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03:39<andythenorth>o/
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04:55<@Alberth>hi hi
04:56<andythenorth>quiet eh?
04:56<Wolf01>hello o/
04:56<@Alberth>it's always quiet at saturday mornings
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06:49<frosch123>oh my, the scam send to ottd is so much better than those send to my private mail box
06:51<frosch123>though maybe this one is a pun :p
06:51<frosch123>someone registered ottd to participate in an international conference on ancient cultures in the lands of the bible :)
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06:57<Rubidium>isn't Atlantis the land of the bible? After all, according to the bible most of the land flooded... didn't it?
06:58<frosch123>i think atlantis is greek mythology, not jewish
06:59<Rubidium>it's all the same story, just with different names
06:59<frosch123>anyway, it's either in the black sea or mediterranean sea
07:00<frosch123>which good flooded after the last ice age, when global sea level raised
07:00<frosch123>s/good/got/
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08:42<andythenorth>this video work for any of you? https://www.flickr.com/photos/andythenorth/14071162377/in/set-72157644311005000
08:43<andythenorth>failing for me in all browsers I have
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08:58<@Alberth>seems to work
08:59<@Alberth>just a few scrolling displays
08:59<@Alberth>ie like you move it yourself
08:59<andythenorth>hmm
08:59<andythenorth>should be a video of this https://www.flickr.com/photos/andythenorth/14024296608/in/set-72157644311005000/
09:00<andythenorth>maybe flickr has done a wrong thing
09:02<andythenorth>hmm working now
09:02<andythenorth>odd
09:03<@Alberth>3rd photo has a problem, with the ramp before the first train wagon photo
09:03<@Alberth>looking very good :)
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09:28<Eddi|zuHause><frosch123> i think atlantis is greek mythology, not jewish <-- the flooding story is already part of babylonian and sumerian culture (the "gilgamesh epos", the oldest known story)
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10:18<Eddi|zuHause>also, they searched for atlantis in about 30 different places, and everywhere they found something...
10:23<fkinglag>you know what would be amazing? if I could move the main tool bar around to different corners/edges of the screen.
10:24<fkinglag>where do I go to request such a feature?
10:24<Eddi|zuHause>there is a setting for left/center/right alignment
10:24<fkinglag>oh.
10:25<fkinglag>where?
10:26<Eddi|zuHause>advanced settings->interface i suppose
10:26<Eddi|zuHause>haven't looked at it in a long time
10:26<fkinglag>perfect, thanks.
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10:38<LordAro>Eddi|zuHause: how long has it been since you last looked at it? :L
10:38<Eddi|zuHause>5 years?
10:39<Eddi|zuHause>i could tell you any random number, though
10:39<LordAro>heh
10:39<LordAro>no inclination to play at all?
10:41<Eddi|zuHause>there is a difference between playing and (consciously) looking at interface settings you have no desire of changing
10:41<Eddi|zuHause>anyway, i played a game about 3 years ago, when testing YACD
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11:35<Flygon>Eddi: What I fear is the future where Episode 2x15 ends up being humanity's biggest impact on the universe
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11:41<Rubidium>que?
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12:04<Eddi|zuHause>quoi?
12:07<Flygon>I'm confused
12:07<Flygon>Is the Spanish 'Que?' pronounced 'Kweh'? Or "Queue'?
12:07<Eddi|zuHause>quoi is french
12:08<Flygon>I know
12:08<Eddi|zuHause>and que is pronounced "keh"
12:08<Flygon><Rubidium> que?
12:08<Flygon>Ah, gotcha
12:08<Flygon>So it's like Qantas
12:08<Flygon>Except if you replace Q with a K in Qantas, you end up with a far more accurate description for the company
12:10<Eddi|zuHause>but still, what was the point/context of your original statement?
12:12<Eddi|zuHause>anyway, the "u" in spanish is generally silent after "q" and "g"
12:14<Eddi|zuHause>for some reason, all latin-derived words that have a "q" in it also have an "u", and the sound of "g" changes depending on if it is followed by "e"/"i" (soft vowels) or "a"/"o"/"u" (hard vowels)
12:15<Eddi|zuHause>but then there are exceptions...
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12:22<Eddi|zuHause>place names are often bad examples, as they tend to defy rules more often than confirm them, but the rule seems to be that the "u" is silent if leaving it out would change the sound, like in "Guernica", but spoken when it would not, like in "Guantanamo"
12:25<Eddi|zuHause>but i'm by no means an expert in spanish (if "expert" is defined as "spent more than 10000 hours on the topic", not the newspaper kind of "expert" which means "we put this title in to give the person more credibility")
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12:34<@Alberth>I thought expert was relative to the public :)
12:35<__ln___>it's Guantánamo, btw.
12:35<Eddi|zuHause>it's ¿Qué? as well
12:40<__ln___>indeed
12:45<Eddi|zuHause>but i have taught myself enough self restraint to not comment on EVERY spelling mistake
12:46<Eddi|zuHause>because there are a freaking lot of them
12:49<frosch123>"every" is written lowercase
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12:55<Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause / Flygon: it was about the episode 2x15 that came out of nothing (for me at least)
12:58<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: yes, i had that exact same feeling
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13:06<Youbi>Is there a tool to merge maps into a single one?
13:11<@Alberth>heightmaps can be merged using any pixel editor
13:12<@Alberth>otherwise, not really, unless you count the scenario editor as tool to do that
13:15<Phreeze>by map, do you mean a 256x256 + 256x256 map into a single 256x512 map ?
13:15<@Alberth>merge into a 256x256 map is much more fun :p
13:16<Phreeze>i got a trick for that
13:16<Phreeze>new game -> random seed
13:16<Phreeze>tada
13:17<@Alberth>:)
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13:33<Eddi|zuHause>once upon a time, if you used the same random seed on differently sized maps, you would get the same shape of terrain, just different cutouts of it. but variety distribution messed with that concept somewhat
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13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r26608 /trunk/src/lang (4 files) (2014-05-24 17:45:36 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>finnish - 17 changes by jpx_
13:45<@DorpsGek>italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv
13:45<@DorpsGek>russian - 12 changes by Lone_Wolf
13:45<@DorpsGek>spanish - 28 changes by Terkhen
13:53*andythenorth considers adding sound effects to FIRS
13:54<andythenorth>but the compile times are too boring to wait for :P
13:58<Eddi|zuHause>use partial compiles
13:58<Eddi|zuHause>OR: prove that it's working theoretically, then you don't need to compile
13:58<@DorpsGek>Commit by rubidium :: r26609 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel (5 files) (2014-05-24 17:58:32 UTC)
13:58<@DorpsGek>-Fix: compile warnings on MSVC for 32 bits builds due to assigning values to variables with smaller integer size
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14:02<andythenorth>2nd idea is a interesting
14:02<andythenorth>-a
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14:26<Phreeze>andy loves FIRS
14:26<Phreeze>oh hes off..what a pity
14:30<@Alberth>I doubt that :)
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14:42<Eddi|zuHause>andy and FIRS show all the signs of an abusive relationship
14:43<Phreeze>lol
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15:11<@DorpsGek>Commit by alberth :: r26610 /trunk/src (8 files in 6 dirs) (2014-05-24 19:11:20 UTC)
15:11<@DorpsGek>-Feature: Select an editable preset name for saving.
15:12<@DorpsGek>Commit by alberth :: r26611 trunk/src/settings.cpp (2014-05-24 19:12:48 UTC)
15:12<@DorpsGek>-Feature: Save and load grfid and md5sum of newgrfs in config file (frosch)
15:13<@DorpsGek>Commit by alberth :: r26612 /trunk/src (newgrf_config.cpp newgrf_config.h) (2014-05-24 19:13:34 UTC)
15:13<@DorpsGek>-Add: Method to copy newgrf parameters.
15:14<Supercheese>Awwww, snap
15:15<Supercheese>no more fiddling with parameters when a grf updates?
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15:16<@DorpsGek>Commit by alberth :: r26613 /trunk/src (5 files in 5 dirs) (2014-05-24 19:15:57 UTC)
15:16<@DorpsGek>-Feature: Upgrade currently active newgrfs to newest installed version.
15:16<Wolf01>yay
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15:16<@Alberth>early present for mr wolf :)
15:17<Wolf01>all hail ottd devs!
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15:33<@Alberth>o/
15:33<andythenorth>o/
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15:41<frosch123>andythenorth: update, and party albert's work!
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15:43<@Alberth>frosch helped too :)
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15:50*andythenorth tests
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16:53<@planetmaker>hi
16:53<Phreeze>ho
16:54<Taede>hey
16:57<Phreeze>hm need some old IDE harddrive, about 1-2GB and a comport-mouse
16:57<Phreeze>my old 1.2 GB drive doesnt seem to work anymore inmy classic pc
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16:58<Eddi|zuHause>i might have 40GB stuff lying around, but at least one of them is broken
16:59<RageRiot|>Is it possible to increase text size in open td
16:59<Eddi|zuHause>RageRiot|: yes, but you have to edit the config file directly
16:59<RageRiot|>:) I thought it might be a config.
17:00<Eddi|zuHause>nobody implemented a font picker dialog yet
17:00<RageRiot|>I'm on linux which one ?
17:00<Eddi|zuHause>the config file is most likely ~/.openttd/openttd.cfg
17:01<Eddi|zuHause>you have to put in a font name and size (size only does not work, as the default sprite font cannot be resized)
17:01<Eddi|zuHause>there are 4 fonts: small (e.g. profit in vehicle lists and zoomed out town names), normal (most stuff), large (newspapers) and monospace (readme stuff)
17:02<RageRiot|>ahh
17:02<Eddi|zuHause>font names can be a name you would find in a font picker (e.g. "Deja Vu Sans") or a filename
17:03<RageRiot|>and they need to be quoted?
17:03<Eddi|zuHause>i think not
17:03<Eddi|zuHause>you can also add "Bold" to the font name
17:04<Eddi|zuHause>although i don't remember if it needs a comma or not
17:04<+glx>not needed IIRC
17:04<RageRiot|>so it small_size = 0 the default size for a given font ? eg small_font = Deja Vu
17:05<Eddi|zuHause>i think small font is something like size 5
17:05<Eddi|zuHause>but most fonts don't look good at that size
17:05<+glx>6 is usually the minimal readable size
17:06<Eddi|zuHause>best if you use a program with a font picker like libre office
17:06<+glx>for some fonts it's 7
17:07<Eddi|zuHause>if you want to keep the default, leave it empty after the =, do not put a 0
17:07<RageRiot|>ahh
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17:16<RageRiot|>I've set small_size and normal_size to 12 and 16 respectivly and the font has not changed size.
17:16<LordAro>the default font is fixed size, so if you want larger text you have to specify a font as well
17:16<RageRiot|>however small_font and normal_font have taken effectt I chose bitstream
17:17<RageRiot|>I said normal I meant medium
17:17<RageRiot|>medium_font
17:18<@planetmaker>yes. And unless you specify a font there, you cannot change the size
17:18<RageRiot|>medium_font = Bitstream Charter Bold
17:18<RageRiot|>medium_size = 16
17:18<RageRiot|>same for small
17:19<@planetmaker>and you closed openttd, edited cfg. and only then restarted openttd?
17:19<RageRiot|>yep
17:19<RageRiot|>th menu font is that small medium large or mono ?
17:20<Eddi|zuHause>medium
17:20<@planetmaker>medium
17:20<RageRiot|>I thought so
17:20<RageRiot|>I tried setting it to 20 but it stayed the same.
17:21<RageRiot|>oh I'm using 1.4.1 RC2
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17:25<frosch123>https://wiki.openttd.org/FAQ_troubleshooting#Linux.2FMac <- there are some working examples on the wiki
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17:29<pthug>one thing i have been wondering since, like, 1995
17:30<pthug>is why there are separate bus stations and truck stops
17:30<Eddi|zuHause>because...
17:30<pthug>because???
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17:30<@planetmaker>because. ;)
17:31<@planetmaker>aka no-one knows
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17:32<pthug>goodreason
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17:33<@planetmaker>Yeah. Probably on grounds of 'realism'. Whatever that means
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17:36<Eddi|zuHause>well you could ask chris sawyer...
17:37<@planetmaker>pthug, also no-one who made the original design is around here. So... how can we know?
17:37<pthug>maybe some reason to do with coding restrictions in the original
17:38<pthug>or there is some design document somewhere i haven't heard of
17:39<Phreeze>usually a bus stop has nothing to do with some "unloading station for lorries"
17:40<Phreeze>same for trains, but the stations irl can be very long, one part for goods
17:40<@planetmaker>'coding restrictions' surely is not one of the reasons. As the current way is more complicated
17:42<Eddi|zuHause>certainly, it would be much easier if they shared one kind of station
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17:46<Eddi|zuHause>anyway, i do like the separation, except if i want to do mail service. one should rather ask, why there are no freight train stations
17:46<@planetmaker>because there are train engines which carry mail by default
17:47<@planetmaker>and that decision would have to be reversed - or they would make bad passenger engines
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17:47<@planetmaker>a very weak reason, though :)
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19:05<Wolf01>'night all
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