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#openttd IRC Logs for 2014-03-07

---Logopened Fri Mar 07 00:00:39 2014
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04:08<Flygon>As it turns out, there is a Big Boy replacement
04:08<Flygon><3 Centennial
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14:02<Phreeze>hi :>
14:02<Phreeze>irc still exists..nice
14:02<@planetmaker>would be bad, if not ;)
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14:10<Pikka>how rare
14:10<Pikka>my lightlbulb just died
14:10<Pikka>also my lightbulb
14:10<@planetmaker>yeah. It's rare. Light bulbs are outlawed in EU :-O
14:11<Pikka>it's a compact fluoro
14:11<Pikka>we still call them lightbulbs though :P
14:12<rubidium>planetmaker: not really, only production and import is outlawed
14:12<@planetmaker>I know. And not even all. But only those with a power less than X watts. X = 60?
14:13<@planetmaker>and doesn't apply for things like beamer light bulbs or so
14:13*Pinkbeast had a halogen pop in the kitchen recently. How it survived the last 5 years I don't know
14:14<Pikka>new one is so bright
14:16<Eddi|zuHause>my lightbulbs died way too frequently
14:16<Eddi|zuHause>and always all 4 at the same time
14:16<Eddi|zuHause>so i got LED ones now, they're supposed to last 15 years
14:16*Pinkbeast does not miss changing the damned things all the time, except on the front of the bicycles :-/
14:16<@planetmaker>leds loose brightness over time, though :)
14:17<Eddi|zuHause>possibly, but i probably won't notice gradual changes :p
14:23<Phreeze>i only got candles
14:23<Phreeze>it's romantic
14:24<@planetmaker>try to run your computer on that ;)
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14:24<Pinkbeast>They used to say a Merchant Navy locomotive would steam on a candle :-)
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14:34<andythenorth>where is game at?
14:34<@Alberth>hi hi
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14:58<andythenorth>funny place Swindon
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15:13<Phreeze>brb installing nnscript
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15:14<@Alberth>do you need to leave irc for that ?
15:14<Knogle>doubt it
15:14<frosch123>"close all applications before installing" then reboot one or two times
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15:15<TinoDidriksen>If he's using a browser extension for IRC...
15:16<andythenorth>nice of him to tell us
15:16<@Alberth>sure is
15:17<@planetmaker>now we know it's not the lack of love but the lack of working technology :P
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15:17<Knogle>I see it as a friendly warning, that bright colors might appear.
15:18<andythenorth>90% of newgrf makers work is wasted
15:18<andythenorth>thread, you've seen it already,
15:19<andythenorth>pax loco thing
15:19<@Alberth>improved income thread iirc
15:19<andythenorth>best passenger loco
15:19<andythenorth>it's the fastest one, right
15:19<@Alberth>oh right
15:19<andythenorth>faster is always better
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15:20<@Alberth>not sure about that, but some more differentiation in speed would be nice, I think
15:21<@Alberth>maybe nuts will give them at some point in the future :)
15:21<@planetmaker>ah, the speed thing
15:21<@planetmaker>sure, he has some point with the income curve
15:21<andythenorth>I don't understand it
15:21<andythenorth>faster is better
15:21<andythenorth>faster = delivered sooner
15:23<@Alberth>oh, from an income pov, no doubt about that
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15:35<Eddi|zuHause><andythenorth> faster = delivered sooner <-- in theory yes, but the income curve is somewhat odd in that beyond a certain point, it just does not matter, because the cargo has been going for so long that just distance counts
15:36<Eddi|zuHause>and i'm pretty sure that there is some time cap on cargo age that he did not even consider in his maths
15:36<andythenorth>faster is better :P
15:36*andythenorth is not using facts or logic
15:37<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: well his main point is that the logic and facts should represent your opinion :p
15:37<Eddi|zuHause>just he has an odd way of saying it
15:37<andythenorth>station rating considers speed?
15:37<andythenorth>also track utilisation is higher with higher vehicle speeds
15:37<Eddi|zuHause>unless you use a FIRS that overrides rating :p
15:37<andythenorth>throughput-per-tick is better
15:38<andythenorth>so has he considered the amortised cost of infrastructure?
15:38<Eddi|zuHause>and point-to-point lines with one single train
15:38<andythenorth>or the economic effect on station ratings?
15:38*andythenorth is dicking around, for the record
15:38<andythenorth>maybe I should go to bed
15:39<Eddi|zuHause>how can you go to bed with this hammering noise?
15:39<@Alberth>going to bed does not imply sleeping :)
15:40<andythenorth>the only noises I now hear are (1) crying child (2) drunks in street outside
15:40<andythenorth>both are approximately frequent
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15:41<andythenorth>nothing else keeps me awake
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15:45<rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: the aging period is 255 cargo_age_periods (in ticks); normally ~1.75 years, but since it's now a NewGRF property, it can be much sooner or later
15:47<Xaroth|Work>does that mean that newgrfs can make the 'profit' from those incredibly long lines near-naught?
15:48<Eddi|zuHause>well, yes, an industry newgrf can make custom payment calculation
15:48<Eddi|zuHause>but what rubidium meant was the cargo aging period, which can be varied on a per-vehicle-basis
15:49<Eddi|zuHause>default is 185 ticks
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15:53<rubidium>Xaroth|Work: it means that if transporting takes more than 1.75 years (in the normal case) with a fast vehicle, you'd get the same income as with a slower vehicle take longer (like 3.5 years)
15:55<rubidium>or in other words: "average speed for payment" = distance / min(1.75 years, transport time)
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16:19<Phreeze>seems so
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---Logclosed Sat Mar 08 00:00:44 2014