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---Logopened Sun Aug 04 00:00:42 2013
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00:32<SamanthaD>The options warn that a large station spread is bad for performance... What exactly constitutes a "large station spread"
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02:26<Eddi|zuHause>SamanthaD: i think that warning is outdated
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02:27<SamanthaD>Eddi:zuHause: Much obliged!
02:28<Eddi|zuHause>the algorithm behind it was changed to something less dependent on the actual size
02:28<Eddi|zuHause>so it might (and will) still be slower, but not by much
02:31<SamanthaD>okay!
02:32<SamanthaD>I'll just blame the slowdown on my lousy processor and my obscene amount of vehicles ;)
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02:44<Eddi|zuHause>SamanthaD: well if you really want to know what's making your game slow, run a profiler
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03:16<@planetmaker>moin
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03:36<krinn>morning
03:37<peter1139>http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1jk1gz/sourceforge_starts_using_enhanced_adware/
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03:37<peter1139>sourceforge obsoleted themselves ;p
03:41<krinn>they do times ago already with the lame "block this country"
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03:44<SamanthaD>sup!
03:45<SamanthaD>What the heck is Sourceforge up to?!
03:47<peter1139>krinn, alright, obsoleted themselves further :)
03:48<SamanthaD>This is an outrage!
03:48<krinn>loose freedom always start "soft", once done and it's "admit"; next step coming, looks like soundforge just goes one step futher
03:49<SamanthaD>I blame Ubuntu
03:51<SamanthaD>well... I guess not just them
03:51<krinn>well, it's hard to not include redhat with ubuntu
03:51<SamanthaD>point is, over the last 5-7 years I've noticed a marked depreciation of what software freedom seems to mean to a lot of projects
03:51<Eddi|zuHause>it's all Obamas fault!
03:52<SamanthaD>krinn: At least Fedora has a pretty strict policy toward free software
03:52<krinn>yeah but michelle's fault !
03:52<krinn>fedora is the worst SamanthaD :)
03:53<SamanthaD>I'm not saying it's any GOOD, I'm just saying it has a strict no-proprietary-software (except for drivers) policy
03:53<peter1139>http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
03:53<peter1139>anyone else hoping that won't make it? :p
03:54<SamanthaD>Me!
03:54<SamanthaD>though... I kinda like the idea of using a phone as a desktop...
03:54<SamanthaD>HOWEVER
03:54<SamanthaD>that being said... the desktop will be running Unity so they can freaking keep it
03:55*SamanthaD wonders what an XFCE cellphone interface would be like...
03:59<krinn>that thing will never works, if i want a phone where i need to pay anytime i click on the wrong button, i would use an iphone that would do the same, but with a nice touch
03:59<SamanthaD>Gotta love how iOS is based on free code yet they ban free licenses in the app store ;)
04:00<peter1139>technically they don't ban it
04:00<peter1139>it's just incompatible
04:01<@planetmaker>yeah, SamanthaD :-)
04:02<krinn>i prefer they ban them, than making them pay to get
04:03<Zuu>krinn: Just don't connect your apple/google account with a credit card, and it will not charge you.
04:03<SamanthaD>selling free software is fine so long as you don't strip away the freedoms
04:03<SamanthaD>that being said, using DRM to force people to pay for something they could have otherwise gotten for free isn't
04:03<krinn>SamanthaD, money is a drm
04:04<SamanthaD>heh
04:04<SamanthaD>IIRC RMS used to sell emacs for 200 bucks a pop back in the 80's
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04:05<SamanthaD>gotta love emacs...
04:05<SamanthaD>GNU: We needed an operating system to host our operating system!
04:06<krinn>:)
04:06<peter1139>bah at stupid drivers not supporting suspend/resume :(
04:07<krinn>Zuu, didn't knew this (never own apple product myself, not a big fan)
04:07<SamanthaD>peter1139: why don't you configure your computer to unload the module when going to suspend?
04:08<SamanthaD>peter1139: I have to do that with my wireless driver because of its evil buggy binary blob
04:08<peter1139>because it's a sound driver, and it's often in use by jackd at the time
04:09<SamanthaD>peter1139: kill jack, unload driver, suspend. resume, reload driver, start jack?
04:09<peter1139>kill jack and all its clients? :S
04:09<SamanthaD>ah... point
04:10<krinn>if you go on suspend, what will happen to jack's client anyway
04:10<SamanthaD>supposedly the computer crashes ;)
04:10<peter1139>krinn, paused until resume
04:11<SamanthaD>I could be talking out my backside here but doesn't JACK use a client/server configuration where the module that connects to the clients and the module that outputs to ALSA are separate?
04:12<krinn>i don't see why you use a server to provide services to client that can suspend :)
04:13<SamanthaD>krinn: lots of systems work that way in Unix land. Look at CUPS, for example
04:13<SamanthaD>and PulseAudio works that way...
04:13<SamanthaD>peter1139: what I'm thinking is maybe you could tell Jack to switch to a null source and sink then unload the module that services your sound card.
04:14<SamanthaD>and then on restore you could tell Jack to reload the module then switch to the real sink/source
04:14<peter1139>pain in the arse cos that needs jack2, and you lose all the hardware connections
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04:14<SamanthaD>hmm
04:15<peter1139>if i knew enough about drivers i'd try fixing it :S
04:15<SamanthaD>peter1139: I'll bet you a drink if we ever meet up that the driver is a binary blob
04:16<peter1139>new
04:16<peter1139>p
04:16<SamanthaD>damn... no drink for me
04:16<SamanthaD>what driver, by the way?
04:16<Eddi|zuHause>a binary binary large object?
04:16<Zuu>krinn: Neither a big fan of apple, but it given their market share, it is a device that is useful to have some knowledge about.
04:17<Eddi|zuHause>is that like a Deutsche Bahn Bahn?
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04:18<Wolf01>moin
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04:19<SamanthaD>Zuu: Run FreeBSD over a Mach kernel and I guarantee you you'll know more about Apple projects than 99.9999% of apple fanboys without ever touching one of their projects!
04:19<Eddi|zuHause>i'm getting tired of "moin", we should move over to "tach"
04:19<SamanthaD>products! not projects
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04:22<@planetmaker>nah, that's reserved for people from your region ;-)
04:24<SamanthaD>what the heck is "tach" anyway?!
04:24<krinn>the "moin" for northern?
04:25<@planetmaker>krinn, wrong. The 'moin' for non-northerners
04:25<Eddi|zuHause>depends on what you call "north"
04:26<@planetmaker>You can't get much further north than the origin-area of 'north' wrt German language region
04:26<@planetmaker>s/much//g
04:26<@planetmaker>which basically is the North sea coast
04:27<Eddi|zuHause>for a bavarian, it's all "saupreußen"
04:27<krinn>where i live you're all northern :)
04:27<SamanthaD>krinn: where might that be?
04:27<krinn>south france
04:27<SamanthaD>I'm south of you! :D
04:28<SamanthaD><- California, USA
04:28<krinn>well, maybe technically, but i would resume your position to "far left of me" :)
04:29<Eddi|zuHause>to the left of me would be south
04:29<@planetmaker>left, krinn ? http://flourish.org/upsidedownmap/mcarthur-large.jpg
04:29<krinn>:) planetmaker
04:29*SamanthaD tries to figure out which way she's pointed
04:30<SamanthaD>oh, you're dead ahead of me!
04:30<Wolf01>about north vs south and such, do you know a simple "mapping" software which allows to create a view with spatial points in 3D? I don't need the graphic map, sust see the distribution of the points... it it was only 2D I would have used excel :P
04:30<Eddi|zuHause>with the slight tendency towards southeast
04:30<Wolf01>s/sust/just
04:31<SamanthaD>Wolf01: You want to create a cloud of points in space?
04:31<Wolf01>yes
04:31<SamanthaD>Wolf01: Blender?
04:31<Eddi|zuHause>10 years ago i'd have said mathematica
04:31<Eddi|zuHause>but i forgot everything about it
04:32<@planetmaker>even excel could do that somewhat. I'd go for origin possibly until I did do all this stuff using IDL ;-)
04:32<Wolf01>mmm I could try with sMath studio
04:32<SamanthaD>Oh god... there's a GNU project like Mathematica... *tries to think of name*
04:32<@planetmaker>gnuplot? ;-) gld?
04:32<Eddi|zuHause>anyway, there are plenty of ways to make a 3D view of something
04:32<@planetmaker>*gdl
04:33<@planetmaker>http://gnudatalanguage.sourceforge.net/
04:34<SamanthaD>planetmaker: now... what were we JUST talking about?! ;)
04:34*SamanthaD points at the SF link
04:35<@planetmaker>:-)
04:35<SamanthaD>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxima_%28software%29
04:35<SamanthaD>maybe that?
04:35<SamanthaD>it's written in LISP
04:35<SamanthaD>and I love Lisp
04:35<@planetmaker>sounds like ... a very valid reason for a programme to use ;-)
04:36<krinn>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematica#See_also and you get a list of similar programs
04:36<Eddi|zuHause>planetmaker: btw that map reminds me of sitting at the "wrong" side of the risk board :p
04:36<@planetmaker>:-) true
04:36<SamanthaD>I don't know how it's actually executed though... Lisp isn't all that great in the hands of an undisciplined programmer in love with side-effects ;)
04:38<krinn>you can make it using an abacus too, but i'm not sure he was seeking something like that :)
04:39<SamanthaD>krinn: No... I don't think you can. He needs graphics. For that you need pipe cleaners and marshmellows.
04:40<Eddi|zuHause>it's fairly easy to make excel do a matrix transformation so you can make a 2D-plot of your 3D-locations from different directions
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04:41<krinn>SamanthaD, better use m&ms they are easier to handle than marshmellows
04:41<Wolf01>gah, software set with Deutsch language
04:41<SamanthaD>krinn: Yeah, but you can't impale them on the wires!
04:41<Eddi|zuHause>Wolf01: never had a problem with that :p
04:42<krinn>SamanthaD, you always want to crush, impale or destroy anything
04:42<SamanthaD>I suddenly have the urge to build marshmellow/toothpick bridges...
04:43<krinn>SamanthaD, you would do wonder as hunter here, with their modo "if it move, shoot it : if it was your wife, have a drink, if it was your dog, cry"
04:44<SamanthaD>>.<
04:44<krinn>yeah i know, it's sad for the dog
04:44<Wolf01>"For documentation of the plugin functions see german Handbook. This handbook is in german but has examples for many functions."
04:45<SamanthaD>krinn: you never did stuff like this? http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/13/marshmallow_2.jpg
04:45<krinn>tried...
04:45<krinn>... but stopped after taking too much fat eating them
04:46<SamanthaD>Wolf01: For hilarious results, run the documentation through Google Translate and hack away ;)
04:46<SamanthaD>krinn: When I was little I'd devour my structures so fast sometimes I got my mouth stabbed by a toothpick I missed.
04:48<krinn>lol SamanthaD
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04:56<Eddi|zuHause>SamanthaD: we generally use different materials for that stuff: http://www.paulsmama.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Kastanienmännchen_phc.jpg
04:57<SamanthaD>Glee! That's awesome!
04:59<Eddi|zuHause>http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewiki/67/Chestnut_animal.jpg
04:59<krinn>don't smoke near that one
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05:01<krinn>i just tried the auto-translate in youtube, it's impressive, but as it's far from perfect, it's also funny, ever try it ?
05:03<SamanthaD>no, but I've used the website translator thingy
05:05<SamanthaD>how do you get the toothpicks to stick in the chestnuts?!
05:09<@planetmaker>they're soft enough if not dried (yet)
05:10<SamanthaD>oh, I see
05:11<SamanthaD>we don't typically get fresh chestnuts in the states
05:11<SamanthaD>the American chestnut tree almost went extinct
05:11<SamanthaD>chestnut blight
05:12<SamanthaD>course... 100 years ago there were more chestnuts than you could shake a stick at!
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05:20<Eddi|zuHause>i never use youtube. what auto-translate?
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05:23<andythenorth>o/
05:23<krinn>it detect speech in movie
05:23<krinn>detect then the language
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05:23<krinn>and allow you to translate it
05:23<krinn>funny has it do mistakes, you can guess why. but it still impressive
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05:27<krinn>as of course each fail at hearing proper words in its native language will add a fail at translate that have itself its fail...
05:27<Eddi|zuHause>so if i were to give you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7rZYwoPMPw you could understand what they're saying?
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05:28<krinn>let's see :)
05:29<krinn>they speak about doing movie?
05:30<Eddi|zuHause>no
05:30<krinn>lol
05:30<Eddi|zuHause>they speak about mosquitos
05:31<krinn>even with the info it's impossible to guess
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05:32<krinn>Eddi|zuHause, hit captions option, you'll find the translate there
05:34<Eddi|zuHause>even the untranslated subtitles are totally wrong...
05:34<krinn>yeah so the translate is worst
05:35<krinn>i didn't it was top, i said it was technically impressive but funny as it fail
05:35<Eddi|zuHause>really, it has pretty much no correlation to what they're saying :p
05:36<krinn>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q00jiJrDqY try this one in german :)
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05:41<frosch123>the perfect european cooks like a english, drives like a french, is humourus like a german, ...
05:41<Eddi|zuHause>i didn't try the translation, but i'm pretty certain that what the french subtitle says is not what they are saying, from what little my of my rusty french is left :p
05:42<krinn>frosch123, :)
05:42<Eddi|zuHause>i do understand this one, however :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmc4XAHs_Wc
05:43<krinn>and i don't :)
05:46<krinn>if your french is good enough, you'll die with that one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGCbpDPcpC0
05:46<Zuu>The automatic closed captions are quite bad. I wonder if they even make the situation worse so that uploaders beleaive that they got CC while the quality is soo bad that they really should upload their own CC if they cared about the quality.
05:48<krinn>i'm not sure many use the caption or the translate caption options
05:53<SamanthaD>anyway... I'm going to hit hte hay
05:53<SamanthaD>night everyone
05:53<krinn>night SamanthaD
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05:54<Eddi|zuHause>krinn: my french is good enough to recognize the structure of the language, but not the words...
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05:55<krinn>harder because they speak with canadian accent, but easier as the speech is about the questions that are wrote on screen
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05:58<Eddi|zuHause>anyway, i get only a tiny fraction of the jokes
05:59<Eddi|zuHause>he can't really keep a straight face at the end :)
06:00<krinn>yeah this one is really hilarous
06:02<krinn>he asked him: what will you do if you win the million dollar ? answer: "going to the hookers", and he reply : "ah yes, that would make a lot of hookers"
06:03<Eddi|zuHause>what's what he said at the end after the noise?
06:04<krinn>he says his "tank" is not well park, another canadian<>french jokes, as no french will use "tank" to speak about his car
06:04<krinn>they did it also with "computer", no french will use it but use "ordinateur" instead, a canadian<>french joke
06:05<krinn>by canadian i mean quebec
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06:06<Eddi|zuHause>well obviously they wouldn't be speaking french in ontario :p
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06:08<krinn>i know (but didn't want offend canadians)
06:09<Eddi|zuHause>well the only canadian we have is quebecoise :)
06:10<Eddi|zuHause>and he's only online at work hours, so you have until tomorrow 15:00 :)
06:11<krinn>only 1, so it's ok to offend them :)
06:11<krinn>if that candian is a "he", he is quebecois
06:11<Eddi|zuHause>probably
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06:11<krinn>adding the "e" makes him a female
06:12<Eddi|zuHause>i don't think it's that easy :p
06:12<krinn>it's a bit hard sometimes in english because of that lack of male/female knowledge
06:13<Eddi|zuHause>i'm not english
06:13<krinn>I don't think any european language is as poor as english
06:16<Eddi|zuHause>well, english was created as a hybrid language, with everything that is stupid about every european language filtered out
06:16<Eddi|zuHause>only it's made from the wrong resulting set :p
06:16<krinn>:D
06:19*krinn wonder how many english now loves Eddi|zuHause & krinn here
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06:32<@planetmaker>can be anything else said of any other European language?
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06:36<krinn>sure, german use too much letters for a word, i think realtime transcript to german can kill the guy who is making it
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06:48<Eddi|zuHause>realtime german to french is impossible, because a word at the end might change the meaning of a word in the beginning :)
06:48<Eddi|zuHause>so you need the whole sentence before you can begin translating :)
06:49<Wolf01>sounds like chinese, where you can read a sentence ltr or rtl, with a similar meaning or a complete different meaning
06:51<Eddi|zuHause>it's like translating binary into decimal, if you have the number 0.00110011... you can't decide whether to write out 0.1or 0.2, because if there's ever a surplus 0 it's 0.1xxx if there's a surplus 1 it's 0.2xxx
06:51<Eddi|zuHause>if it's periodic it's 0.2
06:56<krinn>i don't know how they make it, must use some kind of smaller set or cryptic coding then (like phonem writing)
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07:58<Eddi|zuHause>http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/561823_537298512991183_717048645_n.jpg
08:00<krinn>a good one, but it might also mean God use nokia :)
08:01<Eddi|zuHause>i think the main joke is "nokia is ancient"
08:01<krinn>unsure, i was thinking it's about its weight
08:02<krinn>lmao but the two are ok : ancient and heavy
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08:03<andythenorth>This week the Indonesian Road Vehicle set is my favourite forum thing
08:04<Eddi|zuHause>it pains me every time i look at it
08:04<frosch123>he, they use si units for stats
08:05<Eddi|zuHause>like, is that just a language barrier thing or does he really not get what people are saying
08:06<+michi_cc>Maybe we don't get what he is saying? :p
08:06<andythenorth>I think he's just having fun, doing his own thing :)
08:08<frosch123>yeah, don't critisize artists
08:08<frosch123>i don't see much difference in posting photos compared to teaser graphics
08:08<krinn>i love the one from SquireJames
08:09<frosch123>i am just stunned that the thread uses m/s as speed unit
08:09<frosch123>well, and that most of the photos are more like personal/small cars
08:09<Eddi|zuHause>oh he even has a banner in the signature
08:10<frosch123>@calc 24*3.6
08:10<@DorpsGek>frosch123: 86.4
08:10<frosch123>@calc 26*3.6
08:10<@DorpsGek>frosch123: 93.6
08:10<frosch123>@calc 27*3.6
08:10<@DorpsGek>frosch123: 97.2
08:10<frosch123>are those speed limits by law?
08:11<Eddi|zuHause>no idea
08:11<Eddi|zuHause>even in the 1930s cars went faster than that
08:13<krinn>does he have anything to do with world airliners set ?
08:13<Eddi|zuHause>he posted some stuff in the thread
08:14<Eddi|zuHause>but i don't think it was more than "here i have picture for livery"
08:14<krinn>oh, so if i post to a patch thread, "i opened it with notepad and it work", i can put in my sig that a banner to that patch too?
08:15<Eddi|zuHause>and there were a few other threads in the style of "this is the X set, please make graphics and code it"
08:16<krinn>i will make the "indonesian babes set", at least i will enjoy his contribution
08:17<Eddi|zuHause>if there was a "ingore this thread" feature, i would put the WAS thread on that
08:18<Eddi|zuHause>there can't possibly be something interesting in there ever...
08:20<krinn>m/s meter or miles /seconds ?
08:21<Eddi|zuHause>miles would be funny :p
08:22<Eddi|zuHause>"this car is 100 times faster than speed of sound"
08:26<krinn>better than the 100km/h limit :)
08:31<Eddi|zuHause>that would be the limit here, too, if it were up to the green party
08:32<krinn>better do like french: put the limit, but not on engines, and put cops to ticket them, nearly the same but you get lot of money
08:34<Eddi|zuHause>the story some people told me that when they tried to pay their highway toll, it suddenly made a bright light while they were standing there putting the billet in
08:35<@planetmaker>100x faster than speed of sound? That's... likely not a car
08:35<Eddi|zuHause>because apparently they took "too little" time for the route
08:35<Eddi|zuHause>no idea if they actually ever got a speeding ticket
08:35<krinn>yeah they add "part radar" checker, that calc your speed from X to Y
08:36<Eddi|zuHause>not much "radar" involved :p
08:36<krinn>the ticket have the time on it too
08:36<@planetmaker>Eddi|zuHause, that reminds me on one time I drove like Orleans-Paris. A shiny Porsche overtook us. Except at the next toll booth he seemed to have a longer conversation with police while we just passed there ;-)
08:36<Eddi|zuHause>and the morale of the story: add a break inbetween :p
08:37<@planetmaker>and they indeed might not use radar. But simply the ticket times on those highways
08:37<krinn>one of the highest speedy guy caught by cops here didn't have his ticket :)
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08:37<@planetmaker>:-)
08:37<krinn>was alain prost on a ferrari but didn't remember the model
08:38<Eddi|zuHause>what actually happens if you enter the toll booth and say "i lost my ticket"?
08:38<@planetmaker>you probably go to the manual barrier. And pay the longest possible route
08:39<Eddi|zuHause>but that would "save" you the speeding ticket :)
08:39<@planetmaker>dunno. do try :-P
08:39<krinn>planetmaker, no, you'll pay the longest possible route and an extra
08:39<@planetmaker>might still be better than the speeding ticket ;-)
08:39<krinn>why? (well, just because they can)
08:40<krinn>the speeding ticket isn't the problem (as long as you got the money), the judge is
08:40<krinn>(lol or not if you have really lot of money)
08:40<Eddi|zuHause>the parking lot at our cinema charges 8€ for lost ticket (about a day rate of parking)
08:41<@planetmaker>so it's efficient if you park longer ;-)
08:42<Eddi|zuHause>krinn: well, the point is, if you don't have the ticket, they don't have the time necessary to calculate whether you were speeding
08:42<@planetmaker>unless they used radar :D
08:42<krinn>except they add radar in between that do that too
08:42<krinn>as people use device to tell where radars were, they add range radar that check from radar1 to radar2 distance and time taken
08:45<krinn>that country is quiet good at giving tickets :)
08:46<krinn>http://www.lefigaro.fr/automobile/2013/04/05/30002-20130405ARTFIG00421-le-palmares-des-radars-en-france.php
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08:46<krinn>21,2 millions flashs in 2012...
08:47<krinn>for like ~70 or 80 millions people (dunno we must be close to that), and not all are drivers
08:49<@Rubidium>krinn: more like 65
08:49<Eddi|zuHause>plus all the tourists?
08:50<krinn>yes should add tourists
08:50<krinn>but that's quiet good still no?
08:51<krinn>autobahn ffs!
08:52<@Rubidium>autobahn? where?
08:52<Eddi|zuHause>not found a similar statistics, but this is the amount of "fixed" radar places: http://www.radarfalle.de/radarfallen/statistik.php
08:52<@Rubidium>those few bits between the "baustelle"
08:53<Eddi|zuHause>then there are also spontaneous checks by the police, where they stand on the side of the road for a few hours
08:54<krinn>we have it too, else tourist are never ticket as radar just drop the ticket for tourist
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08:55<krinn>what the 2 columns mean ? anlagen insgesamt & davon mit winkelangaben
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08:57<Eddi|zuHause>"total", "with angle"
08:57<krinn>you mean bayern took only 89 flash ?
08:58<Eddi|zuHause>no, they have 89 devices installed
08:58<Eddi|zuHause>doesn't say how often they flash
08:58<krinn>oh
08:58<krinn>total 3979 radars so ?
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09:11<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, with a very uneven distribution
09:13<krinn>still that's a lot, we have ~4000 too here
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09:48<frosch123>yeah, apparently the state with the biggest area has about the fewest :p
09:48<frosch123>oi, your conversation was already an hour ago
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10:02<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r25648 /trunk/src (6 files) (2013-08-04 14:02:27 UTC)
10:02<@DorpsGek>-Change [FS#5669]: [NewGRF] Invalidate vehicle recolour palette during (un)loading.
10:20<roboboy>planetmaker, Do you mind if I forward you a PM I just got on the forums about OpenTTD in German?
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10:46<roboboy>all sorted
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11:16<LordAro>/o
11:19<@Rubidium>p
11:22<frosch123>q
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12:28<MadaraUchiha>Evening everyone
12:30<frosch123>welcome in idletown
12:32<V453000>asdf rainbows
12:34<MadaraUchiha>Heh
12:35<MadaraUchiha>I'm used to Stack Overflow, so idletown isn't really my thing :D
12:35<frosch123>hmm, someone got hacked :p
12:35<frosch123>i got a fake-paypal mail, which contains my correct adress :s
12:39<MadaraUchiha>lol, either that, or someone's selling you out xD
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12:51<Eddi|zuHause>so, which idiot told "Julia" how to change GRFs ingame... that's asking for trouble...
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12:58<LordAro>"Julia"?
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12:59<frosch123>someone with more oO than other letters in the nickname
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13:39<krinn>people just download a lib because they can ?
13:41<krinn>i have two projects that use the lib, and the two aren't in bananas, so nothing depend on the lib yet, but already 100 people download it...
13:41<frosch123>people download everything because they can
13:42<frosch123>it's a tedious hand infection
13:42<frosch123>you have to click everything
13:42<krinn>maybe you can get crazy with newGRF and new pictures... but an ai lib ?
13:43<Eddi|zuHause>should make a reality-tv show: "Internet Hoarders"
13:44<krinn>99 times with 0 usage (i suppose 6-10 get it for legit reason : use it or look at it)
13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r25649 trunk/src/lang/estonian.txt (2013-08-04 17:45:10 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>estonian - 54 changes by KSiimson
13:45<frosch123>krinn: there were online servers which used "debug vehicles"
13:45<krinn>lol
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13:46<Eddi|zuHause>i should really finish my "not-so-debug" vehicles somewhen :/
13:46<krinn>i never put aivehicletest to bananas to not mistake users that may think it's an ai. Now i see i was really really more than right
13:57<Zuu>krinn: That has happened to me several times before. :-)
13:58<Zuu>(higher library download count)
13:58<Zuu>I have stopped to care about that..
13:58<krinn>people are kinda weirds, bandwith, hdd space, they care about nothing
14:00<Zuu>9 k downloads of Beginner Tutorial scenario; 17 k downloads of the tutorial GS; 20 k dowloads of the ship AI for the tutorial.
14:00<Zuu>Both the GS and the AI is pretty useless without the scenario.
14:01<krinn>lmao
14:01<Zuu>The AI is hidden unless you have the ai_developer_tools activated. :-)
14:01<Zuu>Same for the GS
14:01<krinn>so it's just if (AI || GS) in "name" hit download ,
14:03<Zuu>Or people downloading all AIs, because evil people at the forums don't want to recommend them any AI but instead tell them to try all and see which one they like themself. :-p
14:04<krinn>ok for AI, but GS/AI LIB ?
14:04<frosch123>what's a lib?
14:04<frosch123>i see many things called lib. is it some corporate project?
14:05<Zuu> Or they just get all to not miss anything.
14:05<krinn>I think they are like "OMG new superlib, download it so all AIs run faster" :P
14:05<Zuu>:-D
14:06<Zuu>And all they get is a collection of sub libraries :-)
14:07<krinn>maybe openttd should add a checkbox for dependencies : check it to see and download what you want, keep it uncheck openttd will pickup what it need itself?
14:08<Zuu>What do you mean?
14:08<krinn>unless checked, libraries remain hidden
14:08<Zuu>Should users be able to download something without libraries?
14:08<krinn>people would need to check to see them (because it's rare case someone need an old version)
14:09<Zuu>Once a library has been marked for download it should be visible, but it can otherwise be hidden.
14:09<krinn>that's it, mark for download to met a dependency, else hidden
14:09<Zuu>It would be most usefull to remove the AI/GS libs from the scenario list :-)
14:11<Zuu>Before the first scenario, no less than 16 AIs/GSs and their libraries are displayed. (if you open online content form the play scenario dialog)
14:11<Zuu>And I guess all of those are my fault. :-)
14:12<krinn>:)
14:13<Zuu>That said, there is also 14 NewGRFs after AIs/GSs but before the scenarios.
14:13<krinn>is it because they are dep of some scenario ?
14:13<Zuu>yep
14:13<krinn>ah, maybe the hide dep isn't a bad option than
14:13<Zuu>And since 'S' in Scenario is later in the alphabet than all the dependencies, the deps are shown above.
14:15<krinn>don't get mad at it, it's cosmetic, better having a downloader that work, and right now, it works
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14:24<frosch123>o/
14:24<@Alberth>hi hi
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14:24<krinn>yop
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14:41<andythenorth>o/
14:42<@Alberth>\o
14:43<andythenorth>ho
14:43<andythenorth>I have a whole 364 days left to vote
14:44<frosch123>i think there should not have been a "no" option
14:44<frosch123>otoh you need something to click for the kids who want to click something
14:45<andythenorth>I might vote yes
14:45<andythenorth>let's think about it
14:47<@planetmaker>'lo andythenorth
14:49*planetmaker wonders what might be up to vote :D
14:49<@Alberth>apparently a boolean :)
14:50<@Alberth>planetmaker: we'll find out somewhen in the next 364 days :p
14:50<@planetmaker>:-) maybe the "do you still play..." question
14:51<frosch123>i wonder what result we would get if we would ask that question in this channel? :p
14:52<@Alberth>a discussion about the semantics of "play" :)
14:55<Aristide>http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/04/20130803_194534.jpg xD
14:55<Aristide>This cat is ...
14:55<Aristide>Hi x)
14:56<frosch123>do you know #tycoon ?
14:57<Aristide>No
14:58<frosch123>they love cat pictures
14:59*Alberth also loves upside down cats, but I am not allowed to discuss them
15:00<V453000>:d
15:00<krinn>if the cat is upside down on rails
15:00<Aristide>Alberth: :')
15:00<Aristide>xD
15:01<krinn>hi Aristide btw
15:01<Aristide>Hi krinn :)
15:02<@Alberth>Aristide: you can also try the off-topic forum at tt-f
15:02<Aristide>Alberth: What channel ?
15:02<Aristide>Oh !
15:02<Aristide>Sorry, Forum x)
15:02<krinn>hmmm, on forum
15:02<krinn>in irc, i'm afraid to speak about cats, it should be #gays
15:02<Aristide>x)
15:03<Aristide>I'm not Gay ... I Juste love myself
15:03<Aristide>*just
15:03<Aristide>:(
15:04<krinn>looks like some vandam cite : "I understand why gays love my body, gays love beauty"
15:04<Aristide>xD
15:05<V453000>CATS AINT GAY =[
15:06<krinn>no but gays love cats
15:06<Aristide>I love cats and me
15:06<Aristide>Dogs are faggots :x
15:06*Aristide run away ... far far away
15:06<krinn>Aristide, the real one is here -> http://www.echolaliste.com/x28.htm seek "L'homosexualité"
15:07<Aristide>" Une noisette, j'la casse entre mes fesses tu vois... "
15:07<Aristide>...
15:08<@Alberth>no idea what that means, so I'll refrain from any comments
15:09<andythenorth>how do I do /ignore again?
15:09<andythenorth>is it with /kban ?
15:09<frosch123>@op andythenorth
15:09-!-mode/#openttd [+o andythenorth] by DorpsGek
15:09<frosch123>maybe :)
15:09<@andythenorth>oh no :(
15:10<Aristide>xD
15:10<Aristide>!op Aristide
15:10<Aristide>:(
15:10<frosch123>it does not work on yourself
15:10<frosch123>and it's @
15:11<Aristide>@god Aristide
15:11<Aristide>Oh so okay ... (God mode is already set on Aristide)
15:11<krinn>better write it God else we may think
15:11<@andythenorth>hey it's Gromit http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=445834&nseq=8
15:12<frosch123>andythenorth: make a new object grf :)
15:12<frosch123>put grommits all over the map
15:12<@andythenorth>I'd need 80 gromit tiles
15:12<@andythenorth>the paddington one is all sad and lonely, I saw him last week
15:13<@Alberth>this one looks nice and shiny
15:14<frosch123>i think toyland needs some newobject grfs
15:14<frosch123>with cheeses or sausages
15:14<@andythenorth>what is toyland?
15:14<@Alberth>cheese cargo sounds good
15:14<frosch123>hmm, i guess V is not interested in newobjects
15:14*V453000 hereby declares andythenorth enemy
15:15<@Alberth>frosch123: grommit at rails?
15:15<V453000>toyland is everything
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15:15<@Alberth>wb
15:15<andythenorth>see, never give me op
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15:17*andythenorth had better do some work
15:17<andythenorth>meanwhile... http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=445831&nseq=15
15:18<V453000>fuck is that
15:18<V453000>that isnt toyland
15:18<andythenorth>yellowland
15:19<@Alberth>temperate with day/night cycle :)
15:20<andythenorth>hmm
15:20<andythenorth>palette shift
15:24<@Alberth>good night
15:24<andythenorth>bye
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15:35<MadaraUchiha>I need some help guys
15:36<MadaraUchiha>I have the following train setup, and I want both trains to be able to dock at the same time:
15:36<MadaraUchiha>(Hold on for SS)
15:36<MadaraUchiha>http://i.imgur.com/5Mv66tK.jpg
15:36<MadaraUchiha>I tried using path signals and I've crashed my trains twice now :P
15:37<MadaraUchiha>So anyone for the rescue? :P
15:38<krinn>can't you just build two lines ?
15:38<MadaraUchiha>I could, but I want to learn how to link trains and use lights properly
15:38<MadaraUchiha>I could just make interchanges for everything, but I want to be able to create networks.
15:40<krinn>so add path signal before/after station and add another one before the x on both sides
15:41<MadaraUchiha>Hold on, would you mind showing me that on a twiddla?
15:41<frosch123>http://wiki.openttd.org/Path_signals#Path_Signals <- has all the examples you need
15:42<MadaraUchiha>http://www.twiddla.com/1260059
15:42<MadaraUchiha>@frosch123 I've read it, but not fully understood it.
15:43<MadaraUchiha>And I thought, nothing better than an actual try/fail :P
15:44<krinn>there's an option that color the rails with path choosen by the train, activate it, you'll see your understand will get boosted
15:44<MadaraUchiha>I it activated!
15:44<MadaraUchiha>And I still don't see much of a difference.
15:44<MadaraUchiha>It is*
15:44<krinn>lol sorry then
15:45<MadaraUchiha>Show reserved tracks, right?
15:45<krinn>i think it's that
15:45<MadaraUchiha>This is with the option turned on, the picture that is.
15:46<MadaraUchiha>Anyone willing to show me that on the picture?
15:46<MadaraUchiha>http://www.twiddla.com/1260059 << you can draw on it here
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16:05<Aristide>Hi again
16:07<Aristide>http://www.lyonpatrimoine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/lyon-part-dieu-gare-sncf-1.jpg <3
16:08<krinn>i don't see any cats, but someone has drop trash in front of the station
16:09<Aristide>xD
16:10<Aristide>krinn: The cat is under train
16:10<Aristide>At the left, you can see a part of the subway entrance
16:10<Aristide>:x
16:11<krinn>at least this time, apple won't stole their clock design for sure
16:12<Aristide>xD
16:12<Aristide>Freetroll
16:12<krinn>can't even read the time!
16:13<Aristide>I can read the time :/
16:13<Aristide>Its 2:57
16:13<Aristide>AM or PM I don't know :x
16:13<krinn>oh the big red one is for minutes
16:14<Aristide>:)
16:14<krinn>i think it was for secs
16:15<Aristide>Yes
16:15<Aristide>http://photoenligne.free.fr/Rhone/Lyon/GarePartDieu/N14574.jpg And inside station
16:16<krinn>sorry, totally ugly for me
16:16<Aristide>For me too x)
16:17<krinn>http://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/antwerp.png now that's a train station !
16:17<Aristide>But the station is waiting for renovation
16:17<Aristide>Oyeah
16:17<krinn>to get their crappy commercial inside ?
16:18<Aristide>x)
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16:21<Zuu>krinn: Is that the city that is prounced as "meluse" or "melose", but is probably spelled differently.
16:21<krinn>mulhouse
16:22<krinn>http://www.panoramio.com/photo_explorer#view=photo&position=3025&with_photo_id=11582309&order=date_desc&user=976711
16:22<krinn>i know big link :(
16:22<Aristide>Lyon has 6 gares... And France has 5886 gares in activity (2010) ...
16:22<Aristide>Ok
16:22<krinn>that's my station, look at right line, you can see it is elevated and curve so trains can past it fast without stopping :)
16:22<Zuu>hmm, no not melhouse, but I think I've seen the station that you linked before, but can't remember where it was.
16:23<krinn>Antwerp Central Station — Antwerp, Belgium
16:24<krinn>http://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/antwerp2.png that's what i called a station !
16:24<Aristide>Oyeah
16:24<Zuu>Hmm, no - I was thinking about Strasbourg.
16:25<Zuu>Strasbourg now has a glas dome over the old entry, so it's hard to see on google street view.
16:26<krinn>http://www-zope.ac-strasbourg.fr/sections/enseignements/secondaire/pedagogie/les_disciplines/histoire-geographie/histoire_des_arts/des_exemples_d_appli/des_documents_realis/downloadFile/photo/nouvelle-gare-strasbourg-258995.jpg
16:26<Aristide>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2fRPRNdaUA This voice is sexy
16:26<krinn>too modern for my taste
16:27<Zuu>krinn: It has an old building inside
16:27<krinn>yes, that's why it ruin it
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16:31<krinn>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOdATLzRGHc seeing the cathenary at that speed, you know you don't want use that train tech to convoy you at such speed
16:32<Aristide>OH A cat on rail
16:32<Aristide>SPLASH !
16:33<krinn>i'm not sure you would have time to identify if it's a cat or something
16:34<Aristide>x)
16:34<Aristide>Yes its more ... "Oh a ... Nothing"
16:35<frosch123>night
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16:37<Aristide>krinn: Oh ! A splint !
16:37<Aristide>:D
16:37<Aristide></troll>
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16:41<krinn>ok night all
16:41<Aristide>krinn: Good night :)
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17:04<TWerkhoven>Xaroth?
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17:31<Xaroth|Work>TWerkhoven:
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17:31<TWerkhoven>just created an issue
17:31<Xaroth|Work>noticed
17:31<TWerkhoven>for some reason i cannot use TrackingAdminClient
17:35<Wolf01>'night
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17:38<Xaroth|Work>hm
17:39<Xaroth|Work>for some reason I can't reproduce the issue o_O
17:40<Xaroth|Work>TWerkhoven: can you try from libottdadmin2.adminconnection import AdminConnection
17:41<TWerkhoven>that works fine
17:41<Xaroth|Work>o_O
17:41<TWerkhoven>adminclient works fine too
17:41<Xaroth|Work>AdminConnection._settable_args ?
17:41<TWerkhoven>but soon as i try trackingclient it buggetrs
17:42<Xaroth|Work>should yield ['version', 'password', 'name', 'host', 'port']
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17:44<Xaroth|Work>TWerkhoven: perhaps try a full remove (maybe some old .pyc files) and reinstall
17:44<Xaroth|Work>of libottdadmin2
17:46<TWerkhoven>ill try restarting the bot jsut now, reinstall lib tomorrow
17:50<TWerkhoven>that seems to do the trick
17:50<TWerkhoven>no more errors
17:50<Xaroth|Work>restart or reinstall?
17:50<TWerkhoven>restart of bot, as opposed to reloading the plugin
17:51<TWerkhoven>it must keep the libs in memory even though my plugin is the only one using it
17:51<Xaroth|Work>probably
17:51<TWerkhoven>and unloading the plugin doesnt unload the lib
17:52<Xaroth|Work>iirc for supybot you have to tell it what extra to unload
17:52<TWerkhoven>could be, i did have to tell it to unload the accompanying config.py in order to refresh its contents
17:53*TWerkhoven makes mental note to restart lestat on update of libottdadmin2
17:54<Xaroth|Work>in __init__.py
17:54<Xaroth|Work>you can specify what else to reload
17:55<TWerkhoven>yeah, thats where i added config
17:55<TWerkhoven>think reload(libottdadmin2) will be sufficient?
17:56<Xaroth|Work>er, I'd go for the specific submodule
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17:56<TWerkhoven>k
17:56<Xaroth|Work>libottdadmin2.trackingclient sub-imports all the packets etc anyhow
17:56<TWerkhoven>ill have another read of the manual tomorrow
17:57<TWerkhoven>sleepytime soon for me
17:57<Xaroth|Work>same
17:57<Xaroth|Work>almost midnight
17:58<TWerkhoven>i think i have to work tomorrow
17:58<TWerkhoven>11 here
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18:15<TWerkhoven>gnite
18:16<Xaroth|Work>nn
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20:54<megakacktus>I'm working on a filter editbox for the load dialog
20:54<megakacktus>I'm having trouble actually getting the editbox to appear, though :(
20:59<megakacktus>I'm really unfamiliar with the ottd code, but here are some relevant (maybe) parts of my changes so far
20:59<megakacktus>https://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2463/
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