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---Logopened Thu Dec 12 00:00:29 2013
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01:23<NGC3982>https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1477372_820711831291605_1266936605_n.jpg
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03:58<@planetmaker>moin
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04:59<Eddi|zuHause>anyone besides me have the issue that openttd's viewport doesn't properly resize if you change both x and y size of the window simultaneously?
05:06<NGC3982>No.
05:06<NGC3982>Not in 1.3.2.
05:06<Eddi|zuHause>well, it's probably depending on graphics driver
05:07<Eddi|zuHause>i'm on linux/sdl
05:07<NGC3982>Well, i remember noticing some oddities while resizing windows with 1.3.2 in Ubuntu 12.03.
05:07<NGC3982>04*.
05:07<NGC3982>Ah.
05:11<@planetmaker>Eddi|zuHause, what you mean with 'not properly resize'?
05:11<Eddi|zuHause>planetmaker: the window resizes, but the viewport not with it
05:11<@planetmaker>the actual shown viewport updates for me after I finish resizing - and until then it shows black border (when extending window size)
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05:12<@peter1138>Probably dependent on WM too
05:12<Eddi|zuHause>if i resize only x or y, then the viewport changes while resizing, if i resize both, the viewport stays the same size even after i finish
05:14<@peter1138>Sounds like a bug in your WM, or maybe SDL. There's no separate event for X/Y/X+Y change
05:15<Eddi|zuHause>i use KDE
05:15<Eddi|zuHause>without compositing
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08:20<LordAro>that was a big one
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08:21<MNIM>as they say, "Crickey!"
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08:21<MNIM>that's an angry one, mate!
08:22<LordAro>OFTC, why you so silly?
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08:27<@planetmaker>LordAro, it's an announced update on services ;)
08:29<LordAro>it is?
08:34<Eddi|zuHause>i haven't seen an announcement
08:35<@planetmaker>it is. #oftc
08:35<@peter1138>Who would bother to hang around there?
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09:06<Eddi|zuHause>http://www.sheldonsfans.com/quote-622-free-morgan-freeman.html
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09:09<NGC3982>The bad part comes with that not being Morgan Freeman either.
09:10<NGC3982>:3
09:10<__ln__>how can Nelson Mandela tweet post-mortem??
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09:19<Eddi|zuHause>NGC3982: but it says "verified"!!! it must be the real person!!!
09:20<MNIM>Something tells me twitter's verification procedures are not even half as strict as reddit's verification procedures.
09:31<Eddi|zuHause>what kind of smilie is ":3" anyway?
09:33<MNIM>one used by furries.
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09:34<Eddi|zuHause>they have a double chin?
09:40<@peter1138>Something like a cat face
09:52<@peter1138>Bah, wanted a cup of tea but there's no milk :(
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09:52<__ln__>does the milkman still deliver milk?
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09:56<@peter1138>Yes
09:56<__ln__>in glass bottles?
09:57<@peter1138>Yup
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10:43<Eddi|zuHause>must be something very british
10:44<Speedy>why can't they make a beer delivery the same way
10:44<@peter1138>Eddi|zuHause, we have jokes around milkmen
10:45<@peter1138>Eddi|zuHause, that's how British it is ;D
10:45<Speedy>they wouldn't last on any porch, but the idea is nice.
10:47<Speedy>have you guys tried OpenTTD ToolBox for Android?
10:49<@planetmaker>what is that supposed to be?
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10:51<@peter1138>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XWo4ufMkG4
10:56<Speedy>OpenTTD Toolbox is a small app designed to help you when you play Open TTD.
10:56<Speedy>It will help you to manage stations and vehicles, and will provide you a distance calculation tool, really useful when you buy limited-ranged aircrafts. You will also be able to manage your vehicles' orders.
11:01<Xaroth|Work>never had an issue with limited-range aircrafts
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11:02<@planetmaker>'manage station and vehicles'... I usually do that by the vehicle or station or group list views
11:02<@peter1138>Plural of aircraft is aircraft, btw
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11:25<dihedral>hello
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11:35<Eddi|zuHause>peter1138: what's the meaning of "roses" and "tulips"?
11:36<Eddi|zuHause>Speedy: if you need better management functions, wouldn't it be better to implement them in OpenTTD directly?
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11:49<@peter1138>Eddi|zuHause, well it seems to be deliberately pronounced as two lips, nudge nudge wink wink.
11:54<Eddi|zuHause>ah.
11:54<Eddi|zuHause>i couldn't have possibly understood it like this :p
11:55<@peter1138>Heh
11:55<@peter1138>Bah, can't download my new games from gog :p
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13:54<@Alberth>moin
13:54<MNIM>eevnin.
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13:56<@Alberth>hi andy
13:57<andythenorth>lo
13:57*andythenorth is leaving again
13:57<andythenorth>:)
13:57<andythenorth>biab
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13:57<@Alberth>:)
13:57<MNIM>0o
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14:13<Arrgh>Hey folks, is there a canonical FAQ/discussion/Wiki page about handling short- vs. long-haul passengers well?
14:13<Arrgh>e.g. it'd be nice to merge bus/tram/train stations, and not have the bus/tram steal all the trains' most profitable "cargo"
14:14<Arrgh>I guess I could set the stop to unload only on the bus/tram lines...
14:15<MNIM>Arrgh: you might want to take a look at cargodist
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14:18<Zuu>Hello
14:19<Arrgh>MNIM, interesting, thanks. It's in trunk, so I can probably just enable it with a setting, if my build is recent enough?
14:21<MNIM>Arrgh: yes. it should be under advanced settings.
14:21<MNIM>trunk, mind you, not release
14:30<@Alberth>ie a nightly
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14:43<@Alberth>o/ Wolf
14:43<Wolf01>hi hi o/
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14:52<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: only one month left till 13-13-13
14:52<Eddi|zuHause>the world will end!!
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14:53<Eddi|zuHause>why is it "doubt" with "ou" but "dubious" only with "u"?
14:56<@Alberth>dubious is questionable, rather than doubt
14:57<Eddi|zuHause>you trying to tell me they don't come from the same word?
14:57<Eddi|zuHause>i doubt that :p
14:58<Wolf01>Eddi|zuHause, the "ou" is still there, it was only moved -> dubi(ou)s
14:58<Eddi|zuHause>Wolf01: are you Rubidium in a wolfpelt? :p
14:59<Wolf01>ahah
14:59<Eddi|zuHause>Wolf01: no honestly, that is something i would expect Rubidium to say :)
15:00<Eddi|zuHause>(besides, you have the same colour)
15:00<@Alberth>or colur :)
15:05<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: same reason as for knight and night; the spelling has absolutely nothing to do with the pronounciation
15:06<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: http://www.titanxxl.de/blog/?p=93 <- believe the dutchies, they have experience with that
15:06<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: except it's pronunciation :)
15:06<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: because apparently "noun" would be too obvious :p
15:07<Wolf01>ahah
15:07<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: i've seen that thing as "this is where the spelling reform will go", and i think i'Ve also seen an english version of that
15:08<@Rubidium>you mean from English to German?
15:08<Eddi|zuHause>not entirely sure
15:09<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: but for "night" and "knight" it's perfectly logical, the first one comes from "Nacht" and the second one from "Knecht"
15:10<Eddi|zuHause>where "comes from" is a very loose term, not really implying a direction :)
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15:13<@Rubidium>the main thing is that English has not had spelling reforms for a long time
15:13<@Rubidium>except... American
15:16<@Rubidium>I know that Dutch and German had significant ones about two decades ago
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15:23<+glx>French had one too
15:26<Eddi|zuHause>german had one in 1901 and one around 1996 (which was revised multiple times)
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15:27<Eddi|zuHause>so apparently you need one around every 100 years :)
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15:52<@Alberth>hi again andy
15:52<@planetmaker>hello
15:53<andythenorth>lo
15:54<andythenorth>what's cooking?
15:55<@planetmaker>a lot of wine has been. Feeling still dizzy :D
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16:02<@Alberth>trying to make some compasses http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/compasses.png still WIP :)
16:02<@planetmaker>compass... what for?
16:03<@peter1138>To find the way to spawn
16:06<frosch123>andythenorth: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2885/ <- dinner?
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17:05<frosch123>night
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17:14<Wolf01>'night
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17:17<@Terkhen>good night
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20:00<Supercheese>Wow, NightGFX set is amazingf
20:00<Supercheese>amazing*
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20:11<Leszek>Hello everyone. I have the latest stable release (1.3.3) and I am wondering about "Timetable spreading of vehicles", acording to the wiki it was available sinze r25537. Am I wrong in thinking it was applied to 1.3.3?
20:11<Leszek>ANyone know?
20:12<Supercheese>It might not make it to a stable until 1.4.X
20:12<Supercheese>should check the changelog
20:12<Leszek>Yea the changlelog is short on changes.
20:12<Leszek>I has a whole bunch of fixes since the RC"s
20:13<Leszek>But it is unclear as to what was added since the first RC and the last stable.
20:13<Supercheese>@commit 25537
20:13<@DorpsGek>Supercheese: Commit by frosch :: r25537 /trunk/src (16 files in 3 dirs) (2013-06-30 14:36:31 UTC)
20:13<@DorpsGek>Supercheese: -Codechange: Optionally make WWT_MATRIX compute the number of rows and columns from the resize step size.
20:13<Supercheese>@commit 25536
20:13<@DorpsGek>Supercheese: Commit by frosch :: r25536 trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp (2013-06-30 14:36:07 UTC)
20:13<@DorpsGek>Supercheese: -Cleanup: No need to set scrollbar capacity anywhere but in OnResize.
20:13<Supercheese>hmm
20:14<LordAro>seems that number is wrong ;)
20:14<LordAro>@commit 26537
20:14<@DorpsGek>LordAro: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
20:14<LordAro>@commit 24537
20:14<@DorpsGek>LordAro: Commit by zuu :: r24537 /trunk/src (7 files in 3 dirs) (2012-09-21 19:58:18 UTC)
20:14<@DorpsGek>LordAro: -Feature: Scripts can be suspended even if the game is still progressing, thus break-on-log now works also for Game Scripts.
20:14<LordAro>nope
20:14<Supercheese>welp
20:15<Supercheese>@commit 25377
20:15<@DorpsGek>Supercheese: Commit by rubidium :: r25377 /trunk/src (4 files in 2 dirs) (2013-06-09 13:55:33 UTC)
20:15<@DorpsGek>Supercheese: -Feature: timetable spreading of vehicles by Ctrl+Click when setting a start date
20:15<Supercheese>Thar it be
20:15<LordAro>damn, you found it first :p
20:15<Leszek>r25377 ops you found it first
20:15<Supercheese>heh
20:16<LordAro>:D
20:17<Leszek>So then if I wanted to make use of this feature now I should be downloading the nightly's?
20:17<Supercheese>indeed
20:17<Leszek>Thanks.
20:18<Leszek>Good thing I came here, I have been spending the last few hours alternetly trying to google more info and trying to make a couple of ground vehicles spread out.
20:18<LordAro>:L
20:19<Supercheese>wiki edited
20:19<Supercheese>must've been a typo, the link had the correct revision
20:19<Leszek>I see the edit.
20:19<Leszek>Yes all the same numbers, they just doubled the 5 instead of the 7
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20:28<Leszek>I am looking at the Open TTD todo list, I was wondering about patch's that might make the game eventually, is there a list of those or no?
20:28<Supercheese>all stuff like that is 100% up to dev discretion
20:28<Supercheese>if they like it, it'll get trunked, if not it won't
20:29<Leszek>ok thanks for the info.
20:33<LordAro>Leszek, don't get discouraged though ;)
20:36<Superuser>there is a high demand for fixes to the OS X port, though few OS X devs seem to be willing to devote their time to correcting these issues...
20:37<LordAro>because OS X sucks? :p
20:37<Leszek>I am not discouraged, ... one second
20:37<LordAro>and there are no OS X developers who understand stuff well enough to implement it? :L
20:37<LordAro>i mean, i think OTTD basically implements it's own display driver
20:38<Leszek>sorry...
20:38<LordAro>?
20:38<Leszek>as I was saying, its a free game and I am not contributing to it, if it doesn't have what I want I should do someting
20:39<LordAro>precisely :)
20:39<Leszek>Doesn't mean I don't want information on what is already happening.
20:39*LordAro also somewhat unsubtly guides Leszek in the direction of http://freerct.org
20:39<LordAro>:p
20:40<Leszek>oh freeRCT
20:40<Superuser>wow, I just looked at the tracker again (first time in months)
20:40<Leszek>the RCT wasn't in caps
20:40<Superuser>3 OS X issues!
20:40<Superuser>I'm a Linux user, but seriously you guys >.>
20:40<Leszek>I was just thinking the other day they should do an open RCT
20:40<Superuser>j/k take it easy :)
20:41<Superuser>I think we should do a "gritty reboot" of RCT
20:41<Superuser>read: more "accidental" deaths, more madness.
20:41<LordAro>patches much appreciated :)
20:41<Leszek>A horror ride that randomly kills 1 in 50 riders...
20:42<Leszek>:)
20:42<Leszek>LOL, thrill level really really hight
20:42<Leszek>high
20:42<Leszek>No I am not that mean. Even to sims.
20:43<LordAro>:p
20:43*LordAro -> sleep
20:43<LordAro>night all
20:44<Leszek>gnight
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