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#openttd IRC Logs for 2013-07-28

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02:45<dihedral>fjb: authentication problems? :-P
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02:49<dihedral>TrueBrain: ping :-P
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02:57<@Terkhen>good morning
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02:59<dihedral>Hello Terkhen
03:01<Tom_Soft>Hello!
03:01<@planetmaker>good morning
03:01<@planetmaker>dihedral, you can come over for breakfast now :-)
03:02<dihedral>i was hoping to hear if i can pickup ln
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03:05<__ln__>gm
03:05<dihedral>Yay
03:06<dihedral>I pick you up
03:06<__ln__>i'll pack my stuff and check out, that'll take less than 30 mins i hope
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03:18<dihedral>ln: i am infront of the hotel
03:19<__ln__>ok, a few minutes
03:20<@planetmaker>Xaroth|Work: LIES!
03:21<dihedral>The breakfast here smells better than where i stayd
03:22<dihedral>Planetmaker: just like Eddi|zuHause :-P
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03:37<dihedral>Ding dong
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04:49<Wolf01>hello
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04:51<LordAro>heyo
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04:51<Wolf01>hello Aro
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04:52<LordAro>hi wolf
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05:26<LordAro>fix your internet fjb_mobile :P
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06:06<LordAro>right, that's it. rebuilding system time
06:07<LordAro>see you all on the other side (hopefully)
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06:29<andythenorth>Moin
06:32<Aristide>andythenorth: Hi
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06:36*SamanthaD waves to people
06:37*Aristide push SamanthaD o/
06:37<SamanthaD>hey Artistide
06:38<Aristide>:)
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06:39<SamanthaD>so, been quiet?
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06:40<Aristide>SamanthaD: No, its too hot here :(
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06:40<Aristide>My fan has turned all night
06:40<SamanthaD>Ah yeah, I know how that works
06:41<SamanthaD>I usually leave a fan on at night unless it's in the middle of winter
06:41<SamanthaD>and even then sometimes
06:41<SamanthaD>a small fan, pointed away from me
06:41<SamanthaD>(I can't sleep without the noise)
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06:43<peter1139>same here
06:43<peter1139>except not a small fan
06:43<Aristide>x)
06:43<Aristide>Good appetit o/
06:43<SamanthaD>HA!
06:44<peter1139>using a 2' fan last night
06:44<SamanthaD>we have those new digital electric meters here so I was playing with it the other day
06:44<SamanthaD>our attic fan when turned on full blast draws 1.5kW
06:44<SamanthaD>how's that for "not little"?
06:44<peter1139>:D
06:44<peter1139>i think mine is only 200W or so
06:45<SamanthaD>it's this four foot diameter fan with a motor as big as my head
06:45<SamanthaD>I love it so much
06:45<peter1139>my little a/c unit can't cope with the heat :(
06:45<peter1139>heh nice
06:45<SamanthaD>only run it about 30 seconds to flush the attic of hot air
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06:46<Wolf01>I'm fine here, closed in my little room, in front of 2 23" monitors, playing a game, without fans, and the floor is lava
06:47<SamanthaD>the floor is always lava!
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06:47<SamanthaD>am I the only one who doesn't dual-head her monitors?!
06:47<Xaroth|Work>yes
06:47<peter1139>apparently
06:47<TWerkhoven>pretty much
06:47<SamanthaD>I always use laptops though...
06:48<peter1139>well that's different
06:48<peter1139>although you can get dual screen laptops
06:48<Xaroth|Work>or hook a screen to a laptop
06:48<peter1139>bah, why are thinkpads so expensive in the uk? :(
06:48<SamanthaD>actually, a DIY project I've been contemplating has been to modify an old laptop whose motherboard is fried and connect up the monitor to its former video-out and use it as a second head for my laptop!
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06:49<SamanthaD>if any of you guys want to manufacture something like that remember: you heard it here. send me a couple freebies ;)
06:51<SamanthaD>peter1139: it used to be that you could buy a thinkpad without an operating system but they seemed to have stopped offering that. Got 200 bucks off a computer doing that once!
06:52<peter1139>funny how they call 1366x768 HD
06:52<peter1139>i call it crappy
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06:52<SamanthaD>well... it's technically HD as far as TVs are concerned...
06:52<peter1139>stupid ;(
06:53<SamanthaD>I don't think I'd want anything higher than that on a laptop though
06:53<SamanthaD>I prefer miniature laptops
06:53<peter1139>£30 for the 1600x900 upgrade though
06:53<SamanthaD>... could be worth it
06:53<SamanthaD>what size monitor?
06:53<peter1139>14"
06:54<SamanthaD>ah, yes, worth it
06:54<SamanthaD><-- uses 12" monitors typically
06:54<SamanthaD>I wouldn't want a 1600x900 12"
06:54<SamanthaD>I'd go blind
06:54<peter1139>meh, can't afford it :p
06:55<peter1139>need to convince my work to get me one
06:57<SamanthaD>For me I'd just like a more powerful processor
06:57<SamanthaD>I bought an AMD Fusion laptop *right* when they first came out
06:57<peter1139>hmm, X230, 12.5"...
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06:57<peter1139>wonder what HD vs Premium HD gives you
06:57<SamanthaD>it was supposed to do a bunch of nifty stuff when it comes to multimedia
06:57<peter1139>both 1366x768
06:57<peter1139>yeah right
06:57<SamanthaD>what they didn't mention was that it needed a bunch of fancy microcode and the microcode is buggy as sin
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06:59<wakou2>Hallo guys.... Please help me 'grow' this town... (Tearing hair out here....)
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06:59<SamanthaD>next computer I get is going to have 2GHz quad cores with hyperthreading
06:59<wakou2>http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/28/plasma-desktopVU6850.png
06:59<SamanthaD>accept no substitutes
06:59<SamanthaD>hey wakou2
06:59<peter1139>wow that's ugly
07:00<wakou2>I have funded new buildings (twice) planted zillions of trees, funded road repairs
07:00<wakou2>It has about 2,000 tonnes food p/m
07:00<SamanthaD>wakou2: road repairs don't grow buildings. all that does is deny road vehicle use to your competitors (and you)
07:00<peter1139>add more (road) stations
07:00<peter1139>(and use them)
07:00<wakou2>Can't add stns, becuase I am 'Appaling'
07:00<SamanthaD>wakou2: food doesn't cause growth. Food is needed every month for towns above the snow line but what grows towns is passengers and mail!
07:01<SamanthaD>wakou2: a borderline-cheating way to raise your rating is to clear forest and re-plant it!
07:01<peter1139>yeah food just allows it to grow
07:01<SamanthaD>yup
07:01<SamanthaD>you need a little bit of food to allow it to grow but what actually grows the town is passengers and mail!
07:02<SamanthaD>wakou2: what graphic set are you using, by the way?
07:02<wakou2>It has lots of passengers, and regular mail
07:02<wakou2>?? errmm z-base??
07:02<peter1139>zbase i guess
07:02<SamanthaD>ah, I see
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07:02<SamanthaD>wakou2: is it a town or a city?
07:03<wakou2>'city' (I think)
07:03<peter1139>meh, £1752.99 for this X230 i specced out :p
07:03<SamanthaD>that's weird, it should almost be growing on its own then...
07:03<peter1139>it says city in the town window
07:03<wakou2>peter1139: Yes
07:03<SamanthaD>wakou2: oh! I can think of one reason. Are you doing something so as to insure that food is delivered EVERY month?
07:04<peter1139>(ah, premium hd is ips... that's another £40 needed)
07:04<wakou2>? I have put as much food in as I have available.....
07:05<SamanthaD>wakou2: the amount of food isn't important. The important part is that it is regular. What you ought to do is to 'transfer' it to the station and then use trucks to deliver it into the city center.
07:05<wakou2>7 trains, 260 tonnes of food, full
07:05<wakou2>Hmmm, can't build station to x fer, as I am appalling
07:06<SamanthaD>wakou2: unless you're using cargodist in which case you should just add a truck that runs on an each-month timetable between the station and the city center
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07:06<SamanthaD>wakou2: demolish the forests and re-plant the trees!
07:06<wakou2>How far from city centre does that work for?
07:07<SamanthaD>I've come to the conclusion that the city councils are a cross between environmentalist hippies and early adopters: they cherish trees but they prefer new ones
07:07<SamanthaD>wakou2: oh, it just needs to service the city
07:07<SamanthaD>your train station is close enough
07:08<SamanthaD>what you're trying to do is ensure that it always has food delivered each month
07:08<SamanthaD>please note that I *HATE* that cities don't stockpile
07:08<SamanthaD>must... patch
07:09<wakou2>It does, about 5 trains per month
07:09<SamanthaD>ah... then it should be fine
07:09<SamanthaD>how many passenger trains/buses per month?
07:10*peter1139 ponders playing this game
07:11<SamanthaD>what game?
07:11<peter1139>this openttd thing
07:11<SamanthaD>haha!
07:11<SamanthaD>yeah, we kinda just sit around here and hang out, don't we?
07:11<SamanthaD>wakou2: how many passenger vehicles per month?
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07:12<Aristide>-12
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07:12<wakou2>Lots, dunno how to get a figure, except by counting manually..
07:13<Aristide>wakou2: Click on train
07:13<wakou2>but the town is served by..5 large trains, all always full
07:13<wakou2>Aristide: and hen?
07:13<wakou2>= then
07:14<Aristide>wakou2: You have many values about train, But I don't know if count of passengers is display xD
07:14<wakou2>each train has 420 passengers
07:14<SamanthaD>Artistide: Yes it is, in the cargoes pane you can see how full each carriage is
07:15<Aristide>SamanthaD: Ok
07:15<Aristide>You can estimate count of passengers
07:16<SamanthaD>Aristide: Also, you can watch it unload going 100% -- 85% -- ect...
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07:17<wakou2>http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/28/bigstn2.png
07:17<wakou2>So I blow up all these trees and replant?
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07:17<SamanthaD>yup!
07:17<wakou2>OK....
07:17<Aristide>...
07:17<SamanthaD>might want to blow up a couple more while you're at it
07:17<wakou2>If that does not work, I will blow up the town!
07:17<SamanthaD>if you blow up too few all you do is waste money since you just need to blow up more (and blowing up trees annoys them more than planting trees)
07:17<wakou2>(Or bribe?)
07:17<SamanthaD>this way is cheaper and safer
07:18<wakou2>OK, getting the bombs out.. :)
07:22<wakou2>Lols.....
07:23<wakou2>WHAT HAVE YOU DONE! http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/28/plasma-desktopGV6850.png
07:23<SamanthaD>did it work?
07:23<SamanthaD>I love doing that
07:23<SamanthaD>I feel very... corporate
07:23<SamanthaD>corrupting the local authority AND destroying the environment at the same time!
07:25<wakou2>http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/28/plasma-desktopEB6850.png
07:25<wakou2>Yes!! Now rated 'good'
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07:26<SamanthaD>n_n
07:26<SamanthaD>bus time!
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07:30<wakou2>:) three new stations/depots, buses and mail.... Town now growing!
07:30<wakou2>TY Samantha and Aristide!
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07:31<Aristide>SamanthaD: ^^
07:31<Aristide>wakou2: No problemo
07:31<SamanthaD>yay!
07:31<Aristide>:)
07:31<Aristide>I like buses in Lyon
07:32<SamanthaD>I always run buses if, for nothing else, growing towns
07:32<SamanthaD>though... often I have been finding myself making "muni" lines instead
07:32<SamanthaD>little local trains
07:33<Aristide>Train are too expensive in France
07:33<Aristide>For 30km, in bus : 2€, in train : 4€20 ... For same travel
07:33<Aristide>For Lyon > Paris : 76€ x)
07:33<SamanthaD>same here, too
07:34<SamanthaD>I often travel about the US on buses
07:34<Aristide>x)
07:34<SamanthaD>from SF to LA by bus is about 40 bucks, by train its 70
07:34<SamanthaD>also, the train is slower (somehow)
07:34<Aristide>x)
07:35<Aristide>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/2259_Citelis18_920_TCL_Vieux-Lyon.jpg/1024px-2259_Citelis18_920_TCL_Vieux-Lyon.jpg SamanthaD
07:35<SamanthaD>though... it's more comfortable so it's actually worth it *IF* I have the money
07:35<SamanthaD>oh, city buses!
07:35<Aristide>Lyon has bought 80 Citelis 18 at August 21th 2011
07:35<SamanthaD>yeah, those too
07:35<Aristide>:3
07:35<SamanthaD>except we have a couple really cheap local trains here
07:35<Aristide>SamanthaD: "Cars du Rhône" have a good vehicles too
07:35<SamanthaD>SF Bay area
07:36<SamanthaD>though... Caltrain and ACT are *NOT* cheap
07:36<SamanthaD>last time I looked a monthly pass on the Capitol Corridor was almost a hundred bucks
07:36<SamanthaD>or was it more...
07:36*SamanthaD goes to look it up
07:36<Aristide>Mercedes Intouro <3
07:37<Aristide>:o
07:37<peter1139>here this is no competition between buses and trains
07:37<peter1139>-this+there
07:37<Aristide>xD
07:37<peter1139>at the end of the line so trains only go one direction, buses handle the rest
07:39<Aristide>http://tecelyon.info/modules/td-galerie/imgs/20100619214344-1.jpg <3
07:39<SamanthaD>yup... a ten-ride ticket from San Jose to Oakland is a hundred bucks
07:39<SamanthaD>and that's ONE CITY OVER
07:39<SamanthaD>that's an hours drive on the highway
07:40<peter1139>public transport gets stupid when there's more then 1 person travelling in a group anyway
07:40<peter1139>car is always cheaper then
07:40<Aristide>Yes
07:41<Aristide>Many companies can offer reductions when you are 4 or more
07:41<Aristide>But car is cheaper x)
07:41<SamanthaD>San Jose to Fremont is 12 bucks by train. By bus it's 6.
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07:41<Aristide>In Lyon, a simple ticket (1h) cost 1€70
07:41<__ln__>not when the ticket price doesn't increase at all with more persons
07:42<SamanthaD>that being said... there's always freight train ;)
07:42<wakou2>Lols @ un Francais complaining about price of public transport...!
07:42<Aristide>1€30 when you are 10
07:42<Aristide>1€30 per personn ...
07:42<Aristide>person*
07:42<wakou2>Come to UK Aristide! Price of train or bus is just ridiculous!
07:42<SamanthaD>freight trains are free!
07:42<Aristide>wakou2: I don't live in UK
07:43<Aristide>I don't know tarifications in other countrys
07:43<Aristide>pricing*
07:43<Aristide>Sorry
07:43<wakou2>In UK, poss 3x price compared to France
07:43<Aristide>oO'
07:43<peter1139>£20 return to london from here isn't that bad
07:44<peter1139>still more expensive than driving and parking, heh
07:44<Aristide>x)
07:44<wakou2>My home to London = 50km and £15/20e
07:44<Aristide>When you buy a ticket in Lyon, you can use TCL's parkings without pay more
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07:45<wakou2>Where are you peter1139?
07:46<peter1139>aylesbury
07:46<peter1139>so ... 80km
07:47<Aristide>So, and information phone number is free
07:49<Aristide>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL1x99sOLQ4 <3
07:49<Aristide>I like this subway line
07:49<Aristide>Rise : 7.50%
07:57<Aristide>Hm ...
07:57<Aristide>Go shower \o/
07:58<SamanthaD>wow... 7.5% that's steep
08:00<Aristide>SamanthaD: Its a old funicular
08:01<Aristide>He was replaced by a subway
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08:15<peter1139>someone is cooking bacon, and it's not me :(
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08:21<andythenorth>does the pathfinder attempt to keep trains out of platforms that are too short?
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08:24<SamanthaD>andythenorth: I'm not sure. A good way to try it would be to build a two platform station with a long-enough platform on the siding and a too-short platform on the main line
08:24<andythenorth>better would be to read the code ;)
08:24<SamanthaD>experimenting is easier than untangling code ;)
08:25<andythenorth>coincidence vs. cause
08:25<SamanthaD>run it many times ;)
08:25<andythenorth>it already looks like train pathfinder prefers a platform of adequate length
08:26<SamanthaD>heh... I suppose that's what you get when you study empirical sciences instead of comp-sci in college ;)
08:29<andythenorth>is it expected that cdist will load cargo back to it's origin point?
08:30<SamanthaD>if the origin point accepts the cargo, then yes, I think
08:30<SamanthaD>I don't know if it's expected but sometimes I build a truck line from an industry to a train station who also has said industry in its catchment area and the truck will haul loads both ways most of the time
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08:32<krinn>hi
08:32<wakou2>krinn: Good day!
08:33<wakou2>SamanthaD: and aristide have helped me with my non-growing town.... :)
08:33<NeuhNeuh>please give me 200€ 
08:34<wakou2>Bomb all trees in surrounding area, and replant.... city now loves me :)
08:34<NeuhNeuh>Yeah its raining
08:34<NeuhNeuh>I want to go out <
08:35<krinn>wakou2, and you need someone to tell you that, because you didn't read the wiki, right?
08:35<SamanthaD>wakou2: you're welcome n_n
08:36<Eddi|zuHause>it's not a lie...
08:37<NeuhNeuh>No
08:37<NeuhNeuh>Not welcome
08:37<NeuhNeuh>Give me monney
08:37<NeuhNeuh>I want to create a subway station under my house
08:39<SamanthaD>NeuhNeuh: Good god man, WHY?! Have you ever stood over a subway tunnel when a train roars through it?!
08:42<NeuhNeuh>SamanthaD: :3
08:43<Eddi|zuHause>where's TrueBrain when you have a weird teenager?
08:44<NeuhNeuh>I'm not a teenager
08:44<NeuhNeuh>I 22 Years old
08:44<Eddi|zuHause>i'm sure you are.
08:44<Xaroth|Work>close enough
08:44<Xaroth|Work>it's not physical age that counts, only mental.
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08:45<krinn>be kind with kids :)
08:46<SamanthaD>Xaroth|Work: Apparently judges would disagree ;)
08:47<andythenorth>meh, hit boredom point after 11 game years
08:47<andythenorth>no GS in this game
08:47<SamanthaD>GS?
08:47<andythenorth>game script
08:47<SamanthaD>ah
08:47*andythenorth wanted to learn how cdist worked
08:47<andythenorth>now I know
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08:51<andythenorth>can GS look at the cdist link graph in any useful way?
08:51<andythenorth>I would like a GS that manipulates subsidies to create 'now deliver from A to B' goals
08:52<krinn>no, gsapi have not such functions
08:52<andythenorth>wonder if it can maintain its own linkgraph
08:52<andythenorth>probly not
08:53<krinn>it just cannot know what cargodist is doing, so no
08:53<krinn>you can only know if cargodist is enable or not
08:54<andythenorth>hmm
08:54<andythenorth>I assume subsidy generator already checks if a town is connected, otherwise subsidy would be stupid
08:54<Eddi|zuHause>no, it perfectly well creates subsidies if all towns are connected already
08:56<andythenorth>how fun :)
08:57<andythenorth>cdist is neat, but I miss the 'cargo wants to go here' aspect from YACD
08:57<andythenorth>I don't need it on a per-packet level, a reason to create routes from A to B would be enough
08:58<andythenorth>I also "need" auto-refit for NARS 2 :P
08:58<andythenorth>where is pikka :P
08:59<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: yes, it's possible to implement these connectivity "goals", but it's very inefficient to determine all possible destinations
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09:00<Xaroth|Work>SamanthaD: judges disagree with that
09:00<Xaroth|Work>underage people have been tried as adults
09:00<andythenorth>Eddi|zuHause: because....?
09:01<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: just take passengers as example, pretty much every house would be a possible destination
09:01<Eddi|zuHause>and they change often
09:02<andythenorth>use towns for pax
09:02<andythenorth>as per current subsidies
09:02<andythenorth>any station in town is valid
09:02<andythenorth>i.e. goal is met if any station in town has pax delivered (or collected, depends on goal)
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09:05<krinn>well, for subsidy goal is met if any station have a bus visiting it (no pax need, as long as bus try loading) if remember well
09:05<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: but then consider that houses could accept arbitrary cargos as well
09:05<Eddi|zuHause>krinn: i don't think that is right
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09:06<krinn>i may not remember well :)
09:06<Eddi|zuHause>krinn: subsidies are awarded for the first cargo packet actually delivered
09:07<andythenorth>hmm
09:07<andythenorth>Eddi|zuHause: and acceptance can change arbitrarily....
09:07<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: think of ECS gas stations
09:08<Eddi|zuHause>which pop up and disappear all the time
09:08<andythenorth>so is current subsidy system actually broken?
09:08<Eddi|zuHause>and you need actually two stations to accept anything
09:08<George>Eddi|zuHause: which pop up and disappear all the time -> the last one has not to disappear. It is coded
09:08<Eddi|zuHause>the current subsidy model is "insufficient", not "broken"
09:09<Eddi|zuHause>George: ok, but you still need two to accept stuff
09:10<Eddi|zuHause>George: i mean the ECS houses
09:10<Eddi|zuHause>(or TTRS)
09:11<George>AFIAR in ECS Houses that was fixed
09:11<Eddi|zuHause>well i have not tested in a while. and the point is not actually that it does that, but that it is possible to do that
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09:12<andythenorth>hmm
09:12<Eddi|zuHause>so "find all possible destinations of a cargo on the map" is tricky
09:12<andythenorth>the idea seems to be stuck whilst GS doesn't have total control
09:13<George>in ECS houses 1.1.2 petrol station accepts petrol even when it is alone
09:13<andythenorth>we really have to get rid of newgrf :P
09:14<George>BTW anyone has any idea when CF would be fixed?
09:14<Eddi|zuHause>what is broken?
09:14<George>Compile factoy of devzone
09:14<Eddi|zuHause>or still the same issue from a few days ago?
09:14<George>Yes
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09:31<Guest1442>Hmm
09:31<LordAro>hmm indeed
09:31<Guest1442>"Transport all cargos" gs?
09:32<LordAro>irc topic is outdated btw :P
09:32<Guest1442>Simple
09:32<Guest1442>X amount per quarter
09:34<Guest1442>That would give 5-8 hours gameplay for sane values of X
09:36<Guest1442>An *insanely hard* GS would be "expedite" - nocargoal with limit on maximum amount waiting at any station
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09:48<LordAro>oh, good. it seems my new graphics card is too new for the normal driver...
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10:00<SamanthaD>LordAro: For OpenTTD?!
10:11<LordAro>haven't tried that, but currently the UI is quite laggy :(
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10:22<LordAro>hmm, have to try to get the catalyst driver working instead
10:23*krinn would have put all his bets on ATI : non working driver with a video card -> ATI !
10:28<LordAro>?
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10:36<peter1139>herp derp, icu can't do kerning or what?
11:03*dihedral is home :-)
11:06<SpComb>ttf meet is still going!
11:19<jonty-comp>how dare it
11:25<SamanthaD>ttf?
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11:31<LordAro>now that seems a bit better
11:36<dihedral>ttf?
11:38<LordAro>of sorts
11:41<LordAro>got minecraft running anyway :)
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12:13<@planetmaker>o/
12:13<Tom_Soft>\o,
12:13<LordAro>o-
12:13<SamanthaD>\o/
12:14<SamanthaD>o/ \o/ \o <-- like that
12:14<SamanthaD>I dunno what LordAro is up to though :p
12:15<Tom_Soft>Hello from Russia)
12:15<SamanthaD>Hello from California!
12:17<Tom_Soft>USA)
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12:18<LordAro>assuming your question mark "?" is broken, yes, California is in USA
12:19<TWerkhoven>theres a california in scotland too
12:19<SamanthaD>I did not know that!
12:19<SamanthaD>yes, the American one
12:19<LordAro>although, it may actually be meant to be an explnation point "!"
12:19<TWerkhoven>its a tiny town
12:19<LordAro>In my experience, very few American place names are original though :)
12:19<SamanthaD>I like calling "!" a "bang"
12:19<TWerkhoven>true
12:20<SamanthaD>Just once I want to found a new town. I'm going to call it "Very New York"
12:20<Markk>Nieuw Nieuw Amsterdam
12:21<Markk>You could call it.
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12:21<peter1139>! is called pling
12:21<peter1139>at least, if you used risc os
12:21<Markk>I wouldn't want to risc that.
12:22<Markk>eh-he-he
12:22<SamanthaD>why would they name an operating system after a microprocessor philosophy?!
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12:23<LordAro>because it runs on those processors?
12:23<Markk>"RISC OS was specifically designed to run on the ARM chipset, which Acorn had designed concurrently, for use in its new line of Archimedes personal computers. It takes its name from the RISC (reduced instruction set computing) architecture supported."
12:24<SamanthaD>yup, I was just reading that
12:24<peter1139>that's a what, not a why
12:24<SamanthaD>those were the days, when they targeted software at specific archs
12:24<SamanthaD>I say "those were the days" and then look wryly at Apple ;)
12:25<Markk>My guess: It was the coders who came up with the name, and coders aren't really famous for their fantasy.
12:25<SamanthaD>I'll bet it's full of assembler
12:25<SamanthaD>who the heck writes RISC assembler?!
12:26<peter1139>those were the days when they wrote software in assembly
12:26<SamanthaD>"We're paid by the number of lines of code"
12:26<peter1139>back when 1MB ram was a fuckton
12:26<Markk>SamanthaD: Apple uses Intel CPUs today.
12:26<SamanthaD>Markk: Yes, but they still DRM their software so it won't run on non-branded hardware
12:27<SamanthaD>Markk: It's not what it runs on, it's whether or not it's written in a portable language, which OSX is.
12:27<SamanthaD>at least I'm pretty sure it doesn't contain code in a lower level than C
12:27<Markk>That's true, but it's possible to run it on a normal PC as well.
12:28<Markk>...if you for some reason really want to.
12:28<LordAro>SamanthaD: i'd be extremely surprised if there was no assembly code anywhere in OSX
12:28<SamanthaD>it always amazes me the length that some people go through sometimes...
12:29<SamanthaD>LordAro: I doubt it... it runs on a Mach kernel which IIRC is 100% portable
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12:29<LordAro>but anywhere at all? in a whole OS?
12:29<Markk>SamanthaD: I could understand if someone does it just for the hell of it, but not if someone actually want to be able to use it on a day-to-day basis.
12:29<SamanthaD>I suppose...
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12:30<LordAro>check the unix kernel(?) which OSX is based on, i bet that has some in it somewhere
12:30<Xaroth|Work>bsd
12:30<Markk>FreeBSD
12:30<Markk>But yes, Unix-like.
12:30<SamanthaD>Mach, not FreeBSD
12:30<Markk>OSX is based on FreeBSD.
12:30<SamanthaD>Yes, but not the kernel
12:30<Markk>BSD is the kernel.
12:31<Markk>Oh
12:31<SamanthaD>BSD is the kernel plus a tonne of other supporting softwares
12:31<peter1139>la la la
12:31<peter1139>but yes, the predecessor of risc os, called arthur, was written in bbc basic
12:31<peter1139>(which was written in assembly of course)
12:32<SamanthaD>ah, BASIC
12:32<SamanthaD>I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy
12:32<Xaroth|Work>planetmaker: you kicked everybody out yet?
12:32<peter1139>portable code isn't a concern when you need to eke out every bit of performance possibly
12:32<peter1139>*possible
12:33<@planetmaker>yeah, I just kicked fonso out last
12:33<Xaroth|Work>how was it?
12:33<@planetmaker>great, I think :-)
12:33<@planetmaker>good to see all the faces again and some new :-)
12:34<@planetmaker>only problem: they were not hungry enough
12:34<peter1139>http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/a.png
12:34<peter1139>or
12:34<Xaroth|Work>so you have enough food for the next 3 months? :P
12:34<peter1139>http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/b.png
12:34<@planetmaker>kinda
12:34<Xaroth|Work>a
12:34<Xaroth|Work>BUT
12:34<Xaroth|Work>i miss a random option
12:35<@planetmaker>I prefer b :D
12:35<Xaroth|Work>in b multiplayer is less readable
12:35<Xaroth|Work>and 'settings'
12:35<Xaroth|Work>ie, 2 small letters next to eachother
12:35<@planetmaker>true
12:36<Xaroth|Work>(editor, settings, multiplayer, online, etc)
12:36<Markk>I prefer a.
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12:37<Xaroth|Work>what would be even better; a 'random' option where you can select random from what
12:37<peter1139>?
12:37<Xaroth|Work>for the terrain type
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12:44<peter1139>oh
12:46<Xaroth|Work>then again, a random option for various options would be nice to have
12:47<LordAro>i have a feeling that has been suggested before :L
12:47<LordAro>in fact, i may even remember a patch for it...maybe
12:48<Xaroth|Work>i'm pretty sure peter1139 has a patch for it
12:51<peter1139>doubt it
12:52<Xaroth|Work>impossibru
12:52*V453000 iz home
12:53<Markk>Is it possible to make a timetable or order for a train so that the train only stops at a specific station if there's still room for more passengers or goods?
12:53<V453000>+-
12:54<Markk>Otherwise just pass the station to the next one.
12:54<V453000>yes
12:54<Markk>How do you do that? :)
12:54<V453000>http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Self-regulating_Network
12:54<V453000>various options
12:55<dihedral>looks like some people are back home and have nothing better to do :-P
12:56<V453000>half true :P
12:56<dihedral>but i must say, it was a real pleasure meeting you guys :-)
12:56<@planetmaker>some people probably are. One person though will be home and missing a blue towel
12:57<V453000>:D
12:57<dihedral>lol
12:57<V453000>twas awesome :)
12:57<@planetmaker>that person who misses the towel is not me, btw :D
12:57<dihedral>me neither
12:58<@planetmaker>I suspect it to be from one of the guys who stayed over night here... found it on the balcony over a chair
12:58<V453000>I did not even bring towel, so ... :)
12:58<dihedral>yumm...
13:01<Markk>V453000: There it is! I've seen the conditional order before, but that was in a same game I downloaded, so I had no idea on how to find it, thanks mate!
13:04<V453000>yw :)
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13:06<@Alberth>\o
13:06<peter1139>so
13:06<V453000>o/
13:06<@planetmaker>\o/
13:06<LordAro>\o
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13:13<dihedral>Alberth, :-)
13:13<LordAro>so when do we get to see the pictures from your party? :)
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13:15<@Alberth>they are all in my head, but I need that device, so I cannot borrow it to you
13:15<dihedral>where do you want the video of the commit :-P
13:17<@planetmaker>right... I magically decided to not put down the tent now... a downpour just started :D
13:18<dihedral>:-P
13:18<LordAro>Alberth: it's not that important, is it? :P
13:18<dihedral>it hit me while i was still on the road
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13:19<Xaroth|Work>it lives
13:20<@Alberth>LordAro: indeed, pictures are meaningless, you had to be there to understand the meaning
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13:21<LordAro>Alberth: i was talking about the 'device', but sure :P
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13:30*Alberth disagrees, my head is very important to me!
13:40<LordAro>still waiting for 1.3.2 release announcement, btw :P
13:40<dihedral>aye - i thought the same :-D
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13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r25633 trunk/src/lang/estonian.txt (2013-07-28 17:45:12 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>estonian - 147 changes by KSiimson
13:55<@Alberth>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=67170 to all that are waiting but forgot to write release notes
13:57<LordAro>now openttd.org :P
14:03<dihedral>don't rush him - he had a busy weekend :-P
14:06<@Alberth>I just finished reading the forum :)
14:09<@planetmaker>LordAro, he did that already over 24h ago ;-)
14:09<LordAro>haxors!
14:09<LordAro>sorry, h4x0rs!*
14:13<dihedral>lol
14:13<dihedral>LordAro, nah you just forgot to clear your browsers cache :-D
14:14<LordAro>oh, cache persists across different OS's and harddrives, does it? :P
14:16<dihedral>are you using a proxy?
14:16<dihedral>:-P
14:17<@planetmaker>LordAro, yes, definitely
14:17<LordAro>:D :P
14:17<LordAro>arch is fine btw, since you asked :)
14:17<@Alberth>I wouldn't trust it, since it already fooled you for 24 hours!
14:18<dihedral>LordAro, you must have a strange setup, but nobody here can be made responsible for obvious client side issues :-P
14:18<LordAro>:P
14:18<LordAro>oh, and you forgot the irc topic as well :)
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14:19<TrueBrain>so much complaining!
14:19<TrueBrain>@whoami
14:19<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: TrueBrain
14:19*dihedral will bite on his tongue, before mentioning goldfish in the channel :-P
14:19<dihedral>ops
14:19<TrueBrain>@mode +q ~LordAro@host81-158-56-249.range81-158.btcentralplus.com
14:19-!-mode/#openttd [+q *!~LordAro@host81-158-56-249.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] by DorpsGek
14:19<TrueBrain>hihihihihihhihihihi
14:19<dihedral>hello TrueBrain looks like you have arrived safly
14:19<TrueBrain>they learnt me this on the meet!
14:19<V453000>omfg he did
14:19<TrueBrain>@mode -q ~LordAro@host81-158-56-249.range81-158.btcentralplus.com
14:20-!-mode/#openttd [-q *!~LordAro@host81-158-56-249.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] by DorpsGek
14:20<Xaroth|Work>you didn't know -q?
14:20<TrueBrain>its not nice :P
14:20<dihedral>i knew it would happen soon, but i did not know how soon :-D
14:20<LordAro>D:
14:20<TrueBrain>you expected it on yourself dih
14:20<dihedral>nah
14:20<TrueBrain>that is where the surprise came from
14:20<dihedral>i expected it on some fake muxy or yorick or luukland or peter_t
14:20<dihedral>:-P
14:21<TrueBrain>@op
14:21-!-mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek
14:21-!-TrueBrain changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.3.2 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | #openttd.dev for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices
14:21<@TrueBrain>@deop
14:21-!-mode/#openttd [-o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek
14:21<TrueBrain>\o/ I was useful \o/
14:21<LordAro>:O
14:21<dihedral>the @topic command would have done the trick :-D
14:21<TrueBrain>*hybernation activated*
14:21<dihedral>lol
14:22<TrueBrain>I hear also great things about the @kick command
14:22<V453000>@@kickme
14:22<dihedral>:-D
14:22<V453000>@kickme
14:22<V453000>asdf
14:22<TrueBrain>it doesnt know you :P
14:22<V453000>it must pay the ultimate price
14:22<dihedral>@whoami
14:22<@DorpsGek>dihedral: I don't recognize you.
14:22<dihedral>pfft
14:22<V453000>@whoami
14:22<@DorpsGek>V453000: I don't recognize you.
14:22<@Alberth>it lufs you too much
14:22<dihedral>i used to be authed
14:22<dihedral>it's always the same with them - in public: full denial
14:23<V453000>screw you DorpsGek
14:23<V453000>hey it doesnt reply "invalid command" like webster would :(
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14:30<dihedral>V<tab> - that's what you can do with configuration ;-)
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14:38<V453000>asdf :)
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14:40<andythenorth>o/
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14:46<@Alberth>o/
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14:52<dihedral>TrueBrain, ... payloadify? :-D http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2441/
14:52<dihedral>just to make you happy
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14:59<Xaroth|Work>\o/
15:01<Zuu_>Not home yet, but the only really cold moment was when entering öresundståget with an AC tuned far too low.
15:03<Zuu_>But at least the train has plenty of seats :) Not something one could say about Ice from Hamburg to Copenhagen.
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15:07<andythenorth>Zuu_: is there anything in GS to look at an accepted cargos for a secondary industry, and then find sources for those cargos (with distance etc?)
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15:08<andythenorth>oh he gone :P
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15:09<Eddi|zuHause>if you restrict "sources" to "industries" it's easier
15:09<dihedral>easter?
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15:10<andythenorth>Eddi|zuHause: that's a sensible restriction
15:11<Eddi|zuHause>well, you have to do special cases for passengers, mail, tourists, workers, ... any future crazy idea that NewGRF authors will have
15:12<andythenorth>meh
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15:13<Zuu_>A gs can get he industry type of an industry in the game. Using industry type you can get acess to he same data as available in the idustry type graph.
15:13<andythenorth>when are we removing the 'GS must be generic wrt newgrf' design goal? :P
15:14*andythenorth wants to write a GS that requires FIRS, with specific params
15:14<andythenorth>valid for specific range of versions of the grf
15:14<andythenorth>ho, would even generate it from the same codebase :P
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15:17<Zuu_>You can put that demand in the bananas info text, gs descripion and as an dialog in th gam to users who decide to us the gs in unallowed conditions.
15:18<Zuu_>Hmm my 'e' seems broken :)
15:18<dihedral>your 't' as well :-P
15:18<@Alberth>only before a ' ' :p
15:22<andythenorth>GS: "Job Security"
15:22<andythenorth>every 2 years a new challenge
15:22<andythenorth>fail the challenge, you get fired
15:22<andythenorth>v1 we just stop the game when you get fired
15:22<andythenorth>v2, maybe you can try a new company :P
15:24<@Alberth>lol, I was thinking in the same lines, have a sequence of goals, so you cannot prepare for the next one during getting the first goal
15:24<@Alberth>in factm the script could change the 2nd goal to ensure that won't happen :p
15:24<@Alberth>s/m /m/
15:26<andythenorth>brb food
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15:38<__ln__>btw, there really was a queer parade in bs on saturday
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15:54<dihedral>http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5660 <- is that a woman?
15:55<dihedral>quote "I love you all very much"
15:57<@planetmaker>it's not a woman's name
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15:59<dihedral>names do not mean much on the internet :-P
15:59<__ln__>a russian woman's last name would end in -a.
16:00<@planetmaker>right now my bed means more to me than any name and it's gender in the internet ;-) bon nuit
16:00<andythenorth>:)
16:00<Zuu>planetmaker: are you also tired? :-)
16:00<@planetmaker>quite :-)
16:00<dihedral>sleep well honey :-D
16:00*Zuu just got home
16:00<Eddi|zuHause>i have already slept a few hours :)
16:00<dihedral>oh wow, Zuu - that must have been a trip
16:00<@planetmaker>:-) do you miss a towel? :D
16:00<Zuu>Quite tired
16:00<dihedral>lol
16:01<@planetmaker>blue?
16:01<Eddi|zuHause>i quite certainly don't miss a towel
16:01<Zuu>planetmaker: does it has light blue stripes?
16:01<@Rubidium>planetmaker: I do miss a bag with a few beers and some quiche :(
16:01<dihedral>Rubidium, :-D
16:02<Eddi|zuHause>more food for planetmaker :)
16:02<@planetmaker>Zuu, well... it has some somewhat ligher spots... but stripes? Not really
16:02<@Rubidium>no clue where I left it, but I had it with me when walking out of the building
16:02<@planetmaker>Rubidium, you left it on the chair I sit in now
16:02<@planetmaker>I wondered whether you did that on purpose as I forced the quiche into it
16:02<Zuu>dihedral: Yeah, and I was unable to reserve a seat for any part of the trip. But could still sit down on all parts despite eg. Hamburg-Copenhagen being sold two departures ahead.
16:02<dihedral>Rubidium, on top of the car perhaps?
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16:03<@Rubidium>planetmaker: I totally forgot; was looking through the car here to find it, but couldn't find it
16:03<Zuu>planetmaker: I beleive i did bring my towel home, and you should have seen the stripes if it was my towel.
16:03<@planetmaker>:-( @ Rubidium
16:03<@planetmaker>Right, then someone else might complain... my bet is on fonso actually
16:03<dihedral>planetmaker, only a few more people to ask then
16:03<andythenorth>hmm
16:04<andythenorth>auto refit has a chicken-egg problem
16:04<@planetmaker>or belugas. dunno :-)
16:04<Zuu>planetmaker: Did you check with fonsinchen yet?
16:04<@planetmaker>no
16:04<@planetmaker>wasn't here since he left at ~18h
16:04<Zuu>I saw him with a towel in the moring.
16:04<dihedral>planetmaker, if it was Belugas, you could make an auktion in ttf
16:04<@planetmaker>lol
16:05<dihedral>if it was Rubidium, perhaps there some people who want a used towel from a dictator, but i know a bunch of people who definately do not want it :-D
16:06<@Rubidium>dihedral: I just saw my towel
16:07<andythenorth>hmm
16:07<andythenorth>how do I clear auto-refit from an order? :o
16:07<andythenorth>delete and recreate order?
16:08<Eddi|zuHause>i would have assumed there to be a dropdown
16:08<andythenorth>not
16:09<andythenorth>there is some combination of setting 'no unloading' and 'no loading' that causes it to clear
16:09<andythenorth>haven't figured it out yet
16:09<Eddi|zuHause>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-23468903
16:10<andythenorth>set no unloading, then no loading, then unload if accepted, then load if available
16:10<andythenorth>I guess that's in the wiki somewhere?
16:10<Eddi|zuHause>i haven't used autorefit yet
16:11<andythenorth>I am testing it in Squid
16:11<andythenorth>dunno if it works really
16:11<andythenorth>too many issues
16:12<andythenorth>hmm
16:12<andythenorth>'no loading' is sufficient to clear auto-refit order
16:12<dihedral>Rubidium, lucky you :-)
16:13<dihedral>is Belugas still with you?
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16:21<andythenorth>how do I build a water airport?
16:22<andythenorth>pikka has seaplanes
16:22<dihedral>heh
16:22<dihedral>perhaps they function like hover crafts
16:25<V453000>or hover cats
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16:34<andythenorth>buses are rubbish for cdist
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16:38<dihedral>busses are rubbish. :-P
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16:50<NGC3982>Evening.
16:54<andythenorth>hmm
16:54<andythenorth>my timetabled ships keep clustering
16:56<andythenorth>figured it out :P
17:00<dihedral>nn
17:01<Zuu>andythenorth: I think that the airport bransch/queue had water airports.
17:01<andythenorth>I think there's a grf for it somewhere
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17:11<fonsinchen>The towel is mine. You can keep it. It has been used as saddle for the unicorn, though.
17:13<andythenorth>bye
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17:18<TWerkhoven>xaroth?
17:27<Xaroth|Work>TWerkhoven: ?
17:28<TWerkhoven>found a bug in libottdadmin2
17:28<TWerkhoven>a fix too
17:28<Xaroth|Work>put it up on github :)
17:28<Xaroth|Work>and good that people use it \o/
17:29<TWerkhoven>well, getting there anyway
17:29<Xaroth|Work>what's the bug
17:29<TWerkhoven>right now it just dumps anything it receives into the console
17:30<TWerkhoven>packets/server.py, line 129
17:30<TWerkhoven>format should be self.format
17:33<Xaroth|Work>good find
17:33<TWerkhoven>:)
17:34<Xaroth|Work>fixed, pushed.
17:38<TWerkhoven>:D
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