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06:22<juzza1>has anyone ever ran into something like this http://imgur.com/CpQXHc2
06:22<juzza1>the text is warped and some letter are almost unreadable
06:22<juzza1>using fedora and chrome
06:23<juzza1>the site wants to use 'Courier, Courier New, sans-serif' 11px
06:25<@planetmaker>anti-aliasing switched off?
06:29<juzza1>no effect when switchin on/off, and opera renders them much better... i guess this is a problem with chrome
06:29<juzza1>chrome doesnt have any anti-alias option as far as i can see
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07:21<adf88>hi
07:22<adf88>i've just read about a very curious bacdoor
07:22<adf88>actually two backdoors - one inside another :D
07:23<adf88>google "ninjamonkeypiratelaser" for details
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09:09<fjb_mobile>Moin
09:11<@planetmaker>moin :)
09:22<Eddi|zuHause>"ey alter" :p
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10:49<__ln___>http://www.der-postillon.com/2012/08/neue-zeitform-futur-iii-eingefuhrt-um.html
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11:20<digitalli>are vechicles release dates (years) fixed?
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12:06<Eddi|zuHause>__ln___: well every language should introduce a new temporal form every once in a while :p
12:07<Eddi|zuHause>2000 years ago we had only 2 tenses, now we have 6
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12:59<Phreeze>hm, am I blind, or isn't there anywhere a table with maximum vehicle lengths, speaking of designing trains and there pixel dimensions !? (e.g for a 8/8 template)....
13:00<Phreeze>32pixel wide for the _ view is clear, what about heigth and the other views !?
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13:00<Eddi|zuHause>there are loads of tutorials
13:00<Eddi|zuHause>usually height is 8 pixels
13:00<Phreeze>8 ?
13:00<Phreeze>lemme check..
13:01<Eddi|zuHause>my set uses 2px=1m scale, but that is a bit smaller than most sets
13:01<Phreeze>hm 16pixels for my template, in fact, the sprite that is 32x16pixels
13:01<Phreeze>aka: ____ view
13:02<Eddi|zuHause>well, depends on how you set the perspective for the roof
13:02<Phreeze>inthe 2cc set for example, the coradia uses 13pixels height + 3pixels for the electric stuff on top
13:02<Phreeze>just speaking of pixels that are to be drawn
13:03<Phreeze>as i'm using the pixeltool, it generates PNGs that are not the same size than my template
13:03<Phreeze>but only for the | view (first sprite)
13:03<Eddi|zuHause>well the sprite height should be (wall height)+(perspective roof width)
13:04<Eddi|zuHause>but you can make the perspective stuff easy or difficult :)
13:04<Phreeze>so your wall heigth is 8 ? that could work: 8 wall + 1pixel for the rest of the wheel + 4 pixels roof
13:06<Phreeze>but: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/pixeltool/push/LATEST/ creates 28pixel high 1st sprite views
13:06<Phreeze>with it's default settings, 36 10 12
13:06<Phreeze>but the default template uses a 24pixel high....so i'm really confused
13:08<Eddi|zuHause>there is a whole lot of perspective mess in the vehicle views. the original vehicles are 28px in - view, while most newgrf vehicles are 32px in - view
13:08<Eddi|zuHause>the 28px view makes vehicles travelling on the map more spaced out than in the depot
13:09<Eddi|zuHause>the 32px view has both at the same gap, but it increases the perspective discrepancy of the / view
13:11<Eddi|zuHause>the / view is 1px up and 2px right for each length step, the - view is 4px (in the 32px mode), which means the - view is stretched by 4/sqrt(5)
13:12<Eddi|zuHause>@calc 4/sqrt(5)
13:12<@DorpsGek>Eddi|zuHause: 1.788854382
13:23<Phreeze>k, so there is no standard
13:26<Eddi|zuHause>there are loads of standards: https://xkcd.com/927/
13:26<@planetmaker>there's the artistic license and there's the hard limit where clipping starts :)
13:26<@planetmaker>and there's the debug vehicles set :)
13:27<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, turn on bounding boxes to get an impression of vehicle sizes
13:27<Eddi|zuHause>although that won't work for the - and | views
13:28<Eddi|zuHause>bounding boxes are always / and \ aligned
13:28<@planetmaker>http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/debugveh
13:30<Phreeze>wow those are wide
13:31<Phreeze>(my dogs stalk me...I got Würstchen :) )
13:32<@planetmaker>Phreeze, obviously no-one reads summaries and stickies, though. Including you ;)
13:32<@planetmaker>http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=55814
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13:33<Phreeze>O_o
13:33<Phreeze>how can i miss that...
13:33<@planetmaker>see...!
13:33<@planetmaker>:)
13:33*Phreeze reading..
13:33<@planetmaker>that's why. Writing stickies is pretty pointless
13:33<@planetmaker>as is asking for them :P
13:36<Phreeze>in fact, i "read" this
13:36<Phreeze>but on wikipedia, regarding gplv2 and ccbysa 3.0
13:36<Phreeze>which shoudl represenet 99% of the cases
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13:44<Eddi|zuHause>stickies are the things that are always there and never relevant
13:44<Eddi|zuHause>so you ignore them
13:45<Eddi|zuHause>stickies should get more noticeable, like fullscreen popups :p
13:45<@planetmaker>:D
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14:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r26399 /trunk/src/lang (finnish.txt ukrainian.txt) (2014-03-12 18:45:14 UTC)
14:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
14:45<@DorpsGek>finnish - 1 changes by jpx_
14:45<@DorpsGek>ukrainian - 8 changes by Madvin
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15:29<andythenorth>o/
15:30<andythenorth>where is cat?
15:30<SpComb>cat is in hat
15:36<Eddi|zuHause>in your command line
15:36<Eddi|zuHause>reading your files
15:37<andythenorth>plausible
15:38<andythenorth>should I write my road set python classes from scratch? Or try and delete and refactor all the IH stuff I don't need (there's a lot)
15:38<andythenorth>this is somewhat a rhetorical questions
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15:40<Eddi|zuHause>don't write stuff from scratch unless you are sure you know better now
15:40<SpComb>andythenorth: you should have a beer
15:40<andythenorth>SpComb: this is good advice
15:41<andythenorth>Eddi|zuHause: I don't know better, I'd just make a new set of mistakes
15:41<Eddi|zuHause>just replace every occurance of FEAT_TRAIN by FEAT_ROADVEH
15:41<andythenorth>"I would extend my knowledge of my ignorance" etc :P
15:41<andythenorth>I already did that ;)
15:41<andythenorth>but I have over-complicated 3-part road vehicles :P
15:41<Eddi|zuHause>then everything should be fine :p
15:41<TrueBrain>tnx Eddi, nice post :D
15:42<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: i wanted to add "but we love him anyway" :p
15:42<TrueBrain>it was implied :)
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16:02<Xaroth|Work>wait, we do?
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16:49<Wolf01>hello o/
16:49<Pulec>python in opentd?
16:49<Pulec>hi wulf
16:50<andythenorth>squirrels not pythons
16:50<andythenorth>different aminal
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16:53<Pulec>squirells in openttd?
16:53<Pulec>is the zoom that good nowadays?
16:56<V453000>that is relative
16:56<V453000>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/animalz3.png
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17:08<Eddi|zuHause>that's a blank page
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17:09<V453000>works for me :d
17:09<andythenorth>works for me ;)
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17:10<frosch123>can you load the ducks also on bigger wetrail ducks?
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17:10<V453000>wetrail ducks pull log wagons behind them
17:10<V453000>but yes they can pull ducks that way
17:10<Eddi|zuHause>you mean like ducklings following a mother duck?
17:10<frosch123>well, there are always some black sheep in a duck family
17:12<Phreeze>animalz grf haha :D
17:18<V453000>not just some animalz :(
17:18<V453000>nutz (:
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17:19<TrueBrain>@kick xaroth|work better late than never .. you big meany!!
17:19-!-Xaroth|Work was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [better late than never .. you big meany!!]
17:20<TrueBrain>best part .. it will take him hours to notice :D
17:21<V453000>LOL
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17:38<Eddi|zuHause>the funny part is calling you dumb doesn't result in a kick, but realizing to love you does :p
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17:40<TrueBrain>the irony :D
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17:42<Phreeze>why was that guy kicked ?
17:42<TrueBrain>he stinks
17:42<TrueBrain>didnt you smell?
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17:43*andythenorth is sleepy
17:44<andythenorth>enough git for one day
17:44<TrueBrain>sleep well andy
17:45<andythenorth>don't commit merge artefacts
17:45<andythenorth>it makes you look like a complete dickhead
17:45<frosch123>TrueBrain: call him, and ask why he is not at work :)
17:45<andythenorth>then you have to cherry pick the fix back into branches
17:45<TrueBrain>dont commit the "who-is-hot" list to your SVN, then ask your sysadmin to remove it fast
17:46<TrueBrain>(that was a good story :D)
17:46<TrueBrain>frosch123: I am sure his wife wouldnt appreciate me doing that :P
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17:46<frosch123>ohoh, would he sent her after you? how cruel :p
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17:47<Eddi|zuHause>*reply censored*
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18:06<Wolf01>'night
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18:10<andythenorth>bye
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18:56<frosch123>night
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