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06:33<NGC3982>I guess it's time i start using conditional order jumps.
06:34<NGC3982>It has been a couple of years since.
06:35<NGC3982>__ln__: Should i use "it's been", or "it has been"?
06:35<__ln__>Both are correct and mean the same.
06:36<NGC3982>I know, let me rephrase.
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06:36<NGC3982>Should i only use one of them, and does it sound weird mixing it between sentences?
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06:37<NGC3982>Hey, calm the poop down.
06:37<MNIM>oh hey, an RC?
06:40<__ln__>NGC3982: Well, contractions do not belong to academic or otherwise very formal text. Other than that, I don't see a problem.
06:50<Eddi|zuHause>i wouldn't mix them
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07:08<__ln__>Applies to other contractions too, in the same text.
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08:56<Eddi|zuHause>man civ4 is diplomatically difficult if you have a different religion than the rest of your continent...
08:57<@peter1138>Sounds realistic.
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09:04<Eddi|zuHause>but i can't even change my religion to theirs, because i have no city which has it
09:14<@peter1138>Oh, you don't "learn" religion in that version?
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09:21<Eddi|zuHause>the first one to research a certain tech starts the religion, then it spreads from city to city along trade routes
09:22<Eddi|zuHause>until every city has one religion, then it can only spread through missionaries
09:23<Eddi|zuHause>and you can pick any religion as state religion that you have in at least one city
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10:25<@peter1138>__ln__, got them all right, though I had to use a calculator for the last one :S
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10:59<V453000>OH GOD FORUM SNOW
10:59<V453000>not again
11:12<Eddi|zuHause>there's a "temperate" style now :)
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11:43<checkbook>i LOVE how the openttd forum looks
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12:04<DanMacK>Hey all
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12:42<Eddi|zuHause>oh the joy when you lose your general in a 95% battle...
12:44<MNIM>what game/
12:51<LordAro>civ4, i assume
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12:54*Pinkbeast almost always settles generals
12:54<MNIM>playing freeciv, but that doesn't have generals.
12:55<Pinkbeast>I was talking to JTN about this, who does freeciv development - I'd love to see "Civ 4 with hexes" in freeciv
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12:59<MNIM>playing a 2000x4000 or so map gets boring after a while.
12:59<MNIM>or, more accurately, rather longwinded.
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13:00<Pinkbeast>OTOH a tiny x tiny map does risk the "well, I've hooked everything up in 1940, what now" problem :-/
13:01<MNIM>It's not even 1830 yet
13:01<@planetmaker>Pinkbeast, there's always the option of maps with intermediate sizes ;)
13:01<MNIM>and Im already at war with most of the planet for trying to colonize space
13:02<MNIM>that's one really, really annoying thing about trying to win with diplomacy, though.
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13:03<MNIM>AIs that weren't on your starting team still protest for my unilateral domination when you're allied to them.
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13:31<NGC3982>It's Saturday night, I have no date, a two-liter bottle of Shasta and my all-Rush mix-tape.
13:31<NGC3982>I'm about to try that script thingy out
13:31<Kjetil>Actually it's wedensday
13:31<NGC3982>That makes my server auto-restart onto the same save game.
13:31<@Alberth>yeah, I was wondering about the day too :)
13:31<NGC3982>That sounds like a treat.
13:32<@Alberth>maybe having an early saturday? :)
13:32<@Alberth>midway tag
13:32<Kjetil>Mittwoche ?
13:32<NGC3982>Ouch. Right in the veteran.
13:33<NGC3982>Is restarting a game noted as an "In-game" action?
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13:41<NGC3982>I'm trying to find a good way to autostart a dedicated server on <year> with forced save- and config file.
13:42<NGC3982>restart_game_year only restarts prior to openttd.cfg, wich is not the used config file.
13:42<NGC3982>Also, i can't seem to find the right way to use this as a game script.
13:42<NGC3982>Or, i do not understand it properly.
13:43<Taede>loading a specific savegame upon reaching year xxxx?
13:43<NGC3982>Yes, with a specific config file.
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13:44<Taede>what are you using from the config file that is not saved, and will change between games?
13:44<NGC3982>The networking stuff.
13:44<NGC3982>Port, server name and passwords.
13:45<Taede>dont those stay the same though?
13:45<Taede>or are you changing the port for every game
13:45<NGC3982>No, they don't. I'm running several servers on the same server.
13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r26143 /trunk/src/lang (5 files) (2013-12-04 18:45:26 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>danish - 15 changes by Hellwing
13:45<@DorpsGek>english_AU - 8 changes by mrtux
13:45<@DorpsGek>korean - 2 changes by telk5093
13:45<@DorpsGek>latvian - 1 changes by Parastais
13:45<@DorpsGek>luxembourgish - 6 changes by Phreeze
13:46<NGC3982>By using 'openttd -D -c <file> -g <config>', launched in it's own screen.
13:46<Taede>ah, but each running instance of openttd (one per server) will retain the same ones
13:46<NGC3982>The same what? Config file?
13:46<Taede>might be time to think of adminport
13:46<NGC3982>Oh, ok.
13:47<NGC3982>Well, yeah. I noticed it restarts the game by randomizing a new game, using openttd.cfg.
13:47*NGC3982 googles adminport
13:48<Taede>by having a 3rd party program connect to each server on its admin-port, they can control the server with more control
13:48<Taede>soap is an example, but is probably overkill if you don't need an irc-bridge
13:48<NGC3982>I do think i know what you mean by IRC bridge
13:49<Taede>though it could incorporate the functionality you are looking for
13:49<NGC3982>And i guess that would be nice.
13:49<NGC3982>But yes, i do not really need -more- than this.
13:50<Taede>do you program at all?
13:50<NGC3982>Not really
13:51<NGC3982>I get the concept of code, but anything beyond hello_world is asking for too much.
13:52<NGC3982>Thanks for the "Bro, do you even lift" moment, also.
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13:54<NGC3982>I guess i could solve this by creating the entire config file from scratch (instead of using savegame), and then use reload_cfg
13:55<NGC3982>Including NewGRFs, difficulty and network settings
13:55<NGC3982>But with a new seed.
13:55<NGC3982>Wich i guess it's allright.
13:55<NGC3982>Mr. Dihedral apparently knew about this hoodoo.
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13:56<NGC3982>Although, this leads me to another thing.
13:57<NGC3982>If i start a generated game in Windows and save the game - Can i also save the config file that is created for that save game (excluding the save file, of course)?
13:57<NGC3982>Since that would save me having to edit an entire config for every new server.
13:58<Taede>close openttd down (the one you used for generating the game)
13:58<Taede>then copy the relevant sections over into a new copy
13:59<Taede>newgrf/mapgeneration related sections most importantly
14:00<NGC3982>I'll try it.
14:07<NGC3982>Taede: Brilliant.
14:08<NGC3982>Hm. Although, it did not seem to find the added NewGRFs on start.
14:09*NGC3982 thinks his folders are not setup correctly.
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14:10<Wolf01>hello :D
14:10<@Alberth>hi hi :D
14:15<NGC3982>I wonder if the restart function calls on reload_cfg.
14:17<NGC3982>Is the [newgrf] part case sensitive?
14:18<NGC3982>Since the Windows version downloaded everything with correct uppercase letters
14:18<NGC3982>And Linux didn't.
14:19<@Alberth>if it contains paths or filenames, it's likely to be case sensitive for case sensitive file systems
14:20<Taede>the [newgrf] section is all lowercase for me (win7)
14:20<Taede>while the files have capital letters in them
14:21<NGC3982>Yes, i was looking at the folders.
14:21<NGC3982>I think i have done something strange.
14:21<Taede>are you resterting from within the game? or shutting down and then starting it up again?
14:21<NGC3982>I guess i need to re-download the NewGRF's on Windows, and then transfer them again. The config in Windows should correspond to the same config used in Linux, right?
14:22<NGC3982>Taede: I started a Windows game, shut it down and saved the config as specific in my Linux system. Alternated it a bit and runned it with -D and -c.
14:23<NGC3982>I guess i messed up the paths somewhere in the middle.
14:26<Taede>also make sure the linux server has the exact same versions of each newgrf
14:26<NGC3982>Yes, i removed everything and synced the content folders.
14:28<NGC3982>Hm, still not working.
14:32<NGC3982>Every time i start OpenTTD dedicated and it cannot find the NewGRF files, it removes them from the file.
14:32<NGC3982>And that was not was i had in mind.
14:33*NGC3982 get's tired of this and extracts all the files everywhere.
14:38<NGC3982>Yes, that was not fruitful. It's case sensitive and \ needs to be /.
14:39<NGC3982>That is a problem while doing this
14:39<NGC3982>But i guess i'll manage.
14:45<@Alberth>make it read-only, or copy it from another place just before running openttd
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14:51<NGC3982>Yes, it worked itself out
14:51<NGC3982>upName came in handy.
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15:04<Eddi|zuHause><MNIM> playing freeciv, but that doesn't have generals. <-- i tried playing freeciv, but i can't stand the civ2 mechanics anymore
15:05<LordAro>i like civ2, but i couldn't stand freeciv
15:05<LordAro>just wasn't the same
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15:49<kizzyboi>Maybe someone here can answer a question i have about the android port
15:50<@Alberth>you can always try
15:50<MNIM>don't ask to ask.
15:50<+glx>but we are not blamable for it :)
15:50<MNIM>ask or ask not. there is no try.
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15:51<+glx>was fast
15:52<MNIM>there is no such thing as stupid questions, but there sure of hell exist a lot of stupid people. :d
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16:33<LordAro>/o planetmaker
16:41<frosch123>yay, the spam in my ottd mail box is way better than in my private one
16:42<frosch123>got 5 MB catalogue of a chinese truck manufacturer
16:42<frosch123>i did not open it, but it says so
16:42<frosch123>yeah, 5MB via mail, quite a big virus :p
16:43<frosch123>see, to my private email i always get health ensurance stuff
16:44<frosch123>but to ottd i get turkish fire sprinkler systems and now trucks
16:44<+glx>oh I remember the fire sprinkler one
16:45<+glx>and I have the chinese truck one too
16:45<@planetmaker>oh, I have that truck ad, too ;)
16:45<frosch123>well, i am not sure whether a 5 mb mail fits the usual spam criterions
16:46<frosch123>it's not exactly a mass mail :p
16:46<@planetmaker>they can also provide training courses on truck repair :P
16:47<frosch123>yeah, don't tell me you get that kind of spam to your private mail :)
16:47<@planetmaker>not that I can recall, indeed
16:47<@planetmaker>But then... I can't say that I really look at spam usually :)
16:48<@Alberth>mine are often filled with Chinese characters :p
16:48<@planetmaker>yeah. That's an instant delete :)
16:48<LordAro>my mail servers been detecting a lot of (actual) virus messages lately
16:48<frosch123>no, never got a really chinese mail
16:49<frosch123>the only one i really could not read as that turkish sprinkler system
16:49<@planetmaker>half of my trash is chinese stuff
16:50<@planetmaker>on the openttd address
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20:28<GBeene>evening all
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20:30<Hazzard>Anyone here somewhat familiar with the openttd source code?
20:32<GBeene>not i
20:34<GBeene>wish i was euro!
20:34<GBeene>never anyone to talk to on here
20:37<Super_Random>I can talk.
20:37<Super_Random>I just don't choose to.
20:37<GBeene>well that doesn't help me much!
20:38<Super_Random>No, no it doesn't.
20:52<GBeene>I just discovered the openttd coop wiki
20:52<GBeene>this is the real deal
20:53<GBeene>i am so in over my head
20:58<Super_Random>sounds like a personal problem.
21:07<GBeene>you're super fun to hang out in IRC with, Super_Random
21:08<Super_Random>I know!
21:08<GBeene>are you fun to hang out with by yourself?
21:08*Super_Random is actually quite busy trying to solve Fallout: New Vegas issues.
21:08<GBeene>would you say you enjoy your company
21:08<Super_Random>I do tend to enjoy my company.
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