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| 03:00 | <juzza1> | Flygon_: what train newgrf(s) are you using, and what is the year you are expecting the electric rails to appear? |
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| 03:00 | <Flygon> | 2CC |
| 03:00 | <Flygon> | As in, the 2CC worldwide set |
| 03:01 | <Flygon> | Was expecting the electric stuff to appear largely in sync with how it did with NuTracks |
| 03:01 | <Flygon> | Buuuut, well |
| 03:02 | <Flygon> | Given what I've just figured out, 2CC stuffs out a lot of low speed electric sets early on, and the lowest electric rails in FRISS seems to be 140km/h :p |
| 03:03 | <Flygon> | (as in, the mainline ones) |
| 03:05 | <juzza1> | the electric rails in FRISS are generally introduced from the year 1968, unless an train which requires catenary appears earlier |
| 03:06 | * | Flygon nod, "Understood" |
| 03:07 | <Flygon> | Not as familiar with the history of Finland as I should be, sorry x3 |
| 03:07 | <Flygon> | Finnish rail, anyway |
| 03:09 | <juzza1> | i should change the props so that (at least) one electrified branch line is introduced as soon as the electrified mainline is introduced |
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| 03:11 | <juzza1> | should be changed in the next release |
| 03:11 | <juzza1> | *will |
| 03:15 | <Flygon> | I had to brb, sorry |
| 03:15 | <Flygon> | Alright, thanks :) |
| 03:15 | <Flygon> | This's my first FRISS game, that is all |
| 03:16 | <Flygon> | The 90km/h cap on Metro is mildly surprising, though, given a few sets go over that. But, then again, it is a Finnish rail set |
| 03:30 | <juzza1> | A parameter to disable that would make sense, considering speed limit for the best mainline can also be disabled |
| 03:31 | * | Flygon nod |
| 03:40 | <Flygon> | Also, for some reason, the Sand/Gravel and Gravel Base graphics are sharing the... same graphics, obviously. The Sand/Gravel changed to the same as Gravel when Gravel became available (the Sand/Gravel was the same as sand/gravel siding graphics) |
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| 03:44 | <Flygon> | Do note, though. At the start of the game, I accidentally set the GRF's to the wrong palette, and had to fix this later mid-game |
| 03:44 | <Flygon> | Which's, obviously, against guidelines |
| 03:48 | <@peter1138> | Which's, huh |
| 03:48 | <Flygon> | My English isn't the best, darnit @_@ |
| 03:49 | <Flygon> | All Australians are terrible at English! :D |
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| 03:59 | <juzza1> | yes, some of the railtypes do intentionally look the same, especially in later years. this could be somewhat fixed in a later release by changing the minimap colors for each railtype |
| 04:00 | <Flygon> | The problem is more that a railtype changed appearance, mid-game |
| 04:00 | <Flygon> | Without me doing anything to it |
| 04:01 | <Flygon> | And examination revealed that the railtype looked identical to the one that just got introduced |
| 04:01 | <Flygon> | But it looked different before the new railtype became introduced |
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| 04:04 | <juzza1> | it's supposed to mimic how it actually happened in finland (old ballast/sleepers getting replaced), so again, it's intentional, although i can understand the confusion |
| 04:05 | <Flygon> | Hmm |
| 04:05 | <Flygon> | Interesting |
| 04:06 | <Flygon> | Such things never really happened here. Track was assigned specific class, and ballast application never really changed in the many many years |
| 04:06 | <Flygon> | Let's rephrase that: The visual appearance didn't change. I'm really not used to Scandinavian/European practice. x3 |
| 04:07 | <Flygon> | Sorry for my... er... there's gotta be a word for this |
| 04:07 | <Flygon> | I'd say derpiness, but that sounds silly |
| 04:13 | <juzza1> | it has always been a bit weird, starting from the olden times when we adopted broad gauge because finland was a part of russia |
| 04:13 | <juzza1> | but I have to go now -> |
| 04:13 | <Flygon> | We're perpetually in Broad Gauge here :B |
| 04:13 | <Flygon> | Have fun! |
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| 05:25 | <andythenorth> | moin |
| 05:26 | <Rubidium> | moin mr thenorth |
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| 06:58 | <@Alberth> | moin |
| 06:59 | <Flygon> | Morning |
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| 07:09 | <@Alberth> | o/ |
| 07:11 | <andythenorth> | o/ |
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| 07:45 | <Xaroth|Work> | o/ |
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| 08:47 | <andythenorth> | meh |
| 08:47 | <andythenorth> | trying to figure out how to have less than 4 generations of trucks :P |
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| 09:10 | <Xaroth|Work> | andythenorth: metaclasses |
| 09:10 | <Xaroth|Work> | whatever it is, metaclasses |
| 09:10 | <andythenorth> | thanks |
| 09:10 | <andythenorth> | I shall keep that in mind |
| 09:12 | <Xaroth|Work> | I think, with a bit (read: crapload) of effort, grfs can be created from pure python code, rather than python => templates => nml => grf |
| 09:13 | <andythenorth> | they can |
| 09:13 | <andythenorth> | try it :D |
| 09:18 | <Xaroth|Work> | meh |
| 09:18 | <Xaroth|Work> | first libopenttd |
| 09:18 | <Xaroth|Work> | then maaaybe something for grfs |
| 09:19 | <Xaroth|Work> | mainly because I have no clue what-so-ever about the spec, so i'll have to investigate first |
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| 09:37 | <Wolf01> | moin |
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| 09:39 | <Taede> | ello |
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| 09:47 | <andythenorth> | Xaroth|Work: you'd rip most of the stuff from nml - the lexer, all of the constants etc |
| 09:48 | <andythenorth> | you'd still end up writing something that looked like templates, because you'd get bored of formatting strings of bytes directly |
| 09:48 | <andythenorth> | if you do it in C or something, it might actually be performative too :P |
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| 09:49 | <Xaroth|Work> | andythenorth: I was more likely to just rewrite it :P |
| 09:50 | <Xaroth|Work> | and with python's metaclass system, it can look pwetty |
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| 09:51 | <andythenorth> | do you actually have a plan? o_O |
| 09:52 | <andythenorth> | like, what would the interface be? |
| 09:52 | <Xaroth|Work> | you know a bit how metaclasses work in python? |
| 09:53 | <andythenorth> | vaguely |
| 09:53 | <andythenorth> | I have read articles on them |
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| 10:11 | <Xaroth|Work> | andythenorth: https://github.com/libopenttd/libopenttd/blob/master/test/test_simple.py |
| 10:12 | <Xaroth|Work> | basically, packets.Packet has a metaclass that adds some magic to it, so that we only have to describe packets, and the metaclass will build us a reader/writer for the raw data |
| 10:13 | <Xaroth|Work> | kinda like how Django does its ORM |
| 10:14 | <Xaroth|Work> | so for GRF building, people can just describe their GRF in form of classes (not sure how to do the conditionals, but I haven't looked at that -at all- yet) |
| 10:15 | <andythenorth> | I'm curious how you'd do varaction 2 switches (for example) |
| 10:15 | <andythenorth> | classes for the vehicles / objects / tiles etc is plausible |
| 10:15 | <Xaroth|Work> | I have -no- idea :p |
| 10:16 | <Xaroth|Work> | I don't know most of the specs to have any clue how to fix those |
| 10:16 | <andythenorth> | maybe something like a Switch class |
| 10:16 | <Xaroth|Work> | but idealisticly speaking, if nmlc can parse it from text, surely it can be built :) |
| 10:16 | <andythenorth> | with multiple Row classes, passed in an iterable, fixed order |
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| 10:17 | <Xaroth|Work> | but that said, I'm first going to work on libopenttd |
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| 11:22 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i have no clue what this saphire guy is trying to achieve... |
| 11:22 | <Eddi|zuHause> | he's somewhere between SkiddLow and andythenorth :p |
| 11:23 | <andythenorth> | he is somewhat having fun I think |
| 11:23 | <andythenorth> | pumping out awesome |
| 11:23 | <andythenorth> | Eddi|zuHause: hopefully you just described a full spectrum :P |
| 11:23 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i doubt that :) |
| 11:24 | <Eddi|zuHause> | at least not in the "knows what he wants" department :p |
| 11:27 | <andythenorth> | I dunno, I think skiddlow knows 100% what he wants |
| 11:37 | <andythenorth> | I always wondered what the term meant... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_run |
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| 11:43 | <Xaroth|Work> | http://i.imgur.com/IDTosfD.jpg |
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| 12:29 | <andythenorth> | 114 trucks in egrvts |
| 12:29 | <andythenorth> | covering 200 years |
| 12:33 | <andythenorth> | Alberth: you prefer to pick vehicles directly for a cargo where possible? No refitting? |
| 12:38 | <andythenorth> | nvm :) |
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| 13:45 | <@DorpsGek> | Commit by translators :: r26185 trunk/src/lang/norwegian_nynorsk.txt (2013-12-29 18:45:09 UTC) |
| 13:45 | <@DorpsGek> | -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: |
| 13:45 | <@DorpsGek> | norwegian_nynorsk - 137 changes by terjesc |
| 13:55 | <Macha> | Does anyone know how a bus would manage to lost 15x its running costs in a year? |
| 13:56 | <montalvo> | hello, sorry if this is a basic question but i just downloaded 1.4.0-beta1 and was told i had to update opengfx to a beta version, but i don't know where to find the download for that? |
| 13:56 | <Macha> | Go to download online content, and install OpenGFX from there |
| 13:56 | <Macha> | (In the game menu, you might need to restart after) |
| 13:57 | <montalvo> | thank you :) |
| 13:58 | <montalvo> | hooray! that worked |
| 13:58 | <montalvo> | thanks again |
| 14:00 | <Rubidium> | Macha: http://wiki.openttd.org/Negative_income_with_feeder_service |
| 14:03 | <Macha> | Rubidium: Thanks |
| 14:08 | <@planetmaker> | hello |
| 14:10 | <Xaroth|Work> | it lives |
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| 14:14 | <montalvo> | so speaking of basic questions |
| 14:14 | <montalvo> | is there a guide somewhere about how this new cargo distribution feature works? |
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| 14:17 | <Macha> | http://wiki.openttd.org/Cargodist |
| 14:17 | <Macha> | Basically, cargo ends up in your station, and then the destination is chosen from among all the reachable stations that accept that good. |
| 14:17 | <Macha> | You turn it on/off seperately for pax, mail, valuables and everything else. |
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| 14:18 | <Macha> | And stuff is smart enough to automatically transfer if you have no direct line route |
| 14:18 | <@planetmaker> | <Macha> Does anyone know how a bus would manage to lost 15x its running costs in a year? <-- NewGRF-provided vehicles can dynamically change running costs. The displayed value does not correspond to that in those cases. |
| 14:19 | <@planetmaker> | or more likely you use transfer orders where that vehicle gets a negative share of the overall profit |
| 14:20 | <Macha> | I don't use transfer orders, but stuff is transferring because of cargodist being on |
| 14:20 | <@planetmaker> | same thing then, I guess :) |
| 14:20 | <@planetmaker> | could, of course, also be both reasons |
| 14:20 | <Macha> | Yeah, I have UKRS trains and some UK bus set. |
| 14:21 | <@planetmaker> | they *do* dynamically change running costs |
| 14:21 | <Macha> | Ah, kk. |
| 14:22 | <montalvo> | Macha, thanks! |
| 14:28 | <montalvo> | so is this why my profits have dropped? because my mainline has loads of other stations along the way so passengers are getting off earlier? |
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| 14:36 | <Macha> | montalvo: Probably part of it |
| 14:36 | <montalvo> | boo |
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| 15:59 | <__ln__> | "Schumacher hospitalisé : hémorragie cérébrale, état critique" |
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| 16:09 | <@planetmaker> | sport ist mord |
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| 17:50 | <Eddi|zuHause> | hm, this is weird... steam had a crash problem, which i solved by updating wine, then it worked for a while, and now it crashes again on startup |
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| 22:36 | <Wolf01> | 'night all |
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