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02:18 | <@DorpsGek> | Commit by rubidium :: r25593 /trunk/src/network/core (3 files) (2013-07-13 06:18:16 UTC) |
02:18 | <@DorpsGek> | -Cleanup: remove a few stale #defines |
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02:29 | <andythenorth> | Moin |
02:31 | <@planetmaker> | moin |
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02:32 | <@planetmaker> | quak |
02:32 | <frosch123> | moin |
02:32 | <frosch123> | more sleepless people :) |
02:33 | <@planetmaker> | yeah :-) |
02:34 | <Rubidium> | nah... |
02:39 | <@DorpsGek> | Commit by rubidium :: r25594 /trunk/src/script/api (3 files) (2013-07-13 06:38:54 UTC) |
02:39 | <@DorpsGek> | -Fix-ish: some Doxygen warnings/errors for scripts |
02:41 | <andythenorth> | Early to bed, early to rise |
02:41 | <frosch123> | you have toddlers, you have no power about your wake time |
02:42 | * | andythenorth wonders if ogfx has some 1 tile building to repaint for FIRS trading post |
02:44 | <@DorpsGek> | Commit by rubidium :: r25595 /trunk (5 files in 2 dirs) (2013-07-13 06:44:22 UTC) |
02:44 | <@DorpsGek> | -Fix-ish: move the Doxygen .tag files into objs, so they are automatically ignored and removed upon mrproper/distclean. Furthermore remove the gamedocs folder too |
02:44 | <@planetmaker> | not sure, andythenorth... maybe the saloon? |
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02:49 | <andythenorth> | planetmaker: thanks will look later |
02:50 | <frosch123> | hmm, never saw the "monthly supply" thingie in the station view |
02:50 | <frosch123> | is that a cargodist thing? |
02:51 | <@planetmaker> | @base 16 10 A7 |
02:51 | <@DorpsGek> | planetmaker: 167 |
02:55 | <@planetmaker> | lol, the building I had in mind is the tropical church, andythenorth :-) |
02:56 | <@planetmaker> | http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/entry/sprites/png/houses/trop_4604_church.png |
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03:04 | <Dr_Tan> | are there any grfs that replace food/goods demand from houses with market buildings that appear in cities with large enough populations and demand goods and food? |
03:04 | <Dr_Tan> | that would make delivering them much less irritating |
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03:05 | <@planetmaker> | dunno. maybe you draw some? |
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03:07 | <Supercheese> | FIRS has food markets |
03:08 | <@planetmaker> | even the default game has them. |
03:08 | <Supercheese> | but of course default houses still want goods/food |
03:08 | <@planetmaker> | there's a 2x2 building by default which very much looks like a supermarket |
03:08 | <Nat_aS> | I was thinking having them always be present in any city above X size |
03:08 | <Nat_aS> | like the water tower |
03:09 | <@planetmaker> | the water tower is also not necessarily present ;-) |
03:09 | <Nat_aS> | well in towns with desert tiles it is |
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03:09 | <@planetmaker> | even there not |
03:10 | <Nat_aS> | oh yeah, I'm so used to playing built maps |
03:10 | <@planetmaker> | the tower is an industry. without it present and having water delivered to, a desert town won't grow, though |
03:10 | <Nat_aS> | I never play random |
03:10 | <@planetmaker> | but you can create in SE a BIIIIG desert map w/o tower |
03:10 | <@planetmaker> | possibly even ingame byfunding building construction |
03:10 | <Nat_aS> | SE? |
03:10 | <@planetmaker> | scenario editor |
03:10 | <Nat_aS> | ahh |
03:12 | <Nat_aS> | would be nice if every town had a market for food collection |
03:12 | <@planetmaker> | make a house newgrf |
03:12 | <Nat_aS> | and once it got big enough a shopping mall would be added for goods collection |
03:12 | <@planetmaker> | or first make the sprites |
03:13 | <Nat_aS> | would simplify triatary goods delivery |
03:13 | <Nat_aS> | I hate it when towns stop accepting goods because a house got moved |
03:30 | <@planetmaker> | ah... with k3diff the branch updating works nicer than with vimdiff :-) |
03:31 | <Rubidium> | frosch123: rather from the flow logger, but yes... cargodist could be seen as its origin (just like implicit orders) |
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03:47 | <andythenorth> | planetmaker: that is a good sprite to adapt thanks |
03:47 | <@planetmaker> | very welcome :-) |
03:48 | <V453000> | andythenorth: are there any other new cargoes other than coffee? |
03:48 | <andythenorth> | No |
03:49 | <andythenorth> | All others were already in ttd |
03:49 | <V453000> | ... |
03:49 | <V453000> | I mean any other cargo new in firs which nuts doesnt support yet |
03:49 | <@planetmaker> | he meant the new economy "Heart of Darkness" |
03:50 | <@planetmaker> | other economies didn't change |
03:50 | <V453000> | oh :) hm |
03:50 | <V453000> | well still |
03:51 | <andythenorth> | Typing on ipad slow |
03:51 | <frosch123> | http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/index.php?title=CargoTypes&diff=3423&oldid=3357 <- looks like only coffee |
03:51 | <andythenorth> | I binned frvg as well |
03:51 | <andythenorth> | Uses frut now |
03:52 | <V453000> | omg |
03:52 | <V453000> | well thats fine, frut is what the ttd tropic one is right? |
03:52 | <@planetmaker> | yeah |
03:52 | <andythenorth> | Yup |
03:53 | <V453000> | good then that needs no fixing :D |
03:54 | <andythenorth> | Bbl -going gromit hunting |
03:55 | <andythenorth> | http://www.gromitunleashed.org.uk/ |
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05:05 | <@DorpsGek> | Commit by rubidium :: r25596 extra/masterserver_updater/src/contentserver/handler.cpp (2013-07-13 09:05:11 UTC) |
05:05 | <@DorpsGek> | [MSU] -Fix [FS#5635]: The content server would terminate the connection after 2 minutes if it weren't sending enough data fast enough to fill the operating system's send buffer. For example the content list fits completely in the operating system's send buffer, and as a result it did nu update the 'last activity' counter which meant it would just close the 'idle' network connection |
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05:23 | <Wolf01> | hello |
05:26 | <@DorpsGek> | Commit by rubidium :: r25597 /trunk/src/network (3 files in 2 dirs) (2013-07-13 09:26:11 UTC) |
05:26 | <@DorpsGek> | -Fix [FS#5635]: [Content] When the server closed the connection, the client would for eternity try to read a packet and never timeout making it impossible to reconnect |
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05:27 | <Rubidium> | buongiorno Wolf01 |
05:40 | <Wolf01> | strange, when I check the time in the morning is always 11:38, I think is a clear signal to see that movie... |
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05:59 | <@DorpsGek> | Commit by planetmaker :: r25598 trunk/docs/admin_network.txt (2013-07-13 09:59:09 UTC) |
05:59 | <@DorpsGek> | -Doc: Implications of the asynchronous processing of the rcon content command on send time of ADMIN_SERVER_ADMIN_RCON and ADMIN_SERVER_ADMIN_RCON_END packets |
06:01 | <Xaroth|Work> | planetmaker: got a situation for that? |
06:01 | <Xaroth|Work> | so I can test it |
06:01 | <@planetmaker> | rcon content update |
06:01 | <Xaroth|Work> | k, will check later today |
06:01 | <@planetmaker> | rcon content select * |
06:01 | <@planetmaker> | rcon content download |
06:02 | <@planetmaker> | would do as well, I guess |
06:02 | <@planetmaker> | snytax might slightly vary. written by heart |
06:02 | <Xaroth|Work> | but that still outputs to rcon packets? :o |
06:03 | <Rubidium> | probably not |
06:03 | <Xaroth|Work> | thought so |
06:03 | <Xaroth|Work> | as the RCON_END packet is sent after the redirect is reset to normal |
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06:14 | <@DorpsGek> | TrueBrain: Commit by rubidium :: r25599 /branches/1.3 (24 files in 9 dirs) (2013-07-13 10:13:55 UTC) |
06:14 | <@DorpsGek> | TrueBrain: [1.3] -Backport from trunk: |
06:14 | <@DorpsGek> | TrueBrain: - Fix: [Admin] End-of-rcon data could not be determined reliably for any rcon command [FS#5643] (r25598, r25588, r25587) |
06:14 | <@DorpsGek> | TrueBrain: - Fix: [Content] When the server closed the connection, the client would for eternity try to read a packet and never timeout making it impossible to reconnect [FS#5635] (r25597) |
06:14 | <@DorpsGek> | TrueBrain: - Fix: [Script] Changing the script difficulty level in-game would also change the settings using the default even though they were not allowed to change in-game [FS#5644] (r25592) |
06:14 | <@DorpsGek> | TrueBrain: (...) |
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06:28 | <@DorpsGek> | Commit by translators :: r25600 /trunk/src/lang (38 files in 2 dirs) (2013-07-13 10:28:31 UTC) |
06:28 | <@DorpsGek> | -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: |
06:28 | <@DorpsGek> | traditional_chinese - 8 changes by siu238X |
06:28 | <@DorpsGek> | japanese - 287 changes by guppy |
06:28 | <@DorpsGek> | russian - 1 changes by Lone_Wolf |
06:28 | <@DorpsGek> | tamil - 6 changes by ganesh |
06:29 | <NCG3982> | My god, the eye tracking documentation for the Galaxy S4 is horrible. |
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06:34 | <Rubidium> | シューシュー ;) |
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06:35 | <@planetmaker> | hehe |
06:37 | <@DorpsGek> | Commit by rubidium :: r25601 /branches/1.3/src/lang (6 files) (2013-07-13 10:37:17 UTC) |
06:37 | <@DorpsGek> | [1.3] -Backport from trunk: language updates |
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06:40 | <@DorpsGek> | Commit by rubidium :: r25602 /branches/1.3 (6 files in 4 dirs) (2013-07-13 10:39:57 UTC) |
06:40 | <@DorpsGek> | [1.3] -Prepare: for 1.3.2-RC2 |
06:45 | <@DorpsGek> | Commit by rubidium :: r25603 /tags/1.3.2-RC2 (3 files in 3 dirs) (2013-07-13 10:45:52 UTC) |
06:45 | <@DorpsGek> | -Release: 1.3.2-RC2 |
06:47 | <Eddi|zuHause> | eye tracking is a really dangerous thing... the first thing that will come is that advertisments get paid only if they were seen, the next thing the popups will appear where you're currently looking at, and it can only get worse from that.... |
06:48 | <Eddi|zuHause> | imagine google glass: "you looked at this woman's ass, want to look her up on facebook?" |
06:48 | <V453000> | :D |
06:48 | <V453000> | thats nice |
06:49 | <Eddi|zuHause> | possibly, but you will notice how often you really look at women's asses. |
06:49 | <Eddi|zuHause> | and what if your gf/wife has an app that gets this notice from your app? |
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06:51 | <V453000> | meh then :D |
06:51 | <Eddi|zuHause> | or imagine: "this person looks at kids a lot, alert the authorities that he might become a child molester" |
06:51 | <NCG3982> | Eddi|zuHause: Oh god, true. |
06:52 | * | Rubidium was rather thinking about: "you saw crime XYZ happening and did nothing, you are an accomplice" |
06:52 | <Eddi|zuHause> | or in general "this guy is 98% likely to commit a crime" |
06:54 | <Eddi|zuHause> | there was an american supermarket chain which noticed things like "if a woman buys unscented body soap, and a month later buys vitamin pills, it's 99% probability she's pregnant" and then sent out congratulation letters |
06:55 | <Eddi|zuHause> | and then a guy complained that his 14 year old daughter got such a letter |
06:55 | <Rubidium> | ... which was incidentally pregnant as well (?) |
06:55 | <Eddi|zuHause> | the father turned really quiet the next day :) |
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07:00 | * | Rubidium is happy they don't seem to be doing such things here |
07:00 | <Rubidium> | generally they are harshly frowned upon when they do such things |
07:01 | <Eddi|zuHause> | you really think they're not doing that? |
07:01 | <@planetmaker> | they're harshly frowned upon when someone makes it public that they do such things |
07:01 | <Rubidium> | they're doing it to some extent |
07:01 | <Eddi|zuHause> | maybe not sending out personalized letters, but reorganizing store layouts and stuff |
07:02 | <Rubidium> | Eddi|zuHause: but that is generally datamining without getting personal information like address and name |
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07:03 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Rubidium: think of what kind of data they collect to determine your credit rating |
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07:04 | <Rubidium> | I know of one time when they willingly broke the rules and weren't punished for it. Someone was putting rat poison into some food, so everyone that bought food they had a suspicion of containing rat poison was contacted by the supermarket (which is IMO the right use of such data) |
07:05 | <@planetmaker> | that's somewhat different, yes |
07:05 | <Rubidium> | Eddi|zuHause: here all debs are registered at some organisation, including whether you paid them on time or not |
07:06 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Rubidium: i mean things like "this guy bought a cheaper brand of cigarretes than he used to" |
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07:20 | * | Zuu_ got no customer card for groceries, though I usually pay using thr same card, so if they record a token based on my card Id they could track me whithout me getting any bonus. :p |
07:26 | <Eddi|zuHause> | about half the time i pay in cash, but that probably doesn't help a lot either |
07:27 | <@planetmaker> | they likely do that, Zuu_ :-) |
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07:35 | <frosch123> | Eddi|zuHause: it's recorded under "the guy that pays in cash" |
07:35 | <frosch123> | http://xkcd.com/1105/ |
07:36 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i'm sure if you're running a basic pattern matching algorithm over a bunch of cash paid bills with the items that were bought, you can easily split them up between individual people. assuming they buy there regularly |
07:42 | <Eddi|zuHause> | frosch123: that only works if there are two guys with very similar license plates :) |
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07:45 | <Eddi|zuHause> | oh crap, tiny insect season has begun |
07:48 | <frosch123> | get more big insects |
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07:50 | <Eddi|zuHause> | or just don't open the window for the next 6 weeks |
07:50 | <zooks> | brr, thinking of the enormous bugs in my room in Zimbabwe |
07:51 | <Eddi|zuHause> | we had a rather big bug while picking cherries last week |
07:51 | <Eddi|zuHause> | about this long <----------> |
07:51 | <Eddi|zuHause> | and green! |
07:51 | * | frosch123 switches to 320x200 resolution |
07:51 | <frosch123> | green is fine! |
07:52 | <Eddi|zuHause> | metallic green |
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07:52 | <frosch123> | unicorn-coloured? |
07:52 | <Eddi|zuHause> | lack of comparison :p |
07:52 | <zooks> | http://i.imgur.com/f6eV9cz.jpg |
07:53 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but unicorns are usually described as bright white :) |
07:53 | <frosch123> | zooks: that looks like 20 cm |
07:53 | <frosch123> | Eddi|zuHause: most are rainbow |
07:53 | <frosch123> | or pink |
07:53 | <zooks> | frosch123, with antennas I'd estimate it on 15cm |
07:54 | <zooks> | it was on my bed :) |
07:54 | <Eddi|zuHause> | wait, you didn't actually get a ruler out? |
07:54 | <Xaroth|Work> | oeh, grats on r25600 |
07:54 | <zooks> | no, I squashed it with a large book |
07:55 | <Eddi|zuHause> | the poor thing :( |
07:58 | <zooks> | Is it true that the tour the France is being denied by the German media? |
07:58 | <@planetmaker> | "there is no tour de France"? :-P |
07:59 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yes-ish, but that has been going on for years now |
08:00 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i don't know how it is this year, but one of the previous years when the doping scandals stacked up, channels stopped the live broadcast |
08:00 | <@planetmaker> | who cares anyway? |
08:00 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it's probably still on eurosport |
08:00 | <@planetmaker> | Tour de Dope |
08:01 | <Eddi|zuHause> | and they still report highlights and stuff |
08:01 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i haven't watched in years |
08:01 | <zooks> | Some German riders are doing very well, so I was wondering whether they would be acknowledged in Germany |
08:02 | <@planetmaker> | it's reported, yes |
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10:12 | <@DorpsGek> | Commit by rubidium :: r25604 trunk/src/vehicle.cpp (2013-07-13 14:12:14 UTC) |
10:12 | <@DorpsGek> | -Fix [FS#5550]: Only the front engine's date of last service was updated |
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11:03 | <@DorpsGek> | Commit by rubidium :: r25605 trunk/src/script/api/script_rail.cpp (2013-07-13 15:03:42 UTC) |
11:03 | <@DorpsGek> | -Fix [FS#5641]: [Script] If a NewGRF returned station type that could not be built by an AI via callback 18, an unknown error would be thrown instead of falling back to the default station |
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12:19 | <V453000> | does an univ railtype newGRF need to redefine the other railtypes in order to be compatible with them? |
12:19 | <V453000> | cause I made a railtype with compatible_railtype_list: ["UNIV", "RAIL", "ELRL", "MONO", "MGLV", "WETR", "UNI1", "UNI2","UNI3","UNI4","UNI5","UNI6","UNI7","UNI8"] and powered the same, but neither of those tracks are compatible with it |
12:19 | <V453000> | with nuts or without |
12:19 | <V453000> | thing is http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2391/ |
12:21 | <V453000> | UNI1-UNI8 are various new rails but for some reason I cant get any trains to be able to drive on them |
12:21 | <V453000> | why :s |
12:21 | <@planetmaker> | you don't need to re-define them. You just need to list their labels as compatible |
12:22 | <@planetmaker> | and / or as powered on. Or introduced by / introducing |
12:22 | <V453000> | I did both of them |
12:22 | <V453000> | not the introducing ones though |
12:22 | <V453000> | but the UNIV rail I have NUTS works without that too |
12:23 | <V453000> | http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2392/ |
12:24 | <@planetmaker> | you might want to go even further. And also add some labels from other railway sets |
12:24 | <V453000> | it doesnt work atm so cant do that yet |
12:24 | <@planetmaker> | universal rail surely needs neither 'introduces railtype XX' nor 'requires railtype XXX being introduced' |
12:25 | <V453000> | with only the rail newGRF loaded, no trains from rail,elrl,mono,or mglv can drive on it |
12:25 | <@planetmaker> | what you *might* set is the 'alternative_railtype_list' - a list of railtypes which it will act as plug-in for, if they are not defined |
12:26 | <@planetmaker> | oh, hm. yes |
12:26 | <@planetmaker> | you need to set the compatibility of the *other* railtypes to the universal |
12:26 | <@planetmaker> | so indeed you need to define that property for those |
12:27 | <V453000> | right, so I need to re-define all of the railtypes too |
12:27 | <V453000> | hmm |
12:27 | <@planetmaker> | you can really do that very simplistic: only that single property need be set |
12:27 | <@planetmaker> | that suffices |
12:27 | <@planetmaker> | no graphics, no knowledge about any other property needed |
12:27 | <V453000> | right |
12:28 | <@planetmaker> | just re-defining a single property. :-) |
12:28 | <V453000> | will try, question number 2 inc soon :P |
12:28 | <@planetmaker> | btw, I'd guard that by a check for the railtypes availability |
12:29 | <@planetmaker> | as in the example on http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Railtypes |
12:29 | <@planetmaker> | first paragraph |
12:29 | <V453000> | mhf |
12:32 | <V453000> | nice, re-defining seems to work |
12:32 | <@planetmaker> | http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2393/ |
12:33 | <@planetmaker> | untested and likely buggy, though ;-) |
12:33 | <V453000> | oh like that |
12:33 | <V453000> | hmm |
12:34 | <V453000> | I have to admit I dont care about people who add too many railtypes together but hm |
12:40 | <@planetmaker> | well... but makes it more fail-proof |
12:41 | <@planetmaker> | with little effort, I'd think |
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12:41 | <V453000> | I might try to add it after I have something working :) |
12:41 | <@planetmaker> | that's a good idea surely :-) |
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13:03 | <V453000> | which might be the case very soon :) |
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13:45 | <@DorpsGek> | Commit by translators :: r25606 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2013-07-13 17:45:20 UTC) |
13:45 | <@DorpsGek> | -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: |
13:45 | <@DorpsGek> | german - 5 changes by Jogio |
13:45 | <@DorpsGek> | japanese - 1 changes by guppy |
13:45 | <@DorpsGek> | korean - 4 changes by telk5093 |
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15:16 | <dihedral> | planetmaker, http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/changeset/25598/ |
15:16 | <dihedral> | that looks to me like the RCON_END packet is absolutely useless |
15:16 | <@planetmaker> | yes. no. maybe :-) |
15:17 | <Rubidium> | it is for asynchronous stuff |
15:17 | <@planetmaker> | afaik only when content is called |
15:17 | <Rubidium> | but that's effectively two things, and by the looks of things those asynchronous replies are not even sent back via rcon |
15:18 | <Xaroth|Work> | and even in the case of async stuff, it's an ack. |
15:18 | <Rubidium> | so if you download via rcon you have no clue whether it's down, unless you manage to get the non rcon console stuff |
15:18 | <andythenorth> | @seen snail |
15:18 | <@DorpsGek> | andythenorth: snail was last seen in #openttd 13 weeks, 5 days, 20 hours, 33 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <Snail> new japanese anime :p |
15:20 | <dihedral> | ah - ok |
15:20 | <dihedral> | and just for the reference ... the ping pong patch was mine you had committed. just in case you were looking for the other :-P |
15:21 | <@planetmaker> | I committed the paste Xaroth gave me |
15:21 | <Xaroth|Work> | i gave pastes? |
15:21 | <@planetmaker> | when all of us talked in the afternoon |
15:21 | <Xaroth|Work> | i uploaded patches to the flyspray |
15:21 | <@planetmaker> | well... 17:xx that day |
15:21 | <@planetmaker> | :D |
15:21 | <dihedral> | dih uploaded pasts :-P |
15:21 | <Xaroth|Work> | i did a few pastes as well |
15:22 | <dihedral> | Xaroth|Work, used 'payload' and public methods, dih used d1 and private methods :-D |
15:22 | <Xaroth|Work> | but the final version was sent to flyspray |
15:22 | <dihedral> | none the less Xaroth|Work you did good work :-) |
15:22 | * | dihedral likes |
15:22 | <@planetmaker> | sorry, if I then mis-attributed the patch, dihedral |
15:24 | <@planetmaker> | you win a beer in two weeks :D |
15:26 | <dihedral> | planetmaker, nah - that's fine, i just wanted to point it out, that's all |
15:26 | <dihedral> | just in case... |
15:27 | <dihedral> | you never know if there were intentions to commit a patch from one person and accidentially swapped the two patches ;-) |
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15:46 | <dihedral> | to be honest, i enjoy the admin port receiving commits :-P |
15:46 | <dihedral> | so that alone made my day :-) |
15:47 | <dihedral> | planetmaker, you did forget though about the completion of the GameScript patch... but i do think i need to revise it :-P |
15:48 | <@planetmaker> | :-) |
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16:06 | <dihedral> | good night :-) |
16:06 | <@planetmaker> | g'night dihedral |
16:22 | <frosch123> | @topic set 1 1.3.1, 1.3.2-RC2 |
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16:26 | <@planetmaker> | good night from here, too |
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16:44 | <frosch123> | night |
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18:07 | <Wolf01> | 'night |
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18:34 | <Elukka> | where do you get old nightlies? |
18:36 | <Elukka> | ah, there they are |
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21:17 | <Elukka> | huh. |
21:17 | <Elukka> | some change in openttd must have broken the ford model t in long vehicles since last time i played |
21:17 | <Elukka> | it has 0 kN tractive effort and moves at 2 kph :D |
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