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02:42<dihedral>good morning
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03:14<Pikka>dood morgen dihedral
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03:55<@planetmaker>moin
04:00*LordAro mornings
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04:24<dihedral>* LordAro mornings <- has brokennings
04:24<Xaroth|Work>o/
04:24<dihedral>hey there
04:24<dihedral>i have a new theme song to my work hours
04:25<dihedral>Fugees - killing me softly
04:25<Xaroth|Work>lolz
04:27<Xaroth|Work>for me it's Ozzy Osbourne - Crazy Train
04:35<dihedral>how about 'dreamer' :-P
04:42<Eddi|zuHause>how about "Bruttosozialprodukt"?
04:44<Eddi|zuHause>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUdyqJuJOAs
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05:10<V453000>wtf scenario editor cant load heightmaps? :0
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08:13<nicferirc>hello
08:14<nicferirc>I upgraded manually from beta3 to beta4 and now the game can't find any languages packs
08:15<Pikka>I have rarely seen anything more 80s, Eddi|zuHause
08:17<nicferirc>I didn't change any directories, so may it be a permissions issue?
08:18<nicferirc>I have the binary at /usr/local/games and the data at /usr/local/share/games/openttd
08:21<Eddi|zuHause>Pikka: it's very 80s because it's actually from the 80s :p
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08:50<@planetmaker>how did you install openttd, nicferirc ?
08:50<@planetmaker>(and which OS exactly?)
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09:06<nicferirc>I copied the openttd binary in the binary place, and the rest in the data location
09:06<nicferirc>I'm on xubuntu 13.10
09:08<Eddi|zuHause>are you sure it's calling the correct binary, and are you sure you copied over all the right files?
09:11<Eddi|zuHause>nicferirc: try "rehash"
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09:57<@planetmaker>nicferirc, that pretty much sounds like you forgot to copy parts. Most importantly the language files.
09:58<nicferirc>I copied the files like they were on the beta3
09:58<nicferirc>and it was working good before
09:59<@planetmaker>including the lang folder?
09:59<@planetmaker>anyhow, don't copy manually stuff onto places which are meant to be handled by the package manager
10:00<@planetmaker>just get the generic package of openttd, unzip it in a local folder in your home dir. And start openttd from there
10:00<nicferirc>I copied them into the local directory
10:01<@planetmaker>yes. and obviously you either missed to copy parts into the correct places or you start the wrong binary
10:02<@planetmaker>just unzip the generic bundle and run from your home dir
10:02<@planetmaker>without installing anything
10:04<@planetmaker>nicferirc, the paths where openttd is supposed to look are set at compile time. So if you grab something not meant for your system and just copy over the binary, it can easily fail, if your system defaults and the generic defaults differ
10:10<Eddi|zuHause>nicferirc: you can't use the beta3 language files on beta4, they must come from the place where you compiled beta4
10:11<Eddi|zuHause>nicferirc: also, try running the binary from the compile directory first before copying stuff around
10:11<Eddi|zuHause>besides that, there is a "make install" command...
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10:29<nicferirc>I didn't compile the game
10:30<nicferirc>I copied the language files
10:31<nicferirc>I'm using the generic package
10:32<nicferirc>as I've done with beta3
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---Logopened Wed Feb 12 12:08:52 2014
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---Logopened Wed Feb 12 13:07:37 2014
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13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r26335 /trunk/src/lang (4 files in 2 dirs) (2014-02-12 18:45:21 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>croatian - 7 changes by VoyagerOne
13:45<@DorpsGek>frisian - 54 changes by Geoloep
13:45<@DorpsGek>korean - 1 changes by telk5093
13:45<@DorpsGek>spanish - 1 changes by Welder05
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14:07<andythenorth>o/
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14:31<andythenorth>a friendly channel today
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14:33<@planetmaker>surprisingly yeah. No flaming. No bashing. Just... friendly, cozy silence. But we broke it. Good evening, andythenorth. And quak. And what-not-all :)
14:34<frosch123>hallöle
14:35*Alberth greets all
14:36<frosch123>maybe we should move the autorenew settings into the autoreplace gui :p
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14:36<@planetmaker>I don't exactly understand why we make a difference between the two anyway
14:36<@planetmaker>it's conceptually about the same thing
14:37<@Alberth>frosch123: and confuse people completely ? :)
14:37<frosch123>well, it was more different before we got "replace when old"
14:37<frosch123>it's also weird wrt. "autoreplace protection" of groups
14:38<@planetmaker>I don't remember ye ol' times when it was different
14:38<frosch123>not? isn't that even a 1.4 feature? :p
14:38<frosch123>or was it already 1.3?
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14:39<@Alberth>hi Wolf01
14:39<@planetmaker>hm replace, not renew?
14:39<@planetmaker>maybe it's a feature which eluded me then so far :D
14:39<Wolf01>hello o/
14:39<frosch123>planetmaker: today you can select into autoreplace gui, whether to replace vehicles immediately, or when old
14:40<frosch123>there is even a feature request by v to add another option: replace on next service
14:40<@planetmaker>right, that's something I wasn't aware of :)
14:40<@Alberth>:o that must be a new feature :)
14:40<@planetmaker><-- feels like fossil :P
14:40<@Alberth>not playing openttd enough :p
14:41<@planetmaker>yeah, I guess...
14:41*andythenorth knows nothing any more :)
14:41<@Alberth>oh, think of all the new games that are awaiting you!
14:42<@Alberth>endless hours of fun
14:42<frosch123>@commit 24136
14:42<@DorpsGek>frosch123: Commit by michi_cc :: r24136 /trunk/src (14 files in 4 dirs) (2012-04-17 19:44:02 UTC)
14:42<@DorpsGek>frosch123: -Feature [FS#4465]: Autoreplace vehicles only when they get old. (Vikthor)
14:42<frosch123>so, it's 1.3
14:42<@planetmaker>I often have AI play the game for me when I play with NewGRFs myself :P
14:43<@planetmaker>btw, is it possible to run a game without any UI just for, say, 30 years, possibly in fast-forward?
14:43<frosch123>yes
14:43<@planetmaker>without patch?
14:43<frosch123>-v null:ticks=810855
14:44<frosch123>or something like that
14:44<@planetmaker>could be utilized to run AI competitions
14:44<frosch123>the original noai competition made cyclically screenshots of the smallmap
14:44<frosch123>didn't ti?
14:45<frosch123>and it only ran for 5 years anyway, since competeitive ais usally have maxed out by then
14:45<@planetmaker>I don't really recall. It made some documentation. But screenshots require still compilation with blitter
14:45<@planetmaker>I found that the picture can change when you keep it running
14:46<@planetmaker>I was pondering today to just configure jenkins to run a random game.
14:46<@planetmaker>Possibly random maps, random AIs.
14:46<@planetmaker>But run regularily it will create statistics
14:47<frosch123>well, i don't get the idea of an ai competition server
14:47<frosch123>how about a server that runs random games with ais, and logs when they crash
14:47<frosch123>the ranking is then the bug count
14:47<@planetmaker>that's easy to do then, too
14:48<@planetmaker>also a ranking of how many of which vehicles used
14:48<frosch123>well, i feel like there are endless ai competition posts on the forums, but checking profit graphs feels pointless to me
14:48<frosch123>just as pointless as when playing as human
14:48<frosch123>and who would be able to rank meaningful track layouts?
14:48<@planetmaker>yes, they're profitable enough, often enough
14:49<@planetmaker>meaningful track layout... difficult
14:49<frosch123>so, only considering and collecting ai crashes makes more sense to me :p
14:49<@planetmaker>crashes indeed would make sense.
14:50<andythenorth>hmm
14:50<andythenorth>MP server game? o_O
14:50<@planetmaker>though there's a lot of AIs which get very little attention
14:50*andythenorth considers not working tonight
14:51<frosch123>planetmaker: ok, number of vehicles makes sense too, that allows detecting ais which do not build anything
14:52<@planetmaker>so, specs: crashes, vehicle count and screenshot(s)?
14:52<frosch123>then we could have a proper page which recommends ais to newbies, based purely on: they do not crash, and they do something
14:52<frosch123>maybe also the time from start to first construction action
14:52<andythenorth>hmm
14:52<andythenorth>what happened to bananasnanans rewrite? o_O
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14:52<@planetmaker>probably fell asleep, andythenorth
14:52<andythenorth>ha ha
14:59<andythenorth>hmm
14:59*andythenorth decides to work
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15:01<@planetmaker>@calc 74*365*10
15:01<@DorpsGek>planetmaker: 270100
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15:04<Andreas>what have you done 74 times a day for 10 years?
15:05<@planetmaker>increase time by one tick
15:05<Andreas>oh ofc...
15:12<@planetmaker>hm... I expect a savegame in my autosave folder when I run it for 3000 ticks and have monthly autosaves enabled...
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15:18<@planetmaker>it helps tremendously to disable 'pause on map start'
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15:38<frosch123>:p
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17:58<frosch123>night
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