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---Logopened Thu Jul 25 00:00:25 2013
00:01<NGC3982>Yes
00:05-!-roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd
00:12<SamanthaD>'twas kinda a joke :p
00:13<SamanthaD>that being said... some locomotives in OpenTTD *DO* have cloaking devices!
00:13<SamanthaD>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=56672
00:13<NGC3982>:D
00:13<SamanthaD>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=62672
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01:45<roboboy>since when did OpenTTD get an Australian ENglish translation?
02:00<@planetmaker>moin
02:02<peter1139>roboboy, 16:04:58 on 3rd Jan 2012
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03:03<Xaroth|Work>so, is the text upside-down then?
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03:23<andythenorth>so it's lomo? https://twitter.com/TycoonSim/status/360099362413617152/photo/1
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03:33<peter1139>old
03:39<Aristide>Hi !
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03:50<dihedral>good morning
03:51<Xaroth|Work>o/
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04:17<SamanthaD>andythenorth: those are some really windy viaducts...
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04:19<krinn>hi
04:20<SamanthaD>hey!
04:20<Aristide>dihedral: o/
04:22<SamanthaD>I kinda like how smartphones have almost lead to a renaissance of 2d games
04:22<SamanthaD>it seemed like in the late 90s and early turn of the century everyone and their mother was working with a 3d engine whether it made sense or not
04:23<SamanthaD>*cough* Nintendo64 *cough cough*
04:24<Aristide>:)
04:24<Aristide>SamanthaD: I have a NES EMulator on my Nintendo DS :x
04:24<Aristide>And SNES
04:24<SamanthaD>I freaking love NES and SNES
04:24<Aristide>And GB / GBA
04:24<SamanthaD>the N64 can go ahead and die for all I'm concerned though
04:25<Aristide>SamanthaD: Many games are very good on N64
04:25<Aristide>Mario Kart 64, Mario party 3 <3
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04:25<SamanthaD>I suppose... I just get dizzy really easily with 3d graphics
04:26<SamanthaD>I also really like sprite graphics for some nostalgic reason
04:26*krinn don't want play any game, except pong : real men don't play pussy games with colors.
04:27<SamanthaD>haha!
04:27<SamanthaD>Let's hear it for ZZT!
04:27<SamanthaD>best graphics EVER
04:29<krinn>i once own an hercules video card, *cough* was top card with 4 or 7 colors i don't remember, ~1200euros (by that time)
04:29<SamanthaD>Wow... that's... expensive
04:30<krinn>hmmm, by that time, a computer was ~3000
04:31<krinn>i think my first game was sram
04:31<krinn>let me see if i can find you a pic :)
04:31<krinn>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ADnMIT5JFI :D
04:32<SamanthaD>I kinda missed out on the super early computers since my parents were luddites (still are) and barely saw the value in a television, let alone those "new fangled business machines"
04:32<SamanthaD>I can't remember exactly how old I was but my first computer was a second hand Mac Plus
04:32<SamanthaD>my first game was Reader Rabbit
04:33<SamanthaD>oh my! those are actually some swanky graphics
04:33<krinn>yeah, but my monitor was amber only
04:33<SamanthaD>haha, that does make a difference
04:34<SamanthaD>I discovered classic games in reverse
04:34<SamanthaD>I got reader rabbit when I was real little on my first computer then when I was 13 or 14 or something I got a PC with Starcraft
04:34<krinn>yeah, the card was rendering from black to yellow with like 4-6 browns
04:34<SamanthaD>then I reached adulthood and got my hands on a Z-Machine interpreter and all hell broke loose ;)
04:36<SamanthaD>though... I did play with ZZT a lot when I was little
04:36<SamanthaD>and netreck :p
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04:38<krinn>never played zzt myself
04:39<SamanthaD>Setting up DosBox to play ZZT is on my "things to do" list
04:39<SamanthaD>ZZT was an old game engine thing where you could make your own (mostly action/adventure) games
04:40<SamanthaD>it was very primitive
04:40<SamanthaD>there was another "advanced" version of it but I can't remember the name
04:40<SamanthaD>anyway, I did my first coding in ZZT :p
04:41<peter1139>http://www.acornelectron.co.uk/ills/bugbyte/s-tk001.gif
04:42<peter1139>Good stuff
04:42<SamanthaD>I never played that one
04:42<krinn>i brough a lynx computer (lol company collapse 1 week after)
04:43<SamanthaD>heh... that must have been the pits
04:43<krinn>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Camputers_Lynx_48k.JPG
04:43<krinn>i was really made with the qwerty keyboard by that time
04:45<peter1139>All those early companies went tits up, except Apple...
04:45<SamanthaD>and IBM
04:45<SamanthaD>and Xerox
04:45<peter1139>IBM never really targetted the home user market though.
04:45<SamanthaD>and Amiga, actually
04:45<SamanthaD>did you know Amiga is still puttering along?!
04:45<peter1139>the PCjr flopped though...
04:45<SamanthaD>yup
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04:46<SamanthaD>I honestly don't know why people use AmigaOS anymore
04:46<peter1139>Amiga was a product...
04:47<SamanthaD>it's like... all the downsides of running a desktop GNU/Linux ten years ago only without the freedom
04:47<SamanthaD>oh yeah... made by Commodore, you're right
04:47<SamanthaD>point is, they still make AmigaOS
04:47<peter1139>commodore don't :)
04:47<SamanthaD>:p
04:48<SamanthaD>yeah...
04:48<peter1139>RISC OS is still developed to
04:48<peter1139>+o
04:48<peter1139>(but not by Acorn)
04:48<SamanthaD>so is BeOS
04:48<SamanthaD>there's even a FOSS clone of it
04:49<peter1139>i've never met anyone who ever used beos
04:49<SamanthaD>me either
04:50<peter1139>hmm, wonder if GEM is still going
04:50<SamanthaD>let's look it up...
04:54<SamanthaD>apparently not
04:54<SamanthaD>according to Wiki the last stable release was in 1988
04:54<SamanthaD>https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Gem_11_Desktop.png
04:54<SamanthaD>it's amazing we all didn't go blind
04:54<peter1139>looks like windows 8
04:55<SamanthaD>HAHA!
04:55<peter1139>all flat :)
04:55<peter1139>i remember another proprietory desktop system that didn't make it, but i don't remember its name :(
04:55<peter1139>had a "nice looking" (at the time) interface with raised buttons etc
04:55<SamanthaD>mmhm... a lot of proprietary desktops died
04:56<SamanthaD>with freedom comes immortality
04:56<SamanthaD>I don't think X11 will *ever* die
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04:56<SamanthaD>much to all of our disappointment ;)
04:56<peter1139>ubuntu will!
04:56<SamanthaD>oh god... Unity
04:56<peter1139>never used it but ... urgh, ubuntu
04:57<SamanthaD>Ubuntu: We put spyware on your freedoms!
04:57<SamanthaD>I used Unity for a very SHORT while
04:57<peter1139>trying to raise $32,000,000 on indie gogo...
04:57<krinn>i would put my bet on xorg, but x11 life will get hard imo
04:57<peter1139>canonical is no indie company :S
04:57<SamanthaD>back when it first came out and was still known as "Ubuntu Netbook Remix" it was actually pretty useful
04:57<SamanthaD>those saved ten pixels really helped when your screen barely had more resolution than a cellphone
04:58<SamanthaD>oh, I kinda subsumed xorg into "x11"
04:58<SamanthaD>after all, it IS a fork
04:58<krinn>but the fork reason should be why x11 life will get harder now
04:58<SamanthaD>does anyone actually use vanilla x11 anymore?!
04:59<SamanthaD>hmm... probably the same people who use OpenOffice.org
04:59<krinn>:)
04:59*peter1139 mumbles about the current crop of toolkits making remote X11 useless
04:59<krinn>oracle so
04:59<SamanthaD>yes... that is sad
04:59<SamanthaD>and Wayland doesn't even have network terminals in its specifications last I looked
05:00<peter1139>nope, they're going the vnc-type way
05:00<SamanthaD>honestly, VNC isn't all that bad
05:00<SamanthaD>it's not appropriate for servers though
05:00<peter1139>well
05:00<SamanthaD>that being said, what are you doing running a desktop on a server in the first place?!
05:01<peter1139>x11/wayland aren't appropriate for servers either :p
05:01<SamanthaD>exactly
05:02<SamanthaD>well... they're appropriate when the server in question is the "meat" behind a bunch of headless workstations!
05:03<peter1139>that's kinda different though
05:03<krinn>hdd weren't cheap
05:03<SamanthaD>yup
05:03<peter1139>and hopefully that'll be on a lan
05:03<SamanthaD>nah, I enjoy lag
05:03<peter1139>token ring? heh
05:03<SamanthaD>HAHA
05:03<peter1139>yeah, thin-computing is kinda dead since laptops are so cheap
05:03<peter1139>well actually no
05:04<peter1139>thin-computing has turned into web-computing
05:04<SamanthaD>or at least since "nettops" are so cheap
05:04<peter1139>reading the ubuntu blogs the other day (i'm crazy) and they're all about web shit and amazon cloud shit...
05:04<peter1139>and the gnome blogs... they're lamenting that nobody uses gnome anymore, it's all web-apps that people use
05:05<peter1139>i dunno what planet they're all on but i loathe the concept of web apps for real work :S
05:05<SamanthaD>nowadays I'd venture to say it's cheaper to buy five Atom based nettops with enough power to do their own hosting than five thin clients and their server
05:05<SamanthaD>YES!
05:05<SamanthaD>I can't believe that Ubuntu would embrace the cloud
05:05<SamanthaD>actually, I can
05:06<peter1139>i still use an email client, heh
05:06<SamanthaD>the cloud makes money
05:06<SamanthaD>me too
05:06<peter1139>but they all put their trust in the likes of gmail
05:06<peter1139>sigh
05:06<SamanthaD>but then again, we're using IRC so...
05:06<peter1139>true
05:06<peter1139>i'm kinda obsolete :S
05:07<SamanthaD>we're using IRC on a channel about a project to reverse-engineer an old game for the sake of software freedom
05:07<SamanthaD>I don't think you'll find many supporters of the "cloud" here
05:07<krinn>no, but i support clowns
05:07<SamanthaD>clowns are awesome
05:08<krinn>that's why i love gnome
05:08*peter1139 has a £15... cheque... o_O
05:08<krinn>cannot be anything but clowns making it
05:08<peter1139>they're pretty obsolete
05:08<SamanthaD>I used to love Gnome until they got the idea that user preferences "hurt brand identity"
05:09*krinn think peter1139 should raise its prize, it's too cheap for such a sexy body
05:09<peter1139>krinn, they're only concerned about "brand" now :(
05:09<SamanthaD>yeah
05:09<SamanthaD>I'm so grateful to XFCE
05:09<peter1139>can't have themes! ruins our brand
05:09<SamanthaD>I don't know what I would have done if it din't exist
05:09<peter1139>xfce isn't as consistent as gnome 2 was
05:09<krinn>well, i still use gnome, but v2
05:09<SamanthaD>true, but it's pretty nice
05:10<SamanthaD>and I know I'd never get my mother to use Openbox
05:10<peter1139>problem with gnome is the gnome devs don't use it
05:10<peter1139>they're all on os x and, again, web-apps
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05:10<SamanthaD>I get enough requests for tech support at ungodly hours. I don't need to explain how to format a text configuration file every time she wants to change the desktop image.
05:10<peter1139>i'm sure it's lovely if all you need is a maximized web browser...
05:10<SamanthaD>wait... seriously?!
05:11<krinn>no, the problem with gnome (and many linux prog) is redhat
05:11<SamanthaD>(ps: I love OpenBox, don't get me wrong)
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05:12<SamanthaD>what gets me is all the forks of Gnome3
05:12<krinn>i know gnome2 fork but some guys fork gnome3 ?
05:12<SamanthaD>Yeah, it's called Cinnamon I think
05:12<krinn>i see the point to fork gnome2, but forking gnome3, no i don't get why
05:13<SamanthaD>it looks pretty nice but a lot of it is currently rather hacked together and some clown coded in a routine that makes the window manager suck about 3-5% of my CPU at idle
05:13<SamanthaD>I brought it up with the devs and they tell me that it's working as expected
05:13<peter1139>yeah, well, i actually hate all this composite crap
05:14<SamanthaD>krinn: eyecandy
05:14<peter1139>sure it offloads stuff to the gpu, but... it never feels as fast
05:14<SamanthaD>that's because it isn't as fast
05:14<peter1139>and my 8800gt isn't exactly low end, although nothing like high end any more
05:14<SamanthaD>also, I like my GPU idling on a laptop
05:15<SamanthaD>I've measured the power draw on my batteries and compositing can cost me an extra 1-2W of power
05:16<SamanthaD>you know what really peeved me about Gnome3 though, more than anything else?
05:16<krinn>yeah
05:16<peter1139>that they ruined gnome 2?
05:16<krinn>it's not gnome 2 ?
05:16<SamanthaD>the way that they bundled end-user apps so tightly with the DE that you almost couldn't use anything else
05:16<SamanthaD>Epiphany instead of Pidgin
05:17<peter1139>empathy is so buggy :(
05:17<peter1139>half the time it won't open chat windows for me
05:17<SamanthaD>yes, and they refuse to support OTR out of principle
05:17<peter1139>it actually worked better in gnome 2
05:18<SamanthaD>"If you want encryption you should use a protocol that has encryption built into its specification"
05:18<peter1139>which is... none
05:18<SamanthaD>XMPP I think has support for it
05:18<SamanthaD>but most clients don't
05:18<krinn>that's gnome guys, fucked up gnome2 by doing a crappy running gnome3 that is l33t for nothing but battle against another crappy desktop (unity) and then crying nobody likes gnome anymore
05:18<SamanthaD>:p
05:19<krinn>and none seems to see why...
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05:20<SamanthaD>I can't believe that Debian defaults to Gnome3
05:20<SamanthaD>have you seen Debian's implementation of Gnome3?
05:20<peter1139>i'm using it
05:20<SamanthaD>it's so heavily patched that it's barely recognizable
05:20<SamanthaD>what do you think of it?
05:20<peter1139>well... sucks compared to gnome 2
05:21<peter1139>i've not used an unpatched version of it though
05:21<SamanthaD>peter1139: Debian's implementation of XFCE is actually pretty swell. Just say'in
05:21<peter1139>i went back to using windowmaker for a bit but some things didn't work right
05:21<peter1139>xdg-open on a directory opened a web browser... good stuff
05:22<SamanthaD>I remember back when I first discovered Gnome
05:22<SamanthaD>it was *awesome*
05:22<peter1139>corba!
05:24<SamanthaD>corba?
05:24<peter1139>early gnome was all about corba linking things together
05:24<SamanthaD>ooooh
05:24<SamanthaD>I dunno... it was a long time ago
05:25<SamanthaD>all I remember was it was cleaner than KDE
05:25<SamanthaD>and my pointer didn't hop around as much
05:26<SamanthaD>I'm not a big KDE fan but I'm glad it's around
05:26<SamanthaD>a lot of these newcomers seem to insist on desktop sparkle
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05:32<krinn>you know what's bad with random playlist : hear t.n.t from ac/dc after bach air, it hurts
05:33<SamanthaD>hehe
05:34*SamanthaD is listening to Eastern Orthodox liturgical music
05:36<SamanthaD>the choir sounds HUGE but because of the construction of the domes of Russian churches, specifically the indentations in the roof, it causes a rather complex echo delay
05:36<SamanthaD>specifically designed to make a choir sound three or four times as large as it actually is
05:36<SamanthaD>I think that's just the coolest thing
05:37<krinn>could be interresting to listen to that yes
05:38<SamanthaD>look up the monks of Kiev-Pechersk Lavra
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05:40<SamanthaD>add on the basso profundo and it's <3
05:41<krinn>wow nice looks like lisa gerard
05:41<SamanthaD>what does?
05:41<krinn>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IomHi-d7Gqw
05:42<SamanthaD>500 internal server error :p
05:42<SamanthaD>ah, there we go
05:43<krinn>try some dead can dance then :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do5vj3D-OD4
05:44<SamanthaD>oh yeah, I was just listening to that!
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05:44<SamanthaD>oooh, good sounds
05:45<krinn>i love dead can dance, i'm big fan
05:45<SamanthaD>can see why
05:45<krinn>lisa gerrard is the lady, she also sing many movie tunes, like gladiator soundtrack
05:46<SamanthaD>you know what question I hate? "What kind of music do you like?"
05:47<krinn>oh it's easy for me, anything but !rap
05:47<SamanthaD>haha
05:47<SamanthaD>what about hip-hop or R&B?
05:47<krinn>i like
05:47<SamanthaD>me too
05:48<SamanthaD>it's like "Well, earlier I was enjoying Prokofiev but now I'm listening to dubstep remixes"
05:49<krinn>:D
05:49<SamanthaD>... on my headphones
05:49<SamanthaD>for some reason dub makes people around me complain
05:50<SamanthaD>wha... wha... wha... thumthumthumthumthumthum
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05:50<krinn>going to ear what dubstep is :)
05:50<SamanthaD>haha, sec, link
05:50<lugo>Start off with "Distance" :)
05:51<SamanthaD>how did I not know about this "distance" thing!?
05:51<krinn>well, i will keep my distance from that thing :P
05:52<krinn>looks like rap without voice ^^
05:52<SamanthaD>nah, the beat gets funkier
05:52<SamanthaD>that's more like D&B
05:52<krinn>i like drum & bass
05:52<SamanthaD>me too
05:53<krinn>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd8WjeK8riE top one!
05:56<SamanthaD>bass!
05:57<SamanthaD>I actually got introduced to electronica a long time via a MIDI sequencer :p
05:58<SamanthaD>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i16V-SzExuk
05:58<SamanthaD>that will get you more complaints, I guarantee it
05:58<SamanthaD>but... if you're into it it's pretty darn good
05:59<krinn>lol looks like amiga good old days mod
05:59<SamanthaD>heheeeee
05:59<krinn>lmao 4 tracks only
05:59<SamanthaD>I think the sequencer I was using had unlimited tracks
06:00<krinn>:) lookout doctor awesome
06:00<SamanthaD>hehee
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06:02<SamanthaD>I think analog synthesizers are amazing
06:02<SamanthaD>I wish I had one
06:02<SamanthaD>"It's the size of a church organ and does two octaves!"
06:03*krinn would be fine having a church, even without organ or analog synth
06:03<SamanthaD>what would you do with it?
06:03<krinn>play music as loud as the speakers could handle :)
06:04<SamanthaD>haha! it's a plan!
06:04<SamanthaD>you can use my amp
06:05<krinn>love the reverb church have
06:05<SamanthaD>I got a 100W amp a while ago when I got my new speakers thinking it would be a good idea. I used my multimeter on the leads a while ago and discovered I reach the threshold of pain around 10-15W :p
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06:06<krinn>:D
06:08<SamanthaD>I think if I were to do it over again I'd get one of those absolutely tiny 20-or-so watt digital amps
06:08<krinn>i think i can goes with a cathedral as well
06:08<SamanthaD>they come with a bishop!
06:09<krinn>another human, despite the status he think he have, so he can be kick out
06:10<SamanthaD>oh come now! bishops can rock out just like the rest of us :3
06:10<SamanthaD>and with their pointy hats they're epic when they head bob
06:11<blathijs>SamanthaD: How do you measure that with a multimeter? Measure AC voltage and then to P = V^2 / R ? (with R = speaker impedance)?
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06:12<SamanthaD>blathijs: the method I used was to run a sinusoidal test tone through the speakers and measure voltage and amperage
06:13<SamanthaD>which... admittedly is a flawed measurement
06:13<peter1139>analogue synths are way expensive :(
06:13<SamanthaD>they are
06:14<SamanthaD>I have this fantasy of building a barrel organ in the attic
06:14<SamanthaD>the console in the living room and the tubes horizontally mounted in the attic
06:15<SamanthaD>my neighbors would hate me
06:15<peter1139>heh
06:15*peter1139 fiddles with xfce
06:15<SamanthaD>like it?
06:16<SamanthaD>I actually prefer it to Gnome2
06:16<peter1139>that was quaint, coming back to find a xscreensaver prompt :)
06:16<SamanthaD>I KNOW!
06:16<peter1139>gnome 3... where you don't get to choose your screensaver anymore...
06:16<SamanthaD>you can't
06:17<blathijs>SamanthaD: Sounds like it would work :-)
06:17<SamanthaD>blathijs: the organ in the attic?
06:18<peter1139>hmm, how do i set the primary monitor in xfce
06:18<blathijs>No, the power measurement on your speakers :-)
06:18<SamanthaD>blathijs: oh right!
06:18<blathijs>organ would be cool too :-p
06:18<SamanthaD>peter1139: I'm honestly not sure...
06:19<peter1139>i tried xrandr with --primary but no luck :S
06:19<SamanthaD>peter1139: there has to be some way to do it...
06:19<peter1139>oh balls, i turned off the left display, turned it on again, and now it's mirrored instead o_O
06:20<SamanthaD>https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=25884
06:21<SamanthaD>unfortunately, also, Debian froze about a week or two before XFCE 4.10 came out >.>
06:21<peter1139>hee, that's freaky, left monitor is flipped horizontally
06:21<SamanthaD>I'm still bitter about that
06:21<SamanthaD>peter1139: check the displays panel
06:22<peter1139>yeah that's where i am. seems pretty useless :(
06:23<SamanthaD>yeah... sorry 'bout that
06:23<SamanthaD>I hope you work through the multi-monitor blues because the DE is otherwise really swell
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06:26<peter1139>hmm, can't test OTR in pidgin cos... nobody else cares, and just uses skype or facebook chat o_O
06:26<SamanthaD>you could chat with me :p
06:26<SamanthaD>I more-or-less bullied my friends into installing an OTR plugin :p
06:27<peter1139>i can't get them to use xmpp either :(
06:27<SamanthaD>mmhm
06:27<SamanthaD>a lot more people use XMPP now that Google Chat uses it
06:27<peter1139>except they're stopping that
06:28<SamanthaD>THEY'RE WHAT?!
06:28<SamanthaD>I thought they were just deemphisizing it
06:28<SamanthaD>are you saying that my XMPP account is going to stop working?!
06:28<peter1139>s2s is/will be stopped at least
06:28<SamanthaD>those bastards!
06:29<SamanthaD>ah well... I stopped using Google for websearches a long time ago
06:29<SamanthaD>as far as I'm concerned they can go take a hike
06:29<peter1139>android phones are so tied in to it :(
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06:29<SamanthaD>who said I use a cellphone? :p
06:29<peter1139>most people do
06:30<peter1139>thunar is about 1 million x faster than nautilus, interesting
06:30<SamanthaD>instead of using a cellphone I sit down in my chair once a month and stare at a crisp 100 dollar bill that I wouldn't have otherwise have had ;)
06:30<peter1139>ahh... my work pays for mine :p
06:30<SamanthaD>hehe
06:32<SamanthaD>I might consider a 100% FOSS cell phone
06:32<peter1139>lol
06:32<SamanthaD>but as of now that's kinda a pipe dream
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09:54<@planetmaker>looks like your railtype issue http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5258 @ Eddi|zuHause ?
09:54<Eddi|zuHause>planetmaker: yes
09:55<Eddi|zuHause>planetmaker: can close that as fixed, then
09:55<@planetmaker>is it fixed?
09:55<Eddi|zuHause>yeshttp://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/50bec7c0ba44
09:56<@planetmaker>oh :-) nice
09:56<Eddi|zuHause>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/50bec7c0ba44
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10:17<fjb>Moin
10:18<Xaroth|Work>o/
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12:09<@Alberth>hi hi
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12:23<fjb>Quak frosch123
12:23<@Alberth>quak
12:23<@Alberth>quak fjb!
12:23<fjb>Moin Alberth
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12:25<frosch123>moin :)
12:25<DanMacK>Hey all
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12:26<DanMacK>Andy ever around these parts lately?
12:27<frosch123>@seen andythenorth
12:27<@DorpsGek>frosch123: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 9 hours, 3 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <andythenorth> so it's lomo? https://twitter.com/TycoonSim/status/360099362413617152/photo/1
12:27<DanMacK>cool
12:27<frosch123>usually he joins also in the evening
12:27<frosch123>in 2 hours or so
12:28<V453000>what :D brunswick = braunschweig?
12:28<V453000>confused = me
12:28<DanMacK>Cool, I've been so out of the loop it ain't funny
12:28<V453000>is brunswick like an international name for it?
12:29<V453000>pm? :D
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12:31<frosch123>V453000: the opposite
12:31<frosch123>local dialect
12:32<frosch123>oh both
12:32<V453000>oh?
12:32<frosch123>so, the local name and the english name match more with each other, than with the regular german name :p
12:32<frosch123>engishl: brunswick, german: braunschweig, local: brunswiek
12:32<V453000>:D
12:33<fjb>Brunswiek is the old name from the midle age. It changed over time and became Braunschweig.
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12:52<fjb>Oh, there are "new" new stations.
12:52<Eddi|zuHause>V453000: how did that navi-project of yours turn out?
12:53<V453000>project is fine, cant seem to contact smatz though
12:53<@planetmaker>:-(
12:55<@planetmaker>you tried his mobile number? and land line one?
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13:01<Eddi|zuHause>http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20130725.png
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13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r25627 /trunk/src/lang (brazilian_portuguese.txt vietnamese.txt) (2013-07-25 17:45:16 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>brazilian_portuguese - 62 changes by Tucalipe
13:45<@DorpsGek>vietnamese - 35 changes by myquartz
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14:15<Wolf01>o/
14:15<@Alberth>hi hi
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14:24<V453000>hm, thing: I have a station long 5, train long 5 too (original trains so consisting of 8/8 units), I have a train with orders to go into that station twice in a row, both set on <far end>. How is it possible that the train does not reverse after each visit, if it should have been at the <far end> already before?
14:25<V453000>aka it always just moves like 1px forward to revisit the station
14:25<V453000>never departs from the station, only keeps turning around
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14:26<@planetmaker>it always travels to the far end from the POV of its current position :-)
14:27<@planetmaker>as it's at one end, it turns. And the notices "oh, I'm at the end"
14:27<V453000>it stays at the one end without turning
14:27<V453000>and as both train and station are equally long, it shouldnt even happen
14:29<Eddi|zuHause>i'm not sure about the current implementation, but in Ye Olden Times the stopping position was more around 12/16 of the tile than at the end
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14:30<Eddi|zuHause>so from there you have about 3 further stopping positions (where the engine slightly overlaps to the next tile)
14:30<V453000>o_O
14:31<Eddi|zuHause>then the train would reverse every 4 stops
14:31<V453000>but why :d
14:31<V453000>it should logically reverse after 1 stop if it at <far end>
14:32<Eddi|zuHause>if it were the "really far end", the engine would always stick out of the platform
14:32<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: that was fixed i believe, at least the bounding boxes no longer move when reversing
14:32<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: i think you're talking about a different thing here
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14:48<@Alberth>hi super cheese
14:48<@planetmaker>nom nom
14:50<Supercheese>Mmm, cheese
14:51*Supercheese makes breakfast
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16:45<fjb>I need a flat habour for rivers...
16:46<Eddi|zuHause>yes.
16:46<Eddi|zuHause>NewDocks
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17:22<LordAro>Rubidium/whoever: there is a typo in the 1.3.2-RC2 changelog: managable -> manageable
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17:30<Eddi|zuHause>is there an easy "hg" way of separating several hunks of the same file into different commits?
17:32<frosch123>i usually just split the diff
17:32<frosch123>hg qnew, hg qpop, edit, hg qimport, hg qpush, hg qfinish
17:34<Eddi|zuHause>that's about what i just did, just i used hg diff, edit, patch -p1 -R, commit, patch -p1
17:37<frosch123>night
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21:49<UnnamedUser>Hi
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22:55<xDraKx>Can someone tell me a great and HARD AI BOT opponents to play against?
23:02<xDraKx>Can someone tell me a great and HARD AI BOT opponents to play against?
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