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---Logopened Thu Apr 03 00:01:00 2014
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03:52<__ln___>hi supermop of .au
03:55<supermop>formerly of .us, formerly of .dk formerly of .uk formerly of .us
03:56<supermop>i want to make a tram set road map
03:56<supermop>but i feel like it will just look embarrassing to post a thread about a set and risk not ever completing it
04:02<Gallomimia>what if someone else completes it for you?
04:02<supermop>so the road map is to either first draw 5 trams and then ask for someone to help code
04:03<supermop>or first draw 5 sets of boxes, and try to code them myself
04:03<supermop>and then probably abandon it at the 0.0.2 version
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04:22<supermop>ok dinner
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06:32<@planetmaker>supermop, you should start with what you enjoy doing
06:33<@planetmaker>if you want to learn code NewGRFs: start with that. If you like rather get more experience drawing: do that
06:33<@planetmaker>supermop, it's supposed to be fun. That's the important thing
06:33<@planetmaker>if it's no fun to do - then you likely won't finish :)
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06:40<sgiratch_>Hoi. Is there a list of new features or whatnot in the latest version?
06:40<sgiratch_>Can't find anything
06:40<supermop>planetmaker: that's why i never finished my sheds/stations
06:46<@planetmaker>sgiratch_, there's a changelog link on the download page:
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06:54<@DorpsGek>Commit by planetmaker :: r26442 trunk/src/widgets/story_widget.h (2014-04-03 10:54:37 UTC)
06:54<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#5962] Silence compiler warning by adding newline at end of file
06:57<@planetmaker>might be record. Commit message 79 times longer than patch :D
06:59<sgiratch_>Great. Thanks planetmaker
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07:06<maddy_>nice one planetmaker, small change but still the feeling of accomplishment for making a commit
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07:35<@planetmaker>more to clean-up the bug list ;)
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10:44<Eddi|zuHause>"court in cologne decides: 'damage' in filesharing case reduced from the demanded 2500€ to 130€ (10€ per piece)"
10:45<Eddi|zuHause>"with popular files, the effect of a signle individual taking part in filesharing is minimal"
10:49<Eddi|zuHause>anyone can explain me the difference between xkcd 1349 and 1350?
10:51<rubidium>1350 is the one from Tuesday (not, as one would expect Wednesday)
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11:13<Eddi|zuHause>that does not explain anything
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11:47<@planetmaker>Eddi|zuHause: the title of 1350 is 'Lorenz', its aspect ratio is totally different as are graphics and text. So... why do you want to compare them?
11:48<Eddi|zuHause>planetmaker: i don't see a difference in aspect ratio?
11:49<@planetmaker>there was a muck-up for me earlier as in that they seemed the same. But they aren't
11:49<@planetmaker>they're totally different
11:53<Eddi|zuHause>they seem the same for me.
11:55<Eddi|zuHause>and why exists there a "reverse youtube playlists" plugin for chorme, but not for firefox. and why is that not a default feature anyway?
11:56<Eddi|zuHause>most channels order their videos newest-to-oldest, but when you're new to a channel, you'd more likely watch oldest-to-newest
11:58<@DorpsGek>Commit by planetmaker :: r26443 trunk/known-bugs.txt (2014-04-03 15:58:34 UTC)
11:58<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#5963]: Update documentation on how to solve the 'No suitable AI can be found' situation
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14:23<andythenorth>I fricking hate this weak-minded refusal to say anything is bad
14:24<andythenorth>if some things are good, or great, other things are bad
14:24<andythenorth>that’s how it works
14:26<Pikka>BAD FEETURES
14:27<@planetmaker>bad feet cures
14:27<@planetmaker>or so ;)
14:28<andythenorth>Pikka: you are bad feature
14:28<andythenorth>GS is bad feature
14:28*andythenorth is badass feature
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15:46<frosch123>someone is complaining about 150 grfs? :p
15:46<frosch123>how cute
15:46<Pikka>if they're 32bpp, that could be 20gb worth :P
15:47<frosch123>well, i had in mind to cache the scan resuilt; but then i noticed that it is actually way faster when not using a debug build, so i dropped the plan as tmwftlb
15:49<Pikka>I removed all grfs I wasn't currently using, and the scan didn't seem to be much faster
15:49<frosch123>how long does it take for you?
15:49<Pikka>about 5 seconds
15:50<@planetmaker>that's about the same here, too. With a bit more than 5k grfs
15:50<Pikka>"estimated 68 newgrfs"
15:51<@planetmaker>2nd startup is WAY faster
15:52*Pikka bedtime
15:52<Pikka>gnight all
15:53<@planetmaker>sleep well
15:53<frosch123>i am always surprised how long it actually takes to load ottd on first start
15:53<@planetmaker>you've a strange sleep pattern, Pikka
15:53<frosch123>it seems to take ages to load weird shared libraries
15:53<@planetmaker>or your not down under :)
15:53<Pikka>only sometimes
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15:54<frosch123>50+15 seconds on first start, 4+3 seconds on second start (start of ottd+grfscan)
15:56<frosch123>without optimizer the grfscan takes 7 instead of 3 seconds
16:03<@planetmaker>what kind of 'optimizer'?
16:03<frosch123>enable-debug vs enable-debug=3
16:04<frosch123>i.e. O2 or no optimization
16:04<@planetmaker>Anyhow, I believe we have more important things to fix than the start-up time
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16:04<@planetmaker>we're pretty good in comparison to most games
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16:06<andythenorth>what we’re really short of is GS :D
16:06<andythenorth>if I wasn’t such a bad programmer, I’d try one
16:06<andythenorth>but there we have the problem
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17:40<varbles>hey guys
17:40<varbles>huge ottd fan
17:41<varbles>just wondering if anyone has any advice for timetabling a route with a conditional order jump
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18:46<NGC3982>I do not hate locale as much any more.
18:48<__ln___>NGC3982: vad sjunger man när nån fyller hundra år eller mera?
18:50<NGC3982>You don't.
18:50<NGC3982>If you do, a matter feedback loop will be created, and we will seize to exist.
18:51<__ln___>oh pity
18:52<NGC3982>By the way, i actually had to check where on IRC i was, since you talked swedish. :-P
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20:22<shaunof99>anyone anyone on the public server?
20:24<Eddi|zuHause>wrong chat
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20:47<supermop>Eddi|zuHause: would your code work for trams too
20:47<Eddi|zuHause>supermop: yeah
20:48<Eddi|zuHause>just pull it, and replece every occurance of "VEH_TRAIN" by "VEH_ROAD" or so
20:49<Eddi|zuHause>then add or remove properties as you wish
20:49<supermop>so if _ and | are longer than / and \, what length are the intermediate angles?
20:49<Eddi|zuHause>supermop: use the existing template graphics
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