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---Logopened Sat Nov 30 00:00:56 2013
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04:44<Wolf01>hi hi
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05:21<Wolf01>hello Alberth
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05:40<@planetmaker>*poof* o/
05:42<LordAro>/o planetmaker
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06:56<Wolf01>oooooh train simulator 2014 -82% on steam
06:57<@peter1138>I know :(
06:58<@planetmaker>good or bad?
06:59<@peter1138>Yeah... it's downloading now...
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07:13<__ln__>i guess i need it too
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07:16<Wolf01>I need half of the games on steam, but I must not fall in the trap again, I already purchased enough bundles to play for the rest of my days
07:21<@Alberth>so you don't really need them :p
07:21<Wolf01>it's like chocolate, do you really need it?
07:24<@Alberth>even if you have enough chocolate in your house to last a life time?
07:25<Japa_>If I had a house full of chocolate, I'd use it to get girls
07:27<@planetmaker>One of my best doesn't like chocoloate. No idea what's wrong with her :P
07:27<@planetmaker>*best friends
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07:27<__ln__>Wolf01: you need to outsource
07:29<Eddi|zuHause>Alberth: no matter how much chocolate it is, it will never ever last that long
07:30<@Alberth>Eddi|zuHause: you may be very lucky not to have that much chocolate then :)
07:31<Eddi|zuHause>chocolate is like free HDD space
07:32<Eddi|zuHause>no matter how much you got, it immediately is gone
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08:06<Wolf01>I've just open my 80% cocoa chocolate table.. not bar, table.
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11:29<andythenorth>@seen danmack
11:29<@DorpsGek>andythenorth: danmack was last seen in #openttd 5 days, 19 hours, 26 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <DanMacK> Hey all
11:32<@planetmaker>probobaly covered under metres of snow :D
11:39<andythenorth>hmm, I can disable breakdown smoke?
11:39<andythenorth>maybe that's just trains
11:40*andythenorth looks in spec
11:40<andythenorth>oh yeah
11:41<andythenorth>I forgot, it's a train game
11:41<andythenorth>yay, prop 17 has it for ships too :)
11:42<andythenorth>should I disable breakdown smoke for ships?
11:49<kero>I don't think
11:49<kero>even if it shows a little bit weird for the wood hugs
11:50<kero>smoke is useful to actually see that there's a breakdown
11:50<kero>(hi, btw)
11:58<skyem123>is the REplay version of transport tycoon the windows one or dos one.
11:59<juzza1>change the smoke offset?
12:00<juzza1>oh, i didnt really think this through
12:01<juzza1>was thinking about the normal smoke/visual effect :P
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12:11<@planetmaker>yeah, I prefer a visual feedback for broken vehicles, too
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12:45<NGC3982_>Is connecting multiple airports to one possible by configuration?
12:45<Super_Random>I actually don't know
12:45<Super_Random>never used airports that much
12:48<@planetmaker>one airport per station. Not more
12:55<@peter1138>Hmm, can't see how to renew certificates on this firewall :S
12:57<@peter1138>Seems I have to create a new identity with a new CSR every time, then switch all the config to use the new identity. Seems dumb...
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13:07<NGC3982_>PM: Allright.
13:08<Sacro>Why do I have to accept the GPL to install OpenTTD on Windows?
13:09<Sacro>It's a redistribution licence, not a usage one
13:09<Sacro>@seen Bjarni
13:09<@DorpsGek>Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 2 years, 7 weeks, 6 days, 17 hours, 50 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh
13:12<@peter1138>A lot of stuff does that :(
13:17<Sacro>And OpenTTD shouldn't
13:17<Sacro>I declined the GPL and it wouldn't install, that there's a bug
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13:18<V453000>enjoy having problems
13:21<LordAro>Sacro: i'm sure you're able to raise a bug report, if it really matters to you ;)
13:22<Sacro>I don't raise bug reports
13:22<LordAro>well you're not entitled to complain when things are broken then ;)
13:23<Sacro>That's just not true
13:24<LordAro>s/you're not entitled/it's a bit pointless/
13:25<juzza1>you are not forced to do anything, but the best way for you to get your suggestion through is to make a bug report
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13:44<Sacro>so you can use "content upgrade" to get the new files off bananas
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13:44<Sacro>but how do you get openttd.cfg to recognise them in a new game?
13:45<@planetmaker>edit openttd.cfg?
13:46<LordAro>why do you want openttd.cfg to recognise them? you can just add them in the newgrf settings
13:46<Sacro>I hoped it'd be more automated than that
13:46<Sacro>LordAro: not on a dedicated server
13:46<@planetmaker>Sacro, how could it? How can OpenTTD decide which NewGRFs you want to have on your server? Whether you want to use this or that or both, but not another?
13:47<@planetmaker>there absolutely is no way OpenTTD can ever decide which NewGRF *you* want
13:47<@planetmaker>even not when one assumes that you only want NewGRFs which are the 'latest version' of them
13:47<frosch123>since when is the opinion of the player important?
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13:53<Sacro>planetmaker: they share GRFID
13:53<Sacro>surely that gives half a clue
13:53<Sacro>And given it can auto update
13:53<+glx>there's no grfid in .cfg
13:53<Sacro>there's no reason it couldn't pull in the new .tar and then add itself into [newgrf] section
13:59<@peter1138>Heh, TS2014 back to £20.99
14:02<Sacro>TAI doesn't seem to be overriding default tree plac
14:02<@planetmaker>tree placement is not newgrf-able
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14:07<Sacro>I meant forest
14:08<frosch123>forest of houses?
14:14<Sacro>TAI basic industries isn't removing all the default forests
14:14<Sacro>@seen Pikka
14:14<@DorpsGek>Sacro: Pikka was last seen in #openttd 8 weeks, 0 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <Pikka> wombatbuses
14:14<Sacro>@seen Pikka*
14:14<@DorpsGek>Sacro: Pikka* could be Pikka (8 weeks, 0 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes, and 19 seconds ago), pikkas (41 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, 27 minutes, and 28 seconds ago), pikka2 (47 weeks, 1 day, 16 hours, 54 minutes, and 23 seconds ago), Pikka_ (1 year, 33 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 44 minutes, and 2 seconds ago), Pikka|afk (3 years, 36 weeks, 5 days, 4 hours, 32 minutes, and 30 seconds ago), or Pikkaaa (3 years, 37 (1 more message)
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14:36<andythenorth>so I might play a game
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14:37<andythenorth>I still don't understand cargodist
14:37<frosch123>is that a good thing?
14:37<frosch123>usually games are more fun if you do not understand them completely
14:38<frosch123>it leaves room for interpretation and imagination :)
14:39<andythenorth>last game I tried was a mess
14:40<andythenorth>I approached it like YACD
14:40<andythenorth>and I tried using autorefit
14:40<andythenorth>one of those is wrong, and one of those is broken
14:41<andythenorth>so I guess I should forget about YACD-style play
14:41<andythenorth>and also forget about autorefit :)
14:41<@Alberth>initial setup of auto-refit is somewhat more complicated than what you'd ideally want
14:42<andythenorth>it's too fragile
14:42<andythenorth>having to change that 'distribute cargo to stations even without a demand' switch is not at all obvious
14:42<andythenorth>and then having cargo waiting everywhere makes it hard to figure out what cdist is actually doing
14:42<@Alberth>you don't actually have to do that, just refit to the desired cargo one time
14:43<@Alberth>cdist doesn't really like it if you change train movements, it has to run some calculations, and then play catchup
14:44<@Alberth>so it's a mess for some time
14:44<@Alberth>not something you have to worry about very much, it sorts itself out eventually
14:44<andythenorth>autorefit seems like it was designed with yacd in mind, and now I find it kind of useless
14:45<@Alberth>I had a good use for it with fruit and maize in tropical
14:45<frosch123>i used it for candyfloss/sugar/toffee
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14:46<@Alberth>but not doing autorefit may be better for understanding what cdist is doing
14:47<andythenorth>I'm sure I found in my last game that autorefit doesn't work even with explicit orders
14:47<andythenorth>I spent some 30 mins or so testing different things
14:47<andythenorth>no cargo is distributed to the station iirc
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14:49<@Alberth>cdist takes some time to add new stations to the distribution
14:50<@Alberth>usually it does get some, unless it is far away across the map from the creating industry
14:51<@Alberth>also having symmetric distribution limits choices here
14:51<@Alberth>then you only get as much cargo as the smallest amount that can be transported
14:52<@Alberth>which obviously fails horribly with most industries
14:52<andythenorth>iirc, the issue was that industries simply didn't distribute cargo to the station
14:53<andythenorth>the autorefit didn't seem to mark the station as visiited by a vehicle with that refit
14:53<andythenorth>but I might be talking rubbish, it was months ago
14:53<andythenorth>anyway, I'm compiling for a new game :)
14:54<@Alberth>oh, it worked for me, but you do need to visit a station with at least one wagon for each cargo you want to exchange there
14:56<Eddi|zuHause>that's probably something that needs to be improved
14:57<@Alberth>which holds for almost all parts of the program :)
14:58<andythenorth>I am smoking crack, autorefit with explicit order does work
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14:58<andythenorth>is cdist now on by default for all cargos?
14:59<andythenorth>I can't see an off switch
14:59<Eddi|zuHause>"manual" means "off"
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16:21<NGC3982>I wonder where that _ came from.
16:22<Eddi|zuHause>usually because you put it in your alternate nick
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