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---Logopened Thu Feb 27 00:00:18 2014
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03:57<@planetmaker>Supercheese, uses it and is another example with filenames in spritelist.
03:58<@planetmaker> is also with a mask file
04:13<LordAro>ST2: just go with trunk
04:20<@planetmaker>just state the version explicity in the text and don't fill out version field or choose 'other'
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04:20-!-planetmaker is "Ingo von Borstel" on @#openttd @#openttdcoop.stable @+#openttdcoop #debian #openttdcoop.devzone @+#openttdcoop.nightly #openttdcoop.bots @+#coopetition #oftc +#openDune
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05:00<Xaroth|Work>sneaky bastards
05:20<Eddi|zuHause>i'm pretty sure that breaks a dozen laws
05:25<Eddi|zuHause>i mean, they even found youtube guilty of "diffamation" for showing the "GEMA has not given us the rights to this video" screen
05:29<@planetmaker>Eddi|zuHause, I think that statement of youtube actually is not true. True is they don't want to pay the (rather insane) prices the GEMA wants
05:29<@planetmaker>but they do have the right to deliver them (at a loss)
05:30<Xaroth|Work>they don't have the rights if they don't pay for the license to :p
05:30<Eddi|zuHause>planetmaker: let's say "it's complicated"
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05:31<@planetmaker>Xaroth_, the German law is IMHO bad there that the default assumption is that music belongs to one of the copyright holders the GEMA represents. Thus everyone is allowed w/o asking to use the musik - and then afterwards declare the target audience sicze and pay accordingly
05:31<Eddi|zuHause>planetmaker: but i'm fairly convinced that mimicking a security warning and saying "adblock is dangerous" is several degrees worse than that.
05:32<@planetmaker>I fully agree there, Eddi|zuHause :)
05:32<@planetmaker>imho it falls under defamation and similar rules. Probably illegal competiton rules as well
05:34<Eddi|zuHause>planetmaker: i'd put it in the same category as the programs that secretly dial expensive numbers. i.e. it's closer to fraud and computer sabotage
05:46<Eddi|zuHause>so far, all my predictions about ukraine have come true. there's a russia-leaning separatist movement on the Krim peninsula, Janukowitsch declared the actions of the parliament as "illegal" and asked russia for support.
05:48<Eddi|zuHause>(mind you the russians wouldn't even have to "invade" the Krim, because there is a russian marine base there anyway)
05:54<__ln__>is there oil in ukraine?
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06:28<Eddi|zuHause>if you count the oil/gas in the pipelines :p
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08:23<PimpChu>amazing, i found one of my nicks that wasnt taken >.>
08:23<PimpChu>wow. there are alot of TTD people here o_o
08:23<PimpChu>anyone active?
08:23*PimpChu looks around
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08:25<PimpChu>so, awkward question, does anyone know how to roll back TTD?
08:26<V453000>what do you mean?
08:26<PimpChu>im running 1.4.0 Beta 3, and i wanna run 1.3.3 so i can play on the vanilla Reddit server
08:26<V453000>just download the 1.3.3 zip and extract it?
08:26*PimpChu got bored beating the AI like a hooker
08:27<V453000>there might be some servers on 1.4.0 beta 5 btw (:
08:28<PimpChu>ah, i figured if i played the vanilla reddit server, i can chill here as well, and not get confused by a ton of different user groups. lol
08:29<V453000>wa :0
08:29<PimpChu>its been hard enough trying to get up to speed with the communities already. haha
08:29<PimpChu>ive been lurking on a ton of different forums over the past week >.>
08:30<V453000>forums are mostly useless
08:30<PimpChu>especially the german ones >.>
08:30<PimpChu>given the whole....being Australian thing
08:31<V453000>forums just apparently lure people who talk more than think, try instead if you want to build well :)
08:32<PimpChu>isnt that the same with every forum? ;)
08:33<PimpChu>but cheers for the tip, ill have a look :)
08:33<PimpChu>ive been a casual player since DOS, but never been able to figure out how to do the whole pro-building. lol
08:35<V453000>yes, with every forum :)
08:35<V453000>well, you know where to look now :)
08:35<V453000>there are also peopel who are better at talking than AI ;)
08:35<V453000>though some not by much :D
08:37<PimpChu>not gonna lie, i knew TTD had a decent following, but what ive seen, has blown my mind
08:39*PimpChu goes to look
08:40<PimpChu>does it get very active in here?
08:40<V453000>also if you dont feel like that is enough,
08:40<V453000>you can join channel #openttdcoop to play on the Public Server, welcome server runs 1.4.0 beta5
08:41<PimpChu>so, ive been looking in all the wrong spots. haha
08:41<V453000>if you searched for something like this, all spots are wrong but one :P
08:42<PimpChu>if id known there was an irc server, i probably would have figured out what i can do agesss ago
08:42<PimpChu>have spent the best part of a week trying a ton of different grf's to try and find a mix that all compliment each other, to upgrade every part of the game
08:43<PimpChu>ive been failing -_-
08:43<V453000>well we have an article for that too
08:43<PimpChu>damn, you guys have your shit together....and i dont have to learn german! :P
08:44<V453000>that we do
08:45<PimpChu>i think i might have just found the community i want to be apart of. haha
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08:46<V453000>easy to do that :)
08:46<V453000>type /join #openttdcoop
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08:49<Pinkbeast>V453000: some it's / its confusion in that PDF
08:50<V453000> /me gives shit
08:50<V453000>but thanks :)
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09:04<Nebol>Greetings! Running a dedicated server, how can I change initial loan amount?
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09:44<@planetmaker>Nebol, if you generate the map: edit config file. If you load a savegame: do so before creating that ;)
09:44<@planetmaker>well, if you create it on your local machine, yo ucan of course use the UI to modify settings
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10:02<Eddi|zuHause>max loan can't be changed after game start even with gui
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10:28<@planetmaker>that's why I said "before creating that(=map)"
10:35<Eddi|zuHause>but it wasn't very clear that you meant that.
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12:17<Eddi|zuHause>looks like rapidshare is in the process of dismantling itself...
12:47<@planetmaker>I still need votes for the titlegame competition. There's currently a tie for 3rd place. And 1st and 2nd are not much better either :)
12:47<Nebol>thanks, planetmaker and Eddi!
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12:48<@planetmaker>most of the rgulars haven't voted yet!
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12:52<Eddi|zuHause>i probably won't vote
12:53<Rubidium_>planetmaker: the regulars don't use stable ;)
13:08<@planetmaker>and why not, Eddi|zuHause ?
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13:33<Eddi|zuHause>"this winter was the 4th warmest since 1881"
13:35<@planetmaker>definitely felt like that so far
13:36<Rubidium_>it's been the coldest since mid 2013 ;)
13:42<Rubidium_>Eddi|zuHause: how much warmer was it than average?
13:43<Eddi|zuHause>3.1°C above the average from 1961 to 1990
13:44<Eddi|zuHause>("Winter" counts as the months december to february)
13:45<Eddi|zuHause>and ony 2/3 of average rainfall
13:45<Eddi|zuHause>and 25% more sun-hours
13:45<Rubidium_>ah well, I reckon it's fairly safe to say that during the last 150 million years there where 40 million years with an average higher than this year
13:46<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r26381 /trunk/src/lang (7 files) (2014-02-27 18:46:10 UTC)
13:46<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:46<@DorpsGek>bulgarian - 1 changes by Wold
13:46<@DorpsGek>estonian - 8 changes by KSiimson
13:46<@DorpsGek>hebrew - 20 changes by oofnik
13:46<@DorpsGek>norwegian_nynorsk - 15 changes by 2rB
13:46<@DorpsGek>brazilian_portuguese - 1 changes by leandromoh
13:46<@DorpsGek>slovak - 4 changes by Milsa
13:46<@DorpsGek>spanish - 1 changes by Welder05
13:47<Rubidium_>based on 145-66 million years ago the global average temperature being, on average, 10 °C higher than current averages
13:48<Eddi|zuHause>the problem about global warming is not that it's getting warmer. it's about getting uncomfortable for humans
14:04<peter1139>Old title game looks rubbish at 5040x1050...
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14:09<peter1139>andythenorth looks rubbish at 5040x1050
14:10<peter1139>and 4096x4096 map generation takes a while
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14:14<andythenorth>hovercraft of shame
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14:25<Aristide> Video send with success \o/
14:25<Aristide>Its a busline S12 on TCL Network (Lyon) my favorite bus line xD
14:25<Aristide>S12 busline*
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14:27<Aristide>Hello Wolf01 ^^
14:28<Aristide>Alberth: \o
14:30<Eddi|zuHause>i'm never quite sure whether i should be amazed or scared by your enthusiasm...
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14:41<frosch123>hmm, i have never been to lyon, but now i know that it consists purely of hilly one way roads
14:46<Aristide>frosch123: Its a road between Hôtel de Ville (Town Hall) and Croix Rousse
14:46<Aristide>So, take subway is a better idea for go to Croix Rousse xD
14:47*andythenorth being beaten by Silicon Valley
14:47<Eddi|zuHause>Lyon is crazily hilly
14:47<Eddi|zuHause>(although i've only seen it from the highway)
14:47<Eddi|zuHause>(which actually tunnels underneath the city)
14:48<Eddi|zuHause>(and that was 20 years ago)
14:49<Aristide>Yes TCL network (public transport) has been « reset » in August 2011 xD
14:49<andythenorth>station acceptance is very strange
14:50<andythenorth>finally, the station stops accepting stuff
14:50<andythenorth>after demolishing 50% of it :P
14:51<Aristide>andythenorth: Where ?
14:51<andythenorth>basically catchments are bigger than reported
14:52<andythenorth>so unexpected acceptance happens
14:52<andythenorth>which breaks networks
14:52<andythenorth>(or unexpected supply of cargo)
14:55<andythenorth>I'm surprised it doesn't get reported as a bug more often tbh
14:56<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: depends on what you expect.
14:56<andythenorth>someone drew a picture once of how it actually works
14:56<andythenorth>I think in this case magic industry tile 0xFF is the problem
14:57<andythenorth>ports etc are bigger than they look due to that tile
14:57<Eddi|zuHause>it's simple actually. you draw a rectangle around all tiles of the station, and then you add the radius to that rectangle
14:57<Eddi|zuHause>the radius is the largest of any station part
14:57<andythenorth>so a station with a dock....all tiles have the dock radius
15:03<Eddi|zuHause>and if the station is not rectangular, even tiles without station have the radius
15:03<Eddi|zuHause>if they would be part of the station were it made rectangular
15:04<Eddi|zuHause>(but then it gets complicated: this works only for delivery, not pickup. so in extreme cases an industry may be delivered with raw materials but the produced goods would not appear)
15:05<Eddi|zuHause>(the reverse can also happen if the industry is not rectangular)
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16:03<frosch123>is entry 01 supposed to be paused? :p
16:04<@planetmaker>hm, why?
16:04<frosch123>01 and 04 are paused
16:04<frosch123>but i assume they will be unpaused if they win
16:05<@planetmaker>can be done, I guess :)
16:08<andythenorth>infosec questionnaire complete
16:09<andythenorth>"my glamourous life"
16:11<frosch123>is 05 supposed to be zoomed out?
16:11<frosch123>i guess so
16:12<frosch123>the signal usage is sad in most though
16:16<frosch123>actually most of the games seem to be paused
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16:26<frosch123>i found the troll game
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16:40<frosch123>i guess i am mainstream with my second vote
16:41<frosch123>s/vote/place/ or whatever
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16:53<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r26382 trunk/src/goal.cpp (2014-02-27 21:53:14 UTC)
16:53<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#5932] (r25372): All goal commands invalidated the goal list of company 0.
16:54<ST2>thank you Mr. frosch :)
16:55<frosch123>thanks for the report :)
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20:43<Flygon_>Oh man
20:43<Flygon_>All these tiny features in OpenTTD are amazing!
20:44<Flygon_>I just learned you can double click a vehicle on the screen to stop it! O_O
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20:49<Eddi|zuHause>i know that as ctrl+click
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21:07<Flygon>Accidentally hit Send To Depot
21:07<Flygon>We need a reverse button :|
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21:38<Flygon>Annd oh crap
21:38<Flygon>I need to build two waypoints in one tile
21:41<Flygon>Ever have those moments where you realize your layouts are useless due to one tiny thing?
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22:20<Supercheese>Load an autosave :)
22:20<Supercheese>You mightn't lose that much progress
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