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02:28<DJGummikuh>hello!
02:28<Supercheese>Salutations
02:28<DJGummikuh>one quick question, I'm just trying to get this admin port thingy to working. however, the server does not state that it's listening on port 3977 during startup and I also am not able to connect as it seems
02:28<DJGummikuh>am I missing something obvious here?
02:29<DJGummikuh>I configured the admin password in .oppenttd/openttd.cfg and started the whole rig
02:29<DJGummikuh>I even added 0.0.0.0 to server_bind_adresses as per your wiki stating that the admin interface only listens to localhost otherwise
02:30<Supercheese>I cannot answer that, sorry, I've never done network/multiplayer stuff
02:31<DJGummikuh>mmh ok seems I already found the issue...
02:31<DJGummikuh>:-/ I'm trying to connect to this admin port by using grapes on my machine... but grapes keeps insisting that it cannot properly connect
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02:42<DJGummikuh>MEH what am I doing wrong?
02:42<DJGummikuh>what does it take to make openttd open that damn admin port?
02:51<DJGummikuh>I am so smart! SMRT!
02:51<DJGummikuh>I edited the openttd.cfg while the server was still running
02:52<DJGummikuh>then when I shut it down for restart it overwrote the config with its own old one....
02:52<Supercheese>and then it gets overwritten on close
02:52<Supercheese>yep
02:52<DJGummikuh>very intuitive :)
02:59<Xaroth|Work>lolz
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04:08<LuHa>hello :D
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04:19<DJGummikuh>hey where do I find support for grapes?
04:19<@pm>dihedral, is the author for grapes
04:19<DJGummikuh>dihedral are you there?
04:19<DJGummikuh>*ping*
04:19<DJGummikuh>:)
04:21<@pm>DJGummikuh, better put a meaningful question in a highlight if the person is not around right now
04:22<DJGummikuh>mh agreed. however, at the moment the question for availability (given that he has no |away or similar at his nick) was meaningful enough for me ;)
04:22<@pm>otherwise it's just annoying if one sees a highlight eight hours later - and it's just a 'where are you'. Well, not here obviously ;-)
04:22<DJGummikuh>in addition, he's from germany so he should be awake at the moment
04:22<@pm>yeah. And at work thus
04:23<DJGummikuh>mh.. that's not really an issue I would assume ;)
04:23<DJGummikuh>anyways.
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04:33<Xaroth|Work>DJGummikuh: not everybody can chat while at work :)
04:34<@planetmaker>at least not always :-)
04:34<DJGummikuh>dihedral: I'm trying to wrap my head around grapes. Is there any tutorial on how to create a plugin? Or would it be easier to just use grape as a library?
04:35<DJGummikuh>dihedral: I have my chat running in screen, so if you can answer, just pm me with the answer please
04:35<@planetmaker>grapes consists of berries. Berries are the plug-ins for grapes
04:35<@planetmaker>there's at least one demo plug-in in that sub-project
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04:38<DJGummikuh>is dev.openttdcoop.org down? I can't connect to that server
04:39<@planetmaker>we lost connection to our server a few minutes ago. We're busy to start-up that stuff which failed to restart automatically
04:40<@planetmaker>try in a few minutes. Sorry for the inconvenience
04:40<DJGummikuh>oh ok. I already assumed it's my shitty internet :)
04:46<@planetmaker>should work again
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05:16<DJGummikuh>mmh is there a documentation about the berries api?
05:17<Xaroth|Work>somewhere on the bush
05:17<Xaroth|Work>next to the shrubberies
05:19<LordAro>quak
05:22<frosch123>moin
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05:37<LuHa>hi, i have some question.
05:38<LuHa>i coding some fixture. but i don't know hot can submit it.
05:38<LuHa>i just upload flyspray. it's correct?
05:40<frosch123>yup
05:40<LuHa>frosch123: wow, thx
05:40<frosch123>just don't expect it to be handled fast :p
05:40<LuHa>and how can i talk in #openttd.dev?
05:55<DJGummikuh>ok someone can give me a serious hint on where to look for support with berries? I can't seem to find a project page that has more than 1 3year old ticket on it for berries
05:56<frosch123>here or devzone project, that's all there is
05:57<frosch123>there are not many people messing with admin port
05:58<DJGummikuh>earlier someone mentioned a demo project - I can't even seem to find that...
05:58<DJGummikuh>frosch123: why not? it's an awesome additin from my point of view
06:00<frosch123>no idea, i think there are < 10 people who ever used it
06:00<frosch123>and half of them wanted to use a different programming language, so started over from scratch
06:01<frosch123>there is java, python, c#, c++, ...
06:01<frosch123>likely the latter 2 didn't even start up though
06:01<DJGummikuh>well java is perfect for me :)
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06:06<DJGummikuh>on what is the protocol based anyways? plaintext? rcp?packet enums?
06:06<@planetmaker>DJGummikuh, 'grapes' is the actual demo project. It uses the java lib 'joan' and plug-ins from 'berries'
06:07<Xaroth|Work>frosch123: the 2nd starts up :)
06:08<@planetmaker>afaik c#, too. But it's closed-source
06:08<Xaroth|Work>laaaame :P
06:08<@planetmaker>and not available for download either
06:08<@planetmaker>afaik
06:08<Xaroth|Work>even more laaaame :p
06:08<@planetmaker>yeah
06:10<@planetmaker>DJGummikuh, the documentation of graphes/berries/joan might be a bit older. But it is being worked on, albeit a slow pace - according to commit logs
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06:24<DJGummikuh>mmh.. ok but grapes seems to have no joan classes incorporated oO or is the package naming inconsistent here?
06:38<DJGummikuh>wtf I keep getting Connection timed out
06:38<DJGummikuh>even though the port is open
06:45<DJGummikuh>hmm my server can't reach the master openttd server?
06:46<DJGummikuh>dbg: [net] [udp] sendto([master.openttd.org]:3978 (IPv6)) failed with: 101
06:48<DJGummikuh>yay nice, beginning to work
06:50<DJGummikuh>Now is there a way that I can send a Message to the server without the format name:message?
06:50<DJGummikuh>like a broadcast message if you like?
06:51<DJGummikuh>'say blah' always prepends the name of the sender..
06:51<DJGummikuh>I can alter that but that is also logged in the client and I don't want that
06:53<DJGummikuh>haha nice :) [net] [admin] Rcon command from 'Simple Console' (0.1): 'kick 1'
06:53<DJGummikuh>ERROR: Silly boy, you can not kick yourself!
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07:05<Xaroth|Work>there is
07:05<Xaroth|Work>not sure how joan does that
07:06<Xaroth|Work>but libottdadmin2 does it
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07:13<nex259>Hi
07:17<MNIM>planetmaker: forgive me for ignorance, because I haven't checked lately, but has a form of cargodist made it into trunk/stable yet?
07:19<frosch123>trunk, 3 months ago
07:19<MNIM>oh. cool.
07:27<nex259>I cannot view/edit Japanese translation... my WT3 account settting is broken?
07:27<MNIM>Hmmmh.
07:30<MNIM>frosch123: where are the related settings?
07:30<@planetmaker>nex259, what's your registered user name?
07:31<nex259>"nex259"
07:31<@planetmaker>MNIM, adv. settings -> cargodist
07:31<@planetmaker>iirc
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07:31<@planetmaker>that person has editor access, thus nothing should have changed on our part, nex259
07:31<MNIM>0.o
07:31<Eddi|zuHause>i haven't used "stable" cargodist yet, but it was "linkgraph settings" or something
07:32<MNIM>something must be wrong, because I can't find it
07:32<Eddi|zuHause>MNIM: set the filter to settings for "advanced" and not "basic"?
07:34<@planetmaker>nex259, sometimes login is a bit... weired. Login normally. And then enter the http://translator.openttd.org manually again in the browser address bar
07:35<MNIM>It's set to all settings, still can't find.
07:35<MNIM>I'm starting to wonder if I updated correctly. :/
07:35<Eddi|zuHause>MNIM: easiest check: the title bar at the main menu
07:35<@planetmaker>you're not trying 1.3.2, yes?
07:36<@planetmaker>what's the version of OpenTTD you run?
07:36<nex259>hmm...
07:38<MNIM>1.3.2
07:39<@planetmaker>MNIM, well. That's not trunk
07:39<nex259>login success, and view other languages is no problem,but only Japanese is not
07:39<@planetmaker>get a nightly
07:39<MNIM>ooooh.
07:39<@planetmaker>nex259, 'edit' menu on top does not teleport you to editing Japanese?
07:40<@planetmaker>https://secure.openttd.org/translator/en/edit @ nex259
07:41<MNIM>Bleh. I thought it would've migrated into the releases by now.
07:41<@planetmaker>then we would have said so... but we said "trunk" ;-)
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07:42<nex259>teleport is success, but dont display any translation
07:42<@planetmaker>o_O
07:43<@planetmaker>you are right, nex259
07:43<nex259>and "XML error" message shown
07:43<@planetmaker>it's not your login
07:43<MNIM>planetmaker: ah. I kinda used trunk/releases interchangeably. didn't realize there was a difference
07:43<@planetmaker>trunk = development version
07:43<@planetmaker>development version != release
07:44<nex259>"HTTP Error: no XML data received"...
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07:49<@planetmaker>yeah. I see that. It might take a few hours fix that at least, nex259. The people who have permission to access the relevant part of the webtranslator are currently not online
07:50<@planetmaker>thanks a lot for pointing out that bug
07:50<nex259>thanks
07:53<@planetmaker>hm, I see that you actually reported that *one month* ago...
07:55<@planetmaker>and you reported it well and in the right place :S
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09:50<Eddi|zuHause>anybody besides me confused about planetmaker changing colours?
09:52<frosch123>when did he change colour?
09:52<frosch123>he used some weird nicks the previous days, but the main nick has still the same colour as always
09:54<frosch123>though i never figured out what makes nicknames coloured
09:55<frosch123>whether it's a pure client thing on the viewer's site, or whether the server has influence
09:55<SpComb>/nick SpComb
09:55*peter1138 nicks SpComb
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09:59<frosch123>"You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes." <- dorpsgek can be so cruel :(
10:10<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r25943 trunk/src/newgrf_debug_gui.cpp (2013-11-06 15:10:17 UTC)
10:10<@DorpsGek>-Fix: NewGRF inspect window in RTL mode.
10:13<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: konversation assigns the colour to the first nick that is writing something, nickchanges afterwards keep that colour. upon (daily) reconnect, that "memory" of the colour is reset
10:14<frosch123>i am using konversation as well, but that behaviour does not apply to my client
10:14<Eddi|zuHause>it might be a setting
10:17<frosch123>internet says conversation computed the colour from the nickname via some hash formula
10:18<Eddi|zuHause>that is a reasonable assumption
10:18<frosch123>hmm, maybe i misunderstood you
10:18<frosch123>maybe you reconnected when pm was using a different nickname
10:19<Eddi|zuHause>the first thing pm said today was with the nick "pm"
10:19<Eddi|zuHause>then he renamed to "planetmaker", but kept the "pm" colour
10:19<frosch123>yeah, then i misunderstood you
10:20<Eddi|zuHause>when i reconnect tomorrow, then it'll reset to the "planetmaker" colour, unless he changes nicks again
10:21<Eddi|zuHause>(that also works if he reconnects)
10:22<Eddi|zuHause>i can't find a setting for "remember nick colour after renaming"
10:22<frosch123>i doubt there i
10:23<frosch123>s
10:23<Eddi|zuHause>maybe it was not ported from kde3 to kde4 or something
10:23<Eddi|zuHause>or i remember another client
10:23<frosch123>konversation looked to me like the only program that did not completely change from 3 to 4 :p
10:44<Eddi|zuHause>there were a few changes
10:44<Eddi|zuHause>but i don't really remember anymore
10:45<Eddi|zuHause>there was something about tooltips not being carried over
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12:42<NGC3982>Poop.
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13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r25944 /trunk/src/lang (latvian.txt swedish.txt) (2013-11-06 18:45:14 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>latvian - 5 changes by Parastais
13:45<@DorpsGek>swedish - 2 changes by Joel_A
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13:50<andythenorth>O/
13:51<andythenorth>Meh, my SSD died
13:51<andythenorth>Or my mac
13:51<andythenorth>Dunno which yet
13:52<Eddi|zuHause>i had an USB stick die on me
13:52<Eddi|zuHause>as in can't write to it anymore, only read
13:52<frosch123>i had an usb stick with broken connector, when i held it and pressured it in a certain direction,l it still worked
13:53<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: maybe your writing license expired
13:54<LordAro>i have a usb stick which refuses to be recognised, despite being apparently perfectly fine physically
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14:26<Wolf01>hello o/
14:26<peter1138>is it me you're looking for
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14:43<apiecux>hello
14:43<apiecux>during game, is it possible to change sea level?
14:44<Eddi|zuHause>no
14:45<apiecux>and map size?
14:47<Eddi|zuHause>no
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15:52<nickshanks>it's been a while since i played. how do i buy a bus/train again? :)
15:52<Taede>do you have a depot?
15:52<nickshanks>yes
15:52<Taede>click the depot, then the button new vehicles
15:53<Taede>select from the list, click the buy button
15:53<nickshanks>don't see any buy button
15:53<nickshanks>"buy new vehicles" i mean
15:54<Taede>bottom left of the depot-window?
15:54<Taede>new vehicles
15:55<Taede>that opens a new window with vehicles which you can buy in that depot
15:57<nickshanks>http://web.nickshanks.com/openttd/bus-depot.png
15:57<nickshanks>that's what i see. has it changed since about a year ago?
15:57<Taede>ah, that is a station
15:57<@planetmaker>nickshanks, that's a station window
15:57<@planetmaker>and you should update your base set :-)
15:58<nickshanks>that's zBase
15:58<Taede>in the construction toolbar, the button to the right of the dynamite will build a depot
15:58<Taede>where you can build vehicles
15:58<@planetmaker>I see, yes. then don't update yet :-)
15:59<nickshanks>i get that window when i click on a bus depot
15:59<+glx>it's a bus station
15:59<nickshanks>oh, crap
15:59<nickshanks>i am building the terminus stations thinking they are depos
15:59<+glx>depots don't have names above them ;)
15:59<nickshanks>yeah, geez, i am a dufus
16:00<nickshanks>now i remember :D
16:00<nickshanks>26 October 2012 is the most recent saved game on my old computer
16:02<Eddi|zuHause>mine is 6. Apr 2012
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16:15<Wolf01>I started my last game on 2010, still playing
16:19<__ln__>in-game year 2010?
16:19<Wolf01>in R-word year :P
16:20<Wolf01>I play 1-2 hours every now and then, I think I'm on game-year 21xx
16:21<Kjetil>When I was young the game ended in 2070
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16:24<@planetmaker>likely another game
16:25<@planetmaker>This game allows endless play for at least 7 or 8 years
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16:31<Kjetil>well.. the years stopped progressing in 2070 :P
16:32<__ln__>that's right
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16:51<Wolf01>'night
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17:18<peter1138>Hmm... openswan...
17:21<Eddi|zuHause>Kjetil: no, it was 2090
17:21<__ln__>objection
17:21<Eddi|zuHause>1920+170
17:22<Eddi|zuHause>@calc 170*365.25
17:22<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: 62092.5
17:22<Eddi|zuHause>just short of 64k days
17:27<__ln__>@calc 150*365.25
17:27<@DorpsGek>__ln__: 54787.5
17:28<__ln__>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=1629
17:30<peter1138>Recommended packages: linux-headers-686-pae linux-headers-amd64
17:30<Eddi|zuHause>that is not OpenTTD
17:30<peter1138>lol
17:31<peter1138>That'll do good on a Pi...
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17:31<__ln__>obviously OpenTTD did not exist when people were young
17:31<Eddi|zuHause>but then it's not "the game" either :)
17:32<Eddi|zuHause>so it was "another game" like peter1138 said
17:32<__ln__>but it is "the game", openttd is only "a clone"
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17:34<peter1138>Eddi|zuHause, I what?
17:34<Eddi|zuHause>wrong p :p
17:35<Eddi|zuHause>it's the colours! i told you people! ::p
17:35<peter1138>You're all grey to me. I can read ;p
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18:01<NGC3982>Evening. :)
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23:28<Supercheese>Good Lord, the New Map Features patch is enormous
23:29<Supercheese>over half of the source files seem to be modified
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