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00:58<SamanthaD>why is svn telling me to relocate my checkout from to
01:01<@planetmaker>hm... good idea: the pool cabrio :D,20808047,highRes,maxh,480,maxw,480,3cz45026.jpg
01:03<krinn>did you notice the road full of water behind it :)
01:03<@planetmaker>they really filled it totally with water. That's real
01:03<SamanthaD>that boat is backwards...
01:04<SamanthaD>the boat is supposed to go in the water...
01:04<SamanthaD>not the other way around
01:04<krinn>that must be so funky when taking turns
01:04<krinn>(the car)
01:04<SamanthaD>oh my god, that IS a car! O.O
01:04<@planetmaker>I guess. But for a bit cruising :-) probably cool during this weather
01:04<krinn>lol SamanthaD
01:05<krinn>planetmaker, you may also notice how cool it is by checking the water cleaness
01:06<@planetmaker>that car was caught yesterday by police. Mostly as it drove around w/o license plate :D
01:06<krinn>no place for a pump : well, that guy just create the fastest mosquito incubator
01:06<@planetmaker>maybe a drain down?
01:06<@planetmaker>easy to pull the plug then
01:06<krinn>lmao you see how clean the water is
01:07<SamanthaD>it's pretty dirty...
01:07<SamanthaD>I wouldn't drink it O.O
01:07<krinn>imo he count more on keep adding water and let the sun remove some
01:07<SamanthaD>so... is someone planning on making a NewGRF of the amazing carboat?
01:08<krinn>SamanthaD, seriously even not drinking, would you expose, well, the lower part of your body in such a dirty water ?
01:08<SamanthaD>what if I were wearing one of those rubber pants things that they give to incontinent people?
01:09<krinn>Adding more ridiculous to that car is doable with those rubber pants yes
01:09<SamanthaD>damnit! now I'm itchy!
01:10<krinn>should wrote to the guy to insult him ! how could he didn't put a boat horn on it !
01:11<SamanthaD>or a boat wheel!
01:12<Supercheese>or an outboard motor
01:12<Supercheese>put a big fan on it, get some extra thrust
01:13<SamanthaD>what about a boat with a self-propelled launch trailer?
01:13<krinn> :)
01:18<SamanthaD>why the heck is svn demanding that I checkout from instead of!
01:20<Supercheese>I dunno
01:21*SamanthaD would really rather not trust the man-in-the-middle with handling the integrity of a binary to run on my computer >.>
01:23<krinn>it's more to protect eyes from seeing it while transfering it, md5... are there for the alteration protection.
01:23<SamanthaD>the md5 can be altered just as easily as anything else
01:23<SamanthaD>you protect against alteration with public key cyphers
01:24<SamanthaD>RSA as implemented in SSL, for example
01:24<SamanthaD>MD5 is good for checking against accidental corruption though
01:25<@planetmaker>against all corruption really
01:25<SamanthaD>but not a MitM attack
01:25<SamanthaD>a MitM would just regenerate the MD5
01:25<krinn>lol how would your man in middle can calc the md5 of a flow of datas
01:25<@planetmaker>encryption is to keep it secret. checksums to ... check integrity
01:26<SamanthaD>krinn: they wouldn't. They would redirect the stream entirely to an evil mirror that contains the contaminated code plus doctored MD5
01:26<SamanthaD>encryption can also be used to check integrity via cryptographic signing
01:27<krinn>SamanthaD, you are speaking of men that are more than good, but so dumb they do all this shit instead of hacking your computer that would be easier and faster
01:28<@planetmaker>anyway, have a good day all :-)
01:29<SamanthaD>later planetmaker :3
01:29<krinn>bye planetmaker
01:29<SamanthaD>krinn: how do you think you hack a computer ;)
01:30<krinn>certainly more easy than trying to hack a server to let it hack finally your target computer
01:31<SamanthaD>you don't have to hack the server
01:31<SamanthaD>you just have to poison my comuter's DNS pool
01:31<SamanthaD>computer, not commuter
01:31<SamanthaD>if you poison a commuter it's a rather more serious affair
01:32<krinn>well, considering if those kind of guys were at work against you, yes, i would say it's a serious affair
01:33<SamanthaD>I'm not paranoid, I'm just for security best-practices
01:33<krinn>Are you that SamanthaD that keep writing me email to transfert your father's money from cameroun because he cannot do it but will grant me 20% reward ?
01:34<SamanthaD>no, but she sounds pretty legit
01:34<krinn>i nearly fall from my chair, sounds pretty legit :D
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05:07<Aristide>Alberth: o/
05:07<Aristide>Alberth: You ? HERE ? :o
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05:35<@Alberth>no I am not :)
05:37<Xaroth|Work>he's over there
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06:01<SamanthaD>oh hey guys!
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07:03<Xaroth|Work>o/ dih
07:12<__ln__>the forecast is 34° for saturday
07:12<TrueBrain> <- I just had to do that :P
07:14<TrueBrain>__ln__: can we assume planetmaker has a pool ready then?
07:23<dihedral>I am driving up from Karlsruhe - is there anybody on the way who wants/needs a lift?
07:25<Aristide>34°C here too
07:28<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: it's supposed to be the warmest weekend of the year
07:28<Eddi|zuHause>thanks to Yohannes
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07:59<Eddi|zuHause>there should be a "manual" in "normal" language, and a "fucking manual" using a lot of swear words :p
08:15<zooks>or just link to the kamasutra as fucking manual
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08:35<Eddi|zuHause>wrong emphasis :p
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08:57<V453000>good one zooks :D
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09:32<LordAro>afternoon all
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09:39<Madis>Good evening. I'm wondering if it is possible to change OpenTTD strings via newGRF. newGRF specs state that Action4 feature 48 does not work with OpenTTD and translations must be done via webtranslator, so I'm not sure I can rename stuff with GRF. Can I?
09:40<krinn>if to rename stuff in newGRF you need Action4 feature 48 i think you have the answer no?
09:40<Madis>Was thinking about changing the Company Manager face dialog to a company logo dialog which could be customised but that would require ui text changes as well
09:40<Madis>I'm just asking if there is another way
09:41<krinn>oh, no idea then
09:44<Eddi|zuHause>Madis: there was once a discussion about a mapping between (TTD-Original) GRF string IDs and OpenTTD's internal string IDs, but i don't remember if that was actually implemented. if it was, then a few special strings could be changed by NewGRF, but not all
09:45<krinn>Could you implement the logo stuff without translating text ?
09:45<krinn>If you get a company with "McDonald" logo and bellow the company president name, i don't see a problem
09:51<Madis>well yes I could, but I dont want to. Change the nosehair of McDonald's just does't feel right
09:51<Eddi|zuHause>Madis: src/newgrf_text.cpp has the mapping
09:51<Eddi|zuHause>Madis: add your string there
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10:10<Eddi|zuHause>Madis: note that this will only allow changing the strings that are there in TTD already, not the additional OpenTTD strings (e.g. the 'advanced' selection)
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10:22<Eddi|zuHause>Madis: something like this:
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10:25<Eddi|zuHause>it's a bit nasty that the OpenTTD-order is button-tooltip-button-tooltip-... while the TTD order is button-button-...-tooltip-tooltip-...
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10:27<krinn>Eddi|zuHause, look
10:28<krinn>:) lol in a sec
10:28<Eddi|zuHause>you only get one free highlight per day. the next one costs 10€
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10:29<krinn>i forget to run it with logging, rerun
10:30<krinn>dbg: [script] [1] [I] AIEngine.CanPullCargo (false) : PASS(0)
10:30<krinn>dbg: [script] [1] [I] AIEngine.CanPullCargo (true) : VALU(10) STEL(9) IORE(8) WOOD(7) GRAI(6) GOOD(5) LVST(4) OIL_(3) MAIL(2) COAL(1) PASS(0)
10:31<krinn>the false is with callback 08 enable
10:31<krinn>dbg: [script] [1] [I] AIEngine.GetName : B IX (K.Bay.Sts.B.)
10:31<Eddi|zuHause>B sounds like a branch line engine
10:32<krinn>per default only allow passengers
10:32<__ln__>does anyone need anything finland-ish?
10:32<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: you had some candy last time?
10:33<__ln__>yeah, i did, and i'm taking the same with me again
10:35<Eddi|zuHause>krinn: <-- this file contains the mapping between "usage description" and "pulls only passengers" flag
10:36<krinn> log of that engine
10:36<Eddi|zuHause>krinn: if you look up the engine in the available vehicles menu, it should say "usage: passengers" or "usage: branch line" or something
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10:38<krinn>cannot lookup as i don't get the 08 value
10:39<krinn>but it should be set to STR_USAGE_PASSENGER i think
10:41<Eddi|zuHause>what's a "08 value"?
10:42<krinn>wait picking the right name :)
10:43<krinn>ai_special_flag (nfo property 08)
10:43<krinn>it's the name you gave me
10:44<Eddi|zuHause>oh, that. yes
10:46<Eddi|zuHause>"BIX B IX (K.Bay.Sts.B.) express bav 1 core 1874 1887"
10:46<Eddi|zuHause>this is really early in the game, or did you enable "vehicles never expire" again?
10:47<krinn>expire off, but 1920
10:47<Eddi|zuHause>the line above says "available between 1874 and 1887"
10:48<krinn>ah yes vehicle never expire was back on
10:50<Eddi|zuHause>i should make a warning "this set should be played with 'vehicles never expire OFF'"
10:50<krinn>you autochange train on date ?
10:50<Eddi|zuHause>a few graphics change when visiting a depot
10:51<Eddi|zuHause>only repainting, no stats change
10:51<krinn>lol hopefuly
10:52<krinn>push date to 1660 list of wagons is impressive
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10:53<Eddi|zuHause>yes, i should remove some wagons if not playing with speed limit or axle weight limit
10:53<Eddi|zuHause>the wagons are mostly untested
10:54<Eddi|zuHause>also the purchase prices
10:54<krinn>and by that date, i get the default wagons too, so the list get big
10:54<Eddi|zuHause>hm? default wagons should be disabled
10:55<krinn>dbg: [script] [1] [I] 913 - Open wagon is not default one ?
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10:56<krinn>dbg: [script] [1] [I] 1171 - Personenzugwagen (Doppelstockgliederzug) :P
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10:58<Eddi|zuHause>no, open wagon is probably not the default.
10:58<Eddi|zuHause>the default wagons are called "ore wagon", "coal wagon", etc.
10:58<Eddi|zuHause>krinn: shouldn't that be in english?
10:59<krinn>Eddi|zuHause, think so yes
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11:00<krinn>all others are in english (from the current list i see)
11:00<krinn>and it means something in their name
11:00<krinn>dbg: [script] [1] [I] 1151 - Accelerated-passenger car (reconstructed})
11:01<Eddi|zuHause>entire train is one wagon-set
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11:04<Eddi|zuHause>krinn: that's probably a simple oversight
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11:05<+tokai|noir>I remember riding those kind of trains as kid. Especially second floor was always fun :)
11:05<krinn>it's a tall one
11:06<Eddi|zuHause>tokai|noir: searching for people who can draw :)
11:10<+tokai|noir>Eddi|zuHause: drawing is the easy part, finding time to draw the hard part :D
11:14<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: I can draw straws, do I then qualify?
11:14<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: if i'm desperate enough... :p
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13:00<Madis>I was away, now I can thank you Eddi, so thank you :)
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13:31<LordAro>ok, my friendly Linux gurus. I am going to replace my HDD, and I about the best size of partitions (/, /home, ...) to use (for a 2TB drive)
13:32<LordAro>any advice?
13:32*Rubidium would just go for the 1 partition solution
13:33*__ln__ would go for the separate /home solution
13:33<krinn>i always / /home & /boot
13:35<Xaroth|Work>I always dump everything on /
13:35<gynter>1) use lvm
13:36<gynter>or zfs :)
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13:36<Xaroth|Work>hah @ lvm
13:36<gynter>/boot /home /var /tmp
13:36<Xaroth|Work>that fs caused me more issues than any other
13:36<gynter>and /
13:36<gynter>lvm != fs btw
13:36<jankol>Hi guys!
13:36<gynter>And if you have problems with lvm then you should learn how to use it correctly :)
13:37<gynter>also, noexec and nosuid to /tmp
13:37<gynter>I also reccoment to encrypt all, except / and /boot obviously
13:37<Eddi|zuHause>i usually have /, <windows>, /boot and /home
13:37<gynter>also encrypted swap
13:37<Xaroth|Work>no, if i have problems with it it did something I didn't tell it to do
13:37<Eddi|zuHause>i don't have swap partitions
13:37<LordAro>i've looked into lvm, but it looks scary
13:37<krinn>only trust ext3&4
13:37<Xaroth|Work>it's not -that- scary
13:38<Xaroth|Work>it just has some loopholes
13:38<Xaroth|Work>that can cause issues
13:38<gynter>doesn't most distros use lvm by default already?
13:38<krinn>i don't need a fancy FS that would make this or that, i need one that works and don't loose my datas for nothing
13:38<Xaroth|Work>not by default
13:38<Xaroth|Work>mostly as default option
13:38<Xaroth|Work>but you usually get the choice
13:39<gynter>dunno, haven't installed linux for a long time :D
13:39<krinn>i always look at brtfs lovers with a "what the fuck" in my eyes
13:39<Xaroth|Work>it gets extremely funny if you get them into a brtfs vs zfs discussion
13:39<jankol>Got question, can't find answer in google/wiki. How can I disable train reversing on stations? There's no option in advanced options, in config there is only "reverse_at_signals = false". I've got 1.3.1 version running on ubuntu.
13:40<krinn>jankol, trains never reverse at stations, they do at signal and end of line, if station is end of line...
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13:41<gynter>For worstation I'd use LMDE with Cinnamon and for server FreeBSD
13:41<LordAro>i think i'll avoid lvm for now
13:41<jankol>Well... I've built one that is not end of line, it's got a loop to ... I'll make a screenshot
13:41<krinn>LordAro, if you don't need it, don't use it
13:41<Eddi|zuHause>jankol: it might be filtered out, select "advanced settings" or "all settings" at the top
13:42<LordAro>krinn: i don't know if i need it D:
13:42<krinn>LordAro, then you know you don't need it
13:42<@Rubidium>LordAro: then you don't need it ;)
13:42*krinn beat Rubidium by 1s !
13:42<gynter>I use lvm because of crypto :)
13:42<LordAro>2, according to me
13:43<gynter>and easier to resize partitions
13:43<@Rubidium>crypto is pointless anyhow, at least here
13:43<LordAro>ok, so assuming fixed partition sizes, what sizes should i go for? (or, percentage)
13:43<gynter>crypto is never pointless
13:43<Xaroth|Work>I haven't found a single use for crypto on my machines
13:43<Xaroth|Work>other than wasted cpu cycles
13:43<LordAro>and actually, what particular partitions should i use?
13:43<jankol>Eddi|zuHause: big thanx, didn't notice the filters in the advanced options ;-)
13:43<Xaroth|Work>LordAro: 100% /
13:44<krinn>i only see crypto good for laptop, if some random guys stole it, while people use crypto against cops, lol like if the guy won't be force to gave the crypto pass to them :)
13:44<gynter>Xaroth|Work: depends what you hold on that computer, I have data which should never get to hands of common people (eg if someone stoles the laptop)
13:44<gynter>krinn: they also need the certificate :P
13:45<LordAro>Xaroth|Work, so you don't bother with separate /home, /swap etc? why?
13:45<gynter>s/certificate/key/ (scumbag brain)
13:45<krinn>gynter, they need nothing but you
13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r25626 trunk/src/lang/turkish.txt (2013-07-24 17:45:08 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>turkish - 4 changes by wakeup
13:45<@Rubidium>gynter: for some reason not giving the password to the cops when they suspect there's something on it gives you (generally) way more trouble (read: jail-ish time) than just giving the password
13:45<gynter>They can't jail you for that
13:45<gynter>you just tell that you don't remember and thats all
13:45<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: something is definitely wrong there...
13:45<Xaroth|Work>obstruction of justice?
13:46<Xaroth|Work>impeding with an ongoing investigation
13:46<gynter>they have to prove that you remember for that
13:46<Xaroth|Work>it's your laptop
13:46<Xaroth|Work>you use it
13:46<Eddi|zuHause>it *used* to be that you cannot be forced to give up information that could be used against you
13:46<gynter>still, too much preassure, i forogot, sry, shit happens
13:46<Xaroth|Work>they only have to make it plausible that you can remember it
13:47<Eddi|zuHause>(or your next of kin)
13:47<gynter>Eddi|zuHause: depends on the country where you live :P
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13:48<gynter>but ok, what ever :P
13:48<Eddi|zuHause>gynter: once upon a time it was in the definition of a "free" country, that they obey the basic human rights
13:48<gynter>LordAro: I reccomend you to read
13:48<gynter>there are lots of topics on the issue
13:48<gynter>what partitions, how large etc
13:48<gynter>what filesystems etc
13:48<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: that's kinda the point. They can't quite force you to decrypt it, but if they ask and you reject you are immediately seen as suspect in the case
13:48<@Rubidium>except when you are already the suspect, then they cannot force you to decrypt it
13:49<gynter>but still, they have to prove you guilty
13:49<krinn>Rubidium, yeah the "oh nothing to hide but don't want us to look"
13:49<LordAro>gynter: i have been, but it seems to be a 'whatever you think is best' sort of thing
13:49<LordAro>hence i asked here :)
13:49<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: yes. it's the same as a "voluntary" DNA-test
13:49<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: like "we test all males between 20 and 40 in a 100km radius"
13:50<krinn>they just try to stole your dna to avoid the huge test of all males
13:50<Eddi|zuHause>and everyone who refuses the "voluntary" test, gets "special attention"
13:50<krinn>want a coffee bud ?
13:50<krinn>yeah thx love to gives my dna away
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13:53<Eddi|zuHause>the point is, you really *should* reject the test, because even if you know you are innocent, you could be related to the person they search
13:53<Eddi|zuHause>and a DNA test will reveal that
13:54<krinn>and it could me money (as they do all this with our money)
13:59<krinn>who add project to devzone?
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14:51<LordAro>hey zuu
14:52<zuu>Hello LordAro
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14:56<Eddi|zuHause>hm... need to mirror something along a diagonal, but i can't find a series of "easy" transformations that will get me there...
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14:56<Eddi|zuHause>just a horizontal and verticall mirror will be a rotation, not a mirroring
14:57<frosch123>mirror + rotate 90
14:58<Eddi|zuHause>not square
14:58<frosch123>mirroring has order 2 (or whatever you call it)
14:58<frosch123>so you can only mirror once, no matter what
14:58<frosch123>not square?
14:59<frosch123>you are mirroing at a line in 2d space, right?
15:00<frosch123>i can only mirror on hyper-surfaces
15:05<Eddi|zuHause>well, i guess it's more complicated than a simple mirror. i have a rectangle (0:a)x(0:b) and the line (0,0)-(a,b), and want the points (0,b) and (a,0) mapped on each other, the other points likewise.
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15:06<Eddi|zuHause>so it might be scale to square, mirror, scale back to rectangle
15:06<frosch123>quak :)
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15:09<Eddi|zuHause>scaling is bad. it screws everything up :/
15:11<Eddi|zuHause>the theory was good, but the rescaling to original size has rounding problems
15:11<frosch123>if you want to map (a,0) tro (0,b), then you do not mirror on the diagonal
15:11<frosch123>unless a == b
15:12<frosch123>so, do you want [0, a/b; b/a; 0] ?
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15:15<frosch123>i mean, there not many linear mappings, which map two specific points to each other (resp. an affin-linear one which maps 3 points to each other)
15:17<Eddi|zuHause>the mapping is linear, and there are "enough" points that should map to each other. so yes, the formula is easy enough :)
15:19<Eddi|zuHause>but, can i give a matrix transformation to GIMP?
15:21<frosch123>scale it to smalles common multipel square then :p
15:24<Eddi|zuHause>i did that
15:24<Eddi|zuHause>but the result is only sort-of-right
15:24<Eddi|zuHause>GIMP has some weird scaling
15:25<Eddi|zuHause>the scaling and the rotation are not exact enough
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15:41<krinn>anyone to grant me a place @devzone ?
15:41<V453000>that evil planetmaker
15:41<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: disable anti-aliasing or whatever
15:42<Eddi|zuHause>it's not anti-aliasing, it's just inaccurate
15:42<frosch123>use "colour from nearest" scaling
15:42<frosch123>there is no inaccuarcy in scaling up by integer factors
15:42<George>who else but planetmaker can access devzone server?
15:43<George> see the error log
15:43<George>It's not the set errors burt server errors
15:43<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: scaling up is ok, the scaling back down is the problem
15:44<Eddi|zuHause>^Spike^ messed around with stuff yesterday
15:44<Eddi|zuHause>i haven't seen Ammler in a while
15:45<Eddi|zuHause>(that was for George)
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15:45<V453000>Eddi|zuHause: get photoshop, CS2 is for free :P
15:45<V453000>seriously :)
15:46<V453000>on adobe
15:47<Eddi|zuHause>needs signup?
15:47<frosch123>V453000: why bother with the software, if the problem is on the chair?
15:47<V453000>signup is terrible enough if you get quality software? :)
15:48<Eddi|zuHause>V453000: what do i need quality software for?
15:48<V453000>fair enough
15:49<Eddi|zuHause>i should just write a program for my transformation myself :/
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15:49<krinn>there's still the possibility to just drop making that transformation too
15:52<krinn> shouldn't you use that Eddi|zuHause looks nice vs your "i don't have a pic" trains
15:53<Eddi|zuHause>i have something more complicated in the works :)
15:53<krinn>and the wagon name in german looks longggg normal?
15:53<Eddi|zuHause>german words are statistically longer than english words, yes :)
15:54<krinn>no, the wagon length
15:54<Eddi|zuHause>oh, yes. the wagons are longer than normal
15:54<George>V453000: Have you read the download agreement?
15:54<Eddi|zuHause>they are actually not, but they are made of 3 parts that appear longer
15:54<George>Adobe has disabled the activation server for CS2 products, including Acrobat 7, because of a technical issue. These products were released more than seven years ago, do not run on many modern operating systems, and are no longer supported.
15:54<George>Adobe strongly advises against running unsupported and outdated software. The serial numbers provided as a part of the download may only be used by customers who legitimately purchased CS2 or Acrobat 7 and need to maintain their current use of these products.
15:54<krinn>ultra long yes, i'm not sure 2 will fit in a 5 tiles stations
15:55<V453000>George: hm that mus be new
15:55<Eddi|zuHause>krinn: well you do record the length of each vehicle?
15:55<Eddi|zuHause>1 tile = 16 length units
15:55<Eddi|zuHause>most wagons are 12 or 13 length units
15:56<Eddi|zuHause>some wagon sets are very long chains (like MUs and stuff)
15:56<George>V453000: you mean prevously they offered to download CS2 for free without any restrctions?
15:57<V453000>yes, with the keys you got
15:57<V453000>and now they say the keys are only for those people who got them previously, I guess
15:57<V453000>the agreement certainly wasnt there when this was released
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15:57<George>There are keys, but you are not allowed to use them if you are not legal owner of CS2
15:58<V453000>idk, it worked for me when I tried it before
15:58<Eddi|zuHause>V453000: even NEW adobe software is dangerously full of abusable bugs and loopholes. what makes you think i'm going to install _outdated_ versions?
15:58<krinn>:) having it working doesn't make it legit
15:58<George>You mean that you have carefully read the agreement and there was no restrictions?
15:58<V453000>the new cloud is actually so bullshit that everybody uses cs6 or even portable versions now
15:59<Eddi|zuHause>that wasn't the question
15:59<Eddi|zuHause>i suppose "cs6" is still maintained for security issues etc.
16:00<V453000>idk what abusable bugs are you talking about
16:00<V453000>cs2 still does work quite well
16:00<krinn>lol i'm not sure "abode" and "maintenance" or "security" are compatible words
16:01<krinn>only oracle can be seen as dolphin for the adobe crown
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16:09<Eddi|zuHause>no, i'm staying away from adobe software
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16:29<^Spike^>Eddi|zuHause what's borked?
16:29<^Spike^>what did i miss?
16:30<Eddi|zuHause>^Spike^: George has a problem. not sure what
16:30<^Spike^>already see pm is on it aswell....
16:30<^Spike^>and well.. for Ammler i'll just leave that for now.... have to work with what i got...
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18:37<Eddi|zuHause>"according to US government data, 92% of all prisoners in guantanamo were never Al Quaida fighters"
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18:48<fjb>But by now some more of them are...
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20:26<SamanthaD>The SVN repository is officially bonkers...
20:27<SamanthaD>if I try to checkout from '' it wants me to use '' but if I use that one it complains that I ought to be using ''
20:27<SamanthaD>it's a loop!
20:27<SamanthaD>*gets dizzy and falls down*
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20:47<+glx>SamanthaD: why not use svn:// ?
20:49<SamanthaD>glx: I'd rather use an SSL or an SSH tunnel if I can at all help it
20:51<+glx> should work as it works in the browser
20:53<+glx>just tested, it works for me
20:53<SamanthaD>it's worknig for me too
20:53<SamanthaD>thank you VERY much!
20:53<+glx>checkout the whole repo is never a good idea :)
20:54<SamanthaD>bandwidth shmandwidth
20:54<SamanthaD>also, someone maybe ought to fix the links in the developer's section of the website then
20:55<+glx>they are correct
20:56<+glx>they just don't specify trunk
20:56<SamanthaD>well, I'm happy
20:57<+glx>I guess it's assumed people will add /trunk or whatever branch they want to checkout
20:58<SamanthaD>ah, yes, probably
20:58<SamanthaD>either way, I wanted trunk and that's what I'm still apparently downloading
20:59<SamanthaD>I gotta hand it to free-and-open-source development
20:59<SamanthaD>you don't often find proprietary games with Luxembourgish translations...
21:00<+glx>oh there are more obscur languages available too :)
21:00<SamanthaD>I know
21:00<SamanthaD>I'm watching the translation files roll in
21:00<SamanthaD>apparently there's no Lojban
21:00<SamanthaD>though I think I saw Esperanto
21:01*SamanthaD begins her Klingon translation
21:03<SamanthaD>nah, I honestly don't think anyone cares about an OpenTTD Klingon translation
21:05<SamanthaD>also, apparently there's no klingon word for locomotive so... we're kinda hosed
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23:55<NGC3982>SamanthaD: It's a great idea, but i'm sure it would not be used more than as a novelty.
23:56<SamanthaD>NGC3982: What, the Klingon translation? :p
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