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#openttd IRC Logs for 2013-10-16

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01:43<dihedral>hello
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03:10<__ln__>HELLO
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03:11<__ln__>vale caseus
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06:15<bon>hi
06:19<NGC3982>Wat
06:37<bon>hi ngc?
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06:53<@planetmaker>moin
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07:01<bon>hi planetmaker
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07:12<zydeco>greetings, comrades
07:17<bon>hi zydeco
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08:20<@planetmaker>question to English native speakers: How do I name a function testing whether something is or was available? HasBeenAvailable()? WasAvailable()? ...?
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08:21<@planetmaker>We already have IsAvailable and IsEverAvailable for being available right now and being available at any point in history
08:22<@planetmaker>history as in past, present and future
08:22<peter1138>Was is pretty brief.
08:23<zydeco>I think HasBeen
08:23<zydeco>but I'm not fully native
08:25<@planetmaker>point is: the function shall return also true when the thing still is available
08:29<zydeco>HasBeen should work for that, although it may be a bit confusing
08:30<@planetmaker>ah, well. It comes with doxygen comment :D
08:32<LordAro>HasBeen and Was are pretty much interchangable, i think
08:33<LordAro>at least in this context
08:33<@planetmaker>hm :-) I was told in school that 'was' constitutes past which is finished while 'has been' a past which still has impact on today / now
08:33<@planetmaker>kinda
08:33<LordAro>there are some slight tense differences, but nothing that significant
08:33<LordAro>yeah, that, basically
08:33<@planetmaker>k
08:34<LordAro>although hasbeen kind of implies "still has impact" it's not necessary
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09:27<@Belugas>hello
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09:33<Yogi_Bear>Invitation http://www.tatuuu.com.br Calling the world
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09:34<V453000>tatuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
09:34<V453000>:D
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09:38<V453000>playguuuuu :D
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11:17<DanMacK>hoppin' place this morning... lol
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14:02<andythen_>O/
14:05<zydeco>O/: No such file or directory
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14:27<V453000>how do I change with parameter if a railtype defines signals or not?
14:30<V453000>ooh idea
14:31<frosch123>with "if" probably
14:31<frosch123>check manual industries source
14:31<frosch123>it does conditionally define stuff depending on parameters
14:32<V453000>I will check logic engine first, there I coded some parameters :)
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14:45<Eddi|zuHause>just know that you can't put switches inside an if
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14:45<Eddi|zuHause>only "item" blocks (properties, graphics)
14:45<Wolf01>hello
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14:47<V453000>hmm, how do I check for the parameter? :|
14:47<V453000>if (signal_parameter == 1) {}
14:47<V453000>?
14:50<Eddi|zuHause>yes
14:51<Eddi|zuHause>assuming "signal_parameter" is what you called it in the parameters section
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14:51<Eddi|zuHause>you can leave out "== 1" if it's a one-bit parameter
14:52<V453000>0/1 yeah
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15:02<V453000>if (signals == 1) { SIGNAL_PARAMETER = signal_switch; } and then I did graphics{ signals: SIGNAL_PARAMETER; }
15:02<V453000>nmlc screams this expression can not be assigned to a parameter
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15:03<V453000>on the line SIGNAL_PARAMETER = signal_switch;
15:03<V453000>what do?
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15:06<frosch123>put the "if" around the "signals:" in the item thingie
15:07<V453000>oh
15:07<V453000>how hideous
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15:11<V453000>graphics{ if (signals == 1) { signals: signal_switch; } like dat?
15:11<V453000>also signals: or signals =
15:11<Eddi|zuHause>:
15:11<@DorpsGek>Commit by planetmaker :: r25868 /trunk/src (newgrf_object.h table/object_land.h) (2013-10-16 19:11:34 UTC)
15:11<@DorpsGek>-Fix (r25650): Initialization of default objects swapped costs and dates
15:12<Eddi|zuHause>what does nmlc say about this line?
15:12<V453000>oh :D forgot to say
15:12<V453000>unexpected token if
15:12<Eddi|zuHause>then put if() {graphics { ... } }
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15:13<@planetmaker>iirc it must be outside item block
15:13<Eddi|zuHause>you can have multiple item/graphics sections
15:14<frosch123>https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/manindu/repository/entry/src/manindu.pnml#L123 <- this one does it with properties
15:15<frosch123>just try to find an analogue syntax for graphics
15:15<V453000>._.
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15:17<frosch123>the interesting stuff is always at line 123
15:17<@planetmaker>defining items conditionally on parameters or so with if is not exactly fun. lots of boilerplate
15:17<@planetmaker>:D in your grfs, of course
15:17<V453000>I am severely wtf-ed
15:18<V453000>I wanted to be a people person and let them evil users choose signals, but I am not sure if I am so generous anymore XD
15:19<Eddi|zuHause>i don't see what the problem is
15:19<V453000>that makes two of us
15:19<frosch123>it's obviously that v does not tell is the actual problem
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15:19<Eddi|zuHause>but like usual, we're looking at it from completely opposite angles :p
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15:21<@planetmaker>V453000,
15:22<@planetmaker>if (signal == 1) {
15:22<@planetmaker>item(blah ...) { ... }
15:22<@planetmaker>}
15:22<@planetmaker>else {
15:22<V453000>holy shit :o
15:22<@planetmaker>item(blah ...) { other blah }
15:22<V453000>alright
15:22<@planetmaker>}
15:22<V453000>so I just need to duplicate the item?
15:22<V453000>basically
15:22<@planetmaker>only the part with the if
15:22<@planetmaker>you can define it multiple times
15:23<V453000>right
15:23<@planetmaker>and only put the definition which differs in the if block
15:23<@planetmaker>e.g. with one single property. or callback
15:23<V453000>yarr
15:24<murr4y>ahoy
15:24<@planetmaker>V453000, http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/entry/src/railtypes.pnml#L510
15:24<__ln__>https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8260/10171989844_b77c879748_o.jpg
15:26<@planetmaker>photoshopped?
15:27<__ln__>doesn't look like it imho
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15:30<V453000>YAY it works XD
15:30<V453000>thanks yet again pm :)
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15:38<MNIM>hahaha, the V250
15:38<MNIM>probably real
15:39<MNIM>those things still go every once in a while for maintenance/testing reasons or something like that, but no passengers. :P
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15:44<Supercheese>Testing place-objects-at-map-gen patch
15:46<@planetmaker>hm... is there a point for the restrictions that lighthouses are only placed at the map border?
15:46<@planetmaker>Or should I simply change that to 'near coast'?
15:46<Eddi|zuHause>__ln__: looks like they didn't finish
15:46<@planetmaker>without additionally requiring map border vicinity
15:46<Supercheese>Near coast + body of water at least X size
15:47<V453000>^ nicer, same for refineries pm
15:47<Supercheese>would be silly to have lighthouses for a small lake
15:47<V453000>at least x side hm
15:47<V453000>how much pita to code? :D
15:47<@planetmaker>Supercheese, that can be the case for border-lakes, too
15:47<Eddi|zuHause>the refinery restriction is the most stupid one
15:47<Supercheese>^
15:48<V453000>everybody prepare your eyes to witness some serious wtf reading that follows:
15:48<V453000>I agree with Eddi|zuHause
15:48<V453000>.
15:48<Supercheese>Objects placed at map gen always seem to have view 0
15:48<Supercheese>Never other views
15:48<Supercheese>hmm
15:57<@planetmaker>might be that I didn't add that yet in the version you have, Supercheese
15:57<Supercheese>have an updated patch?
15:59<Supercheese>lemme compare the diff I have with the one currently online
15:59<@planetmaker>there's no update online
16:00<Supercheese>Hmm, they're the same, perhaps I had remnants from the first bad patch
16:01<Supercheese>Ah, nevermind then
16:02<@planetmaker>btw... currently lighthouses are near big oceans: http://imagebin.org/273829 :DDD
16:02<Supercheese>well, who knows what's beyond the border
16:02<Supercheese>although I understand your point
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16:03<@planetmaker>well. That placement rule can always be changed :-)
16:03<Supercheese>perhaps treat border tile as +infinite water? Or just no water size check
16:03*Supercheese shrugs
16:04<@planetmaker>it's just something I stumbled about and which became very obvious when I increased lighthouse count by a factor of 10 :D
16:04<Supercheese>anyway, have afternoon classes shortly
16:04*Supercheese should leave
16:05<@planetmaker>enjoy :-)
16:06<@planetmaker>or... gaudi habeas
16:07<@planetmaker>hm... gaudium habeas
16:08<@planetmaker>maybe I manage to upload an updated patch a bit later. So you could check after class :-)
16:09<V453000>if (signals == 0) { how do I OR 1? == 0 || 1 ?
16:09<V453000>I just copypasted the if for another with signals == 1 but you know .. :D
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16:10<@planetmaker>if ( (signals == 0) || (signals == 1) ) {
16:10<V453000>yayz
16:10<V453000>thanks :)
16:10<peter1138>I hope signals isn't a bit :p
16:10<V453000>has 0 1 2 now
16:10<@planetmaker>:-)
16:10<V453000>soo ... no, right, :D
16:10<@planetmaker>only left?
16:11<Tulitomaatti>what's ottd written on? (mostly? c? cpp?
16:12<__ln__>keyboard
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16:28<Bad_Brett>nice photo from 1910: http://www.gridenko.com/pg/h12E5FC4C#h12e5fc4c
16:31<frosch123>is that guy really spelled "shmidt" ?
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16:38<@planetmaker>Tulitomaatti, https://www.ohloh.net/p/openttd
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16:43<__ln__>but the license isn't really GPL-2.0+, is it?
16:49<@planetmaker>it's 2.0
16:49<@planetmaker>I mean... I'd consent to 2.0+. But... well, you know it :-)
16:49<__ln__>so there's inaccurate information on the internet, i'm shocked
17:00<V453000>fruits of your loins! :D purr 0.0.2 online
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17:01<V453000>gnight
17:04<frosch123>night
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19:31<Yogi_Bear>INVITATION http://www.tatuuu.com.br
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21:34<Supercheese>who?
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