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| 02:39 | <Flygon_> | Oh man |
| 02:39 | <Flygon_> | OpenTTD is evil |
| 02:39 | -!- | Flygon_ is now known as Flygon |
| 02:39 | <Flygon> | Work on a fictional story for a contest |
| 02:39 | <Flygon> | Or work on a map some more |
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| 03:21 | <Xaroth|Work> | http://i.imgur.com/LLa4pOE.jpg |
| 03:26 | <@planetmaker> | moin |
| 03:27 | <Xaroth|Work> | o/ |
| 03:28 | <@planetmaker> | hehe, that's a nice 'question' :P |
| 03:28 | <V453000> | WTF :D |
| 03:29 | <V453000> | is any of those actually correct? |
| 03:30 | <@planetmaker> | hehe :) |
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| 03:32 | <V453000> | id say it is something between 25 and 50 but idk :D |
| 03:32 | <@planetmaker> | it's either 25% or 50%. But obviously both is wrong :) |
| 03:33 | <V453000> | right |
| 03:34 | <@planetmaker> | if all four answers were different, chance would be 25%. But the "25%" is present twice... :) |
| 03:35 | <V453000> | that I know |
| 03:35 | <V453000> | so I assume the chance is something between 50 and 25 :D |
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| 03:37 | <__ln__> | but does it matter... |
| 03:38 | <__ln__> | it probably does |
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| 06:17 | <Eddi|zuHause> | the answer is 0% obviously |
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| 06:24 | <Pikka> | obviously |
| 06:32 | <Xaroth|Work> | Eddi|zuHause: but that's not one of the answers ;) |
| 06:32 | <Xaroth|Work> | and if it were, it'd be wrong as well |
| 06:32 | <Xaroth|Work> | and the whole point of the question is, that it is invalid, and cannot be answered |
| 06:33 | <Xaroth|Work> | normally, it'd be 25%, but since there are 2 25% options, that would yield 50% .. which only has one option. |
| 06:33 | <Xaroth|Work> | so the answer would be 0%, as there's no right answer.. but 1) if that were an option, it'd be wrong and 2) it's not an option, so cannot be an answer |
| 06:33 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Xaroth|Work: who said the answer has to be given as one of {A..D}? |
| 06:34 | <Xaroth|Work> | that is implied by it being a multiple choice question |
| 06:34 | <Xaroth|Work> | you have to choose an answer, and you're presented with the options |
| 06:34 | <Eddi|zuHause> | nothing is ever implled |
| 06:35 | <Eddi|zuHause> | s/ll/li/ |
| 06:37 | <Eddi|zuHause> | anyway, multiple choice questions are not popular over here |
| 06:37 | <Xaroth|Work> | I don't see the relevance of something being popular or not :) |
| 06:38 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it has. if you want to challenge the mindset, you need something that is commonly "known" :) |
| 06:38 | <Xaroth|Work> | knowledge of something and popularity are not related |
| 06:39 | <Xaroth|Work> | there are enough things that are commonly known, but not popular at all |
| 06:39 | <Eddi|zuHause> | like if you make a parody of knock-knock jokes, it won't work as well if the audience is not familiar with knock-knock jokes |
| 06:40 | <Eddi|zuHause> | (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVtuRVaut1o) |
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| 07:05 | <@planetmaker> | Eddi|zuHause, you'd be surprised as to *how* popular multiple choice actually is |
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| 07:39 | <Eddi|zuHause> | planetmaker: maybe in the west. but in the east, no serious test i remember was multiple choice |
| 07:39 | <@planetmaker> | for me, that's the case neither. But if you look for instance at the (final) examinations for pharmacy students: they're all multiple choice |
| 07:40 | <@planetmaker> | disgusting if you ask me, but that's how it is |
| 07:40 | <@planetmaker> | and tests for driver licenses etc etc |
| 07:41 | <Eddi|zuHause> | ok, drivers license, but that's already more complicated because more than one answer may be correct. also it's only part of the test. |
| 07:43 | <V453000> | I had some english tests which were ABCD, and it was the toughest test I ever wrote :D it was made so that the answers were so similar, that before you read all 4 of them, it confused you to hell ... plus possibility of multiple being correct and 0 points if you have one missing or too many :D |
| 07:44 | <V453000> | actually negative points for incorrect answers, makes it that much cuter |
| 07:45 | <@planetmaker> | hehe. I like that scheme. And you pass, if your score is > 0 or so :) |
| 07:45 | <@planetmaker> | but it's psychologically not so nice :D |
| 07:45 | <peter1139> | anyone familiar with the vpn client on os x? |
| 07:45 | <peter1139> | racoon |
| 07:46 | <V453000> | yeah :D we had to get like 80%+ |
| 07:46 | <V453000> | the teacher was seriously brutal |
| 07:48 | <Eddi|zuHause> | usual grading systems are ">50% = barely passed" ">90% = excellent" |
| 07:48 | <Eddi|zuHause> | with slight modifications |
| 07:49 | <V453000> | well this was more of a binary grading system for most of us :D passed or not ... though there was some grading but within the 20%, you didnt really care |
| 07:50 | <@planetmaker> | well, the 50% makes only sense, if you do not use multiple choice :) |
| 07:51 | <Eddi|zuHause> | what i never understood is, when we switched from the eastern (1-5) to the western (1-6) grading system, they basically split "fail" into two categories |
| 07:51 | <V453000> | :d |
| 07:52 | <Eddi|zuHause> | like you can "fail, but maybe there is hope" and "fail, and all hope is lost" |
| 07:52 | <@planetmaker> | well :) 5 is you failed. And 6 is you failed so hard, it's hopeless :P (or if you committed fraud) |
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| 07:56 | <Eddi|zuHause> | there was a chemistry test, where a pupil dropped a sheet of paper to the ground, the teacher picked it up, and read outloud: "Spickzettel"... :p |
| 07:57 | <@planetmaker> | tehehe :) |
| 07:57 | <Eddi|zuHause> | when he gave back the graded test he said something like: "i'm fairly convinced you couldn't use this cheat sheet, so i give you the 5 instead of a 6" :p |
| 07:59 | <Eddi|zuHause> | there were also other teachers of the opinion "well when you went through the trouble of making a cheat sheet, then you probably don't need it anymore" |
| 08:00 | <Eddi|zuHause> | and in some university tests, it was actually allowed to have "one A4 paper, handwritten" |
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| 09:29 | <dihedral> | oi |
| 09:31 | <@planetmaker> | o |
| 09:31 | <@planetmaker> | i |
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| 09:49 | <Pikka> | e |
| 09:49 | <Pikka> | ? |
| 09:49 | <V453000> | y |
| 09:49 | <V453000> | . |
| 09:52 | <Pikka> | k |
| 09:52 | <Pikka> | ! |
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| 10:27 | <Eddi|zuHause> | "We might as well be reporting that slithy toves gyre and gimble in the wabe." <-- can someone translate this for me? |
| 10:27 | <Eddi|zuHause> | (from http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/the-ukraine-crisis-through-the-whimsy-of-international-law-1.2559980) |
| 10:30 | <Pinkbeast> | Eddi|zuHause: Serious question? |
| 10:31 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Pinkbeast: not entirely serious |
| 10:31 | <Pinkbeast> | Well, let me know if you want me to answer it. ;-) |
| 10:31 | <Eddi|zuHause> | Pinkbeast: but it sounds like something that could either be an old and antiquated expression, or completely made up gubbledigoo |
| 10:32 | <Pinkbeast> | It's from Lewis Carroll's _Jabberwocky_, a nonsense poem that includes a number of made-up words that sort of make sense in context. |
| 10:33 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i don't think i ever actually heard/read that poem. only people referencing it |
| 10:33 | <Pinkbeast> | ... at least one of which ("chortle") has become a perfectly normal English word |
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| 10:35 | <rubidium> | add portmanteau to that list |
| 10:35 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it's a perfect example of what i tried to say earlier: if you make a parody of something that is so well-known in one culture, that parody may be completely lost in other cultures where it's not well known |
| 10:35 | * | Pinkbeast looks up which words were new. "Burble" is now fairly normal; "galumph" slightly whimsical, "vorpal" in gaming at least... |
| 10:36 | <Pinkbeast> | Errr although Carroll came up with the use of "portmanteau" as in "portmaneau word" the word itself is older |
| 10:38 | <rubidium> | but portmanteau wasn't used in English before (according to wikipedia) |
| 10:38 | <Pinkbeast> | rubidium: Even WP says "In then-contemporary English, a portmanteau was a suitcase that opened into two equal sections." |
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| 10:39 | <andythenorth> | "Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun The frumious Bandersnatch!" |
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| 10:40 | <Pinkbeast> | OED has 1553 in J. B. Paul Accts. Treasurer Scotl. (1913) X. 197, vj quarteris bukrum to be ane portemantew to my lorde governour. |
| 10:41 | <Eddi|zuHause> | we have an expression for people that act like andy: "Ruhe auf den billigen Plätzen!" |
| 10:42 | * | Pinkbeast knows Ruhe from Coppelius's "Ruhe, bitte" signs but pray translate? :-) |
| 10:42 | <Eddi|zuHause> | (which translates to: "quiet on the cheap seats) |
| 10:42 | <Pinkbeast> | "Quiet at the back, there!" |
| 10:42 | <Eddi|zuHause> | something like that |
| 10:42 | * | planetmaker is unsure how that applies though :) |
| 10:43 | <Eddi|zuHause> | planetmaker: it's generally thrown at people who jump into conversations they were not part of |
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| 12:18 | <Pikka> | oh never shall I forget the cry or the shriek that shriek-ed he |
| 12:19 | <Pikka> | as I gnashed my teeth when from its sheath I drew my snickersnee |
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| 12:52 | <andythenorth> | bonsoir Pikka chops |
| 12:52 | <Pikka> | oui oui |
| 12:52 | <andythenorth> | where is game at? |
| 12:52 | <Pikka> | there isn't any |
| 12:53 | <andythenorth> | sad face |
| 12:53 | <Pikka> | or not many, at least! |
| 12:53 | <andythenorth> | where is truck set at? |
| 12:53 | <Pikka> | there's a truck set? |
| 12:57 | <andythenorth> | not yet :P |
| 12:57 | <andythenorth> | can I start a new set if the others aren't funished? |
| 12:58 | <Pikka> | ummm |
| 12:58 | <Pikka> | maybe |
| 12:58 | <Pikka> | we'll need the server updating to the latest nightly or such? |
| 12:58 | <andythenorth> | probably |
| 12:58 | <andythenorth> | also I have to cycle home in the rain first |
| 12:58 | <andythenorth> | unless you can do that |
| 12:58 | <andythenorth> | planetmaker: MP game? o-O |
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| 13:06 | <andythenorth> | what are we playing? |
| 13:06 | <andythenorth> | NCG? SV? |
| 13:07 | <andythenorth> | scrabble? |
| 13:09 | <Pikka> | I've got a nocargoal savegame |
| 13:09 | <Pikka> | but if you'd rather make one |
| 13:09 | <@planetmaker> | I can try to update .pro server. But I'll have to leave in an hour |
| 13:10 | <andythenorth> | Pikka: let's play yours |
| 13:10 | <andythenorth> | is it evil? |
| 13:10 | <andythenorth> | we need an update because pikka is crashy? |
| 13:10 | <Pikka> | I don't know if it's evil |
| 13:10 | <Pikka> | yes we do |
| 13:12 | <Pikka> | it's FIRS so it's probably evil |
| 13:18 | <Pikka> | y'know, when we actually start playing with trains with running costs, it's going to be a shock. ;) Might have to up the game length by a year or two. |
| 13:19 | <Pikka> | or does IH 3 have running costs now? |
| 13:22 | <andythenorth> | not so much |
| 13:23 | <Pikka> | ah |
| 13:23 | <Pikka> | well, I think we're about ready to go with the server |
| 13:23 | <andythenorth> | awesome |
| 13:23 | <andythenorth> | I have to go face the rain in a bit |
| 13:23 | <Pikka> | alright |
| 13:23 | <Pikka> | I'm going to go transport some JAVA |
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| 14:16 | <frosch123> | @topic set Party! |
| 14:16 | -!- | DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: Party! |
| 14:16 | <@planetmaker> | :D |
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| 14:18 | <frosch123> | actually you posted 12 mintues too early :p |
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| 14:20 | <@planetmaker> | I can change the time :P |
| 14:23 | <andythenorth> | Pikka: we playing? o_O |
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| 14:23 | <andythenorth> | I have to talk to a man in Brisbane in a bit |
| 14:24 | <andythenorth> | Alberth: MP game? |
| 14:24 | <@Alberth> | oh, hi :) |
| 14:24 | <@Alberth> | euhm sure |
| 14:27 | <andythenorth> | pro |
| 14:27 | <@Alberth> | "GoneWacko: Press ALT+ENTER for fullscreen mode. If you want different resolutions, just modify the source code. " /me likes that spirit, who needs configuration files :p |
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| 14:29 | <Wolf01> | hello |
| 14:29 | <Wolf01> | uhm, what? |
| 14:29 | <frosch123> | ciao Wolf01 |
| 14:30 | <andythenorth> | frosch123: game on? |
| 14:30 | <frosch123> | i'll join when you get started |
| 14:31 | <frosch123> | i need to prepare coffee and such |
| 14:31 | <frosch123> | and finish the forums |
| 14:31 | <frosch123> | i heard there is an awesome post on the forums today |
| 14:32 | <andythenorth> | linky? |
| 14:34 | <frosch123> | it's not that hard to find :p |
| 14:34 | <frosch123> | it's even linked from the front page |
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| 14:59 | <@Alberth> | hi hi W |
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| 16:19 | <@DorpsGek> | Commit by fonsinchen :: r26393 /trunk/src (3 files in 2 dirs) (2014-03-06 21:19:41 UTC) |
| 16:19 | <@DorpsGek> | -Fix: Update distances between link graph nodes when station sign is moved |
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| 16:34 | <Aristide> | ^^ |
| 16:44 | <NGC3982> | Evening. |
| 16:46 | <__ln__> | well observed |
| 16:46 | <NGC3982> | W* |
| 16:47 | <Aristide> | NGC3982: o/ |
| 16:47 | <Aristide> | __ln__: \o |
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| 17:29 | <ophjhj> | free pc game http://tinyurl.com/mawsqmg |
| 17:29 | <@planetmaker> | @kban ophjhj |
| 17:29 | -!- | mode/#openttd [+b *!~ghiigo@49.50.68.17] by DorpsGek |
| 17:29 | -!- | ophjhj was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [planetmaker] |
| 17:34 | <NGC3982> | Aristide: :-) |
| 17:35 | <Aristide> | :) |
| 17:35 | <Aristide> | Can I share my music here ? ^^ |
| 17:36 | <@planetmaker> | yes. once ;) |
| 17:36 | <Aristide> | http://82.235.150.75/share/Ff_Nv1JaFHMn-rtv/music%2001%20refaisage.ogg ^^ |
| 17:37 | <Aristide> | Sorry, i'm too lazy for go to soundcloud x) |
| 17:37 | <Aristide> | Upload on my freebox is simplest for me |
| 17:37 | <@planetmaker> | ... |
| 17:38 | <Aristide> | planetmaker: x) |
| 17:38 | <@planetmaker> | @help kban |
| 17:38 | <@DorpsGek> | planetmaker: (kban [<channel>] [--{exact,nick,user,host}] <nick> [<seconds>] [<reason>]) -- If you have the #channel,op capability, this will kickban <nick> for as many seconds as you specify, or else (if you specify 0 seconds or don't specify a number of seconds) it will ban the person indefinitely. --exact bans only the exact hostmask; --nick bans just the nick; --user bans just the user, and --host bans (1 more message) |
| 17:39 | <@planetmaker> | @kban Aristide 86400 once means you post link and are banned |
| 17:39 | <Aristide> | lol |
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| 17:44 | <__ln__> | 'once' is eleven in spanish |
| 17:45 | <NGC3982> | Yes, and we have to respect culture. |
| 17:45 | <NGC3982> | Wait |
| 17:45 | <NGC3982> | Where am i |
| 17:46 | * | Eddi|zuHause points at the sky: *about that direction* |
| 17:46 | <@planetmaker> | unless you have permission to distribute that file, do not ever do that again, Aristide. Next time I will not add a leading " " to that line |
| 17:47 | <Aristide> | planetmaker: Do you speak about autorisation from author ? Or autorisation for distribute this file here ? |
| 17:49 | <@planetmaker> | you obviously need the first. And the latter is limited by the topic of the channel. somewhat |
| 17:49 | <Aristide> | Ok, sorry if this share is out of rules for channel |
| 17:49 | <Aristide> | But i'm the author of this music :) |
| 17:49 | <@planetmaker> | ok |
| 17:49 | <NGC3982> | The music of life? |
| 17:50 | <NGC3982> | I thought that was copyrighted by Terry Gilliam. |
| 17:50 | <frosch123> | @op |
| 17:50 | -!- | mode/#openttd [+o frosch123] by DorpsGek |
| 17:50 | -!- | frosch123 changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.4.0-beta5, 1.3.3 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | #openttd.dev for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices |
| 17:50 | <@frosch123> | @deop |
| 17:50 | -!- | mode/#openttd [-o frosch123] by DorpsGek |
| 17:50 | <@planetmaker> | no party :( |
| 17:50 | <frosch123> | party is over :p |
| 17:51 | <NGC3982> | As usual, nobody understands my Münchausen tropes. |
| 17:51 | <Eddi|zuHause> | "A fisherman from Kiel pulled a message in a bottle out of the ocean dated 17th may 1913. if this date is confirmed, it would break the record of the oldest known message found, currently a message from 10th june 1914" |
| 17:51 | <Aristide> | NGC3982: I have create this music ^^This music is a remake from other music from me :) |
| 17:51 | <NGC3982> | Aristide: Yes, i noticed. |
| 17:52 | <NGC3982> | Eddi|zuHause: Jeez. Should be easily dated, i guess. |
| 17:52 | <Aristide> | Sorry again if this share is out of rules |
| 17:52 | <frosch123> | night |
| 17:52 | <__ln__> | how did he know the date of the ocean |
| 17:52 | <Aristide> | (For information I never share © music from other author than me) |
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| 17:52 | <andythenorth> | bye |
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| 17:52 | <NGC3982> | Is 1910-1915 too new for Carbon dating? |
| 17:53 | <@planetmaker> | yes |
| 17:53 | <NGC3982> | Damn nukes. |
| 17:53 | <NGC3982> | I guess there are better ways of dating something that "new". |
| 17:53 | <NGC3982> | Like ..asking people. |
| 17:53 | <Eddi|zuHause> | carbon dating is generally impossible for anything after 1945 |
| 17:53 | <Xaroth|Work> | depends on the object |
| 17:54 | <Xaroth|Work> | and also how long you measure |
| 17:54 | <Xaroth|Work> | if you measure benzene for.. what was it.. 4 hours, you'd still have an error margin of 80-100 years |
| 17:54 | <@planetmaker> | NGC3982, not so much the nukes but the half-life time is 5700-odd years. so 50 years accuracy is... difficult, 100 years isn't exaclty easy either |
| 17:54 | <NGC3982> | Xaroth|Work: Oh my. |
| 17:54 | <NGC3982> | PM: I see. |
| 17:54 | <Xaroth|Work> | so yeh, you really want to do carbon dating on -old- stuff :P |
| 17:55 | * | NGC3982 puts a lump of barium in __ln__. |
| 17:55 | <Xaroth|Work> | like, hundreds of years at least |
| 17:55 | <Eddi|zuHause> | paper can be dated in other ways, like materials used for production |
| 17:55 | <Xaroth|Work> | else your error margin will be too extreme for it to be reliable |
| 17:55 | <Eddi|zuHause> | this was used to find out the "hitler diaries" were a fake, because the whitener used was only introduced in the 1950s |
| 17:56 | <NGC3982> | Eddi|zuHause: I read that in a book literaly five hours ago. |
| 17:56 | <@planetmaker> | Xaroth_, nah, carbon dating really is for new stuff :) |
| 17:56 | <NGC3982> | Gunnar Wall's "Heist of the century". |
| 17:56 | <@planetmaker> | for old stuff you want lead-lead or K-Ar :) |
| 17:56 | <Xaroth|Work> | depends on your definition of new :P |
| 17:57 | <Eddi|zuHause> | "new" being "since the beginning of civilisation" :p |
| 17:57 | <@planetmaker> | :) |
| 17:57 | <NGC3982> | lead-lead and k-ar? |
| 17:57 | <Eddi|zuHause> | so 1000-10000 years |
| 17:59 | <Eddi|zuHause> | for things younger than 1000 years you have to figure out other ways. for example you can figure out the year that a tree was cut down by the arrangement of the rings. they form a very unique pattern depending how long the summers and how hard the winters were |
| 17:59 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it's a very well researched topic |
| 17:59 | <@planetmaker> | yeah. But you need good sampling from that region for the dendro-chronology method |
| 18:00 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but that won't help you with a piece of cardboard :p |
| 18:00 | <@planetmaker> | NGC3982, other isotopic ratios to consider for radiometric dating |
| 18:00 | <@planetmaker> | Pb-Pb sometimes also called U-Pb. Depends on what to exactly look at |
| 18:02 | <Eddi|zuHause> | <NGC3982> Gunnar Wall's "Heist of the century". <-- well at least in germany, it's a fairly well known topic. there are occasionally documentaries on TV and stuff. |
| 18:03 | <NGC3982> | Oh. It's still a measurement of decay? |
| 18:04 | <@planetmaker> | yes. There's several systems. Depending on material and time span to look at |
| 18:07 | <Xaroth|Work> | ooh, COSMOS airs this weekend :o |
| 18:07 | <NGC3982> | Already? |
| 18:07 | <NGC3982> | I have high hopes. |
| 18:07 | <Xaroth|Work> | same |
| 18:07 | * | NGC3982 met Tyson once. |
| 18:07 | <NGC3982> | I was like a four year old. |
| 18:07 | <NGC3982> | :e |
| 18:07 | <Xaroth|Work> | I would probably be the same :P |
| 18:08 | <NGC3982> | I did mot meet Sagan, though |
| 18:08 | <NGC3982> | I wish i could |
| 18:08 | <NGC3982> | :/ |
| 18:08 | <Xaroth|Work> | I met neither :| |
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| 18:21 | <Eddi|zuHause> | who? what? |
| 18:24 | <Xaroth|Work> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb5tdqplTqQ << the trailer |
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| 18:46 | <Wolf01> | 'night |
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