl-click on buy vehicle fills up the train to the max configured size
18:45<Supercheese>well, without people inside anyway
18:45<Supercheese>I guess that wouldn't be kamikaze, then :\
18:46<Supercheese>new disaster, stolen train filled with explosives
18:46<Supercheese>the graphics are already present
18:48<TomyLobo>there are graphics for a train with explosives?
18:48<TomyLobo>or would you just color some logs red?
18:48<Supercheese>train is irrelevant, there are graphics for explosions, s'what I meant
18:48<Eddi|zuHause>because explosives are transported in big red logs?
18:58<TomyLobo>exactly
18:59<Supercheese>"Why are you planning on filling this train with dynamite and sending it at the enemy?" "It's for a Nobel cause."
18:59<Eddi|zuHause>that is a really really bad joke :p
18:59<Supercheese>Thanks ;)
19:04<TomyLobo>the train will have its 72 virgin trains
19:05<Supercheese>Those run InterCity West Coast franchise, right?
19:07<Supercheese>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterCity_West_Coast
19:07<Supercheese>"Current operator: Virgin Trains"
19:07*TomyLobo slaps Supercheese
19:08<Supercheese>:D
19:08<Eddi|zuHause>that was about my "train of thought" as well, just i have not enough knowledge about these companies :p
19:08*Supercheese cheated
19:08<Supercheese>I wikipedia'd it
19:09<Supercheese>New cargo: Puns. Transport to secondary industry to generate Groans.
19:10<TomyLobo>tertiary*
19:10<Eddi|zuHause>anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-8gV4DJZUw
19:10<TomyLobo>primary cargo would be paper
19:10<TomyLobo>you know, irc paper
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19:11<Eddi|zuHause>TomyLobo: "secondary industry" doesn't mean "second in the chain"
19:11<TomyLobo>ok
19:12<Eddi|zuHause>well, the "simple" definition: primary industry only produces stuff, secondary industry consumes stuff and produces stuff, and tertiary industry only consumes stuff.
19:12<Eddi|zuHause>of course that definition is "wrong" on so many aspects :p
19:14<Supercheese>oh lord, the narration is so bad in that video
19:14<Supercheese>I haven't heard such an emotionless monotone in a while
19:17<TomyLobo>so coal goes from primary to tertiary? :)
19:24<Eddi|zuHause>that's a little skewed, because "energy" isn't a product in TTD
19:24<Supercheese>that can be hacked in ;)
19:24<TomyLobo>battery cars, yay
19:24<Eddi|zuHause>it also fails on ECS/FIRS mines, which accept vehicles/supplies
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20:43<Eddi|zuHause>http://apps.opendatacity.de/stasi-vs-nsa/
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21:35<TomyLobo>i noticed that when i place an excessive amount of penalty signals (backwards path signals) on one branch, my train would rather wait for the other side for a while than to go through the penalty's line
21:36<TomyLobo>Eddi|zuHause das hinkt... tondokumente druckt man nicht aus
21:37<Eddi|zuHause>TomyLobo: if a train changes its opinions where it wants to go, that usually means a penalty changed (e.g. track reservation)
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21:38<TomyLobo>thing is, it slows down and then it does go down the penalty'd line
21:39<Eddi|zuHause>there might also be a penalty threshold where it thinks it's lost
21:41<TomyLobo>hmm ok, i went down from 3 to 2 penalty signals, now it doesnt slow down anymore
21:41<TomyLobo>i hope it still does prevent mainline switching
21:42<TomyLobo>yes it does :)
21:43<TomyLobo>http://tomylobo.dyndns.org/openttd-mainline_switching_prevention.png
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22:39<TomyLobo>is a penalty signal between 2 block signals on a single straight track of any use?
22:40<TomyLobo>what i'm getting at is whether penalty signals work locally or also influence the path of a train at a longer distance
22:43<Eddi|zuHause>the latter
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