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13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r26042 /trunk/src/lang (japanese.txt luxembourgish.txt) (2013-11-20 18:45:12 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>japanese - 3 changes by nex259
13:45<@DorpsGek>luxembourgish - 1 changes by Phreeze
13:45<LordAro>quiet here today
13:46<Eddi|zuHause>psst... you broke it...
13:49<TrueBrain>tempted to use @kick .. hmm
13:49<TrueBrain>so tempting ...
13:51<LordAro>DorpsGek did it first!
13:54<TrueBrain>but I cannot kick him .. he refuses to kick himself
13:54<LordAro>Eddi then? :p
13:55<TrueBrain>no, I like Eddi
13:55<TrueBrain>the insult is in the details :D:D
13:59<@DorpsGek>you don't like me? but, i am your friend!
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14:17<TrueBrain>where are klines when you need them?
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14:18<Xaroth|Work>amazed their oper tools haven't reacted after the third time tbh
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14:39*andythenorth accidentally read the suggestions forum
14:45<SpComb>andythenorth: reply to every topic on the first page
14:45<andythenorth>with super-polite but obscure replies?
14:45<andythenorth>thereby owning the front page?
14:48<SpComb>reply girl style
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15:22<andythenorth>so now what?
15:22<andythenorth>dice wars?
15:22<andythenorth>or something ottd related?
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15:23<Supercheese>What's this about a river boat set?
15:23<Supercheese>from the FISH/Squid thread
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15:24<frosch123>wtf.... why do people think a slope percentage would refer to an angle
15:24<Taede>they confuse openttd with reallife?
15:24<Supercheese>well, it's a grade, isn't it?
15:25<frosch123>100% slope means 1 height in 1 horizontal distance
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15:25<frosch123>50% slope mean 0.5 height in 1 horizontal distance
15:26<andythenorth>Supercheese: straw poll, would you prefer: river boats in Squid, always | river boats in Squid, parameter | river boats, different grf ?
15:26<andythenorth>assume 8 or 10
15:27<Supercheese>well, combining features in one grf is always better
15:27<Supercheese>due to the max grf limit
15:27<Supercheese>avoid splitting if at all possible, IMO
15:27<Supercheese>and I
15:28<Supercheese>arg, stupid apostrophe next to enter key
15:28<Supercheese>I'm always fond of parameters*
15:29<Supercheese>well, in the off chance someone doesn't want river boats, then they could turn them off
15:29<Supercheese>more flexibility
15:29<andythenorth>also you enjoy restarting games often, because you've forgotten to set a parameter?
15:30<andythenorth>or you didn't know about parameters at all?
15:30*andythenorth is concerned about those outcomes
15:30<andythenorth>although we now have a much better parameters UI, the process of setting them up fundamentally sucks
15:31<Supercheese>the only problems I have with parameters are when I update newgrfs and forget to set the parameters back to the way I had them, but I've learned to be cautious about that now
15:31<andythenorth>I've played a fair number of MP games - setup by regulars here no less, including me - where parameters were wrong or not set
15:31<andythenorth>which requires all kinds of shuffling of savegame crap to fix, or a restart
15:32<Supercheese>valid concern
15:32<Supercheese>I don't do MP so I've naturally not encountered that
15:32<andythenorth>anyway, I have no objection to repeating what HEQS does - turn groups of vehicles on / off
15:33<andythenorth>so I'll do that
15:33<andythenorth>what groups are useful?
15:34<andythenorth>River | Sea?
15:34<andythenorth>or something else
15:34<Supercheese>At most I could see: Passenger Ships / Fishing Ships / Bulk Cargo Ships / Tanker Ships / River boats
15:34<Supercheese>and possibly also Small Utility craft
15:34<andythenorth>Squid is designed on 3 grops of 10
15:34<Supercheese>that's too many, probably
15:35<andythenorth>Passenger / Packet ships
15:35<andythenorth>General Cargo Ships
15:35<Supercheese>but fairly comprehensive, methinks
15:35<andythenorth>Specialist Ships
15:35<andythenorth>River Ships is an oddball addition of 8 or 10 for inland use
15:36<Supercheese>hmm, there'd be some overlap between Specialty and River boats
15:36<Supercheese>i.e. log tug
15:36<andythenorth>that's specialist, according to set design
15:36<andythenorth>set design might not match up with player world view
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15:39<Supercheese>it does seem highly specialized
15:39<Wolf01>hi \o/
15:44<frosch123>dammit, i cannot remember being so angry about a post in the suggestion topic before
15:46*andythenorth now has to guess which
15:46<andythenorth>back to that forum again :(
15:48<andythenorth>frosch123: for context 'in real life' might mean 'in my small closed bubble of existence as an unworldly train spotter in the UK'
15:48<andythenorth>% grades seem to be common in US, I guess Europe
15:49<andythenorth>I don't understand how it's relevant to OTTD though
15:50<Supercheese>I've heard of grades expressed in X in Y, but more commonly in percent
15:51<andythenorth>wtf the trig has to do with it I am unsure :)
15:51<andythenorth>a 20% grade is 1 in 5 afaik
15:51<frosch123>the poster apparently thought % slope refers the the angle
15:51<frosch123>100% slope = 360 degree slope
15:51<frosch123>50% slope = 180 degree slope
15:51<andythenorth>lolwut etc
15:51<frosch123>25% slope = vertical wall
15:52<andythenorth>still, we can all be mistaken :)
15:52<andythenorth>stay out of that forum?
15:53<andythenorth>then it will be a nice surprise when you see the xml-driven, 100% realistic, 3D (cubicles), multi-threaded, massively multiplayer game with a fully demand-driven economy, all implemented in javascript
15:54<andythenorth>although (seriously) this is the best suggestion I have seen in ages, and should be a major feature for April 1
15:54*andythenorth is *not* trolling
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15:55<frosch123>i play without sound
15:55<frosch123>sound is reserved for music or video
15:55<frosch123>not stupid oink oink stuff
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15:56<DanMacK>Hey all
15:58<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: thanks, i wanted to say that earlier but couldn't find the words
15:58<Eddi|zuHause>(i mean the math stuff, not the oink stuff :p)
15:59<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: is my pythoras correct? or did i mess up some signs?
16:00<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: but he did specify X means horizontal
16:00<frosch123>i don't want anyone on the forum to correct my post :p
16:01<frosch123>oh, indeed
16:01<Supercheese>If TTD had the "press X to play train whistle" feature when I was a lad, I would have used the **** out of that feature
16:01<Eddi|zuHause>Supercheese: go play simcity.
16:01<Eddi|zuHause>well, simcity 4 has that feature
16:01<Supercheese>past tense ;)
16:02<Eddi|zuHause>sim city 4 is like 10 years old already
16:02<Eddi|zuHause>i'm not even sure how old it is
16:02<Supercheese>I remember when SimCity 2000 was new
16:03<@planetmaker>I remember when SimCity was new...
16:03<Supercheese>I was a bit young to grasp all the game mechanics of SimCity
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16:03<SpComb>I'm too old to remember all the cheats of SimCity
16:04<Supercheese>although I recall massive tornadoes and such being rather amusing
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16:04<Eddi|zuHause>i only remember the FUNDS cheat of simcity, where after the 5th time you get an earthquake
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16:06<zydeco>greetings, comrades
16:06<Supercheese>wait what?
16:06<Supercheese>No more Winamp?!
16:07<Eddi|zuHause>i haven't used winamp since i stopped using win :p
16:07<Supercheese>Winamp has been my go-to music player for years, sad news
16:08<zydeco>I got a weird error, but it may have be because I edited the newgrfs
16:08<NGC3982>I used to download from
16:08<NGC3982>That was <3.
16:09<zydeco>it was a normal "can't remove road" message, but it said the tile was owned by Passengers
16:09<zydeco>which was not the name of any company
16:09<Eddi|zuHause>zydeco: that sounds funny :p
16:10<Eddi|zuHause>zydeco: did a company get bankrupt somewhen?
16:10<frosch123>[22:04] <Eddi|zuHause> i only remember the FUNDS cheat of simcity, where after the 5th time you get an earthquake <- that's why you did it at game start
16:10<frosch123>got 100k, and used it to fill the map
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16:11<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: yeah. i don't know how, but i had a cracked version that gave you if you started in easy mode
16:11<zydeco>no, it was owned by another company
16:11<zydeco>after a while it changed to the actual company name
16:11<frosch123>i remember my brother using a hexeditor to cheat money
16:11<frosch123>and ending up with a negative amount :p
16:12<Eddi|zuHause>hehe :p
16:12<Eddi|zuHause>zydeco: but i don't see how changing newgrfs could cause that
16:13<@planetmaker>haha :-P well cheated
16:14<Eddi|zuHause>later i had this program called "dirty little helper" which contained cheats for more games than i could ever play
16:15<frosch123>yeah, before the internet there were lexicons as software
16:17<Eddi|zuHause>hm, still seems to exist
16:17<andythenorth>Supercheese: have you played a game with Squid btw?
16:17*andythenorth has some proposed changes
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16:18<zydeco_>is this one of those things you can wait and they fix themselves?
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16:32<Wolf01>I just read the topic in suggestions
16:32<Wolf01>about the slopes
16:36<Eddi|zuHause>zydeco: we have no clue what this is unless you give us a savegame from before it happened and a way to reproduce it
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16:37<zydeco>I was just commenting on it because it was funny, it happened earlier today
16:37<zydeco>but I'll save next time
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18:53<alluke>phone game shows in tv
18:54<NGC3982>What aboot it.
18:54<alluke>are they all bullshit
18:55<+glx>easy money for the tv
18:55<alluke>they cash the dumb people
18:56<alluke>ive watched one show three nights in a row
18:56<+glx>and the questions are easy enough so all the idiots call to try to win
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18:56<alluke>actually, no
18:57<alluke>in that show theres something almost impossible to notice
18:57<alluke>to make sure noone answers right
18:58<+glx>there should be a winner else other won't call ;)
18:58<alluke>they dont tell the winner on tv afaik
18:58<alluke>they contact them "personally"
18:59<NGC3982>While using a prospecting raw material industry constructions, is it possible for the industry not to be placed at all?
18:59<NGC3982>Dag nabit.
18:59<+glx>when prospecting you can find nothing
18:59<+glx>like real life ;)
18:59<NGC3982>I was afraid of that.
18:59<NGC3982>Well then, i learned something.
19:00<alluke>today theres this game
19:00<NGC3982>A two hour wait for money that resulted into dust and heat.
19:00<alluke>how many kg is in the picture
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19:02<NGC3982>glx: Actually answering that question might be a good reason not to watch TV ever again.
19:02<NGC3982>It's almost a haiku itself.
19:02<alluke>i got 440 kg
19:02<alluke>did youu count the weights seen trough the holes
19:03<+glx>oh right
19:03<+glx>tricky :)
19:03<alluke>i think i noticed something
19:04<alluke>theres little bit of yellow visible between the blue red and yellow weights in the front
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19:04<alluke>may that be the trick?
19:05<+glx>oh true
19:06<+glx>but as I said it seems easy enough for a lot of people to call
19:06<alluke>that little yellow dot is the trick
19:06<alluke>people count only the visible weights and the holes
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19:06<+glx>I forgot the holes at first try ;)
19:08<+glx>I have 465 without the yellow dot
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19:12<alluke>i calculated something wrong at the first try
19:13<alluke>so with the dot the answer would be 485
19:13<+glx>but smart people don't call ;)
19:13<alluke>and dumb people get rich :P
19:17<alluke>the yellow in the red and upper blue weights could be the same
19:18<+glx>or the small dot is from yellow in red
19:20<alluke>but there must be two yellow weights because one cant cover all the holes
19:21<+glx>it's almost impossible to get the answer
19:21<+glx>so you need to send multiple answer ;)
19:22<+glx>and give more money to the tv
19:23<alluke>all those shows are made by some hungarian tax heaven company
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19:23<+glx>oh and phone providers take a share :)
19:24<alluke>that too
19:25<alluke>and prolly some extra since its foreign call
19:26<alluke>rip winamp
19:27<alluke>some idiot just called
19:27<alluke>"what answer? what question? what picture?"
19:31<Eddi|zuHause>they stopped those shows here after some courts put down ground rules on how "winnable" the games must be
19:32<alluke>where do you live
19:32<Eddi|zuHause>at home, obviously
19:32<alluke>which country?
19:33<alluke>did someone sue the game company or what?
19:34<Eddi|zuHause>i suppose it was some customer rights group
19:35<Eddi|zuHause>there were also other incidents, like people getting charged 200 times for the same phone call and stuff
19:36<alluke>someone just answered 445
19:36<alluke>i wonder if he'll win
19:38<Eddi|zuHause>all i know is that these shows were literally everywhere, then there were the court cases, and then they all stopped almist simultaneously
19:40<alluke>i think hosting that show could be pretty good job
19:40<alluke>youll move to budapest for few months and get paid
19:40<Eddi|zuHause>i doubt that pays well
19:41<alluke>i think the housing is free
19:41<alluke>and hungary is cheap country
19:41<alluke>but you could use it as holiday
19:41<alluke>since you dont work every night
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20:10<alluke>last 5 callers
20:10<alluke>then theyll reveal the correct asnwer
20:22<alluke>AND THE ANSWER IS 465
20:22<alluke>500 euros divided to 8 players
20:22<+glx>we had it :)
20:23<alluke>everyone gets 62,50€ :P
20:23<alluke>new game now
20:23<alluke>that word game again
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