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03:39<@planetmaker>MTsPony, yes. But you could do the same w/o saving by simply using the rcon
03:39<@planetmaker>I think
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07:50<Eddi|zuHause>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GFW-eEWXlc
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08:09*planetmaker learnt about python's dir() method. Handy if the documentation of things are bad
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08:10<Eddi|zuHause>how did you ever use python without dir?
08:11<@planetmaker>I wonder, too :)
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11:07<Zuu_>Oh, my rented van got TTF on the license plate :-)
11:11<LordAro>:D
11:11<LordAro>o/ Zuu_
11:12<@planetmaker>o/ Zuu_ :) Long time no seen :)
11:13<Zuu_>Hello
11:13<Zuu_>It was not that long ago that I joined IRC :-)
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11:21<Zuu_>Hello Alberth
11:23<Zuu_>I started OpenTTD some days ago and saw the new adv. settings re-order. I really like the new categories.
11:23<@planetmaker>say thanks to frosch :)
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11:24<Zuu_>Thanks frosch :-)
11:24<@planetmaker>probably more effective when he's around ;)
11:24<Pikka>where'd he go?
11:24<@planetmaker>pushing power animals through the pipes
11:24<Zuu_>Oh well. :-)
11:25<@planetmaker>windy day, so much to do, I guess ;)
11:27<@Alberth>hi Zuu_ and planetmaker, indeed, /me didn't change the settings :)
11:27<@Alberth>still very busy?
11:28<Zuu_>It was just by coincident that I said hello to you just before thinking about the settings. :-)
11:31<Zuu_>The EP election accessibility survey I was doing on spare time has passed by, though Sweden goes to election again soon after summer. :-) But well, my studies of sign language is comming to an end and back to work. :-)
11:33<@Alberth>someone should invent a way to make work optional :)
11:34<Zuu_>A money printer?
11:35<Pikka>work is optional
11:35<Pikka>providing eating is also optional
11:35<@Alberth>hmm, that reduces lifespan expectations drastically
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12:02<Zuu_>Time to go with TTF ;-)
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12:19<Eddi|zuHause>you can eat perfectly well without working
12:19<Eddi|zuHause>given that you can live with minimal luxury and the government nagging you all the time
12:20<Eddi|zuHause>and that you live anywhere within "civilized" countries :p
12:21<Eddi|zuHause>http://www.salon.com/2014/06/01/help_us_thomas_piketty_the_1s_sick_and_twisted_new_scheme/ <- interesting read about how "everyone gets more and more free time" didn't happen
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12:39<@planetmaker>o/
12:46<@Alberth>hai
12:47<Taede>ello
12:48<frosch123>hola
12:50<SpComb>Mui.
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13:14<@DorpsGek>Commit by frosch :: r26629 /trunk/src (3 files in 3 dirs) (2014-06-05 17:14:16 UTC)
13:14<@DorpsGek>-Fix [FS#6012]: If the video driver fails to supply a list of resolutions, display an error message.
13:14<frosch123>planetmaker: the german translation is still unfinished :)
13:14<@planetmaker>still?
13:15<frosch123>everytime i check :p
13:16<frosch123>how to split a fs task?
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13:45<@DorpsGek>Commit by translators :: r26630 /trunk/src/lang (gaelic.txt hebrew.txt) (2014-06-05 17:45:20 UTC)
13:45<@DorpsGek>-Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<@DorpsGek>hebrew - 20 changes by oofnik
13:45<@DorpsGek>gaelic - 2 changes by GunChleoc
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14:09<@Alberth>o/
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14:16<Wolf01>hi hi
14:17<@Alberth>moin
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14:26<andythenorth>bonsoir
14:26<andythenorth>que tal?
14:28<__ln__>todo bien
14:28<__ln__>¿y usted?
14:29<andythenorth>bon
14:29<andythenorth>bueno
14:31<__ln__>vale.
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14:44<andythenorth>what is?
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14:44<andythenorth>do we make things any more? Or just read Facebook?
14:45<Wolf01>mmmh I must reformat, 85% of system resources used at boot
14:48<andythenorth>what is ‘reformat’ ?
14:48<Wolf01>re-format
14:48<Wolf01>the system drive
14:48<Wolf01>wipe the OS
14:48<andythenorth>:o
14:48<andythenorth>I have never done that
14:48<andythenorth>is it fun?
14:49<Wolf01>no, it is annoying
14:49<frosch123>you should switch to virtualisation
14:50<Wolf01>specially when you need to do that to use 4GB of installed ram
14:50<frosch123>then you can just switch back to an older snapshot
14:51<andythenorth>every 9 months I break my mac and get a new one
14:52<andythenorth>it’s a bit like reformatting
14:53<frosch123>i guess, it's just as convient as refilling a cup of coffee
14:53<andythenorth>coffee is cheaper
14:53<andythenorth>hmm
14:53<andythenorth>maybe not
14:54<frosch123>depend on whether you are really refilling the mug, or whether you get a new mug :p
14:55<@planetmaker>:P
14:55<andythenorth>the mug goes to apple and gets fixed for free
14:55<andythenorth>then someone at work gets the mug, and their mug is given to someone else
14:55<andythenorth>eventually we sell the worst mug on ebay or facebook
14:56<@planetmaker>:)
14:56<@planetmaker>do you have mac servers? :)
14:56<andythenorth>god no
14:56<andythenorth>we used to have some for fileservers
14:57<andythenorth>but now we have dropbox, and rage
14:59<andythenorth>we use these for servers now http://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/fit-pc4/
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15:08<bolemeus>Hey guys, I set up a dedicated server for openttd. I want to play city builder with a few friends. But after an hour or so a popup came up stating that a player has won. How can I set the victory conditions?
15:09<frosch123>prepare a savegame with a gui client, and check the script settings in advance
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15:12<__ln__>http://imgur.com/gallery/4nnbyru
15:14<Eddi|zuHause>shows you that teachers "cheat" to get someone just over the passing mark
15:14<Eddi|zuHause>the 100 mark might just be a statistical anomaly
15:15<frosch123>that's a problem fo the 30% definition
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15:15<frosch123>it's easier if you can set the line after checking the tests
15:16<frosch123>for everything i have seen, the tests always separate themself into groups
15:16<Eddi|zuHause>you mean like "the lowest 10% are guaranteed to fail and the upper 90% are guaranteed to pass"?
15:16<@planetmaker>lol, nice statistics, __ln__ :)
15:17<frosch123>no, like a bunch of people have 0-10 points, no one has 10-20 points, and the rest has 20-40 points
15:17<frosch123>whenever i helped reviewing tests, there was always a huge gap in the middle
15:17<frosch123>between people who had some clue, and people who has no clue
15:17<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: but you see that is clearly not the case
15:18<@planetmaker>frosch123, at university exams, probably. But for the general end-of-school exams?
15:18<frosch123>though the most interesting test i reviewed was statistics for engineers, which had an exponential distribution
15:18<Eddi|zuHause>the only thing i learned about statistics is to avoid statistics at all costs
15:19<frosch123>1/2 -> failed, 1/4 -> 4.0, 1/8 -> 3.7, 1/16 -> 3.3, 1/32 -> 3.0
15:19<@planetmaker>then you learnt it wrongly, Eddi|zuHause ;)
15:19<frosch123>statistics is important if it does not really matter what you do :)
15:20<frosch123>if an investment returns profit in 99% of cases, it is awesome
15:20<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: you mean like you have a "bullshit job" :p
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15:20<frosch123>if a nuclear power plant does not blow up in 99% of cases, uhm...
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15:20<@Alberth>the thing I learned about statistics mostly is not to trust your ideas about chances :)
15:20<@planetmaker>ha! yeah, pretty much
15:21<Pikka>exammmmmms
15:21*Pikka did my university enrolment yesterday
15:21<andythenorth>ok look
15:21<andythenorth>a pikka
15:21<Pikka>http://i.imgur.com/ym8z5od.png
15:21<@planetmaker>oi
15:21<Pikka>this is a good look
15:21<andythenorth>pikka you’re going to be a stoodent?
15:21<Pikka>oui
15:22<@planetmaker>what did you enrol for?
15:22<andythenorth>evil
15:22<andythenorth>MA
15:22<Eddi|zuHause>frosch123: in the text i linked right before you joined, the guy talks how instead of "the people get more free time" it turned into "jobs are created so that the only thing people do is create work for other people that has no effect for the outside"
15:23*Pikka doing a creative industries degree
15:23<Pikka>wot larks
15:23<Eddi|zuHause>that sounds like the exact thing you would study to get into such a "bullshit job" :p
15:23<andythenorth>how rude
15:23<frosch123>Eddi|zuHause: someone famous said in 1950s: in a few decades the average mind won't be able to produce anything that someone wants to pay for
15:24<andythenorth>clearly anticipating the GPL
15:24<andythenorth>Pikka: crayons and stuff?
15:25<Eddi|zuHause>the smallest kind of "bullshit job" is when you finished doing a task, and then have to "look busy" for the boss because your 9-5 job must last until 5
15:25<Pikka>largely
15:26<Eddi|zuHause>and then you have "middle management" where you produce "strategy papers" that have no effect on the company because nobody will act on them
15:26<frosch123>but then people learned that people having a lot of free time is rarely a good thing
15:27<Eddi|zuHause>but instead they are the basis of work for other middle management people who just circle back the work for you
15:27<andythenorth>there is some kind of deep philosophical truth here
15:27<andythenorth>or maybe somewhere else
15:27<Pikka>probably
15:27<Pikka>anyway, articulated ships?
15:28<Eddi|zuHause>one of the observations was that these "bullshit jobs" pay way more than actually productive jobs, and this is somewhat of a self-reinforcing effect
15:28<andythenorth>BAD FEATURE
15:28<Eddi|zuHause>because in the management's mindset a productive job is something people *want* to do, so they can be paid less
15:29<andythenorth>Pikka: ships are declared solved
15:29<andythenorth>by wetrail
15:29<andythenorth>because you can now build tracks on water
15:29<Eddi|zuHause>Pikka: it's definitely the wrong name
15:31<andythenorth>alcos are the bomb http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=484399&nseq=3
15:31<Pikka>alcos are a bomb
15:31<andythenorth>funny ozzy trains http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=484414&nseq=111
15:33<andythenorth>Pikka: so what do you study?
15:34<Pikka>media and communication, mostly
15:35<Pikka>I could have majored in fashion but I decided not to.
15:36<@Alberth>nice colours that last one
15:36<Eddi|zuHause>"two 12-year-olds tried to lure a girl into a forest and kill her as a sacrifice for slenderman"... that sounds like the start of a new urban myth like satanism or killer-games
15:37<Pikka>http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=480022&nseq=3 I like the long-hood look
15:37<Pikka>http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=472732&nseq=5
15:37<andythenorth>better in a crash
15:38<andythenorth>except the grain hits you on the head
15:38<Pikka>such dual gauge
15:38<andythenorth>the frame is very bent in one of those shots
15:38<andythenorth>heavy shunt?
15:39<andythenorth>something oddly mad-max about this shot, dunno what http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=480022&nseq=3
15:39<andythenorth>maybe it’s the 5 horns
15:42<Pikka>http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=361462&nseq=12 now if we're talking about style...
15:42<andythenorth>only a mother could love that
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15:44<andythenorth>I have run out of internet to read
15:46<Pikka>http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=31977&nseq=15
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15:48<@planetmaker>Pikka, that photo makes me want to adjust the colours properly
15:49<@planetmaker>or rather the brightness / exposure
15:49<andythenorth>hmm
15:49<Pikka>it's a bit over-exposed
15:49*andythenorth needs to do a Brisvegas roster for Iron Horse
15:49<Pikka>the colours probably aren't that far out though, our greenery isn't always very green
15:50<Pikka>"realistic" QR, andythenorth?
15:50<Pikka>50mph for ever and ever? :)
15:50<andythenorth>XPT
15:50<andythenorth>the slow high speed train
15:51<Pikka>I've ridden the XPT from brisbane to sydney
15:51<Pikka>I wouldn't do it again
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15:53<andythenorth>should I play the game?
15:53<andythenorth>I’m bored of ships that only have one cargo though
15:54<@Rubidium>good afternoon andythenorth!
15:54<@Rubidium>I propose cargoless ships
15:55<andythenorth>that, I can do
15:55<Pikka>ships which randomise cargo capacity every time they unload
15:55<andythenorth>light ship? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Calshot_Spit_Lightship.jpg
15:56<@planetmaker>andythenorth, maybe you should make a NewObjects grf. With all that stuff which cannot be properly put to use but just makes for a nice landscape :)
15:56<andythenorth>like HEQS :P
15:56<@planetmaker>well... :P More extreme :)
15:57<andythenorth>bulldozer object
15:58<@planetmaker>no. But a signaling ship. Stonehenge, Skara Brae, Dunes, Oasis,...
15:59<@planetmaker>A lake with a rowing boat
15:59<@planetmaker>that stuff ;)
15:59<@planetmaker>a half-rotten dark-age church
15:59<@planetmaker>ghost-haunted villa
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16:00<@planetmaker>oh. And some fjords for me, please. I'm short in supply
16:05<NGC982>That ship.
16:06<Pikka>there's a lightship in the dry dock at the maritime museum here. it sank in the floods a few years back.
16:07<Pikka>http://www.lightphotos.net/photos/albums/userpics/10110/Carpentaria_3.jpg
16:07<@planetmaker>http://www.elbe3.org/start_en.html <-- probably the most famous German one
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16:09<@planetmaker>or one of them. And looking at the sea charts, the path through the German Bay into the river Elbe is a treacherous path indeed. Not much way for going of course and staying afloat
16:09<frosch123>i like how "vsync" is the new thing for display
16:10<frosch123>it's like it's 1984 again :)
16:10<andythenorth>noisy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuW6X3SP_YE
16:11<@planetmaker>http://www.isn-oldenburg.de/~hilf/vortraege/rostock04/fotos/deutschebucht.jpg
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16:11<frosch123>when is the football championship over?
16:11<frosch123>the adverisement annoys me
16:13<@planetmaker>it isn't even started, frosch123 ;)
16:13<@planetmaker>I think end of month or so
16:14<@Rubidium>isn't the Qatar one already over?
16:14<Pikka>yes
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16:18<Pikka>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoUiYYweimc
16:19<Pikka>openttd needs more flange squeal
16:22<frosch123>what are those open wagons after the passenger coaches?
16:22<frosch123>can every passenger bring a horse a kangaroo?
16:22<Pikka>yes
16:23<Pikka>maryborough is where the walkers/EDI factory is, this is a new unit being put on a ship over to perth
16:23<@planetmaker>lol. That looks like a Ferrari pulled by a horse :)
16:23<@planetmaker>and that in turn pulling a farm carriage
16:25<Pikka>ah, you see at the end of the video
16:25<Pikka>the wagons on the back have the power bogies in
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16:39<andythenorth>Pikka: nice that they still have loco-hauled trains :P
16:56<andythenorth>also
16:56<andythenorth>ships
16:56<andythenorth>with more than one cargo
16:56<andythenorth>why aren’t you developers adding them for me?
17:00<Supercheese>dooo eeeet
17:03<Pikka>planes 'n all
17:06<Wolf01>'night
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17:13<andythenorth>bye
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19:10<mist>If a city is angry (red), and i don't do anything about it for an extended period of time. Is it impossible to make them like me again?
19:12<mist>buying trees does not seem to be helping
19:12<NGC982>mist: http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Local_authority_rating
19:12<NGC982>"Rating goes up by 5 if it is less than 200. "
19:12<NGC982>Happy waiting!
19:14<mist>where do i see the rating?
19:15<NGC982>You don't.
19:15<mist>lol
19:15<NGC982>It's roughly translated into the colored tick, and the "Bad", "Good", etc.
19:15<mist>"atrocious"
19:16<NGC982>\o/
19:16<NGC982>Kill the trees
19:16<NGC982>And re-plant them.
19:18<mist>that srsly works?
19:23<mist>I had a subsidy to get mailservice into a town. I did, but there was no square that accepted mail, just supplied it. Then it stopped supplying aswell so I figured I'd build a new station a few squares away, like the old one. Then that one stopped aswell and now they hate me...
19:24<mist>so yeah, wiki says that gives me -30+10 each month=never gonna happen
19:28<mist>and they wont let me remove the truck station
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20:53<mist>NGC982: if i want to leave someone at a station and pick up another, what do i need to set the orders to on that station?
20:55<Eddi|zuHause>you can't do that
20:55<Eddi|zuHause>you'll load the same person again
20:55<Eddi|zuHause>enable cargo distribution if you want the person to have an opinion on where to go
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20:57<mist>perhaps i was a bit unclear
20:57<mist>i want to leave grain at a station and pick up coal
20:58<mist>but when i try to do this and there is still grain on the station, i will start picking it up again
20:58<Eddi|zuHause>yes. you cannot leave the grain
20:58<Eddi|zuHause>or you cannot pick up coal
20:58<Eddi|zuHause>you cannot do both
20:59<Eddi|zuHause>unless you use cargodist
20:59<mist>what is cargodist? =X
21:00<mist>okay i googled it
21:00<mist>holy shit
21:00<mist>=(
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21:13<mist>ok so i'm using 2 trains instead
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