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---Logopened Thu Mar 06 00:00:33 2014
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02:39<Flygon_>Oh man
02:39<Flygon_>OpenTTD is evil
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02:39<Flygon>Work on a fictional story for a contest
02:39<Flygon>Or work on a map some more
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03:28<@planetmaker>hehe, that's a nice 'question' :P
03:28<V453000>WTF :D
03:29<V453000>is any of those actually correct?
03:30<@planetmaker>hehe :)
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03:32<V453000>id say it is something between 25 and 50 but idk :D
03:32<@planetmaker>it's either 25% or 50%. But obviously both is wrong :)
03:34<@planetmaker>if all four answers were different, chance would be 25%. But the "25%" is present twice... :)
03:35<V453000>that I know
03:35<V453000>so I assume the chance is something between 50 and 25 :D
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03:37<__ln__>but does it matter...
03:38<__ln__>it probably does
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06:17<Eddi|zuHause>the answer is 0% obviously
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06:32<Xaroth|Work>Eddi|zuHause: but that's not one of the answers ;)
06:32<Xaroth|Work>and if it were, it'd be wrong as well
06:32<Xaroth|Work>and the whole point of the question is, that it is invalid, and cannot be answered
06:33<Xaroth|Work>normally, it'd be 25%, but since there are 2 25% options, that would yield 50% .. which only has one option.
06:33<Xaroth|Work>so the answer would be 0%, as there's no right answer.. but 1) if that were an option, it'd be wrong and 2) it's not an option, so cannot be an answer
06:33<Eddi|zuHause>Xaroth|Work: who said the answer has to be given as one of {A..D}?
06:34<Xaroth|Work>that is implied by it being a multiple choice question
06:34<Xaroth|Work>you have to choose an answer, and you're presented with the options
06:34<Eddi|zuHause>nothing is ever implled
06:37<Eddi|zuHause>anyway, multiple choice questions are not popular over here
06:37<Xaroth|Work>I don't see the relevance of something being popular or not :)
06:38<Eddi|zuHause>it has. if you want to challenge the mindset, you need something that is commonly "known" :)
06:38<Xaroth|Work>knowledge of something and popularity are not related
06:39<Xaroth|Work>there are enough things that are commonly known, but not popular at all
06:39<Eddi|zuHause>like if you make a parody of knock-knock jokes, it won't work as well if the audience is not familiar with knock-knock jokes
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07:05<@planetmaker>Eddi|zuHause, you'd be surprised as to *how* popular multiple choice actually is
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07:39<Eddi|zuHause>planetmaker: maybe in the west. but in the east, no serious test i remember was multiple choice
07:39<@planetmaker>for me, that's the case neither. But if you look for instance at the (final) examinations for pharmacy students: they're all multiple choice
07:40<@planetmaker>disgusting if you ask me, but that's how it is
07:40<@planetmaker>and tests for driver licenses etc etc
07:41<Eddi|zuHause>ok, drivers license, but that's already more complicated because more than one answer may be correct. also it's only part of the test.
07:43<V453000>I had some english tests which were ABCD, and it was the toughest test I ever wrote :D it was made so that the answers were so similar, that before you read all 4 of them, it confused you to hell ... plus possibility of multiple being correct and 0 points if you have one missing or too many :D
07:44<V453000>actually negative points for incorrect answers, makes it that much cuter
07:45<@planetmaker>hehe. I like that scheme. And you pass, if your score is > 0 or so :)
07:45<@planetmaker>but it's psychologically not so nice :D
07:45<peter1139>anyone familiar with the vpn client on os x?
07:46<V453000>yeah :D we had to get like 80%+
07:46<V453000>the teacher was seriously brutal
07:48<Eddi|zuHause>usual grading systems are ">50% = barely passed" ">90% = excellent"
07:48<Eddi|zuHause>with slight modifications
07:49<V453000>well this was more of a binary grading system for most of us :D passed or not ... though there was some grading but within the 20%, you didnt really care
07:50<@planetmaker>well, the 50% makes only sense, if you do not use multiple choice :)
07:51<Eddi|zuHause>what i never understood is, when we switched from the eastern (1-5) to the western (1-6) grading system, they basically split "fail" into two categories
07:52<Eddi|zuHause>like you can "fail, but maybe there is hope" and "fail, and all hope is lost"
07:52<@planetmaker>well :) 5 is you failed. And 6 is you failed so hard, it's hopeless :P (or if you committed fraud)
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07:56<Eddi|zuHause>there was a chemistry test, where a pupil dropped a sheet of paper to the ground, the teacher picked it up, and read outloud: "Spickzettel"... :p
07:57<@planetmaker>tehehe :)
07:57<Eddi|zuHause>when he gave back the graded test he said something like: "i'm fairly convinced you couldn't use this cheat sheet, so i give you the 5 instead of a 6" :p
07:59<Eddi|zuHause>there were also other teachers of the opinion "well when you went through the trouble of making a cheat sheet, then you probably don't need it anymore"
08:00<Eddi|zuHause>and in some university tests, it was actually allowed to have "one A4 paper, handwritten"
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10:27<Eddi|zuHause>"We might as well be reporting that slithy toves gyre and gimble in the wabe." <-- can someone translate this for me?
10:30<Pinkbeast>Eddi|zuHause: Serious question?
10:31<Eddi|zuHause>Pinkbeast: not entirely serious
10:31<Pinkbeast>Well, let me know if you want me to answer it. ;-)
10:31<Eddi|zuHause>Pinkbeast: but it sounds like something that could either be an old and antiquated expression, or completely made up gubbledigoo
10:32<Pinkbeast>It's from Lewis Carroll's _Jabberwocky_, a nonsense poem that includes a number of made-up words that sort of make sense in context.
10:33<Eddi|zuHause>i don't think i ever actually heard/read that poem. only people referencing it
10:33<Pinkbeast>... at least one of which ("chortle") has become a perfectly normal English word
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10:35<rubidium>add portmanteau to that list
10:35<Eddi|zuHause>it's a perfect example of what i tried to say earlier: if you make a parody of something that is so well-known in one culture, that parody may be completely lost in other cultures where it's not well known
10:35*Pinkbeast looks up which words were new. "Burble" is now fairly normal; "galumph" slightly whimsical, "vorpal" in gaming at least...
10:36<Pinkbeast>Errr although Carroll came up with the use of "portmanteau" as in "portmaneau word" the word itself is older
10:38<rubidium>but portmanteau wasn't used in English before (according to wikipedia)
10:38<Pinkbeast>rubidium: Even WP says "In then-contemporary English, a portmanteau was a suitcase that opened into two equal sections."
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10:39<andythenorth>"Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun The frumious Bandersnatch!"
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10:40<Pinkbeast>OED has 1553 in J. B. Paul Accts. Treasurer Scotl. (1913) X. 197, vj quarteris bukrum to be ane portemantew to my lorde governour.
10:41<Eddi|zuHause>we have an expression for people that act like andy: "Ruhe auf den billigen Plätzen!"
10:42*Pinkbeast knows Ruhe from Coppelius's "Ruhe, bitte" signs but pray translate? :-)
10:42<Eddi|zuHause>(which translates to: "quiet on the cheap seats)
10:42<Pinkbeast>"Quiet at the back, there!"
10:42<Eddi|zuHause>something like that
10:42*planetmaker is unsure how that applies though :)
10:43<Eddi|zuHause>planetmaker: it's generally thrown at people who jump into conversations they were not part of
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12:18<Pikka>oh never shall I forget the cry or the shriek that shriek-ed he
12:19<Pikka>as I gnashed my teeth when from its sheath I drew my snickersnee
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12:52<andythenorth>bonsoir Pikka chops
12:52<Pikka>oui oui
12:52<andythenorth>where is game at?
12:52<Pikka>there isn't any
12:53<andythenorth>sad face
12:53<Pikka>or not many, at least!
12:53<andythenorth>where is truck set at?
12:53<Pikka>there's a truck set?
12:57<andythenorth>not yet :P
12:57<andythenorth>can I start a new set if the others aren't funished?
12:58<Pikka>we'll need the server updating to the latest nightly or such?
12:58<andythenorth>also I have to cycle home in the rain first
12:58<andythenorth>unless you can do that
12:58<andythenorth>planetmaker: MP game? o-O
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13:06<andythenorth>what are we playing?
13:06<andythenorth>NCG? SV?
13:09<Pikka>I've got a nocargoal savegame
13:09<Pikka>but if you'd rather make one
13:09<@planetmaker>I can try to update .pro server. But I'll have to leave in an hour
13:10<andythenorth>Pikka: let's play yours
13:10<andythenorth>is it evil?
13:10<andythenorth>we need an update because pikka is crashy?
13:10<Pikka>I don't know if it's evil
13:10<Pikka>yes we do
13:12<Pikka>it's FIRS so it's probably evil
13:18<Pikka>y'know, when we actually start playing with trains with running costs, it's going to be a shock. ;) Might have to up the game length by a year or two.
13:19<Pikka>or does IH 3 have running costs now?
13:22<andythenorth>not so much
13:23<Pikka>well, I think we're about ready to go with the server
13:23<andythenorth>I have to go face the rain in a bit
13:23<Pikka>I'm going to go transport some JAVA
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14:16<frosch123>@topic set Party!
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14:18<frosch123>actually you posted 12 mintues too early :p
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14:20<@planetmaker>I can change the time :P
14:23<andythenorth>Pikka: we playing? o_O
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14:23<andythenorth>I have to talk to a man in Brisbane in a bit
14:24<andythenorth>Alberth: MP game?
14:24<@Alberth>oh, hi :)
14:24<@Alberth>euhm sure
14:27<@Alberth>"GoneWacko: Press ALT+ENTER for fullscreen mode. If you want different resolutions, just modify the source code. " /me likes that spirit, who needs configuration files :p
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14:29<Wolf01>uhm, what?
14:29<frosch123>ciao Wolf01
14:30<andythenorth>frosch123: game on?
14:30<frosch123>i'll join when you get started
14:31<frosch123>i need to prepare coffee and such
14:31<frosch123>and finish the forums
14:31<frosch123>i heard there is an awesome post on the forums today
14:34<frosch123>it's not that hard to find :p
14:34<frosch123>it's even linked from the front page
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14:59<@Alberth>hi hi W
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16:19<@DorpsGek>Commit by fonsinchen :: r26393 /trunk/src (3 files in 2 dirs) (2014-03-06 21:19:41 UTC)
16:19<@DorpsGek>-Fix: Update distances between link graph nodes when station sign is moved
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16:46<__ln__>well observed
16:47<Aristide>NGC3982: o/
16:47<Aristide>__ln__: \o
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17:29<ophjhj>free pc game
17:29<@planetmaker>@kban ophjhj
17:29-!-mode/#openttd [+b *!~ghiigo@] by DorpsGek
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17:34<NGC3982>Aristide: :-)
17:35<Aristide>Can I share my music here ? ^^
17:36<@planetmaker>yes. once ;)
17:36<Aristide> ^^
17:37<Aristide>Sorry, i'm too lazy for go to soundcloud x)
17:37<Aristide>Upload on my freebox is simplest for me
17:38<Aristide>planetmaker: x)
17:38<@planetmaker>@help kban
17:38<@DorpsGek>planetmaker: (kban [<channel>] [--{exact,nick,user,host}] <nick> [<seconds>] [<reason>]) -- If you have the #channel,op capability, this will kickban <nick> for as many seconds as you specify, or else (if you specify 0 seconds or don't specify a number of seconds) it will ban the person indefinitely. --exact bans only the exact hostmask; --nick bans just the nick; --user bans just the user, and --host bans (1 more message)
17:39<@planetmaker> @kban Aristide 86400 once means you post link and are banned
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17:44<__ln__>'once' is eleven in spanish
17:45<NGC3982>Yes, and we have to respect culture.
17:45<NGC3982>Where am i
17:46*Eddi|zuHause points at the sky: *about that direction*
17:46<@planetmaker>unless you have permission to distribute that file, do not ever do that again, Aristide. Next time I will not add a leading " " to that line
17:47<Aristide>planetmaker: Do you speak about autorisation from author ? Or autorisation for distribute this file here ?
17:49<@planetmaker>you obviously need the first. And the latter is limited by the topic of the channel. somewhat
17:49<Aristide>Ok, sorry if this share is out of rules for channel
17:49<Aristide>But i'm the author of this music :)
17:49<NGC3982>The music of life?
17:50<NGC3982>I thought that was copyrighted by Terry Gilliam.
17:50-!-mode/#openttd [+o frosch123] by DorpsGek
17:50-!-frosch123 changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.4.0-beta5, 1.3.3 | Website: * (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices
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17:50<@planetmaker>no party :(
17:50<frosch123>party is over :p
17:51<NGC3982>As usual, nobody understands my Münchausen tropes.
17:51<Eddi|zuHause>"A fisherman from Kiel pulled a message in a bottle out of the ocean dated 17th may 1913. if this date is confirmed, it would break the record of the oldest known message found, currently a message from 10th june 1914"
17:51<Aristide>NGC3982: I have create this music ^^This music is a remake from other music from me :)
17:51<NGC3982>Aristide: Yes, i noticed.
17:52<NGC3982>Eddi|zuHause: Jeez. Should be easily dated, i guess.
17:52<Aristide>Sorry again if this share is out of rules
17:52<__ln__>how did he know the date of the ocean
17:52<Aristide>(For information I never share © music from other author than me)
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17:52<NGC3982>Is 1910-1915 too new for Carbon dating?
17:53<NGC3982>Damn nukes.
17:53<NGC3982>I guess there are better ways of dating something that "new".
17:53<NGC3982>Like ..asking people.
17:53<Eddi|zuHause>carbon dating is generally impossible for anything after 1945
17:53<Xaroth|Work>depends on the object
17:54<Xaroth|Work>and also how long you measure
17:54<Xaroth|Work>if you measure benzene for.. what was it.. 4 hours, you'd still have an error margin of 80-100 years
17:54<@planetmaker>NGC3982, not so much the nukes but the half-life time is 5700-odd years. so 50 years accuracy is... difficult, 100 years isn't exaclty easy either
17:54<NGC3982>Xaroth|Work: Oh my.
17:54<NGC3982>PM: I see.
17:54<Xaroth|Work>so yeh, you really want to do carbon dating on -old- stuff :P
17:55*NGC3982 puts a lump of barium in __ln__.
17:55<Xaroth|Work>like, hundreds of years at least
17:55<Eddi|zuHause>paper can be dated in other ways, like materials used for production
17:55<Xaroth|Work>else your error margin will be too extreme for it to be reliable
17:55<Eddi|zuHause>this was used to find out the "hitler diaries" were a fake, because the whitener used was only introduced in the 1950s
17:56<NGC3982>Eddi|zuHause: I read that in a book literaly five hours ago.
17:56<@planetmaker>Xaroth_, nah, carbon dating really is for new stuff :)
17:56<NGC3982>Gunnar Wall's "Heist of the century".
17:56<@planetmaker>for old stuff you want lead-lead or K-Ar :)
17:56<Xaroth|Work>depends on your definition of new :P
17:57<Eddi|zuHause>"new" being "since the beginning of civilisation" :p
17:57<NGC3982>lead-lead and k-ar?
17:57<Eddi|zuHause>so 1000-10000 years
17:59<Eddi|zuHause>for things younger than 1000 years you have to figure out other ways. for example you can figure out the year that a tree was cut down by the arrangement of the rings. they form a very unique pattern depending how long the summers and how hard the winters were
17:59<Eddi|zuHause>it's a very well researched topic
17:59<@planetmaker>yeah. But you need good sampling from that region for the dendro-chronology method
18:00<Eddi|zuHause>but that won't help you with a piece of cardboard :p
18:00<@planetmaker>NGC3982, other isotopic ratios to consider for radiometric dating
18:00<@planetmaker>Pb-Pb sometimes also called U-Pb. Depends on what to exactly look at
18:02<Eddi|zuHause><NGC3982> Gunnar Wall's "Heist of the century". <-- well at least in germany, it's a fairly well known topic. there are occasionally documentaries on TV and stuff.
18:03<NGC3982>Oh. It's still a measurement of decay?
18:04<@planetmaker>yes. There's several systems. Depending on material and time span to look at
18:07<Xaroth|Work>ooh, COSMOS airs this weekend :o
18:07<NGC3982>I have high hopes.
18:07*NGC3982 met Tyson once.
18:07<NGC3982>I was like a four year old.
18:07<Xaroth|Work>I would probably be the same :P
18:08<NGC3982>I did mot meet Sagan, though
18:08<NGC3982>I wish i could
18:08<Xaroth|Work>I met neither :|
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18:21<Eddi|zuHause>who? what?
18:24<Xaroth|Work> << the trailer
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